My family I were in the Mcdonalds in the next town to where we live in western NC ,when 2 Amish family's came in.....My son Adam noticed they were dressed in black,and there were 38 to 40 of them.Adam whispered in my ear,what are they...I smiled and said the future..The Amish have bigger family's than the Mormons...About a third of Amish,leave the group and become part of other Christian community's ... That's good for us....Oh I have 7 sons,ages23,20,18,17,15,and twins through IVF ages 3...
@TheChristianRight09 America's population is growing in the same way Britain's population is growing - because of immigration and the higher birth rate of recent immigrants. The only difference is that most of your immigrants are Spanish-speaking Catholics rather than mostly Muslims. The birth rate of whites whose families have been in America since before 1970 is higher than that of white Britons, because of religion's fertility-boosting effect, but it is still below replacement level.
@MartinJWillett look deeper,it is true new England and California's native birth rates are similar to western Europe...Can you tell me what state and group in that state has the highest birthrate in the USA...
Birthrates in among white Evangelicals in the southern USA range between 3 and 4...
When Europe was a Christian continent,it dominated the world...Now Europe is post Christian the demographics are sealing Europe's fate... Once tiny Muslim minority's in Europe are growing into a majority in the decades ahead..
What especially resonates with me is regarding the "native Americans". They definitely had a hard time/were treated unfairly in the past, but its more than time for them to stop holding a grudge for what our grand-grand-grand-grand-fathers have done and stop making life a living hell for any actually tax paying, useful, contributing members of society...
You mentioned Croatia which was ruled by the Hapsburg as a border province for the longest time, the Turks didn't rule it long enough for a lasting collective trauma to be remembered in its people like it did south of Croatia.
Have you read 'Declaration of Independence'? "WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". The notions of 'Equality before the law' and 'rights of man' have roots in christianity. Individualism is on the other hand greek idea, but christianity intercept it along with platonism and aristotelism.
@mardastheEitheist I don't agree. Only in countries which have had a history of Christianity is there a culture of individual responsibility and none of them have come up with the idea of the sanctity of human life and human rights or sought to abolish slavery and serfdom. Look at Japan, they've got a lot of the pieces of the puzzle but it is not quite right. Without Christianity there would not have been the western conception of the soul, which led to the self. In the East it's all screwy.
Nice speech and insightful. One point though....are you not thanking Christianity for something that rightly belongs to Platonism. Christianity does not hold a single original idea or ideology. It is a rehash of diverse philosophy, misunderstood and twisted beyond recognition; an evolutionary monstrosity.
Not that I hold any thanks to Platonism. We would be better off without it . Dividing reality into two alternate realities, carnal and spiritual, natural and supernatural.
@prakkari No I'm not. It was Christianity which spread the ideas, it is spreading and using ideas which matters. The ancient Greeks had played with steam too but they didn't drain a mine with a steam engine or build a locomotive. Having an idea is not what counts, Christianity ensured that a whole continent absorbed and built upon a mix of ideas, many of those ideas have shaped our post-Christian world.
I agree that Atheist is not the opposite of homophobic. BUT, I'm having a problem with the statement "You can be homosexual and Christian".
The bible, whether you like it or not, includes extremely clear passages forbidding homosexuality entirely.
You have to make a choice - either it's the perfect word of god, and you have to fix yourself, OR it's barbaric outdated nonsense...in that case, how can you call yourself a believer if you deny the very basics? The holiness of the book?
@ikisdragonfist They manage it somehow, gay priests and bishops too. I understand at some seminaries heterosexuals feel like a minority. I don't even try to follow their mind-fuck doublethink.
The best thing European Christians ever did was leave Europe and come to the United States of America. The best thing Europes Christians could do today is stand united against islamofascism.
@FreedomRegime The best thing Europe's christians do today is become agnostic/skeptic/atheist. Over 80 percent of scandinavia is agnostic/non-jesus following.
I was just thinking about how I was glad the pagans came to america and actually made women's rights a little bit better by letting them be albe to read, but they were religious and most believed in witches. Glad they came, but they are out of date.
It seems now its not a Human Rights crime to execute LGBT in Islamic lands which has received a nod of approval in Europe, from the UN no less, Just google "UN LGBT" to see what I mean. Absolutely outrageous that this could even be an issue in civilized society.
as a BI male i hate when homosexuals/bisexuals get in to this idea that the world is against them and somehow their lives are harder than everyone elses or that they are some kind of special case that have the right to moan and whine about everything anti-homosexual, or that homosexuals have to stick together, bah, i hate gay pride parades and awearness, its just a sexuality damnit.
@evilyakko Quite I agree with you with everything there, why some people feel the need to go out in the streets and 'celebrate' it is beyond me, most people just get on with their lives and mind their own business. Other people's sexuality for me is not an issue, therefore I do not appreciate anyone having to make references to theirs in every discussion we might be having. But hey subcultures mean big business.
@evilyakko To be fair there are some places where that is true but increasingly across much of the western world there's more of a problem being ginger than homosexual.
Of course I'm not homophobic, my mother is bisexual, at least most of the women she's slept with over the years appear to be lesbians so I kind of assume she probably is. She doesn't talk about lesbianism and I don't talk about atheism - it's a kind of don't ask don't tell policy.
@evilyakko I agree with you that the gay pride nonsense goes too far. Being gay is okay, now stop fucking rubbing it in my face and going around the streets nearly naked. We don't want our children exposed to this gay pride nonsense because the more gay pride a person has, the more they look like a lunatic and the more they set themselves to be shot down as lunatics by the christian fundies.
@SeeProfileForDetails i know what you mean, it wouldnt be appropriate for straight people to flaunt their sexuality in the same way, though i beleive that gay people should be able to express themselves in the same way straight people do, so if they want to hold hands in public, fine, or it they want to kiss ok.. but dont go mad... most people feel uncomfortable when straight people are snogging eachothers face off in public..
Atheists need to remember that while Western Values are not a product of Christianity; Christianity IS a product of Western Values and has evolved parralel with Western Values.
@SeeProfileForDetails "i wonder why our legal and law system is created by humans and not by Jesus."
My Congressman is human and not "Jesus"; my two Senators are both human and neither is "Jesus". My President is very human and not "Jesus Christ" though some people have trouble with this point. They help the other Congresspersons and Senators make the laws. That's why.
"Where is the morals in the law, if it is not guided by Jesus?"
The law is guided by the people who want moral laws.
Do you think if the UK had a clear cut written constitution like America , it would be easier to defend the separation of state and church ? I'm also thinking that it would be beneficial for immigrants to agree with said constitution before making the UK their home ,just an idea .
@sausage4mash There is no separation of church and state in Britain, the queen is the head of state and the head of the Church of England, the state church, and worship in schools is compulsory. That probably explains why Christianity in Britain is in such a pathetic state.
Of course immigrants should be required to sign up for and actively demonstrate loyalty to the constitution and the country's values - all countries should do that. It is utter madness to let people in who hate our values.
@sausage4mash The problem with that idea is there is no magic. The US constitution works because you conspire with each other to believe it was written by demigods after a holy struggle. It was not written by fucking politicians.
How are we going to find demigods to write a constitution? All we have are fucking politicians, not hero statesmen nation-builders. If we have another big war yes we should write a constitution, but otherwise there's no difference between this government and the next.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I think the majority of British people would agree with the above ,so put it to the people 70% agree then it's ratified and so on .
But when you think about it, if the holocaust had not happened, the world in which we currently live would not exist.
The precident for the rejection of anti-semitism as evil might not have come about and a quieter more sinister agenda might have sprung up. Perhaps one far more successful than Hitler's holocaust?
The thing Martin's getting at is, if things hadn't happened as they had, things might well be different.
@Xerotaerg For anybody born after about 1955 it is probably true to say that you wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the holocaust, your parents might still have met, but there's a good chance that their lives would be significantly different enough, in the most minor ways, to ensure that your mother would not conceive you but would conceive at a different time.
Greece,Serbia,Bulgaria,Romania,Hungary,they all fought against islamization by the turkish ottomans.but some,like the Serbians,remained loyal to the ottomans after they were defeated.if only the west would have sent help,we could now have a muslim free zone in Europe.maybe there wouldn't had to be a reason for the dissolution of Yugoslavia
@Torcika Oh shut up, what makes you think that the Balkan Muslims are threatening, most Bosniacs are barely Muslim and quite liberal and the Albanians are even less Muslims then they are, most of the latter are atheists. The dissolution of Yugoslavia has FA to do with religion.
@Torcika Yes I have, they are Muslims in culture only, otherwise most of them have a European mentality. Ironically I happen to know more Roman Catholic Albanians than Muslim ones. Yes I know how many of them make money as well.
I look at the Greek and Roman periods and -despite their imperfections- I wonder whether Christianity has really helped us. think about it, there were wastewater pipes and aqueducts here, and once Christianity took over, people would ignore these things or no longer understand them as if they were chimpanzees. There's a chance that a shift from Epicur to Enlightenment would have saved us a detour of 1.000 years. And the foundations for Islam, btw.
@grebrim Of course if it wasn't for Christianity we would almost certainly have had material and scientific progress starting much earlier but I'm not so confident that we would have had a culture which respected life and the individual in the way we do today.
You wouldn't exist of course, if history changed even 0.00001% as much as that over a thousand years the ripples (and ripples of ripple's ripples) would ensure that nobody was the same person, even in the most isolated peasant community.
@MartinJWillett To your last point, that is technically right, but it shouldn't lead us to praising the mongols for raping our ancestors, as that's beside the point.
I'm just not sure whether you can equate individualism with Christianity. When it was ruling, people were the physical property to noblemen and psychic property of the clergy. Both could do with you whatever they saw fit, and believe me, they would. The justification...
@grebrim for that came from Jesus' telling people to turn the other cheek and Romans 1., in which Paul says that all earthly power comes from God and that insurrections are therefore blasphemy Individualism came with Renaissance and Enlightenment, imho.
And just for the record: Jerusalem had never been a Christian city, the reason for this "reconquest" was utter religious zeal, fired by the divinely ordered extinction in the Old Testament.
@grebrim He is not exactly praising them, he said Christianity was one of the factors that led to our present values today. Whether one likes it or not, it is undeniable that Christian values had a fundamental impact on our culture and that it has also influenced the way we think. Christian values eventually gave rise to individualism. Jerusalem did have a Christian majority during the hey day of the Byzantine Roman empire.
You have always such an elegant style to say things - no matter what the issue is... did you know that my cousin (APH0risma) was suspended (for a month) because she made a funny video on the Pope's secret on the abusive priest conundrum? She is a Catholic and she has the right to say what she thinks - of course it's the same old groupies (bible thumber) that stalk her since the evolution of the internet!!
My family I were in the Mcdonalds in the next town to where we live in western NC ,when 2 Amish family's came in.....My son Adam noticed they were dressed in black,and there were 38 to 40 of them.Adam whispered in my ear,what are they...I smiled and said the future..The Amish have bigger family's than the Mormons...About a third of Amish,leave the group and become part of other Christian community's ... That's good for us....Oh I have 7 sons,ages23,20,18,17,15,and twins through IVF ages 3...
TheChristianRight09 6 months ago
Americas native population is growing,as Europe's collapses...
It is what it is..
TheChristianRight09 6 months ago
@TheChristianRight09 America's population is growing in the same way Britain's population is growing - because of immigration and the higher birth rate of recent immigrants. The only difference is that most of your immigrants are Spanish-speaking Catholics rather than mostly Muslims. The birth rate of whites whose families have been in America since before 1970 is higher than that of white Britons, because of religion's fertility-boosting effect, but it is still below replacement level.
MartinJWillett 6 months ago
@MartinJWillett look deeper,it is true new England and California's native birth rates are similar to western Europe...Can you tell me what state and group in that state has the highest birthrate in the USA...
Birthrates in among white Evangelicals in the southern USA range between 3 and 4...
TheChristianRight09 6 months ago
When Europe was a Christian continent,it dominated the world...Now Europe is post Christian the demographics are sealing Europe's fate... Once tiny Muslim minority's in Europe are growing into a majority in the decades ahead..
TheChristianRight09 6 months ago
Post Christian Europe yes,Christianity is alive and well in the USA....
TheChristianRight09 6 months ago
Brilliant!
What especially resonates with me is regarding the "native Americans". They definitely had a hard time/were treated unfairly in the past, but its more than time for them to stop holding a grudge for what our grand-grand-grand-grand-fathers have done and stop making life a living hell for any actually tax paying, useful, contributing members of society...
Please keep-up your most excellent work.
toulouse666 7 months ago
You mentioned Croatia which was ruled by the Hapsburg as a border province for the longest time, the Turks didn't rule it long enough for a lasting collective trauma to be remembered in its people like it did south of Croatia.
Obasiliasfilosofos 1 year ago
@Obasiliasfilosofos That seems reasonable.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@mardastheEitheist & @MartinJWillett
Have you read 'Declaration of Independence'? "WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". The notions of 'Equality before the law' and 'rights of man' have roots in christianity. Individualism is on the other hand greek idea, but christianity intercept it along with platonism and aristotelism.
maciejzbylut 1 year ago
@mardastheEitheist It is a matter of opinion. That is a fact.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@mardastheEitheist The phrase is "I disagree" not "that's false".
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@mardastheEitheist I don't agree. Only in countries which have had a history of Christianity is there a culture of individual responsibility and none of them have come up with the idea of the sanctity of human life and human rights or sought to abolish slavery and serfdom. Look at Japan, they've got a lot of the pieces of the puzzle but it is not quite right. Without Christianity there would not have been the western conception of the soul, which led to the self. In the East it's all screwy.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
Nice speech and insightful. One point though....are you not thanking Christianity for something that rightly belongs to Platonism. Christianity does not hold a single original idea or ideology. It is a rehash of diverse philosophy, misunderstood and twisted beyond recognition; an evolutionary monstrosity.
Not that I hold any thanks to Platonism. We would be better off without it . Dividing reality into two alternate realities, carnal and spiritual, natural and supernatural.
prakkari 1 year ago
@prakkari No I'm not. It was Christianity which spread the ideas, it is spreading and using ideas which matters. The ancient Greeks had played with steam too but they didn't drain a mine with a steam engine or build a locomotive. Having an idea is not what counts, Christianity ensured that a whole continent absorbed and built upon a mix of ideas, many of those ideas have shaped our post-Christian world.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
I agree that Atheist is not the opposite of homophobic. BUT, I'm having a problem with the statement "You can be homosexual and Christian".
The bible, whether you like it or not, includes extremely clear passages forbidding homosexuality entirely.
You have to make a choice - either it's the perfect word of god, and you have to fix yourself, OR it's barbaric outdated nonsense...in that case, how can you call yourself a believer if you deny the very basics? The holiness of the book?
ikisdragonfist 1 year ago
@ikisdragonfist They manage it somehow, gay priests and bishops too. I understand at some seminaries heterosexuals feel like a minority. I don't even try to follow their mind-fuck doublethink.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
Agreed, that was a very hard lesson for me to learn.
Nilsy1975 1 year ago
The best thing European Christians ever did was leave Europe and come to the United States of America. The best thing Europes Christians could do today is stand united against islamofascism.
FreedomRegime 1 year ago
@FreedomRegime The best thing Europe's christians do today is become agnostic/skeptic/atheist. Over 80 percent of scandinavia is agnostic/non-jesus following.
SeeProfileForDetails 1 year ago
Spot on Martin, excellent message.
FreindlyRanger 1 year ago 2
I was just thinking about how I was glad the pagans came to america and actually made women's rights a little bit better by letting them be albe to read, but they were religious and most believed in witches. Glad they came, but they are out of date.
Aresftfun 1 year ago
exelent video
zodiakranch 1 year ago
Here! Here! Martin.
It seems now its not a Human Rights crime to execute LGBT in Islamic lands which has received a nod of approval in Europe, from the UN no less, Just google "UN LGBT" to see what I mean. Absolutely outrageous that this could even be an issue in civilized society.
123backinyerface 1 year ago
I've reached precisely the same conclusions as you have so eloquently articulated here. Well said friend. Well said.
mydogbanjo 1 year ago
i really enjoyed the fact that this is not bias for either spectrum. although i hate Christianity, its nice that it can be fair
jinkz221 1 year ago
Christianity is not a religion, it's a series of religions.
beyondbeyondness 1 year ago 2
"Atheism is NOT the opposite of homosexual"
as a BI male i hate when homosexuals/bisexuals get in to this idea that the world is against them and somehow their lives are harder than everyone elses or that they are some kind of special case that have the right to moan and whine about everything anti-homosexual, or that homosexuals have to stick together, bah, i hate gay pride parades and awearness, its just a sexuality damnit.
evilyakko 1 year ago 2
@evilyakko sorry, i meant homophobic
Im not all here..
evilyakko 1 year ago
@evilyakko Quite I agree with you with everything there, why some people feel the need to go out in the streets and 'celebrate' it is beyond me, most people just get on with their lives and mind their own business. Other people's sexuality for me is not an issue, therefore I do not appreciate anyone having to make references to theirs in every discussion we might be having. But hey subcultures mean big business.
joseffritzlismydaddy 1 year ago
@evilyakko don't get me wrong though, I'm not opposed to LGBT ensuring that they don't get discriminated against.
joseffritzlismydaddy 1 year ago
@evilyakko To be fair there are some places where that is true but increasingly across much of the western world there's more of a problem being ginger than homosexual.
Of course I'm not homophobic, my mother is bisexual, at least most of the women she's slept with over the years appear to be lesbians so I kind of assume she probably is. She doesn't talk about lesbianism and I don't talk about atheism - it's a kind of don't ask don't tell policy.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@evilyakko I agree with you that the gay pride nonsense goes too far. Being gay is okay, now stop fucking rubbing it in my face and going around the streets nearly naked. We don't want our children exposed to this gay pride nonsense because the more gay pride a person has, the more they look like a lunatic and the more they set themselves to be shot down as lunatics by the christian fundies.
SeeProfileForDetails 1 year ago
@SeeProfileForDetails i know what you mean, it wouldnt be appropriate for straight people to flaunt their sexuality in the same way, though i beleive that gay people should be able to express themselves in the same way straight people do, so if they want to hold hands in public, fine, or it they want to kiss ok.. but dont go mad... most people feel uncomfortable when straight people are snogging eachothers face off in public..
evilyakko 1 year ago
This is a video is thought provoking.
JulianThePhilosopher 1 year ago
Atheists need to remember that while Western Values are not a product of Christianity; Christianity IS a product of Western Values and has evolved parralel with Western Values.
mjh012363 1 year ago 2
@mjh012363 Excellent point, so have European Judaic values, but that's another video. Stay tuned.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago 2
@mjh012363 i wonder why our legal and law system is created by humans and not by Jesus. Where is the morals in the law, if it is not guided by Jesus?
SeeProfileForDetails 1 year ago
@SeeProfileForDetails "i wonder why our legal and law system is created by humans and not by Jesus."
My Congressman is human and not "Jesus"; my two Senators are both human and neither is "Jesus". My President is very human and not "Jesus Christ" though some people have trouble with this point. They help the other Congresspersons and Senators make the laws. That's why.
"Where is the morals in the law, if it is not guided by Jesus?"
The law is guided by the people who want moral laws.
mjh012363 1 year ago
Do you think if the UK had a clear cut written constitution like America , it would be easier to defend the separation of state and church ? I'm also thinking that it would be beneficial for immigrants to agree with said constitution before making the UK their home ,just an idea .
sausage4mash 1 year ago
@sausage4mash There is no separation of church and state in Britain, the queen is the head of state and the head of the Church of England, the state church, and worship in schools is compulsory. That probably explains why Christianity in Britain is in such a pathetic state.
Of course immigrants should be required to sign up for and actively demonstrate loyalty to the constitution and the country's values - all countries should do that. It is utter madness to let people in who hate our values.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@MartinJWillett So get shot of the monarchy and write up a written constitution comparable to that of the states ,I'd be in favor of that
sausage4mash 1 year ago
@sausage4mash The problem with that idea is there is no magic. The US constitution works because you conspire with each other to believe it was written by demigods after a holy struggle. It was not written by fucking politicians.
How are we going to find demigods to write a constitution? All we have are fucking politicians, not hero statesmen nation-builders. If we have another big war yes we should write a constitution, but otherwise there's no difference between this government and the next.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@sausage4mash Sorry, you're not a septic, are you? I hope you weren't offended. ;-)
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@MartinJWillett Well fair point ,but ... say:Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I think the majority of British people would agree with the above ,so put it to the people 70% agree then it's ratified and so on .
BTW never been offended in my life
sausage4mash 1 year ago
@Xerotaerg Interesting perspective.
But when you think about it, if the holocaust had not happened, the world in which we currently live would not exist.
The precident for the rejection of anti-semitism as evil might not have come about and a quieter more sinister agenda might have sprung up. Perhaps one far more successful than Hitler's holocaust?
The thing Martin's getting at is, if things hadn't happened as they had, things might well be different.
As likely as not, that means *worse*.
Pyramidhead1337 1 year ago
@Xerotaerg For anybody born after about 1955 it is probably true to say that you wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the holocaust, your parents might still have met, but there's a good chance that their lives would be significantly different enough, in the most minor ways, to ensure that your mother would not conceive you but would conceive at a different time.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
Greece,Serbia,Bulgaria,Romania,Hungary,they all fought against islamization by the turkish ottomans.but some,like the Serbians,remained loyal to the ottomans after they were defeated.if only the west would have sent help,we could now have a muslim free zone in Europe.maybe there wouldn't had to be a reason for the dissolution of Yugoslavia
Torcika 1 year ago
@Torcika Oh shut up, what makes you think that the Balkan Muslims are threatening, most Bosniacs are barely Muslim and quite liberal and the Albanians are even less Muslims then they are, most of the latter are atheists. The dissolution of Yugoslavia has FA to do with religion.
joseffritzlismydaddy 1 year ago
@joseffritzlismydaddy *less muslim
joseffritzlismydaddy 1 year ago
@joseffritzlismydaddy have you ever met an albanian or a bosniac???do you know what they do in the EU,with what they make their money?
Torcika 1 year ago
@Torcika Yes I have, they are Muslims in culture only, otherwise most of them have a European mentality. Ironically I happen to know more Roman Catholic Albanians than Muslim ones. Yes I know how many of them make money as well.
joseffritzlismydaddy 1 year ago
I look at the Greek and Roman periods and -despite their imperfections- I wonder whether Christianity has really helped us. think about it, there were wastewater pipes and aqueducts here, and once Christianity took over, people would ignore these things or no longer understand them as if they were chimpanzees. There's a chance that a shift from Epicur to Enlightenment would have saved us a detour of 1.000 years. And the foundations for Islam, btw.
grebrim 1 year ago 2
@grebrim Of course if it wasn't for Christianity we would almost certainly have had material and scientific progress starting much earlier but I'm not so confident that we would have had a culture which respected life and the individual in the way we do today.
You wouldn't exist of course, if history changed even 0.00001% as much as that over a thousand years the ripples (and ripples of ripple's ripples) would ensure that nobody was the same person, even in the most isolated peasant community.
MartinJWillett 1 year ago
@MartinJWillett To your last point, that is technically right, but it shouldn't lead us to praising the mongols for raping our ancestors, as that's beside the point.
I'm just not sure whether you can equate individualism with Christianity. When it was ruling, people were the physical property to noblemen and psychic property of the clergy. Both could do with you whatever they saw fit, and believe me, they would. The justification...
grebrim 1 year ago
@grebrim for that came from Jesus' telling people to turn the other cheek and Romans 1., in which Paul says that all earthly power comes from God and that insurrections are therefore blasphemy Individualism came with Renaissance and Enlightenment, imho.
And just for the record: Jerusalem had never been a Christian city, the reason for this "reconquest" was utter religious zeal, fired by the divinely ordered extinction in the Old Testament.
grebrim 1 year ago
@grebrim He is not exactly praising them, he said Christianity was one of the factors that led to our present values today. Whether one likes it or not, it is undeniable that Christian values had a fundamental impact on our culture and that it has also influenced the way we think. Christian values eventually gave rise to individualism. Jerusalem did have a Christian majority during the hey day of the Byzantine Roman empire.
joseffritzlismydaddy 1 year ago
You have always such an elegant style to say things - no matter what the issue is... did you know that my cousin (APH0risma) was suspended (for a month) because she made a funny video on the Pope's secret on the abusive priest conundrum? She is a Catholic and she has the right to say what she thinks - of course it's the same old groupies (bible thumber) that stalk her since the evolution of the internet!!
Dedorru 1 year ago