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[RaNdOmViDeOs6399]

@Jamesmegarity well i dont see a whole chunk of earth missing

[lionreza]

thats 300 sextillion tons

[lionreza]

the mass of a neutron star is around 3 with 28 zeros after it in tons this is a tad more than a few 100 million tons 

[intigfx]

What about if life ADAPTED to those condiftions rather than the other way around? What a stupid argument. It's disappointing to see this guy show great scientific knowledge at first then go full derp later on.

[CJTVZ]

@intigfx it may not prove naturalism wrong, but it does support creationsim

[Everfalling]

the fine tuned argument is BS. it's as if i poured water into a hole and froze it and then claimed that if the hole were any other shape the water wouldn't have been able to fill it. We find life in some of the most extreme environments yet all we can think of is ourselves. If the earth changed composition tomorrow and humans died off it's very likely that other species better fit to adapt would flourish in our place. maybe even to the point where it thinks it's environment was made for it.

[Starryskull]

@Everfalling MAybe tiny organisms...but remember everything was created for us...we are the ONLY life force that is an infusion on both 100% physical and 100% spiritual. Everything was based and revolved around us.

[Everfalling]

@Starryskull "but remember everything was created for us"

no it wasn't. what the hell makes you think that? do you know how fragile we are? how fragile our bodies are? How narrow an ecosystem we need to live without much effort (like tool making or stealing fur from animals who can survive cold climates)? if this world were truly made for us it'd contain 100% fresh water, no ocean-size bodies of water, mostly flat land, and filled with weak animals that don't migrate.

[Everfalling]

@Starryskull How could you possibly say the world was made for us? In what way? Why isn't the world made for insects? for germs? If all the insects disappeared from the earth all other living things on the planet would be dead in a matter of decades. if humans disappeared from the earth all other living things would flourish within a matter of decades. we are merely apes who figured out how to use tools really well and used that advantage to survive in places where we might not otherwise.

[ryourhm]

@Everfalling Have you ever thought of it that God Made Insects and Germs and different animals just to keep the earth alive? So clearly the earth wasn't for them,, because we have to do nothing to keep it running. God Created nature for us for us to enjoy, not the little insects with no brains Practically.

[Everfalling]

@ryourhm "Have you ever thought of it that God..." No because that presupposes a god and there's absolutely no evidence that one exists. Again if the earth was created for us to enjoy then why is most of the earth comprised of undrinkable salt water? why are there deserts of both sand and snow? why are there volcanoes as a result of the tectonic plates? why are we at risk of being hit with meteors that could end all life on the planet? the earth wasn't made for us. we survive the earth. simple.

[ryourhm]

@Everfalling "No because that presupposes a god and there's absolutely no evidence that one exists"

So I guess since it's 2011 Scientists know everything. scientists haven't even touched technology to prove God exists.

you cannot take a measuring tape and measure a building and estimate the exact weighing of the building.

God leaves evidence behind on his Creation.

also, We drink Salt water every day!

Also, being we haven't been hit with a metier, That shows me something has it's hand on us.

[Everfalling]

@ryourhm "So I guess since it's 2011 Scientists know everything" nope. no scientist worth his salt would ever say that. science is a refinement of our understanding of the universe and it's self correcting and all (and i mean all) current scientific evidence points to natural causes for what we see in the universe and not a supernatural one.

"you cannot take a measuring tape...."

if you know enough about the materials used and in what quantities you can find that out with very high accuracy.

[ryourhm]

@Everfalling we are rotating over a thousand miles per hour and another thousands of miles around the sun. If no one is in control of that, then certainly we are all at risk of that as well too right?

[Everfalling]

@ryourhm i don't understand your point with this. are you saying that without god that the speed of the earth moving through space would harm us? how? if we're not accelerating then we don't feel it just like once you cruise your car at any speed, be it 15mph or 150 mph, you don't feel it going that fast. the only reason you know you're going fast is because you can look out the window and you can hear the road. otherwise you're fine. so i don't see what sort of point you're trying to make.

[ryourhm]

@Starryskull Amen!

[beardbreath]

@Everfalling Your analogy is fallacious, there are many many more variable involved in the creation of life than in the freezing of water. Fine tuning would be BS if we found plenty of other life in our universe. If life was a normal phenomenon in our universe, we would have been visited thousands of times by other more advanced civilizations by now as predicted by Fermi's Paradox. Clearly life is (statistically speaking) a virtual impossibility. Even if you deny God you cannot deny that fact.

[Everfalling]

@beardbreath Fermi's Paradox is weird because on one hand it says if life is common and earth is typical there should be tons of life in the milkyway galaxy while on the other hand it assumes that this typical life would have sufficiently advanced beyond us to be able to explore the hundreds and thousands of light years between single stars. as it stands the furthest out any alien could ever detect our first radio transmission would be 75 light years away.

[Everfalling]

@beardbreath I'm not saying other life couldn't overtake us technologically but there's just so much distance to cover and so many places to go not to mention that detecting life via radio signals like our own would be the biggest needle-in-a-hay-stack hunt ever. also the freezing water example wasn't about the creation of life. it was about the flawed perspective of ourselves in the universe as somehow special simply because we exist.

[Everfalling]

@beardbreath oh also Fermi's Paradox isn't any sort of evidence for a god or creationism or anything like that. it merely means there are questions about how we might understand ET life to survive, whether we should expect that ET life to colonize beyond their home planet or not, and how likely it is given whatever level of technology we imagine this ET to have if they'd be sufficiently able to find us or us them. that's it.

[lebott]

@Everfalling which is why every other planet we've found is TEEMING with life...

[Everfalling]

@lebott not sure what post you're sarcastically responding to or why...

[wagz420]

@Everfalling hes obviously responding to your top rated comment. the point of this is that some how millions of different conditions came together with the result of life. if we were 1/1000 of a mm away from the sun or closer no life... take this knowledge however u want nobody is trying to change ur belief ok your athiests are the ones who go in defense mode while we just are looking at the beauty and fine tuning of the universe.

[Everfalling]

@wagz420 " if we were 1/1000 of a mm away from the sun or closer no life... " that's completely idiotic. the earth orbits in an elliptical which means that depending in the time of year we are + or - a few million MILES from the average distance of the sun. look up "Earth's Orbit" on wikipedia and look under "Events in the orbit" to see the furthest and closest the earth gets to the sun.

[wagz420]

@Everfalling dude get this through your head .. there is no other life form like a human being there never will be .. get back at me when we find aliens that have the functions of a human

[Everfalling]

@wagz420 I never said this.

[wagz420]

@Everfalling and if these things change then all animals would die so how would another species flourish. if the oxygen level messed up everything is dead. ur arguement against this is just not sound come on u worship science come up with something better than that

[Everfalling]

@wagz420 I don't worship science because there's nothing to worship. That would be like saying I worship logic or math. These are merely processes we've found to better understand our universe. everything you use right now is a result of scientific advancement. I don't have to take anything on faith because there's falsifiable scientific evidence that backs all of this stuff up.

[trwhite1266]

Our orbit around the sun varies from 91 million to almost 95 million miles over the course of a year. That is merely one of the many things this joke of a video got wrong. If your going to learn about science, this isn't the way to do it, with half-truths and flat out lies. I guess it is a great way to learn about religion though.

[ReaderDan]

@trwhite1266

Why does it matter?

[pworam68]

Correction. A neutron star was a touch more than several hundred million tons AND cannot fit in a teaspoon. I think he was referring to the fact that a teaspoon of mass from a neutron weighs several million tons - as much as a large ship I believe is the typical analogy. That nothwithstanding, Rob's point is not lost.

[beerj1992]

@pworam68 Agreed.

[gustavojralves]

19% of oxygen or 23% of oxygen, no life on Earth????? Bullshit!

This is enough evidence to show how some people does not care if information is true or not. They don't care to tell lies if is to defend religion. It's time to some people take a science class.

[PH34Ranon]

@gustavojralves You need to understand he's talking about the oxygen content on our planet.

[gustavojralves]

@PH34Ranon Oxygen cannot survive for long. All oxygen present on our atmosphere is generated and renewed by organisms every time.

[fromtheshell]

Human saltiness is .09%... that's why we die if we drink salt water..makes me question the rest of his claims.

[cheeseUout]

he's wrong on the tilt subject. earth changes tilt all the time.

[TwentyTwoDCL]

neutron stars are usually about 30 kilometers in diameter, but because of their super-dense mass a teaspoon full of the star would be as heavy as he said

[MissJemimaPuddleduck]

@TwentyTwoDCL Yeah.

[WilmerDayse]

This is enough evidence that God is our creator

[duswdav]

@WilmerDayse what evidence is that?

[WilmerDayse]

@duswdav look around the evidence is everywhere. look at the complexity of life and the details, clearly there's a creator which we call God.

[REALSLIK]

any argument about life on earth and the small probability fails because if it wasnt the way it was we wouldnt be here to talk about it. We are only saying it is rare after the fact, and our existence may be just as rare as all of the factors that led to our existence.

[MissJemimaPuddleduck]

@REALSLIK I like your comments.

[REALSLIK]

@MissJemimaPuddleduck Thanks, just trying to spread what I've learned.

[Dgstg]

that´s true James!

[Jamesmegarity]

Scientists don't believe the moon was an asteroid, they believe another planet during the formation of the milky way clashed with earth and part of earth and the other planet broke off creating the moon.

[YuTe3712]

@Jamesmegarity Maybe some scientists, but I see a picture of a huge spherical asteroid smashing into Earth in almost every Science textbook I can find...