Surah 'Al Hadid' in the Quran or Chapter of 'The Iron'. By using the ancient Abjad calculation, we will get : Al = 31 and Hadid = 26. ( Al means 'The' and Hadid means 'Iron' ) Therefore 31+26 = 57. And this 57 is exactly the chapter of 'The iron' found in the Quran! A miracle? Maybe, but now think of the number 26 which belongs to Hadid (Iron) alone without the Al (The)........ 26! Now check the periodic table in your chemistry school book and see what number 26 belongs to.
Oh,but think about it, Quran is still saying the right things from very begining... Don't just because your hate toward Islam making you limit your thinking about which religion is correct... this is not that you discussing anything about if it is correct or not..you are just simply jump to the conclusion here...think about it, this is one more proof saying that Quran is correct, go find video about the miracle of kaaba...
the verb nazala used in the said verse does not literally mean that something is comming down from asteroids. For example is another verse god says that he nazala the sacrificial animals. Are we to understand that cows and goats crashed on earth while riding an asteriod? ofcourse not, its all meant metaphoriaclly. But u shift between metaphorical and literal interpretations as and when u like.
@Dathinkingman Besides all element on earth came from the stars ("the heavens") so singling out iron makes no sense rather it raises our suspicion of whether the author of Quran actually knew that other elements also came from the star.. moreover quran never talks about earth having an iron core. it just says that god gave us iron. thats its - a very vague and flexible statement.
@Dathinkingman ok man...please don't just because of your hate toward Islam making you loss yourself. i don't know whether you think or not about this "God knows everything and if God wants to tell you everything about what He created, even an ink as much as the quantity of the sea, could never able to complete the knowledges. because there are too much knowledge. If God able to create you, in what kind of way do you think God lack of knowledge? In Quran mention about all aspects of knowledge.
@thinkandfree fistly inspite being a non-theist i dont hate islam . i think sufism has great aspects and i deeply respect contemporary muslim philosophers especially ibn-rushd. moreover muslim theologians like al-ghazali had a lot to add to the debate about gods existence and i respect them. my point is that there are not good reasons to think that the iron miracle is there in the quran. so its not a case of scientific miracles rather its just vague verses that are being retrofitted to seem real
@martyr84 no i dont know arabic just like u probably dont know sanskrit, hebrew and Pali (yet u reject chritianity, hinduism and buddhism respectively) nevertheless i consult various quranic translations e.g Yusuf Ali, khalifa, pickthall,shakir,sher ali and other misc urdu translations to understand the various meanings of words and i sometimes try to refer to contemporary exegesis (Tafsir) +Hadiths to get a better idea of how to inteprate the verse.
@Dathinkingman for example in the case of iron miracle the tafsir of my urdu quran pointed out that nazala should not be interpretated as literal comming down from sky rather it should be interprated metaphorical as the sacraficial animals were also nazala. so my objection regarding the correct interpretation of the "iron verse" actually comes after reading ur own Islamic scholars !!!!
@martyr84 my definition for vague is that if a verse can be interprated in a number of ways with various meanings then its vague. In case of quran many verses can be interprated in number of ways e.g if u just look to a tafsir even within that u will find multiple interpretations e.g ibn kasir will say one thing while some other will say something else and shia , ismaili scholars will end up saying a third things.
@Dathinkingman the vagueness and mutiple interpretations of quran arise due to:
- changed contexts
- unknown/unclear translations of words now no longer used in arabic
- difference in supporting texts (e.g is Tabari authentic? to some yes others no) used to interprate
SIR dont accuse me of not DOING MY HOMEWORK. thats just an adhomiem (Insult) and not an argument. Argue to me how quran is not vague and refute my original objection regarding iron miracle. if u cant dont fool ur self.
@Dathinkingman You're clearly nitpicking and you're definition of vague is very insignificant. The evidence in the Quran are taken as a choice in either to make your faith stronger or for you to disbelieve.
This video is very misleading in its interpretation of the Iron being sent down.. However it may be true. Science and religion don't go hand in hand in our day of age. Quantum physics on the other hand, is beginning to prove otherwise.
@martyr84 yes it may be true and it may be false so from a neutral point of view the verse is inconclusive to establish the truth or falsehood of islam and thus it would be irrelevant. dont u agree? By the way i will like to hear your definition of vague vs specific. i think the definition that i have is the best there can be. dont multiple interpretations means being vague? if not why not? and how does quantum physics proves otherwise?
@martyr84 moreover if quran is divine then its need not be limited to arabic rather since ISlam is for all of humanity Allah could have arranged matters in such a way that quran would not have lost its meaning and poetic Eloquence even when it was translated into any language of the world. for a human it would be impossible to do such a thing but god could have done it cos he is omnipotent so the fact that quran can only be understood best in arabic is actually evidence against its divinity !
So the fact the Egyptians referred to iron as "metal from heaven" some 4 centuries prior to this doesn't maybe think you're reading too much into this particular 'miracle?'
also believe that we are all really related- 1 set of parents set the ball in motion! so wish we would start 'loving the neighbour' and generally be positive towards each other and promote good feelings- doesn't matter if we all have diff opinions- respect them and sue duiscuss- hash it out but with good will and humour! will certainly leave all feeling good! any way here's to 'warmth' and 'respect' to the next person and carry it on! :)
CONT...call him/it what you will. we too in certain thing are 'preprogrammed' eg blinking- try and stop blinking for 5 or 10 minutes ! impossible! there is an order of things which is beyond our control-- cannot stop the catual moment of death- our hearts beating- while alive- CONT2...
well i believe in a 'creator' hat there is a 'creator' who made the universe and all that is in it.. tht athere is a method to the madness! :). the order of things - night and day cycles of the moon and the various orbits being maintained of different 'bodies' could not just happen and be maintained without a master planner and some entity controlling it. that entity is the one worthy of being worshipped. CONT....
"We sent down iron in shich is (material for ) mighty war"? This verse proves that this can be seen from a human perspective. Seeing iron on earth and figuring it out that it can be used for war, has nothing to do with it being gods word.
He didn't just quote the verse he read the verse in english and arabic and it says mighty war. This verse does not prove it is word of god because anyone can say we send something down. I can say we send down gold for mankind to make jewelry, does that mean I am a prophet?
I don't care what the guy said I have the Quran in front of me both Arabic and French it says that:
[57:25] We sent our messengers supported by clear proofs, and we sent down to them the scripture and the law, that the people may uphold justice. And we sent down the iron, wherein there is strength, and many benefits for the people. All this in order for GOD to distinguish those who would support Him and His messengers, on faith. GOD is Powerful, Almighty.
Watch the video and you will see the "war" word. Maybe you have a different translation. It doesn't matter if it says war or not. WE send down iron is the same as we send down rain or snow. It doesn't prove anything. Anyone can see that rain is send down and snow is send down and iron and gold and everything else.
As I said I don't care what the guy said. I have the Quran in front of me both in French and Arabic, none mention the word war. Of all translation in English I looked for on Google none mention the word "war".
Your theory doesn't stand: Iron was sent down to earth billions of years ago. Even before the human race existed. How do you explain that?
No, Victor, I think that you need to study. You obvioulsy were the unhappy kid in science class, the one sitting right down the back, head down on folded arms, fast asleep. The Qur'an makes absolutely NO correct predictions or revelations. It is full of vague allusions and complete errant mnonsense. Not a single academic book used by the bona fide international scientific community is based on the Qur'an. Why? Because the Qur'an, like the Talmud and Bible, is complete nonsense!
You don't need to be a metallurgist to debunk Islam's claim: iron was already in use by the Egyptians over 4K years ago. Europe's Iron Age was between 800-600 BCE. Tthe Koran was written between 610-633 CE. It's easy to predict the winner after the race has been run.
Easy to debunk if you make up your own stuff: the Iron chapter is in the "middle" (vers 57 out of 114) it was sent down to Earth (the Iron core is in the middle, inside of Earth). NObody at that time imagined an iron core descended on Earth. For them it ALWAYS was there with Earth. Didn't come form the stars.
Quran is not a science books. Its a message with signs which are consistent with science. Why? Cause even the knowledge of science is created by Allah.
and thats exactly why people should not reference the Quran when speaking about science..
the average human is not able to determine what is science and what is religious scripture.. humans can apply religious scripture only after science has proven it to be correct.. scripture has not gone through the scientific process, only science is suited to determine the complexities of nature
When trying to explain to non-muslims about Islam, I don't use the scientific miraces in the Qur'an as primary evidence of explaining the beauty of Islam. But if you do study Arbaic, the literary miracle is far greater then any other miracle. During the time of the Prophet(pbuh), excellence in poetry was widespread in Mecca, and since Muhammed(pbuh) was illiterate, it was impossible for him to create the Qur'an which superceded them all. So Allah challenges anyone to create something like it.
i agree that Islam is filled with beautiful scripture but i feel that its followers are lacking in a sense of pride of community.. the Muslim community have not stepped up to the challenges in science and the few Muslim scientist that exist are only able to practice in western societies..
There are no miracles in the quran as the quran stole the ideas of ancient greeks therefore, it is the greeks who should get the credit for guessing this fact. Well, I correct my statement, they did not guess it they knew meteors have iron in them and that is where they got the statement 'sent down to earth'. On extracting the iron from meteors they built tools and this all happened 1000s yrs before islam was even invented and this is a fact!
if you want to talk about contributions to humanity.. arabic muslim are responsible for saving greek scriptures and science... arabic contributions to the west include ALgebra, CHEMistry, our ALphabet .. not to say they invented it, but they did advace it by leaps and bounds
christians went through the dark ages when their religion was taken over by fanatics.. the same is happening to Islam
Sure, there has been some great islamic scientists, in fact they used to believe in evolution, only over the past 100 yrs or so they lost their sight on this fact.
Hardly a miracle. It would be a miracle if it said "And then a body collided with earth, causing a moon to be born of the chaos. Iron, carbon, and oxygen became plentiful." Just because the quaran mentions iron doesn't mean it has anything to do with the Catastrophic collision model.
entire solar sys from outer space , there is no point of reference in outer space, where ever you go still matter distributed uniformly through out the universe. there is no point or logic or meaning in calling solar system from outer space. read all the reply below. learn some astronomy things like nebula, n generation stars, you will get the answer. you will find quran is wrong.
it is also foolish to say that iron is sent down from outer space from distant supernova.ha ha ha!! as i said earth, other planets and sun, solar system its self formed from previous generation massive stars nebulae cloud. then how can quran claim iron sent down from other distant meteorites blah blah.another important things is all the heavier elements itself forms the part of molten earth core then how come one can say iron came from meteorites. ha ha !! stupid moronic claims of quran. ha ha
i can easily reject this claims of iron being sent down from god. yes we all know iron formed only in massive star.science says sun belong to 2nd or 3rd generation star since big bang. sun formed out of previous nebulae cloud of 1st or 2nd generation massive star.heavier iron were formed in these massive stars.massive stars end its life by supernovae,resulting nebulae give birth to 3rd generation stars like sun with heavy elements like iron.this shows quran is false and stupid ha ha ha ha
as said below heavier elements are found in nebulae gas cloud of previous generation massive stars. from these heavier elements inner planets like earth are formed. one must know that all other elements apart from hydrogen and helium are considered to be heavy in astronomy.these nebulae with heavier elements because of gravitation forms inner planets and outer planets. sun has h2 78% he 18% heavier elements 4%. there is no miracle in quran , you only exposed the fallacy of it.
How ignorant. The whole solar system is composed of elements generated from the ashes of a supernova. Any element heavier than carbon comes from a supernova. Not only Iron, but lead, gold, uranium, copper, nickel, etc. etc. It's well known that the sun us a second or third generation star. What this befuddled cult leader was really talking about was the fact that ancient Arabs only obtained iron from iron meteorites, and had no idea that it could also be mined.
ts so easy for muslims to make any sort of miracle out of quran? The word "Sent down" used other places as even from "Clothing"
"07:26 O children of Adam! We have indeed sent down to you clothing to cover your shame, and (clothing) for beauty and clothing that guards (against evil), that is the best. This is of the communications of Allah that they may be mindful."
now muslims can tell me how allah sent down the cloths?? stupidity and nothing
well, we'll see if the scientists are interested to investigate the materials / substances that made up the cloths, whether they r also frm outerspace. Well if u r still alive during that period of the discovery, then you might change your faith to Islam. Our knowledge that Allah gave to us is very little compared to His The Creator, The All-Knowing. Till then, may Allah Be Kind to u and show you the straight path before your last day on earth. Ameen.
b4 the scientists dsicovered that the iron were actually frm outerspace, for thousands of years the disbelievers disputed it, hw cme in the qur'an said that the iron is sent down frm outerspace yet we found iron by digging up the earth? just like u, many of them dead already, pity on them.
the Chapter 7 verse 26 of the qur'an that u r referring to, the word "clothing" that u use to translate, is actually the materials for making cloths. and indeed you r not translated it in full meaning.
@tawakkal3laallah..my dear its an old trick from muslims when they want to twist the meaning they say its not the correct translation ! come on man, its the translations of muslim scholars which i quoted not mine, its clear its stupidity and nothing else what you present on the names of miracles, stop lying my dear and open your eyes. there is no miracle in quran nor muhammad was able to perform one !
One quick point, the Surah you're quoting in terms of clothing didn't use the words "sent down", it used "bestowed", out of 3 of the authors of the English translation of the Qur'an, only one uses "sent down" in there translation.
@DesertFoxx518..read the arabic and then see the word, in actual meaning its mean "Sent Down", the reason why translators had problem is obvious they want to hide the clear error from allah, we know that clothing or cloths can not be sent down by gods from heavens !!
apart from these errors there are literally hundereds of other errors in quran, some of them are exposed in my videos watch them and open ur eyes
Two translators disagree with you, as well as my father does. I have read it, just as my Dad has, Arabic and English are very different languages, and the translations are very "rough" in a sense, there is no direct translation for certain words in Arabic from English. If you don't believe me, look up the Arabic word for "of" and see if you find anything.
@DesertFoxx518, again we r not talking about "of" we are talking about "sent down" the word is clear and everywhere in quran people translated as sent down, only here becaz its logical error, muslim translators try to hide it, have you ever wondered why ? if islam is true then why they have to lie ?
there are other examples, for example of word "Nikah", its acutaly mean "to penetrate" usualy in meaning of sexual relationship, not for marriage, as muslim trying to do, there r many exampels
So your saying I and my father are trying to hide the fact that the word in the Qur'an has closer meaning to "sent down" than it does to "bestowed"? As well as the most reliable translator, Yusuf Ali along with another author who both have different translations from each other on the meaning of the word? The word in question has a closer meaning to bestowed than it does to "sent down". Can you read Arabic?
In fact the translation my father gave was also different to the authors, he translated the word as "given". So 3 different translations are given, all closer to the word "bestowed" rather than "sent down". You should look up these 3 authors and see for yourself.
allah akbar,there are more miracles than iron in quran but i dont know what's wrrong with you you want to beleive just what you want but it's not a matter because scientists beleive in science and they found all they need in quran and they know what's the reality of islam .thank allah we didnt change any words in quran we didnt found any mistakes it and we are pround of it ,you have to learn about it because it's not good to make decision before
allah akbar,there are more miracles than iron in quran but i dont know what's wrrong with you you want to beleive just what you want but it's not a matter because scientists beleive in science and they found all they need in quran and they know what's the reality of islam .thank allah we didnt change any words in quran we didnt found any mistakes it and we are pround of it ,you have to learn about it because it's not good to make decision before
well you might not think this quaran has most of the things on the video but it does inqlude most of the thing for 1500 years ago and dude im 10 and i know then you...
Yes of course God has no shape or form that's why the closes description of God to me would be a divine light (noor). I'm not talking about regular photon light but some thing unknown and mysterious yet powerful, some thing sacred, something divine and indescribable.
... And of course God is sitting on his throne because he is the creator of all the worlds in all the universes ( Al-Quran). By the way God is something indescribable something like divine light (Noor) so don't take it the wrong way, if you know what he meant by "sitting on throne".
The seven heavens mentioned in the Quran are beyond comprehension of current science. Just like science today doesn't know what black holes are why they are there and what they are doing at the center of every galaxy. Seven heavens mentioned in the Quran are for the future generations of human beings who are advanced enough to comprehend the concept of multiple Universes having multiple dimensions so that fellow creations could live without ever having the knowledge of existence of each other...
Quran never changes, never has and never will. Only the modern interpretation of the verses of Quran updates and shows the modern discoveries made by science already mentioned in the Quran. Scientific facts mentioned in Quran such as creation of universe, big bang, vastness of the universe, expansion of the universe, existence of other worlds other than our own (We still don't know if other worlds other than our own exist for sure, nevertheless it is written in the Quran.) Believe it or not!
interesting except that the Quran doesn't mention the earth's iron core or the process by which it was formed. It simply says "we sent down iron." This more closely represents meteoric iron which the ancient Egyptians knew about several thousand years before Muhhamad imagined the Quran in his own mind.
Normally Iron can not be found in pure form. One exception is the iron from meteorites. Because of this iron was called "ore of the heavens" in ancient Egypt and Sumer (according to mineralienatlas(dot)de -- (sorry, it is German).
I think the verse just refers to knowledge that was common at that time but is not well known today.
So ALL the facts in this clips were already revealed 1500 years ago?
Thats not true. Nearly all of the statements in the video do NOT appear in the quran and are added to make the quran look more scientific than it really is.
well you might not think this quaran has most of the things on the video but it does inqlude most of the thing for 1500 years ago and dude im 10 and i know then you...
@abbeydullah, Arab Christians and Arab Jews have used 'Allah' to refer to God long before the Muslims. Still today Arabic Bible uses 'Allah' to refer to God. So, stop posting ignorant comments with profanity and educate yourself. Thanks.
the verses you quoted here are exactly fittig for INSELAFFE67 and PHIPPI46 with their strange comments .
though i've read those honourable verses from the sura of YASSIN hundreds of times , after all these debates along the u-tube pages , i feel that i read these verses for the 1rst time in my life.
Yeah Allah may have sent Iron and even fucking McDoanlds to earth but WHAT do the SAVAGES do with the iron that "God sent them"? Murder, slaughter, death, kill....Islam, a fucking backward bunch of bollocks.
Surah 'Al Hadid' in the Quran or Chapter of 'The Iron'. By using the ancient Abjad calculation, we will get : Al = 31 and Hadid = 26. ( Al means 'The' and Hadid means 'Iron' ) Therefore 31+26 = 57. And this 57 is exactly the chapter of 'The iron' found in the Quran! A miracle? Maybe, but now think of the number 26 which belongs to Hadid (Iron) alone without the Al (The)........ 26! Now check the periodic table in your chemistry school book and see what number 26 belongs to.
juujuubie 6 months ago
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amaljaalza 10 months ago
Oh,but think about it, Quran is still saying the right things from very begining... Don't just because your hate toward Islam making you limit your thinking about which religion is correct... this is not that you discussing anything about if it is correct or not..you are just simply jump to the conclusion here...think about it, this is one more proof saying that Quran is correct, go find video about the miracle of kaaba...
thinkandfree 11 months ago
the verb nazala used in the said verse does not literally mean that something is comming down from asteroids. For example is another verse god says that he nazala the sacrificial animals. Are we to understand that cows and goats crashed on earth while riding an asteriod? ofcourse not, its all meant metaphoriaclly. But u shift between metaphorical and literal interpretations as and when u like.
Dathinkingman 1 year ago
@Dathinkingman Besides all element on earth came from the stars ("the heavens") so singling out iron makes no sense rather it raises our suspicion of whether the author of Quran actually knew that other elements also came from the star.. moreover quran never talks about earth having an iron core. it just says that god gave us iron. thats its - a very vague and flexible statement.
Dathinkingman 1 year ago
@Dathinkingman ok man...please don't just because of your hate toward Islam making you loss yourself. i don't know whether you think or not about this "God knows everything and if God wants to tell you everything about what He created, even an ink as much as the quantity of the sea, could never able to complete the knowledges. because there are too much knowledge. If God able to create you, in what kind of way do you think God lack of knowledge? In Quran mention about all aspects of knowledge.
thinkandfree 11 months ago
@thinkandfree fistly inspite being a non-theist i dont hate islam . i think sufism has great aspects and i deeply respect contemporary muslim philosophers especially ibn-rushd. moreover muslim theologians like al-ghazali had a lot to add to the debate about gods existence and i respect them. my point is that there are not good reasons to think that the iron miracle is there in the quran. so its not a case of scientific miracles rather its just vague verses that are being retrofitted to seem real
Dathinkingman 11 months ago
@Dathinkingman Vague verses? Have you took the time in learning the Arabic language?
martyr84 11 months ago
@martyr84 no i dont know arabic just like u probably dont know sanskrit, hebrew and Pali (yet u reject chritianity, hinduism and buddhism respectively) nevertheless i consult various quranic translations e.g Yusuf Ali, khalifa, pickthall,shakir,sher ali and other misc urdu translations to understand the various meanings of words and i sometimes try to refer to contemporary exegesis (Tafsir) +Hadiths to get a better idea of how to inteprate the verse.
Dathinkingman 11 months ago
@Dathinkingman for example in the case of iron miracle the tafsir of my urdu quran pointed out that nazala should not be interpretated as literal comming down from sky rather it should be interprated metaphorical as the sacraficial animals were also nazala. so my objection regarding the correct interpretation of the "iron verse" actually comes after reading ur own Islamic scholars !!!!
Dathinkingman 11 months ago
@Dathinkingman Rest assured, if you think the Quran is vague, you're pretty much wasting your time because you aren't understanding it fully.
martyr84 11 months ago
@martyr84 my definition for vague is that if a verse can be interprated in a number of ways with various meanings then its vague. In case of quran many verses can be interprated in number of ways e.g if u just look to a tafsir even within that u will find multiple interpretations e.g ibn kasir will say one thing while some other will say something else and shia , ismaili scholars will end up saying a third things.
Dathinkingman 11 months ago
@Dathinkingman the vagueness and mutiple interpretations of quran arise due to:
- changed contexts
- unknown/unclear translations of words now no longer used in arabic
- difference in supporting texts (e.g is Tabari authentic? to some yes others no) used to interprate
SIR dont accuse me of not DOING MY HOMEWORK. thats just an adhomiem (Insult) and not an argument. Argue to me how quran is not vague and refute my original objection regarding iron miracle. if u cant dont fool ur self.
Dathinkingman 11 months ago
@Dathinkingman You're clearly nitpicking and you're definition of vague is very insignificant. The evidence in the Quran are taken as a choice in either to make your faith stronger or for you to disbelieve.
This video is very misleading in its interpretation of the Iron being sent down.. However it may be true. Science and religion don't go hand in hand in our day of age. Quantum physics on the other hand, is beginning to prove otherwise.
martyr84 11 months ago
@martyr84 yes it may be true and it may be false so from a neutral point of view the verse is inconclusive to establish the truth or falsehood of islam and thus it would be irrelevant. dont u agree? By the way i will like to hear your definition of vague vs specific. i think the definition that i have is the best there can be. dont multiple interpretations means being vague? if not why not? and how does quantum physics proves otherwise?
Dathinkingman 11 months ago
@martyr84 moreover if quran is divine then its need not be limited to arabic rather since ISlam is for all of humanity Allah could have arranged matters in such a way that quran would not have lost its meaning and poetic Eloquence even when it was translated into any language of the world. for a human it would be impossible to do such a thing but god could have done it cos he is omnipotent so the fact that quran can only be understood best in arabic is actually evidence against its divinity !
Dathinkingman 11 months ago
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fdjohan19 1 year ago
SubhanAllah! science and technology are developing just to prove the truth of the Quran and that it's but the word of Allah :)
ZuccherroDolce 1 year ago
quran miracles are many , thanks for this information :)
soulshunter87 1 year ago
So the fact the Egyptians referred to iron as "metal from heaven" some 4 centuries prior to this doesn't maybe think you're reading too much into this particular 'miracle?'
rogan71 2 years ago
also believe that we are all really related- 1 set of parents set the ball in motion! so wish we would start 'loving the neighbour' and generally be positive towards each other and promote good feelings- doesn't matter if we all have diff opinions- respect them and sue duiscuss- hash it out but with good will and humour! will certainly leave all feeling good! any way here's to 'warmth' and 'respect' to the next person and carry it on! :)
inm65 2 years ago
CONT...call him/it what you will. we too in certain thing are 'preprogrammed' eg blinking- try and stop blinking for 5 or 10 minutes ! impossible! there is an order of things which is beyond our control-- cannot stop the catual moment of death- our hearts beating- while alive- CONT2...
inm65 2 years ago
well i believe in a 'creator' hat there is a 'creator' who made the universe and all that is in it.. tht athere is a method to the madness! :). the order of things - night and day cycles of the moon and the various orbits being maintained of different 'bodies' could not just happen and be maintained without a master planner and some entity controlling it. that entity is the one worthy of being worshipped. CONT....
inm65 2 years ago
"We sent down iron in shich is (material for ) mighty war"? This verse proves that this can be seen from a human perspective. Seeing iron on earth and figuring it out that it can be used for war, has nothing to do with it being gods word.
TheYellowtulip 2 years ago
Actually the guy made a mistake in quoting the verse, the real verse is:
"And we sent down the iron, wherein there is strength, and many benefits for the people"
The war thing never existed.
So this might change your opinion.
Victortrotska 2 years ago
He didn't just quote the verse he read the verse in english and arabic and it says mighty war. This verse does not prove it is word of god because anyone can say we send something down. I can say we send down gold for mankind to make jewelry, does that mean I am a prophet?
TheYellowtulip 2 years ago
I don't care what the guy said I have the Quran in front of me both Arabic and French it says that:
[57:25] We sent our messengers supported by clear proofs, and we sent down to them the scripture and the law, that the people may uphold justice. And we sent down the iron, wherein there is strength, and many benefits for the people. All this in order for GOD to distinguish those who would support Him and His messengers, on faith. GOD is Powerful, Almighty.
Where's the "war" word?
Victortrotska 2 years ago
Watch the video and you will see the "war" word. Maybe you have a different translation. It doesn't matter if it says war or not. WE send down iron is the same as we send down rain or snow. It doesn't prove anything. Anyone can see that rain is send down and snow is send down and iron and gold and everything else.
TheYellowtulip 2 years ago
As I said I don't care what the guy said. I have the Quran in front of me both in French and Arabic, none mention the word war. Of all translation in English I looked for on Google none mention the word "war".
Your theory doesn't stand: Iron was sent down to earth billions of years ago. Even before the human race existed. How do you explain that?
Victortrotska 2 years ago
Iron wasn't "sent down", by anyone, at any time. It is an inherent part of the Earth's structure.
brokenscimitar 2 years ago
Go study.
Victortrotska 2 years ago
No, Victor, I think that you need to study. You obvioulsy were the unhappy kid in science class, the one sitting right down the back, head down on folded arms, fast asleep. The Qur'an makes absolutely NO correct predictions or revelations. It is full of vague allusions and complete errant mnonsense. Not a single academic book used by the bona fide international scientific community is based on the Qur'an. Why? Because the Qur'an, like the Talmud and Bible, is complete nonsense!
brokenscimitar 2 years ago
Whatever you say kiddo
Victortrotska 2 years ago
You don't need to be a metallurgist to debunk Islam's claim: iron was already in use by the Egyptians over 4K years ago. Europe's Iron Age was between 800-600 BCE. Tthe Koran was written between 610-633 CE. It's easy to predict the winner after the race has been run.
LOL, this is too easy!
brokenscimitar 2 years ago
Easy to debunk if you make up your own stuff: the Iron chapter is in the "middle" (vers 57 out of 114) it was sent down to Earth (the Iron core is in the middle, inside of Earth). NObody at that time imagined an iron core descended on Earth. For them it ALWAYS was there with Earth. Didn't come form the stars.
Victortrotska 2 years ago
The only trouble is that the Earth's core isn't iron!
brokenscimitar 2 years ago
LOL thats a good one ROFL
apedescent 2 years ago
if i had to pick a scientifically advanced religion it would have to be the Mayan religion..
the bible and the Quran focus on morality and social conscious.. they should not be used as science books
toyracers 3 years ago
Quran is not a science books. Its a message with signs which are consistent with science. Why? Cause even the knowledge of science is created by Allah.
furnis1 2 years ago
and thats exactly why people should not reference the Quran when speaking about science..
the average human is not able to determine what is science and what is religious scripture.. humans can apply religious scripture only after science has proven it to be correct.. scripture has not gone through the scientific process, only science is suited to determine the complexities of nature
toyracers 2 years ago
When trying to explain to non-muslims about Islam, I don't use the scientific miraces in the Qur'an as primary evidence of explaining the beauty of Islam. But if you do study Arbaic, the literary miracle is far greater then any other miracle. During the time of the Prophet(pbuh), excellence in poetry was widespread in Mecca, and since Muhammed(pbuh) was illiterate, it was impossible for him to create the Qur'an which superceded them all. So Allah challenges anyone to create something like it.
furnis1 2 years ago
i agree that Islam is filled with beautiful scripture but i feel that its followers are lacking in a sense of pride of community.. the Muslim community have not stepped up to the challenges in science and the few Muslim scientist that exist are only able to practice in western societies..
toyracers 2 years ago
I don't see any poetry in saying We have drowned the disbelievers in the sea because they bellied our ayat ( revelations and signs).
TheYellowtulip 2 years ago
@yellowtulip
you again!!?!? stop misleading people and do something useful.
rochelimit55555 2 years ago
i agree, a wizzard did it.
elevadon 2 years ago
There are no miracles in the quran as the quran stole the ideas of ancient greeks therefore, it is the greeks who should get the credit for guessing this fact. Well, I correct my statement, they did not guess it they knew meteors have iron in them and that is where they got the statement 'sent down to earth'. On extracting the iron from meteors they built tools and this all happened 1000s yrs before islam was even invented and this is a fact!
LozTheAtheist 3 years ago
if you want to talk about contributions to humanity.. arabic muslim are responsible for saving greek scriptures and science... arabic contributions to the west include ALgebra, CHEMistry, our ALphabet .. not to say they invented it, but they did advace it by leaps and bounds
christians went through the dark ages when their religion was taken over by fanatics.. the same is happening to Islam
btw: im an atheist
toyracers 2 years ago
Sure, there has been some great islamic scientists, in fact they used to believe in evolution, only over the past 100 yrs or so they lost their sight on this fact.
LozTheAtheist 2 years ago
I would give the movie itself 5 stars, but the idea wich put it here, isn't worth any stars at all.
Since it is all BS.
U are all dreamers. Most of the knowledge muslims have 'discovered' trough time, have been stolen, or given to them.
Iron was known to others loooong time before any muslim even saw the light of day.
BelieveNoGod 3 years ago
Hardly a miracle. It would be a miracle if it said "And then a body collided with earth, causing a moon to be born of the chaos. Iron, carbon, and oxygen became plentiful." Just because the quaran mentions iron doesn't mean it has anything to do with the Catastrophic collision model.
jpsousa4 3 years ago 2
entire solar sys from outer space , there is no point of reference in outer space, where ever you go still matter distributed uniformly through out the universe. there is no point or logic or meaning in calling solar system from outer space. read all the reply below. learn some astronomy things like nebula, n generation stars, you will get the answer. you will find quran is wrong.
fybercyber 3 years ago
dont you know sun is 2nd 3rd or 4th generation star. if you have basic knowledge of astronomy. you will say quran is wrong.
fybercyber 3 years ago
it is also foolish to say that iron is sent down from outer space from distant supernova.ha ha ha!! as i said earth, other planets and sun, solar system its self formed from previous generation massive stars nebulae cloud. then how can quran claim iron sent down from other distant meteorites blah blah.another important things is all the heavier elements itself forms the part of molten earth core then how come one can say iron came from meteorites. ha ha !! stupid moronic claims of quran. ha ha
fybercyber 3 years ago
i can easily reject this claims of iron being sent down from god. yes we all know iron formed only in massive star.science says sun belong to 2nd or 3rd generation star since big bang. sun formed out of previous nebulae cloud of 1st or 2nd generation massive star.heavier iron were formed in these massive stars.massive stars end its life by supernovae,resulting nebulae give birth to 3rd generation stars like sun with heavy elements like iron.this shows quran is false and stupid ha ha ha ha
fybercyber 3 years ago
as said below heavier elements are found in nebulae gas cloud of previous generation massive stars. from these heavier elements inner planets like earth are formed. one must know that all other elements apart from hydrogen and helium are considered to be heavy in astronomy.these nebulae with heavier elements because of gravitation forms inner planets and outer planets. sun has h2 78% he 18% heavier elements 4%. there is no miracle in quran , you only exposed the fallacy of it.
ha ha
fybercyber 3 years ago
How ignorant. The whole solar system is composed of elements generated from the ashes of a supernova. Any element heavier than carbon comes from a supernova. Not only Iron, but lead, gold, uranium, copper, nickel, etc. etc. It's well known that the sun us a second or third generation star. What this befuddled cult leader was really talking about was the fact that ancient Arabs only obtained iron from iron meteorites, and had no idea that it could also be mined.
fybercyber 3 years ago
This is astounding
Sanaashera 3 years ago
Aslam is the true religion accept it before it is to late brothers and sisters
shafaeidavood 3 years ago
Moslem's have really twisted this one, Egyptians and Sumerian's called "iron" the ore of heaven.
Gringoman911 3 years ago
ts so easy for muslims to make any sort of miracle out of quran? The word "Sent down" used other places as even from "Clothing"
"07:26 O children of Adam! We have indeed sent down to you clothing to cover your shame, and (clothing) for beauty and clothing that guards (against evil), that is the best. This is of the communications of Allah that they may be mindful."
now muslims can tell me how allah sent down the cloths?? stupidity and nothing
MindMasters 3 years ago
well, we'll see if the scientists are interested to investigate the materials / substances that made up the cloths, whether they r also frm outerspace. Well if u r still alive during that period of the discovery, then you might change your faith to Islam. Our knowledge that Allah gave to us is very little compared to His The Creator, The All-Knowing. Till then, may Allah Be Kind to u and show you the straight path before your last day on earth. Ameen.
Tawakkal3laAllah 3 years ago
b4 the scientists dsicovered that the iron were actually frm outerspace, for thousands of years the disbelievers disputed it, hw cme in the qur'an said that the iron is sent down frm outerspace yet we found iron by digging up the earth? just like u, many of them dead already, pity on them.
Tawakkal3laAllah 3 years ago
the Chapter 7 verse 26 of the qur'an that u r referring to, the word "clothing" that u use to translate, is actually the materials for making cloths. and indeed you r not translated it in full meaning.
Tawakkal3laAllah 3 years ago
@tawakkal3laallah..my dear its an old trick from muslims when they want to twist the meaning they say its not the correct translation ! come on man, its the translations of muslim scholars which i quoted not mine, its clear its stupidity and nothing else what you present on the names of miracles, stop lying my dear and open your eyes. there is no miracle in quran nor muhammad was able to perform one !
MindMasters 3 years ago
One quick point, the Surah you're quoting in terms of clothing didn't use the words "sent down", it used "bestowed", out of 3 of the authors of the English translation of the Qur'an, only one uses "sent down" in there translation.
DesertFoxx518 3 years ago
@DesertFoxx518..read the arabic and then see the word, in actual meaning its mean "Sent Down", the reason why translators had problem is obvious they want to hide the clear error from allah, we know that clothing or cloths can not be sent down by gods from heavens !!
apart from these errors there are literally hundereds of other errors in quran, some of them are exposed in my videos watch them and open ur eyes
MindMasters 3 years ago
Two translators disagree with you, as well as my father does. I have read it, just as my Dad has, Arabic and English are very different languages, and the translations are very "rough" in a sense, there is no direct translation for certain words in Arabic from English. If you don't believe me, look up the Arabic word for "of" and see if you find anything.
DesertFoxx518 3 years ago
@DesertFoxx518, again we r not talking about "of" we are talking about "sent down" the word is clear and everywhere in quran people translated as sent down, only here becaz its logical error, muslim translators try to hide it, have you ever wondered why ? if islam is true then why they have to lie ?
there are other examples, for example of word "Nikah", its acutaly mean "to penetrate" usualy in meaning of sexual relationship, not for marriage, as muslim trying to do, there r many exampels
MindMasters 3 years ago
So your saying I and my father are trying to hide the fact that the word in the Qur'an has closer meaning to "sent down" than it does to "bestowed"? As well as the most reliable translator, Yusuf Ali along with another author who both have different translations from each other on the meaning of the word? The word in question has a closer meaning to bestowed than it does to "sent down". Can you read Arabic?
DesertFoxx518 3 years ago
In fact the translation my father gave was also different to the authors, he translated the word as "given". So 3 different translations are given, all closer to the word "bestowed" rather than "sent down". You should look up these 3 authors and see for yourself.
DesertFoxx518 3 years ago
allah akbar,there are more miracles than iron in quran but i dont know what's wrrong with you you want to beleive just what you want but it's not a matter because scientists beleive in science and they found all they need in quran and they know what's the reality of islam .thank allah we didnt change any words in quran we didnt found any mistakes it and we are pround of it ,you have to learn about it because it's not good to make decision before
delasri1 3 years ago
allah akbar,there are more miracles than iron in quran but i dont know what's wrrong with you you want to beleive just what you want but it's not a matter because scientists beleive in science and they found all they need in quran and they know what's the reality of islam .thank allah we didnt change any words in quran we didnt found any mistakes it and we are pround of it ,you have to learn about it because it's not good to make decision before
delasri1 3 years ago
i guess some ppl (like the idiot that made this vid) are just born with less brain power eh?
NatsukaT 4 years ago
Good effort, you've just succesfully wasted 7 minutes of my life, respect ;)
Pardon my ignorance, but anyone mind telling me wtf that was about?
thx
lanceawatt 4 years ago
iron is not a natural earth element
it comes from shooting stars
the Quran states that Iron was SENT down
which confrims this new discovery
dreadedqb 3 years ago
well you might not think this quaran has most of the things on the video but it does inqlude most of the thing for 1500 years ago and dude im 10 and i know then you...
ragaiiscoolhhh 4 years ago
Yes of course God has no shape or form that's why the closes description of God to me would be a divine light (noor). I'm not talking about regular photon light but some thing unknown and mysterious yet powerful, some thing sacred, something divine and indescribable.
MeX2004 4 years ago
... And of course God is sitting on his throne because he is the creator of all the worlds in all the universes ( Al-Quran). By the way God is something indescribable something like divine light (Noor) so don't take it the wrong way, if you know what he meant by "sitting on throne".
MeX2004 4 years ago
The seven heavens mentioned in the Quran are beyond comprehension of current science. Just like science today doesn't know what black holes are why they are there and what they are doing at the center of every galaxy. Seven heavens mentioned in the Quran are for the future generations of human beings who are advanced enough to comprehend the concept of multiple Universes having multiple dimensions so that fellow creations could live without ever having the knowledge of existence of each other...
MeX2004 4 years ago
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Quran never changes, never has and never will. Only the modern interpretation of the verses of Quran updates and shows the modern discoveries made by science already mentioned in the Quran. Scientific facts mentioned in Quran such as creation of universe, big bang, vastness of the universe, expansion of the universe, existence of other worlds other than our own (We still don't know if other worlds other than our own exist for sure, nevertheless it is written in the Quran.) Believe it or not!
MeX2004 4 years ago
They say show us something written in the Quran which is not yet discovered by science.
* Here are few things written in the Quran you still don't know...*
MeX2004 4 years ago
interesting except that the Quran doesn't mention the earth's iron core or the process by which it was formed. It simply says "we sent down iron." This more closely represents meteoric iron which the ancient Egyptians knew about several thousand years before Muhhamad imagined the Quran in his own mind.
Clean97gti 4 years ago
Normally Iron can not be found in pure form. One exception is the iron from meteorites. Because of this iron was called "ore of the heavens" in ancient Egypt and Sumer (according to mineralienatlas(dot)de -- (sorry, it is German).
I think the verse just refers to knowledge that was common at that time but is not well known today.
Jeremias1111 4 years ago
So ALL the facts in this clips were already revealed 1500 years ago?
Thats not true. Nearly all of the statements in the video do NOT appear in the quran and are added to make the quran look more scientific than it really is.
UnsichtbarerGeist 4 years ago
Lies mal Sure 3, Vers 7 und Sure 17, Vers 82 dann Sure 4, Vers 82 Sure 4, Vers 82
BosKrajina 4 years ago
well you might not think this quaran has most of the things on the video but it does inqlude most of the thing for 1500 years ago and dude im 10 and i know then you...
ragaiiscoolhhh 4 years ago
Watch w.Harunyahya dot com for more Science and Qur'an
azibuddin 4 years ago
Allahu Akbar. Excellent video. Words couldnt describe.
Jazakallah.
shawaziii 4 years ago
@abbeydullah, Arab Christians and Arab Jews have used 'Allah' to refer to God long before the Muslims. Still today Arabic Bible uses 'Allah' to refer to God. So, stop posting ignorant comments with profanity and educate yourself. Thanks.
servant2000 4 years ago
When was the last time you spoke to him/it?
abbeydullah 4 years ago
Maschallah
streetbabi 4 years ago
[36:7] It has been predetermined that most of them do not believe.
[36:8] For we place around their necks shackles, up to their chins. Consequently, they become locked in their disbelief.
[36:9] And we place a barrier in front of them, and a barrier behind them, and thus, we veil them; they cannot see.
[36:10] It is the same whether you warn them or not, they cannot believe.
ma151 4 years ago
ma151
the verses you quoted here are exactly fittig for INSELAFFE67 and PHIPPI46 with their strange comments .
though i've read those honourable verses from the sura of YASSIN hundreds of times , after all these debates along the u-tube pages , i feel that i read these verses for the 1rst time in my life.
NEWHEKTOR 4 years ago
Stop plaquing science with religion, no one sent down iron.
krapsicle 4 years ago
Yeah Allah may have sent Iron and even fucking McDoanlds to earth but WHAT do the SAVAGES do with the iron that "God sent them"? Murder, slaughter, death, kill....Islam, a fucking backward bunch of bollocks.
inselaffe67 4 years ago
why do you be so negarive bush is an example of hitler we r the victims (arabs) and seek for truth its out there .its just like in ww2 .
althani1991 4 years ago
As-salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh. May Allah reward you for that, ameen.
ricky8813 4 years ago
Allahu Akbar!!!
SkeletonFroster 4 years ago
@skeletonFroster.. I think u know that Allah sent down Cows as well !! so are they came down like Iron ??
phippi46 4 years ago
lol i wanted to upload this video but i couldn't for some reason XD
anyway, Subhanallah!
NinjaIbo 4 years ago
A miracle No doubt God is the greatest Allahu akbar
Ramox3 5 years ago