@kizzyfur : lazy... want a vocabulary test. No... some areas of language need repair, some don't. Language is changing all the time. Some people abdicate their role in that... that is their problem.
When you refer to irony being "used in this way" are you referring to the sort of comment I hear all the time, like bad weather on the day you chose to do an activity, being ironic?
@kizzyfur : sorry I got so touchy... with old vids you deal with drive bys and sometimes a hair trigger... usually I at least watch the vid first.
Here's the low down... people can overtake word. In the case of irony it sucks. Please believe me I love the true meaning of irony, and indeed, that meaning cannot go away, there is no other term. The irony of something which is true but not in the way intended, and in reality, a garden of subtle types of ideas... so that suck this use ...
@pyrrho314 ... I mean, the use of "irony" as "unexpected" does indeed suck and we are losing a decent term...
OTOH, "begs the question" has a stupid meaning and there are better terms (circular reasoning)... while the phrase itself naturally means "brings the following question to the foreground"...
but in the end, people are the holders of language and eventually you have to give to it, no?
English is a bastard language, like any living language. A meaning of a word can change with influx of new population, etc... It can also take on multiple meanings. When reading older literature its good to be aware of the older definitions. The wrong definition of a noun can change the whole meaning of the sentence, for example.
sorry! I forgot to suggest that you read "Boomeritis" to understand the roots and inconveniences of the aversion to all kinds of hierarchy in our days.
The meaning of some words change like a Hippies clothes, they usually hang around until that chap or generation dies and then it goes away. Or sometimes gets a run a generation or two later just for giggles, but it doesn't last. Other words like cat donkey and vagina, they transcend the ages..like jeans or a string bikini..
So what you're suggesting is if enough people are completely misusing a word, then the solution is to alter the meaning of the word?
Wow, Lets make it fit what you think it means, because you were to lazy to learn what it actually means.
kizzyfur 8 months ago
@kizzyfur : lazy... want a vocabulary test. No... some areas of language need repair, some don't. Language is changing all the time. Some people abdicate their role in that... that is their problem.
pyrrho314 8 months ago
@pyrrho314 I wasn't referring to YOU personally.
When you refer to irony being "used in this way" are you referring to the sort of comment I hear all the time, like bad weather on the day you chose to do an activity, being ironic?
Or is there another common use that I'm missing?
I'm also sure I would lose a vocabulary test.
kizzyfur 8 months ago
@kizzyfur : sorry I got so touchy... with old vids you deal with drive bys and sometimes a hair trigger... usually I at least watch the vid first.
Here's the low down... people can overtake word. In the case of irony it sucks. Please believe me I love the true meaning of irony, and indeed, that meaning cannot go away, there is no other term. The irony of something which is true but not in the way intended, and in reality, a garden of subtle types of ideas... so that suck this use ...
pyrrho314 8 months ago
@pyrrho314 ... I mean, the use of "irony" as "unexpected" does indeed suck and we are losing a decent term...
OTOH, "begs the question" has a stupid meaning and there are better terms (circular reasoning)... while the phrase itself naturally means "brings the following question to the foreground"...
but in the end, people are the holders of language and eventually you have to give to it, no?
pyrrho314 8 months ago
@kizzyfur lol, I hadn't rewatched the video... who are you to say who's misusing a word? You vs the rest of people? Maybe it means what it conveys...
pyrrho314 8 months ago
You're right. But isn't it also necessary to resist language mutation to a degree just to keep it from progressing too quickly?
BombdePlume 2 years ago
English is a bastard language, like any living language. A meaning of a word can change with influx of new population, etc... It can also take on multiple meanings. When reading older literature its good to be aware of the older definitions. The wrong definition of a noun can change the whole meaning of the sentence, for example.
Cherri59 4 years ago
news to me
pyrrho314 4 years ago
what? is this just your meds kicking in or something? were you posting in reply to another video?
pyrrho314 4 years ago
sorry! I forgot to suggest that you read "Boomeritis" to understand the roots and inconveniences of the aversion to all kinds of hierarchy in our days.
HotForNumbers 4 years ago
thanks! hierarchy is an important topic to me.
I believe hierarchies have a place in data structuring... just not for power distribution... too centralized and prone to corruption by choke point.
pyrrho314 4 years ago
Hae, pyrrho314:
Wen u tak avout "wi" y "us" who ru xcludin?
HotForNumbers 4 years ago
yup, you're right!
gmiezis 4 years ago
pyrrho314 i agree with you
tetranoob 4 years ago
The meaning of some words change like a Hippies clothes, they usually hang around until that chap or generation dies and then it goes away. Or sometimes gets a run a generation or two later just for giggles, but it doesn't last. Other words like cat donkey and vagina, they transcend the ages..like jeans or a string bikini..
NIN3LIVES 4 years ago
Good point. As an English teacher, your observation that language changes is accurate.
actiscenei 4 years ago