This is shockingly relevant stuff if you look at Ninja Gaiden 3. In one of the gameplay vids Ryu (main character) is faced with a soldier who is begging for his life. Ryu stands still and the player can only move him forward to the soldier who is walking backwards and begging. Then when pressed against the wall the player has to press X to kill him. No choice.
Ryu never had much character but this kinda first person moment ruins him, makes him a jackass and giving me no control.
Nah extra credz used alot of deep thought but it fails on this one , kratos over the course of 5 games (psp) goes thru change, but its not like the change a theif turned good guy typical nathan drake change, he represents hope, however he's not able to tap into that, because of his rage. in the 2nd and 3rd games kratos wife and child calliope FORGAVE HIM and in the third game and most important KRATOS FORGAVE HIMSELF. kratos a throws life and limb out to protect family as with demos his brother
No commentary on how Cratos pretty much destroys the world through his actions in the 3rd game, but we're still meant to think of his as a good guy because he gave the humans "hope"?
Hey, Cratos, you know what would've been better than Hope? You not flooding the world, blocking out the sun and killing all plant life on Earth. I don't see how us being optimistic makes up for that.
The greek Gods themselves were evil in that game. kratos represents hope in its purest form. other than other game where you just shoot a bunch of people hell even games like uncharted. in the Gow games i felt that i had a goal a reason. and extra credz fails on the fact that the main story is forgivness. his wife and daughter forgave him. and in the third game HE FORGAVE HIMSELF.
@TheBowserone Again, hard to represent hope when he pretty much cast horrors far greater than the Evils in Pandora's Box into the world. There's no sun, everything is flooded, plant life is all dead.
Plus, for a game about forgiveness, he sure does seek a LOT of revenge, and regret exactly NONE of it. Plus, ths Gods did just; he was abusing his powers, so they took them away.
When Power-hungry womanizer Zeus tells you you've gone too far, you've gone too far.
@BalmungSama0 Woah! keep in mind it is an action game..NOT A FEATURE FILM. and the world ISNT dead. the creators specifically said kratos is the reason why we dont believe in the greek gods anymore. at the end of the third game he CHOSE to sacrifice himself and give the knowledge of athena too the people much to her dismay...that dosnt sound heartless..my point its that kratos comes full circle much like any other tragic hero its not just violence violence VIOLENCE like some ppl wana believe
I actually changed perspective in a short story as the main character died. The epilogue had changed perspective, as to accentuate the passing. I think it worked, gave it a sense of closure.
This seems like a case of overanalyzing what is basically a full on action series. Its a miracle that it has a story to begin with (and a decent one in GoW1). Whenever you make a sequel, its always going to be forced to try and get the character into another adventure, when part 1 already closed the story pretty well. Its not like Uncharted, where they clearly leave the ending open to more sequels every single time. God of War's strength lies in a character who basically is one consistent jerk.
I have a different approach.Yes,Kratos realized that his journey was just a pointless attempt for redemption in GOW1,he understood that he was just a shadow the man he used to be...But that doesnt mean he can do anything abou it! Kratos is basically torn apart by what he was and what he has become, fightin his own self. Thats where the rage comes from. His soul is a battlefield and he cannot escape.Thats why its so frightening to witness his empty actions. In the end of GOW3 we have no choice.
I delayed watching this video until playing GoW3 and even forgot about it. Now that I saw it, I thank you! I'm not alone with my opinion! It's just what I've thought and even told a friend other day!
Kratos was all Classic Greek: the values of a noble warrior, the errors he can't avoid and the punishment he also can't avoid. But then he was turned into a mass sociopath.
And when my screen was covered with blood, I thought the game had frozen.
This, to date, is probably my favorite video you've done. I have always felt this way about the series, but had a very hard time putting it into words. You made it happen, so thank you.
In the first-person section, it could also be said that you, the player, is a "god" controlling Kratos. Your "decision" to massacre all the Olympians doomed Kratos from any form of redemption. Your "game" to battle through hordes of mythical creatures and ancient gods left the world in the brink of destruction.
But, that was probably not what the developers have in mind and I am just looking too deep into things.
i cant believe these are the top comments. first off mrejj04 what choice do u speak of. i didnt find this a choice at all. and Dean Antip0p seriously. Thats what the ending at 1 was essentially. so just proof that they didnt come up with any original storyline and essentially copied and pasted the first game across to 2 sequels to make money.
@SenorStocks Oh yes, that's nice. Insult a well-thought out and intelligent commentary with a degrading remark towards a group of people that get enough hate without you already and no actual explanation as to why you don't like it. You are easily the smartest person to comment on this video.
@EdgeyvonKarma Lol, well thought out and intelligent, don't make me laugh. Pretentious and condescending is more like it. Go and watch James' 2 part monstrosity, if that doesn't scream pathetic faggot loser I don't know what does.
@SenorStocks Well, what else do you expect? That we're going to bow down to your barrage of unimaginative insults and accept it as gospel? Because that won't happen. People will banter with you for a while and then dismiss you as a troll (not that I'm not calling you one, just so we'll avoid that conversation).
@SenorStocks Too bad. Your persistence made you sound like a man with an agenda, I was actually on the verge of helping you out. But now I see you're pretty much a lost cause. Too bad, you could be something more than just a troll.
@SenorStocks So you're being a dick to people for it's own sake, but run out of the ideas as soon as someone challenges you. Come on man, you can do better.
@SenorStocks Oh yeah, just because someone feels emotion that means it's okay to throw homophobic bullshit at them and act like you're superior because you disagree. Yep. You are definitely superior to me and James and everyone on the Internet that disagrees with you.
Everything in this video applies to the Call of Duty franchise as well. Except instead of only the first being good, it's the first few games, up until Modern Warfare, and from there everything just went downhill on rocket powered roller blades.
Yeah GoW3 is phenomenal in so many ways but story? no. one of the worst stories of any game ever. It is a testament to the games design that I've played through it 5 times just for the gameplay but I always stop playing towards the end because I just can't deal with the absurd level of stupidity and lack of thought in the writing, especially for a series that started SO strong in this regard.
I would agree with this completely... except the storytelling was crap from game one. I mean, did we even play the same game? There was no "redemptive awakening." There was only the desire to be rid of his nightmares, to forget that night, and when all other methods failed him, he tried to choose oblivion. I didn't see a single shred of remorse for any collateral damage from his rampage. I didn't see guilt. I only saw revenge and someone wishing they could take a dip in the river lethe.
god of war 3 - rage is full u inherently destroy everyone and everything in your path and have a soft spot for a doll after killing her creator/father....what?
to completely understand why kratos ignored what he learned in the first game you should play ghost os sparta, the reason for kratos revenge was that zeus killed his mother, brother and almost all of sparta, in ghost of sparta you get to see how much kratos was respected and loves by his fellow spartans and that way you get to understand all of his rage
@faustalchemist they also failed to point out how the Gods became pure evil tyrants also with nothing redeeming either. I love this show but they tend to ignore obvious facts in games to nitpick like they did in this and the Skyrim opening one and at times really turns me off
@darthragnhild the point of the video wasn't to discuss everyone else in the game, it was to discuss Kratos, as he is the character the player follows. Having a bad guy be irredeemable is normal, having a main protagonist be irredeemable is obnoxious. Also, what "obvious" fact did they ignore in Skyrim?
I think the biggest problem with the two later GoW's is it was meant to end in the first one obviously by viewing the ending. Since the first one did so damn well they needed to make excuses to keep it going and that is what we got. I don't mind the story what so ever. They played on the fact his memories being left drove him even more insane than normal
The same general sentiment is expressed in the GOW vet community. At least, GodModeGod has expressed the former view, while several of the other vets have expressed the latter.
@Stephenxs ..So he goes on a rampage killing an entire pantheon, forgetting all the regret he had in the first game about killing several people and one God, in order to then kill himself in the end to release Pandora's Box, probably the most terrifying thing ever for humanity.
Yeah. Sure sounds like he learned his lesson from the first game alright. /Sarcasm.
That's the problem. He didn't learn anything. He went full-on retard and forgot the lessons from GoW to justify his actions in GoW III.
@Brovo200 he did learn when pandora went to put out the flame of olympus he protests even though he knew she needed to do beat zeus. Kratos in GOW wouldn't have cared.
And what else can u do to stop the gods. Invite them to dinner to talk over it cause u have morals? no u kill them.
u can't just look at the ends of both games and say "herp derp the same hes a retard" theres more to the story than that
I think the biggest problem was jaffe leaving the series . I think he had a specific vision for the trilogy but I think it went away from that once he left
@tyblood87 Exactly. I could not agree more. I loved his philosophy (paraphrasing) "I'm not out to be one of those annoying companies that says 'hey! we're making a trilogy!' If the first games sucks, we're done." He goes on to say "Who's to say what's right and wrong with Greek mythology? Isn't mythology just that? A MYTH?!" This approach to GoW makes me have made respect for Jaffe.
@DeanAntip0p God of War already did that. He killed a God, realized his actions, and threw himself into the sea probably with the intention to die. God of War III copying God of War's ending and making it bloodier is not good story telling, it's ignoring the fact that there was a God of War I and forcing Kratos into full-on retard mode by failing to learn anything and just repeating what he already did. :p
@Brovo200 god of war 3 is still unique. God of war 1 was a personal quest of revenge and god of war 3 was kratos destroying the ruling system of the gods he didn't believe in. And he didn't kill him self in 3 cause of self hate thats only part of it. antena wanted what was in to panadoras's box which was inside kratos so he kills himself to release it into the world. so its not repeating :p
I pretty much agree with this assessment. GoW1 is a masterpiece of game storytelling, bringing everything good about the ancient methods of Greek tragedy kicking and screaming into the new medium. Then II and III were, while still a blast, pretty much just excuse plots for killing monsters and, while that certainly has a place, I don't think GoW was that place. This is one of my favorite episodes.
great video but i thought the first person persecutive was great. it gave the players a immersive view kratos's final moment of revenge. i disagree with haven't a choice at the end. it would seem really tacky since there haven't been choices in the series and i want to know what kratos would do ,not what i want to do.
This is exactly the problem I have with God of War. I can acknowledge that gameplay-wise it's very damn good. But because of who I'm playing, because of why I'm doing what I'm doing, the setting the motivation the character, I can't have fun doing it, because I'm playing a monster and I HATE playing a monster! It's that moment at the end of the first, that Heel realization, that made the first game bearable to me. The second and third....just...ugh.
Mortal men can destroy the gods it's in everybody to take control of fate and destiny and defies every path ordained for us, i love god of war it did make me think after the game was over to a while to discover when said and do i think it made me look more at Greek history and stories too. i'm gonna say i took more from this than Bioshock when i looked up ann randan.
But you forgot to mention that in the end when you jump into Kratos' head, if you keep just sitting there beating Zeus nothing happens other than the screen going rea. They literally give you the option of going back to the normal way of doing things and trying to kill everything, or realize that it's time to stop. That was a really good choice in my opinion.
@mrejj04 You beat zeus to death that is the normal way of doing things. Sure you can keep going for a long time but all that really does is break the immersion because as soon as you stop he explodes which really should of happened soon after he died rather than when you finished attacking him.
@RTDice11 as an industry and, by extension as customers we need to show that this is a medium capable of art and story. the dramatic decline of God of War from an excellent game all around to a caricature of itself and a mockery of aristotelian drama is nothing short of an insult to all gamers. derp i juz wunted tuu kill stuff has no place in something that started out with meaning and purpose.
@RagnaroekChaos You're forgetting the most important purpose of a videogame, to entertain. Jesus fuck, remember that? Entertainment? Back when the most depth you could get out of a game was what the color of the guys you were supposed to kill were? I spent 30 dollars on GOW III to have fun. Was it as emotionally investing as Bioshock or Uncharted? No. Was it hell'a fun to play? You bet your sweet ass it was.
I would link something in response to this, but youtube is an ass, so just google "Extra Credits art is not the opposite of fun" to see my response to this stupidity and admission of willful ignorance.
@RTDice11 I'm repeating what romanmonaghan said because he didn't respond directly to you: google "Extra Credits art is not the opposite of fun", analyzing games like this does not make them less fun. Or are you suggesting that picking apart the story of GOW3 to make better stories in the future really diminishes the fun you had with the game?
@raizumichin I've watched the episode, and in this case, I just don't care. If you played the game and enjoyed it, you got your money's worth. Perhaps it's because I never played GOW1, but when I bought GOW3 I knew that all I was getting was a rage-filled gorefest. And I was cool with that.
@RTDice11 Oh, that explains it. I agree that GOW3 is still pretty fun gameplay-wise, but it's a far inferior game to the first one. Picking apart why that happened will not in any way make GOW3 less fun, but will hopefully make GOW4 better.
@RTDice11 Did I say it wasn't fun? Maybe you should watch the Extra Credits episode about how art is not contradictory to fun before making any arguments that are not worth the effort.
It's interesting how Extra Credits started out on Random Topics like this, whereas now it talks more about the industry as a whole and how it improve itself. Sure topics like this, like with Metroid: Other M and the Zombies episode, are still made, but are less frequent.
Actually the last few minutes of GOW III is one of my favorite minutes in the series. It seems like once he finally got what he wanted as far as killing Zeus, he realized it was for nothing and his blind rage was only allowing him to be controlled the same thing he went on this vendetta for. He realizes he is a monster and kills himself as a last resort to save the world from himself and to cleanse the world anew.
@DeanAntip0p Didn't he make that realisation at the end of GOW 1? What was the point in the other two games if the resolution was exactly the same as in the original?
@Superfreak937 That war itself is inevitably evil and seeks destruction for destruction's sake, no matter what the intentions are of those who wage it.
Also, in the end, revenge is a vicious cycle that ends in utter misery and despair, and best avoided at all costs.
I think they over analyzed God of War a bit too much, as I honestly thought Kratos BARELY had any redeeming qualities. Maybe I'm just not a huge fan of Greek Tragedy.
@Carlitonsp1 I think that is to a degree the point they were making.
God of War 1 WAS worthy of being over analysed.
They genuinely put a lot of work in to the story, taking elements from many famous greek tragedies and merging all elements of the storytelling incredibly well.
God of War 2 and 3 didn't put anywhere near that level of effort in to the story, they were just relatively generic action stories.
They were still brilliant games, but not nearly as provocative as the first.
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This is shockingly relevant stuff if you look at Ninja Gaiden 3. In one of the gameplay vids Ryu (main character) is faced with a soldier who is begging for his life. Ryu stands still and the player can only move him forward to the soldier who is walking backwards and begging. Then when pressed against the wall the player has to press X to kill him. No choice.
Ryu never had much character but this kinda first person moment ruins him, makes him a jackass and giving me no control.
endplanets 2 weeks ago
@endplanets umm actually you do get a choice the developers have said multiple time =s you can leave the henchman to hench another day
ShadowSpore98 1 week ago
Nah extra credz used alot of deep thought but it fails on this one , kratos over the course of 5 games (psp) goes thru change, but its not like the change a theif turned good guy typical nathan drake change, he represents hope, however he's not able to tap into that, because of his rage. in the 2nd and 3rd games kratos wife and child calliope FORGAVE HIM and in the third game and most important KRATOS FORGAVE HIMSELF. kratos a throws life and limb out to protect family as with demos his brother
TheBowserone 2 weeks ago
No commentary on how Cratos pretty much destroys the world through his actions in the 3rd game, but we're still meant to think of his as a good guy because he gave the humans "hope"?
Hey, Cratos, you know what would've been better than Hope? You not flooding the world, blocking out the sun and killing all plant life on Earth. I don't see how us being optimistic makes up for that.
BalmungSama0 3 weeks ago
@BalmungSama0
The greek Gods themselves were evil in that game. kratos represents hope in its purest form. other than other game where you just shoot a bunch of people hell even games like uncharted. in the Gow games i felt that i had a goal a reason. and extra credz fails on the fact that the main story is forgivness. his wife and daughter forgave him. and in the third game HE FORGAVE HIMSELF.
TheBowserone 2 weeks ago
@TheBowserone Again, hard to represent hope when he pretty much cast horrors far greater than the Evils in Pandora's Box into the world. There's no sun, everything is flooded, plant life is all dead.
Plus, for a game about forgiveness, he sure does seek a LOT of revenge, and regret exactly NONE of it. Plus, ths Gods did just; he was abusing his powers, so they took them away.
When Power-hungry womanizer Zeus tells you you've gone too far, you've gone too far.
BalmungSama0 2 weeks ago
@BalmungSama0 Woah! keep in mind it is an action game..NOT A FEATURE FILM. and the world ISNT dead. the creators specifically said kratos is the reason why we dont believe in the greek gods anymore. at the end of the third game he CHOSE to sacrifice himself and give the knowledge of athena too the people much to her dismay...that dosnt sound heartless..my point its that kratos comes full circle much like any other tragic hero its not just violence violence VIOLENCE like some ppl wana believe
TheBowserone 2 weeks ago
I actually changed perspective in a short story as the main character died. The epilogue had changed perspective, as to accentuate the passing. I think it worked, gave it a sense of closure.
AvaAvaneDawn 3 weeks ago
Not just children's shows. JRPGs, too.
DoctorCakey 3 weeks ago
@infringementMAN Indeed, dear sir, indeed.
Brovo200 4 weeks ago
@faheybo Indeed.
Brovo200 1 month ago
This seems like a case of overanalyzing what is basically a full on action series. Its a miracle that it has a story to begin with (and a decent one in GoW1). Whenever you make a sequel, its always going to be forced to try and get the character into another adventure, when part 1 already closed the story pretty well. Its not like Uncharted, where they clearly leave the ending open to more sequels every single time. God of War's strength lies in a character who basically is one consistent jerk.
Imaculata 1 month ago
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rubino83 1 month ago
I have a different approach.Yes,Kratos realized that his journey was just a pointless attempt for redemption in GOW1,he understood that he was just a shadow the man he used to be...But that doesnt mean he can do anything abou it! Kratos is basically torn apart by what he was and what he has become, fightin his own self. Thats where the rage comes from. His soul is a battlefield and he cannot escape.Thats why its so frightening to witness his empty actions. In the end of GOW3 we have no choice.
TheFlik92 1 month ago 2
why are all the comments so retarded?
3Dusanv 1 month ago
@3Dusanv Because this is the internet :D
KampfKiewi245 1 month ago
ugh that is some obsolete pony. Moreover bad lines dont belong anywhere, same as teletubbies have no right to exist.
635574 1 month ago
I delayed watching this video until playing GoW3 and even forgot about it. Now that I saw it, I thank you! I'm not alone with my opinion! It's just what I've thought and even told a friend other day!
Kratos was all Classic Greek: the values of a noble warrior, the errors he can't avoid and the punishment he also can't avoid. But then he was turned into a mass sociopath.
And when my screen was covered with blood, I thought the game had frozen.
CrissSpiegel 1 month ago
for some reason I can't view this video
corpral 1 month ago
This, to date, is probably my favorite video you've done. I have always felt this way about the series, but had a very hard time putting it into words. You made it happen, so thank you.
linkandluigi56 1 month ago
@linkandluigi56 Totally agreed!
Encaitaron 1 month ago
I can't even remember anything from the end or any part of GoW 3.
FiveInstincts 1 month ago
In the first-person section, it could also be said that you, the player, is a "god" controlling Kratos. Your "decision" to massacre all the Olympians doomed Kratos from any form of redemption. Your "game" to battle through hordes of mythical creatures and ancient gods left the world in the brink of destruction.
But, that was probably not what the developers have in mind and I am just looking too deep into things.
ZzAtHome 1 month ago 2
i cant believe these are the top comments. first off mrejj04 what choice do u speak of. i didnt find this a choice at all. and Dean Antip0p seriously. Thats what the ending at 1 was essentially. so just proof that they didnt come up with any original storyline and essentially copied and pasted the first game across to 2 sequels to make money.
jweezee100 1 month ago 6
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You guys are faggots!
SenorStocks 1 month ago
@SenorStocks Oh yes, that's nice. Insult a well-thought out and intelligent commentary with a degrading remark towards a group of people that get enough hate without you already and no actual explanation as to why you don't like it. You are easily the smartest person to comment on this video.
EdgeyvonKarma 1 month ago
@EdgeyvonKarma Lol, well thought out and intelligent, don't make me laugh. Pretentious and condescending is more like it. Go and watch James' 2 part monstrosity, if that doesn't scream pathetic faggot loser I don't know what does.
SenorStocks 1 month ago
@SenorStocks Actually, calling people "pathetic faggot loser" at all says more about you than them. Zing!
raizumichin 1 month ago
@raizumichin I disagree. Also, writing "zing" after your own comment makes you look like a twat.
SenorStocks 1 month ago
@SenorStocks Doesn't really matter if you agree or not, of you keep hurling insults like that we're going to keep judging you.
And you'll have to admit; as twattish as it might seem, that was a perfect use of the word zing.
raizumichin 1 month ago
@raizumichin Oh no, the extra credits defence force is going to judge me! Please don't! No, it really wasn't.
SenorStocks 1 month ago
@SenorStocks Well, what else do you expect? That we're going to bow down to your barrage of unimaginative insults and accept it as gospel? Because that won't happen. People will banter with you for a while and then dismiss you as a troll (not that I'm not calling you one, just so we'll avoid that conversation).
raizumichin 1 month ago
@raizumichin I don't expect anything.
SenorStocks 1 month ago
@SenorStocks So you tell people they're faggots for it's own sake?
raizumichin 1 month ago
@raizumichin Yep. I do what I want, because I can. I don't need a reason. Not only that, these guys really are faggots.
SenorStocks 1 month ago
@SenorStocks Too bad. Your persistence made you sound like a man with an agenda, I was actually on the verge of helping you out. But now I see you're pretty much a lost cause. Too bad, you could be something more than just a troll.
raizumichin 1 month ago
@raizumichin Lol, ok.
SenorStocks 1 month ago
@SenorStocks I mean, you obviously care. You wouldn't be here otherwise.
raizumichin 1 month ago
@raizumichin If that's what you need to believe.
SenorStocks 1 month ago
@SenorStocks Don't have to when you keep proving me right. Zing!
raizumichin 1 month ago
@raizumichin Again with the self congratulatory "zing". Son, I are disappoint.
SenorStocks 1 month ago
@SenorStocks Oh, it's so delightful to see you finally admit that you do care. I knew that you would if I just kept bothering you.
raizumichin 1 month ago
@raizumichin Yeah... no.
SenorStocks 1 month ago
@SenorStocks The more you deny it the more you prove it. It's like reverse trolling, basically.
raizumichin 1 month ago
@raizumichin Yeah... no.
SenorStocks 1 month ago
@SenorStocks So you're being a dick to people for it's own sake, but run out of the ideas as soon as someone challenges you. Come on man, you can do better.
raizumichin 1 month ago
@SenorStocks Oh yeah, just because someone feels emotion that means it's okay to throw homophobic bullshit at them and act like you're superior because you disagree. Yep. You are definitely superior to me and James and everyone on the Internet that disagrees with you.
EdgeyvonKarma 1 month ago
@EdgeyvonKarma Good, you're catching on now. I am superior, and James is a faggot.
SenorStocks 1 month ago
this is the kind of watered-down series for 13 year olds who equate blood splatter with entertainment.
BassLiberators 1 month ago 3
Everything in this video applies to the Call of Duty franchise as well. Except instead of only the first being good, it's the first few games, up until Modern Warfare, and from there everything just went downhill on rocket powered roller blades.
qaiex 1 month ago
I loved the first GoW. After playing GoW2, I gave up on any potential sequels.
The1truesushiboy 1 month ago
Yeah GoW3 is phenomenal in so many ways but story? no. one of the worst stories of any game ever. It is a testament to the games design that I've played through it 5 times just for the gameplay but I always stop playing towards the end because I just can't deal with the absurd level of stupidity and lack of thought in the writing, especially for a series that started SO strong in this regard.
TheLazyAza 1 month ago
I would agree with this completely... except the storytelling was crap from game one. I mean, did we even play the same game? There was no "redemptive awakening." There was only the desire to be rid of his nightmares, to forget that night, and when all other methods failed him, he tried to choose oblivion. I didn't see a single shred of remorse for any collateral damage from his rampage. I didn't see guilt. I only saw revenge and someone wishing they could take a dip in the river lethe.
SilvasRuin 1 month ago
god of war 1 - greek tragity
god of war 2 - 50% rage, the cup if half full
god of war 3 - rage is full u inherently destroy everyone and everything in your path and have a soft spot for a doll after killing her creator/father....what?
its bad lol
whowhatwhenwatch 1 month ago
@whowhatwhenwatch Inherently, eh?
nonzz3ro 1 month ago
to completely understand why kratos ignored what he learned in the first game you should play ghost os sparta, the reason for kratos revenge was that zeus killed his mother, brother and almost all of sparta, in ghost of sparta you get to see how much kratos was respected and loves by his fellow spartans and that way you get to understand all of his rage
faustalchemist 1 month ago
@faustalchemist they also failed to point out how the Gods became pure evil tyrants also with nothing redeeming either. I love this show but they tend to ignore obvious facts in games to nitpick like they did in this and the Skyrim opening one and at times really turns me off
darthragnhild 1 month ago
@darthragnhild the point of the video wasn't to discuss everyone else in the game, it was to discuss Kratos, as he is the character the player follows. Having a bad guy be irredeemable is normal, having a main protagonist be irredeemable is obnoxious. Also, what "obvious" fact did they ignore in Skyrim?
tirone231 1 month ago
I think the biggest problem with the two later GoW's is it was meant to end in the first one obviously by viewing the ending. Since the first one did so damn well they needed to make excuses to keep it going and that is what we got. I don't mind the story what so ever. They played on the fact his memories being left drove him even more insane than normal
darthragnhild 1 month ago
what about War from Darksiders?
he had a reason to be angry (granted he was a bit of a dick at times).
ShadowWolfRising 1 month ago
Allow me to respectfully disagree.
MirakeiManiac 1 month ago
god of war 2 was the best game overall but god of war 1 had the best story.
Krykanubis 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Krykanubis
The same general sentiment is expressed in the GOW vet community. At least, GodModeGod has expressed the former view, while several of the other vets have expressed the latter.
GOWII has the most hated storyline.
MrNobody47710 1 month ago
"You were expecting a picture weren't you?"
I lol'd. XD
youtubian2500 1 month ago
Gods, I love these guys. I'm going to go back and rewatch all their old vids. :D
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Bobbiethejean 1 month ago
@Stephenxs ..So he goes on a rampage killing an entire pantheon, forgetting all the regret he had in the first game about killing several people and one God, in order to then kill himself in the end to release Pandora's Box, probably the most terrifying thing ever for humanity.
Yeah. Sure sounds like he learned his lesson from the first game alright. /Sarcasm.
That's the problem. He didn't learn anything. He went full-on retard and forgot the lessons from GoW to justify his actions in GoW III.
Brovo200 1 month ago 13
@Brovo200 he did learn when pandora went to put out the flame of olympus he protests even though he knew she needed to do beat zeus. Kratos in GOW wouldn't have cared.
And what else can u do to stop the gods. Invite them to dinner to talk over it cause u have morals? no u kill them.
u can't just look at the ends of both games and say "herp derp the same hes a retard" theres more to the story than that
Stephenxs 1 month ago
@Brovo200 Never go full retard
faheybo 1 month ago
@Brovo200 And as we all know, never go full retard.
infringementMAN 4 weeks ago
I think the biggest problem was jaffe leaving the series . I think he had a specific vision for the trilogy but I think it went away from that once he left
tyblood87 1 month ago
@tyblood87 Exactly. I could not agree more. I loved his philosophy (paraphrasing) "I'm not out to be one of those annoying companies that says 'hey! we're making a trilogy!' If the first games sucks, we're done." He goes on to say "Who's to say what's right and wrong with Greek mythology? Isn't mythology just that? A MYTH?!" This approach to GoW makes me have made respect for Jaffe.
theredviola 1 month ago
@DeanAntip0p God of War already did that. He killed a God, realized his actions, and threw himself into the sea probably with the intention to die. God of War III copying God of War's ending and making it bloodier is not good story telling, it's ignoring the fact that there was a God of War I and forcing Kratos into full-on retard mode by failing to learn anything and just repeating what he already did. :p
Brovo200 1 month ago 4
@Brovo200 god of war 3 is still unique. God of war 1 was a personal quest of revenge and god of war 3 was kratos destroying the ruling system of the gods he didn't believe in. And he didn't kill him self in 3 cause of self hate thats only part of it. antena wanted what was in to panadoras's box which was inside kratos so he kills himself to release it into the world. so its not repeating :p
Stephenxs 1 month ago
I pretty much agree with this assessment. GoW1 is a masterpiece of game storytelling, bringing everything good about the ancient methods of Greek tragedy kicking and screaming into the new medium. Then II and III were, while still a blast, pretty much just excuse plots for killing monsters and, while that certainly has a place, I don't think GoW was that place. This is one of my favorite episodes.
Jeroic9 1 month ago
So storytelling-wise, it is best to consider God of War a single, stand alone game. This may be true of many series. Like say, Star Wars.
theantithesis1 1 month ago
great video but i thought the first person persecutive was great. it gave the players a immersive view kratos's final moment of revenge. i disagree with haven't a choice at the end. it would seem really tacky since there haven't been choices in the series and i want to know what kratos would do ,not what i want to do.
Stephenxs 1 month ago
This is exactly the problem I have with God of War. I can acknowledge that gameplay-wise it's very damn good. But because of who I'm playing, because of why I'm doing what I'm doing, the setting the motivation the character, I can't have fun doing it, because I'm playing a monster and I HATE playing a monster! It's that moment at the end of the first, that Heel realization, that made the first game bearable to me. The second and third....just...ugh.
CecilHoshino 1 month ago
Mortal men can destroy the gods it's in everybody to take control of fate and destiny and defies every path ordained for us, i love god of war it did make me think after the game was over to a while to discover when said and do i think it made me look more at Greek history and stories too. i'm gonna say i took more from this than Bioshock when i looked up ann randan.
BahamutDKing 1 month ago
I like the episodes being posted on youtube. Please keep it up
cowman1313 1 month ago
You said pantheon. You mean parthenon
Kfarineau 1 month ago
@Kfarineau No, its pantheon
HopeTify 1 month ago
@Kfarineau nvm, i see what you did there :P
HopeTify 1 month ago
@Kfarineau No, he meant pantheon. They were talking about Kratos killing all the gods, not him destroying the temple of Athena.
IXPrometheusXI 1 month ago
But you forgot to mention that in the end when you jump into Kratos' head, if you keep just sitting there beating Zeus nothing happens other than the screen going rea. They literally give you the option of going back to the normal way of doing things and trying to kill everything, or realize that it's time to stop. That was a really good choice in my opinion.
mrejj04 1 month ago 12
@mrejj04 You beat zeus to death that is the normal way of doing things. Sure you can keep going for a long time but all that really does is break the immersion because as soon as you stop he explodes which really should of happened soon after he died rather than when you finished attacking him.
Mehcide 1 month ago
I played GOW to murder.
I got murder.
I am satisfied.
RTDice11 1 month ago
@RTDice11 which is why you missed the entire point.
TheMajinTrunks 1 month ago 2
@RTDice11 you are a sad individual.and possibly really sick.
RagnaroekChaos 1 month ago
@RagnaroekChaos Come on, have you seriously never played a game like Saint's Row or GTA just to blow off some steam and wreak some havoc?
Binerexis 1 month ago
@RagnaroekChaos What the hell else did you buy it for? THE PLOT?
RTDice11 1 month ago
@RTDice11 as an industry and, by extension as customers we need to show that this is a medium capable of art and story. the dramatic decline of God of War from an excellent game all around to a caricature of itself and a mockery of aristotelian drama is nothing short of an insult to all gamers. derp i juz wunted tuu kill stuff has no place in something that started out with meaning and purpose.
RagnaroekChaos 1 month ago
@RagnaroekChaos You're forgetting the most important purpose of a videogame, to entertain. Jesus fuck, remember that? Entertainment? Back when the most depth you could get out of a game was what the color of the guys you were supposed to kill were? I spent 30 dollars on GOW III to have fun. Was it as emotionally investing as Bioshock or Uncharted? No. Was it hell'a fun to play? You bet your sweet ass it was.
RTDice11 1 month ago
I would link something in response to this, but youtube is an ass, so just google "Extra Credits art is not the opposite of fun" to see my response to this stupidity and admission of willful ignorance.
romanmonaghan 1 month ago
@RTDice11 I'm repeating what romanmonaghan said because he didn't respond directly to you: google "Extra Credits art is not the opposite of fun", analyzing games like this does not make them less fun. Or are you suggesting that picking apart the story of GOW3 to make better stories in the future really diminishes the fun you had with the game?
raizumichin 1 month ago
@raizumichin I've watched the episode, and in this case, I just don't care. If you played the game and enjoyed it, you got your money's worth. Perhaps it's because I never played GOW1, but when I bought GOW3 I knew that all I was getting was a rage-filled gorefest. And I was cool with that.
RTDice11 1 month ago
@RTDice11 Oh, that explains it. I agree that GOW3 is still pretty fun gameplay-wise, but it's a far inferior game to the first one. Picking apart why that happened will not in any way make GOW3 less fun, but will hopefully make GOW4 better.
raizumichin 1 month ago
@RTDice11 Did I say it wasn't fun? Maybe you should watch the Extra Credits episode about how art is not contradictory to fun before making any arguments that are not worth the effort.
RagnaroekChaos 1 month ago
still need to play God of War 1....
Callise 1 month ago
I love how you looked deeply into a game! Spoke about the story and analyzed it! i LOVE episodes like this!
Callise 1 month ago
It's interesting how Extra Credits started out on Random Topics like this, whereas now it talks more about the industry as a whole and how it improve itself. Sure topics like this, like with Metroid: Other M and the Zombies episode, are still made, but are less frequent.
Rubberman202 1 month ago
I never got the gripe with the FPV.
Switching to 1st person isn't just a shift in narrative.
It's a narrowing of perspective, and lessons your awareness of your surroundings.
It's a good way to intensify game-play, since it forces you to focus on what's in front of you, and the camera becomes less steady.
So you could just say that the perspective shift was to signify Kratos's focus on annihilation Zeus.
Not that that excuses all of the other stuff.
DakNJaxter 1 month ago 2
Margaret Atwood: "3rd to 1st person in the last few chapters? I'd... I'd never do that... *throws "The Edible Woman" into a bin* Nope, never."
SuperDisser 1 month ago
Actually the last few minutes of GOW III is one of my favorite minutes in the series. It seems like once he finally got what he wanted as far as killing Zeus, he realized it was for nothing and his blind rage was only allowing him to be controlled the same thing he went on this vendetta for. He realizes he is a monster and kills himself as a last resort to save the world from himself and to cleanse the world anew.
DeanAntip0p 1 month ago 21
@DeanAntip0p Not at all how I took it. He killed himself because he was, in the end, still deprived of his wife. I saw it all as purely selfish.
Kujakuseki01 1 month ago
@DeanAntip0p Then they decided to change all that with a GoW 4...
Jyagos1 1 month ago
@DeanAntip0p Didn't he make that realisation at the end of GOW 1? What was the point in the other two games if the resolution was exactly the same as in the original?
Superfreak937 1 month ago 6
@Superfreak937
money.
nerdinthebackroom 1 month ago
@Superfreak937 That war itself is inevitably evil and seeks destruction for destruction's sake, no matter what the intentions are of those who wage it.
Also, in the end, revenge is a vicious cycle that ends in utter misery and despair, and best avoided at all costs.
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@Superfreak937 profit
Buddharta 6 days ago
@DeanAntip0p Spoilers, man! Spoilers!
Lekelly99 1 month ago
@DeanAntip0p Yeah, in other words they just retold the exact same story from the first game, but with none of the chemistry.
GonetoSleep21 1 month ago
when is the live stream gone get up on youtube??
svenning28 1 month ago
I have to go with Yhatzee on this one: Kratos shouldn't be relateable with us, not anymore. Like Batman...
timelessoneak 1 month ago
I think they over analyzed God of War a bit too much, as I honestly thought Kratos BARELY had any redeeming qualities. Maybe I'm just not a huge fan of Greek Tragedy.
Carlitonsp1 1 month ago
@Carlitonsp1 I think that is to a degree the point they were making.
God of War 1 WAS worthy of being over analysed.
They genuinely put a lot of work in to the story, taking elements from many famous greek tragedies and merging all elements of the storytelling incredibly well.
God of War 2 and 3 didn't put anywhere near that level of effort in to the story, they were just relatively generic action stories.
They were still brilliant games, but not nearly as provocative as the first.
PerpetualMindDump 1 month ago
Wait what? Why is the episode here?
EddRazzell 1 month ago
@EddRazzell Why not? They're uploading a lot of the older ones.
AdderSIG 1 month ago
@AdderSIG
Which is awesome, because unless I'm really a derp, you can't put videos into places like forums from Penny Arcade.
Arrowstorm122 1 month ago
@EddRazzell Because fuck the Escapist.
nathan0dts 1 month ago
@nathan0dts I don't think that's the intention of Extra Credits.
TheLANMAC 1 month ago
@EddRazzell They want to make the old episodes more available
noppes1 1 month ago
brings back memories... :D
HybridRain 1 month ago