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Well, i for one would like to know if terrorists are going to kill me. And if it takes pouring some water on someone in order to scare them , then so be it. And to the opponents to that: What should we use instead? Harsh language?
Avoid ALL '08 candidates other than Ron Paul. He is the ONLY one to restore our nation, look at records and promises, the real battle of the new world order against us through political, economic, educational, and media corruption - all headed by similar groups of organized crime cartels. Ron Paul is the ONLY chance at change in all policies both foreign and domestic. Research. America is designed to be the new Nazi Germany.
Just so I get my two cents worth is my last straw with the LDS CHurch is this DICK Cheney thing
Dick Cheney represents Illegal War, Killing innocents then profiteering of it. Dick Cheney is anti american .ANd If you think He cares about religion you need to get your head checked
You know the Republicans are in trouble when students at BYU protest one of the leaders of that party. BYU is not a center of liberalism like UC Berkeley. Well this White House has made their bed and it's time to sleep in it. The LDS church claims no political slant but since they fund BYU and had this rediculous "protest" area and then even edit what the protesters can say well so much for "free speech" and "non-partisan" from the university and the church.
Hey did the campus republicans have any volunteers for the marine corps or army infantry there? If people are SOOO supportive of the VP and his policies then they should put their money where the mouth is and enlist! Otherwise they should shut their mouths.
No, never claimed she was coming to BYU - only pointing out the gross hypocrisy which is so prevalent on the Left in this country! That is why I laugh when they make unsubstiantive accusations of "unethical" behavior - the Left, and the DNC in particular, are the most unprincipled lot - William Jefferson....Nancy Pelosi...now Dianne Feinstein! They're all crooks.
Since this idiotic BYU student is so concerned about alleged unethics, where is the protest of Sen. Dianne Feinstein who headed the Military Construction, Veterans Affairs, and Related Agencies Subcommittee, oversaw $1.5 Billion that went to her husband's companies URS of San Francisco and the Perini Corporation of Framingham, Mass. If this weren't enough, she left her subcomittee at the same time her husband sold his stake in both companies.
If the students weren't happy with the VP coming to talk at their ceremony, then why even walk or graduate? Transfer somewhere else... Crazies. I wonder if any of them were thinking "What would Jesus do?" or "Love one another" Cheney wasn't going there to make a political statement or anything. He's still a child of God.
Actually torture does work, if used under the right circumstances in the right way. A terrorists idea of martyrdom is not being tortured in a secluded cell, and that is why they will give up important information when tortured. Were talking about water boarding here too, nothing extreme. Would you refuse to water board a terrorist who had a bomb tied to your mother?
p.s. being tortured has nothing to do with being afraid to die....but by your immature name calling, I wouldn't expect you to be intelligent enough to comprehend that....
9 out of 10 BYU protesters are completely oblivious to any real facts concerning Cheney, and the rest of them are just seeking attention and reinforcing the "naive BYU student" stereotype.
What a moron. As a BYU-grad, I am embarrassed. First, Cheney resigned from Halliburton (including stock-options) before joining the white house precisely to avoid such accusations of ethics. Second, terrorists - or those who purposefully seek out civilians and fail to wear uniforms - ARE NOT protected under the Geneva Conventions. That poor BYU Democrat needs to do some more reading!
Embarrassing to see twits like this represent BYU.
Little do they know but these BYU Dems are playing an integrate part in God's plan. The more whussy anti-Bush/conservatives we can muster the sooner the troops are "de-funded" and returned home. With no support those who are inclined will be able to wreck havoc and nuke us all, APOCALYPSE BABY!
I'm excited about the apocalypse; I can't wait to see God again. In fact I know with my temple marriage I myself can become a God. I'll be an awesome God I'll be all cool and chill.
Last thing I remember, you guys claimed Bush/Cheney were spreading this same "freedom" to other parts of the world. If you yourself cant tolerate something as little as a protest in the name of "freedom", how dare you wage a war on a country (costing it thousands of innocent lives) in the name of affording them the same "freedom" ?
Dissent does not give you the right to ask us to leave, even as a citizen, the American constitution gives all people a right to free speech & thought on American soil.
I am graduating along with my husband this year and am utterly disgusted by the choice of the speaker. I am so glad that there's an alternate commencement. We were amongst the protesters and are proud to show that we have dissenting views and can and will express them.
Before any of you so-called "Pro-BYU/Dick Cheney/Republicans" accuse me of not following the authority, let me clarify that I am neither Mormon nor American (just a permanent resident).
If bush-boy is the worst president ever, then is cheney the worst veep ever? I'd have to concur, and god bless BYU students. Keep speaking your minds about this corrupt administration!
Great video! I feel its a documentary in its true sense in that it attempts to show an unbiased view. Few comments on the issue: NO ivy league school WOULD consider Cheney just like BYU would never consider a moderate-left wing speaker
It saddens me that there are actually those students protesting Cheney coming to our campus. Aren't decisions made at BYU based on careful consideration and diligent prayer..?
And what's with girls on campus? It's as if they're more concerned about cell phones and how far they can stretch those undershirt things over their jeans than they are about education and more importantly, their salvation...?
There is always going to be a body of people that are unhappy. And it is ok to judge someone. It is not ok to state it as fact. You are more than welcome to have an opinion of someone, you should not tell everyone that is how it is. Unless you know WAY more than the average person then you don't don't know anything.
As an outsider that has been following the whole thing, it is really entertaining. If you don't allow him to come then to maintain balance you should never allow any political figure to come again. If you pick a Democrate then the Repubs, will be unhappy and visa versa.
Actually, BYU does allow some protests on campus. The anti-Cheney protest was approved by the administration.
And I fail to see how we should feel honored to have someone speak at our universe purely because they occupy a high-ranking office. Power and authority aren't indicators of integrity, compassion, or morality.
The whole thing at BYU hilarious. I use to be at BYU, it is a great school, but it isn't for everyone. I do think having Chaney is an awesome opportunity. How many times do we get hear a high ranking official, for most-never. I didn't like or agree with Clinton but if BYU had invited Gore to speak I would have thought it was a great opportunity. It is true that BYU doesn't allow protests on campus, but if you want to exercise your free speech there are ways to still do it. Thanks for the video.
Actually, the anti-Cheney protest was approved by the BYU administration. Some protests are allowed on campus.
And can someone please explain to my why I should be honored to have someone speak at my university simply because they occupy a high-ranking office? Power and authority aren't good indicators of integrity, compassion, or morality.
I never said these people were bad people, you extrapolated that out of my comment. I've done more of an attempt than most to understand the issue at hand, and if someone after considering the issue thinks different than you do, this is not "rhetoric" so, I'd Thank You to not make personal attacks on me and try to understand the other side of the issue. To assume that someone after thinking for themselves couldn't come to my conclusion is extremely closed minded.
please don't be so quick to judge those that choose to think for themselves. no one protesting hates byu, the governing body, the church etc. we respect that cheney--including his policies--is a direct personification of your personal and/or socially-adopted views, but do not attempt to demonize good people who maintain different opinions than yourself. fwt.
BYU is a private university; if these students have issues with its governing bodies,leave the university or boycott the commencement. This seems logical, they are not obligated to be here and there are others who would gladly take their place. Yet, these people continue to attend BYU, showing that the true issue is with cheap tuition, or whatever reasons they have for staying, and not with hatred of the governing bodies, or whatever the protest is this week.
'how can you JUDGEsomeone, and attempt to demonize goodpeople who maintain different views than your own?what's clearly'logical'--given your comment--is that1)you r a byu student,2)you have made absolutely no efforts to understand the issues(political or otherwise),and3)your rhetoric--such as'leave,''these people,'and'hatred'--is congruent with those who attempt to ignorantly represent their socially-adopted opinions,having no regard/respect for the issue at hand,nor for anyone but themselves.
Voicing your dissenting opinion about the politics and/or ethics of a political leader automatically make you a pseudo-liberal? People really need to stop this rhetoric.
Wow. Glad I went to Utah State.
MarcFuentos 11 months ago
hey its a scam, those dudes protesting are the same ones that hold up their signs at General Conference their PLASTIC!!!
Jfesolai 4 years ago
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Well, i for one would like to know if terrorists are going to kill me. And if it takes pouring some water on someone in order to scare them , then so be it. And to the opponents to that: What should we use instead? Harsh language?
lovelessissimo 4 years ago
ummm...there is a middle ground between harsh language and torturing.
columbusclipper 4 years ago
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Avoid ALL '08 candidates other than Ron Paul. He is the ONLY one to restore our nation, look at records and promises, the real battle of the new world order against us through political, economic, educational, and media corruption - all headed by similar groups of organized crime cartels. Ron Paul is the ONLY chance at change in all policies both foreign and domestic. Research. America is designed to be the new Nazi Germany.
realguy420 4 years ago
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and to everyone else
Just so I get my two cents worth is my last straw with the LDS CHurch is this DICK Cheney thing
Dick Cheney represents Illegal War, Killing innocents then profiteering of it. Dick Cheney is anti american .ANd If you think He cares about religion you need to get your head checked
mslaerik 4 years ago
hey, the LDS church has nothing to do with politics. look at the protest.
lovelessissimo 4 years ago
ummm then why did they chose a politician to speak? especially one with a 20% approval rating
stop being a sheep and think for yourself
mslaerik 4 years ago
You know the Republicans are in trouble when students at BYU protest one of the leaders of that party. BYU is not a center of liberalism like UC Berkeley. Well this White House has made their bed and it's time to sleep in it. The LDS church claims no political slant but since they fund BYU and had this rediculous "protest" area and then even edit what the protesters can say well so much for "free speech" and "non-partisan" from the university and the church.
dublinguy35 4 years ago
Hey did the campus republicans have any volunteers for the marine corps or army infantry there? If people are SOOO supportive of the VP and his policies then they should put their money where the mouth is and enlist! Otherwise they should shut their mouths.
dealer5 4 years ago
No, never claimed she was coming to BYU - only pointing out the gross hypocrisy which is so prevalent on the Left in this country! That is why I laugh when they make unsubstiantive accusations of "unethical" behavior - the Left, and the DNC in particular, are the most unprincipled lot - William Jefferson....Nancy Pelosi...now Dianne Feinstein! They're all crooks.
nsneddon 4 years ago
Since this idiotic BYU student is so concerned about alleged unethics, where is the protest of Sen. Dianne Feinstein who headed the Military Construction, Veterans Affairs, and Related Agencies Subcommittee, oversaw $1.5 Billion that went to her husband's companies URS of San Francisco and the Perini Corporation of Framingham, Mass. If this weren't enough, she left her subcomittee at the same time her husband sold his stake in both companies.
Wow if you want to talk about unethical!
nsneddon 4 years ago
Dianne Feinstein really isn't coming to talk at BYU though.
erp010 4 years ago
If the students weren't happy with the VP coming to talk at their ceremony, then why even walk or graduate? Transfer somewhere else... Crazies. I wonder if any of them were thinking "What would Jesus do?" or "Love one another" Cheney wasn't going there to make a political statement or anything. He's still a child of God.
smelliekellie07 4 years ago
Provo Homos
shanejordan12 4 years ago
are the values of BYU protecting terrorists? Why do you oppose water-boarding? Do you know what terrorists to to American captives?
nmeboy 4 years ago
because it doesn't work. torture has never worked.
do you really think an actual terrorist who already is seeking death and martyrdom is going to give it all up because... what? he's now afraid to die?
moron.
nkbosna21 4 years ago
Actually torture does work, if used under the right circumstances in the right way. A terrorists idea of martyrdom is not being tortured in a secluded cell, and that is why they will give up important information when tortured. Were talking about water boarding here too, nothing extreme. Would you refuse to water board a terrorist who had a bomb tied to your mother?
nmeboy 4 years ago
p.s. being tortured has nothing to do with being afraid to die....but by your immature name calling, I wouldn't expect you to be intelligent enough to comprehend that....
nmeboy 4 years ago
Just glad to be a Utah alum. BYU should be ashamed of themselves for letting Cheney speak.
OfficerPolynice 4 years ago
9 out of 10 BYU protesters are completely oblivious to any real facts concerning Cheney, and the rest of them are just seeking attention and reinforcing the "naive BYU student" stereotype.
nmeboy 4 years ago
Very well done, Eric. Thanks.
axonneuron 4 years ago
What a moron. As a BYU-grad, I am embarrassed. First, Cheney resigned from Halliburton (including stock-options) before joining the white house precisely to avoid such accusations of ethics. Second, terrorists - or those who purposefully seek out civilians and fail to wear uniforms - ARE NOT protected under the Geneva Conventions. That poor BYU Democrat needs to do some more reading!
Embarrassing to see twits like this represent BYU.
nsneddon 4 years ago
wow. there wasn't even an attempt to present a balanced documentary. nice try, though.
rascaltwitch 4 years ago
What didn't you find balanced about it? Examples would be nice.
erp010 4 years ago
Little do they know but these BYU Dems are playing an integrate part in God's plan. The more whussy anti-Bush/conservatives we can muster the sooner the troops are "de-funded" and returned home. With no support those who are inclined will be able to wreck havoc and nuke us all, APOCALYPSE BABY!
I'm excited about the apocalypse; I can't wait to see God again. In fact I know with my temple marriage I myself can become a God. I'll be an awesome God I'll be all cool and chill.
byucougarfootballyo 4 years ago
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byuiyer 4 years ago
Last thing I remember, you guys claimed Bush/Cheney were spreading this same "freedom" to other parts of the world. If you yourself cant tolerate something as little as a protest in the name of "freedom", how dare you wage a war on a country (costing it thousands of innocent lives) in the name of affording them the same "freedom" ?
byuiyer 4 years ago
Dissent does not give you the right to ask us to leave, even as a citizen, the American constitution gives all people a right to free speech & thought on American soil.
byuiyer 4 years ago
I am graduating along with my husband this year and am utterly disgusted by the choice of the speaker. I am so glad that there's an alternate commencement. We were amongst the protesters and are proud to show that we have dissenting views and can and will express them.
Before any of you so-called "Pro-BYU/Dick Cheney/Republicans" accuse me of not following the authority, let me clarify that I am neither Mormon nor American (just a permanent resident).
byuiyer 4 years ago
If bush-boy is the worst president ever, then is cheney the worst veep ever? I'd have to concur, and god bless BYU students. Keep speaking your minds about this corrupt administration!
avibard 4 years ago
BYU is full of a lot of dorks. He's the VP of the country. What's the alternative to him speaking? A local boy scout leader?
Flex4545 4 years ago
Ralph Nader is coming down to speak as an alternative at an independent venue not sponsored by BYU.
erp010 4 years ago
And Ralph Nader definitely promotes the values of BYU much more than Dick Cheney does...
bennyboarder 4 years ago
Great video! I feel its a documentary in its true sense in that it attempts to show an unbiased view. Few comments on the issue: NO ivy league school WOULD consider Cheney just like BYU would never consider a moderate-left wing speaker
spastikman 4 years ago
It saddens me that there are actually those students protesting Cheney coming to our campus. Aren't decisions made at BYU based on careful consideration and diligent prayer..?
And what's with girls on campus? It's as if they're more concerned about cell phones and how far they can stretch those undershirt things over their jeans than they are about education and more importantly, their salvation...?
byucougarfootballyo 4 years ago
What a bunch of freakin retards, me being a mormon my self, disown them
broomey06 4 years ago
There is always going to be a body of people that are unhappy. And it is ok to judge someone. It is not ok to state it as fact. You are more than welcome to have an opinion of someone, you should not tell everyone that is how it is. Unless you know WAY more than the average person then you don't don't know anything.
solo2070 4 years ago
As an outsider that has been following the whole thing, it is really entertaining. If you don't allow him to come then to maintain balance you should never allow any political figure to come again. If you pick a Democrate then the Repubs, will be unhappy and visa versa.
solo2070 4 years ago
As you can see protests are not common, but there was one on campus just last year.
montanhaf100 4 years ago
Actually, BYU does allow some protests on campus. The anti-Cheney protest was approved by the administration.
And I fail to see how we should feel honored to have someone speak at our universe purely because they occupy a high-ranking office. Power and authority aren't indicators of integrity, compassion, or morality.
Steez909 4 years ago
The whole thing at BYU hilarious. I use to be at BYU, it is a great school, but it isn't for everyone. I do think having Chaney is an awesome opportunity. How many times do we get hear a high ranking official, for most-never. I didn't like or agree with Clinton but if BYU had invited Gore to speak I would have thought it was a great opportunity. It is true that BYU doesn't allow protests on campus, but if you want to exercise your free speech there are ways to still do it. Thanks for the video.
tedsowards 4 years ago
Actually, the anti-Cheney protest was approved by the BYU administration. Some protests are allowed on campus.
And can someone please explain to my why I should be honored to have someone speak at my university simply because they occupy a high-ranking office? Power and authority aren't good indicators of integrity, compassion, or morality.
Steez909 4 years ago
I never said these people were bad people, you extrapolated that out of my comment. I've done more of an attempt than most to understand the issue at hand, and if someone after considering the issue thinks different than you do, this is not "rhetoric" so, I'd Thank You to not make personal attacks on me and try to understand the other side of the issue. To assume that someone after thinking for themselves couldn't come to my conclusion is extremely closed minded.
letmehavename 4 years ago
you've made just as many judgments and assumptions as I have if not more.
letmehavename 4 years ago
please don't be so quick to judge those that choose to think for themselves. no one protesting hates byu, the governing body, the church etc. we respect that cheney--including his policies--is a direct personification of your personal and/or socially-adopted views, but do not attempt to demonize good people who maintain different opinions than yourself. fwt.
lingeighty 4 years ago
BYU is a private university; if these students have issues with its governing bodies,leave the university or boycott the commencement. This seems logical, they are not obligated to be here and there are others who would gladly take their place. Yet, these people continue to attend BYU, showing that the true issue is with cheap tuition, or whatever reasons they have for staying, and not with hatred of the governing bodies, or whatever the protest is this week.
letmehavename 4 years ago
'how can you JUDGEsomeone, and attempt to demonize goodpeople who maintain different views than your own?what's clearly'logical'--given your comment--is that1)you r a byu student,2)you have made absolutely no efforts to understand the issues(political or otherwise),and3)your rhetoric--such as'leave,''these people,'and'hatred'--is congruent with those who attempt to ignorantly represent their socially-adopted opinions,having no regard/respect for the issue at hand,nor for anyone but themselves.
lingeighty 4 years ago
Voicing your dissenting opinion about the politics and/or ethics of a political leader automatically make you a pseudo-liberal? People really need to stop this rhetoric.
torben146 4 years ago
wow...Even at BYU you can't get away from pseudo-liberals.
TaylorBarlow 4 years ago
yup, just like them minorities. We'll find our way in to your campus one way or another.
spastikman 4 years ago
Great video of the BYU students and their views of Dick Cheney's crap! TY Much...
misterb1972 4 years ago
No problem!
erp010 4 years ago