When does he say speed of air equals pitch? Because I've listened to this multiple times and I'm pretty sure he says speed of air equals volume? Which seems like common knowledge (or should be). Everything he is saying is very similar to Don Harwoods school of thought on playing. Any complaint is just hogwash.
The Vrajr...you need to check yourself. More pressure is to kill your chops in any range. Sound can be determined by air also pressure (bad) ,and tightness. Tightness refers to focus..before you attack some one else remember this....embouchure is not black and white what works for you and yours may not work for everyone. Be cool.
@rbrady524 To the person above who was making some comments about Mr. Venon: Rich knows his stuff and then some, trust me on this one :-) I care what Charlie was saying but.... I was really focusing on the sounds he was making on the bass tbone!! Wow... beautiful.
I usually don't interject into these conversations . Yes charlie was not a physics major in college and he sometimes has a hard time putting into words his concepts . But if you forget the crap and listen, you might come away with a better understanding of how to play the trombone .
If you keep analyzing what he says rather than listening you will fail .
And by the way
He sat with Joe in the Philadelphia orchestra before going to Chicago and that was after San Francisco
I agree with that comment up there, but Chicago Philharmonic?? Really?? And Joe Alessi plays with the New York Symphony? But thats not important. Stop trying to disprove him and learn to play like him
@andres00004 Chicago Symphony. But I agree with you. "He's wrong."....hmm. I'll take they guy who's the Bass Trombonist in the CSO's advise over yours. Just sayin'.
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Nonsense. Volume of air = volume of sound. Speed of air = pitch of sound. Mr. Vernon can make any sound he likes but still not be correct in his explanation.
The volume of air is measured in liters. I can use 5 liters in one second for a very low soft note, and 5 liters during 10 seconds on the hight register with a pretty big sound, so that means that volume of air is not the same as volume of sound, it also depends on the register.
Speed=distance/time. If you measure the speed of air on a certain note in different dinamics, you will realize that the louder the dinamic is, the faster the air is. I think you should check your information provider
@TheVrajr I agree with hecstork. If the volume stays the same, then the faster air will produce the louder sound. Faster air has nothing to do with pitch. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but pitch is only determined by the size of the aperture in the embouchure. Bigger aperture = lower pitch. Smaller aperture = higher pitch.
@TheVrajr Who are you to say that Mr. Vernon is wrong? Perhaps if you tried some of his techniques or studied with him you would realize that what he talks about in this video is exactly the key to playing trombone well.
fater is not higher, more pressure and less volume is higther, according to the experiments realized by A. Jacobs and other members of the CSO. But if you know how to achieve a bigger sound than C.G. Vernon, please, let us know.
@TheVrajr faster is not higher, fast can be low too. More air does not necessarily mean more sound. One should always play with lots of air to support their sound.
@TheVrajr Also, by saying charlie is wrong about this, you're also saying Arnold Jacobs is wrong. Think about that, Two of the best low brass players of ALL time. And you're probably some guy that barely practices and no one knows your name, but you're going to criticize the masters of brass' teaching.
Charlie still has that HUGE sound; I went to college with him back in the day at Ga. State; I learned a lot from about breathing and moving the air; see Charlie, even trumpet players can put a lot of air through, to sing the sound. I hope to see you in Columbus.
ah, youth. Charlie is certainly the best-rounded player around these days, and, despite a couple of personal differences of opinion with him, I'd say he's among the best, without a question. No way to quantify "THE best", but if forced, Alessi then Vernon. Not by much.
@stopandthink22 Actually, as a player Wright is pretty limited. In the orchestra, he sounds out of his element and lacks any blend with the rest of the section. His rhythm and intonation have a questionable quality to them and his tone is rather small for a full-size symphony orchestra. He seems most comfortable playing in a brass quintet: the ensemble fits his small sound, and since there is no other trombone in most brass quintets, his inability to blend is avoided.
maybe you wanna say the best bass trombone its dificult to say who`s the best trombonist in the world we have to nitzan haroz , joe alessi ,jay friedman , christian lindberg , ben van dyjk ... and a lot of good trombonist
When does he say speed of air equals pitch? Because I've listened to this multiple times and I'm pretty sure he says speed of air equals volume? Which seems like common knowledge (or should be). Everything he is saying is very similar to Don Harwoods school of thought on playing. Any complaint is just hogwash.
atheios12345 2 months ago
@Thevrajr I think we all know who the one dislike is!
AGittleman 5 months ago
At 4:40 that laugh hahahahahahaha :)
Mr Vernon is a genious indeed!
AttitudeCastle 11 months ago
The Vrajr...you need to check yourself. More pressure is to kill your chops in any range. Sound can be determined by air also pressure (bad) ,and tightness. Tightness refers to focus..before you attack some one else remember this....embouchure is not black and white what works for you and yours may not work for everyone. Be cool.
tjandamber 1 year ago
Too much for one post
And by the way
He sat with Joe in the Philadelphia orchestra before going to Chicago and that was after San Francisco
And that was after baltimore
I think he deserves a little credit
For being an amazing player and a friend for 40 years . By the way I do have a degree in physics and I bet I play better than you .
rbrady524 1 year ago
@rbrady524 To the person above who was making some comments about Mr. Venon: Rich knows his stuff and then some, trust me on this one :-) I care what Charlie was saying but.... I was really focusing on the sounds he was making on the bass tbone!! Wow... beautiful.
LLJtbone 1 year ago
@LLJtbone : That's VERNON.
LLJtbone 1 year ago
I usually don't interject into these conversations . Yes charlie was not a physics major in college and he sometimes has a hard time putting into words his concepts . But if you forget the crap and listen, you might come away with a better understanding of how to play the trombone .
If you keep analyzing what he says rather than listening you will fail .
And by the way
He sat with Joe in the Philadelphia orchestra before going to Chicago and that was after San Francisco
And that was after
rbrady524 1 year ago
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LLJtbone 1 year ago
Holy crap!! What a nice sound. Great ideas. Thanks for posting this.
LLJtbone 1 year ago
I agree with that comment up there, but Chicago Philharmonic?? Really?? And Joe Alessi plays with the New York Symphony? But thats not important. Stop trying to disprove him and learn to play like him
cysotbone621 1 year ago
Why do people go through such a hassle just to prove Charles wrong
you may not have the same views.But he's the one who plays bass trombone in the Chicago Philharmonic and he a world-renowned trombone player
who the fuck are you?
andres00004 1 year ago 12
@andres00004 Exactly!
mattdoubleday 1 year ago
@andres00004 chicago symphony, if you don´t mind.
danielsanchezmarcos 7 months ago
@andres00004 Chicago Symphony. But I agree with you. "He's wrong."....hmm. I'll take they guy who's the Bass Trombonist in the CSO's advise over yours. Just sayin'.
TheElliotGreen 6 months ago
hahahahah charlie is wrong!!!!! hahaha
yeah he is so wrong that he plays with the Chicago Symphony and you play with...........????
hahahahaha
what a clown!!!!
hahahahahaha!!!!!!
moninjr 1 year ago
Just from a glance, you'd never know that he's f*&%$%@# Chuck Norris on Bass Trombone
iselldummysmacks 1 year ago
What was that thing he was using with the mouthpiece when he was playing?
CourtneyBizz 1 year ago
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Nonsense. Volume of air = volume of sound. Speed of air = pitch of sound. Mr. Vernon can make any sound he likes but still not be correct in his explanation.
TheVrajr 2 years ago
The volume of air is measured in liters. I can use 5 liters in one second for a very low soft note, and 5 liters during 10 seconds on the hight register with a pretty big sound, so that means that volume of air is not the same as volume of sound, it also depends on the register.
Speed=distance/time. If you measure the speed of air on a certain note in different dinamics, you will realize that the louder the dinamic is, the faster the air is. I think you should check your information provider
hecstork 2 years ago
Have you read Song and Wind?
hecstork 2 years ago
@TheVrajr I agree with hecstork. If the volume stays the same, then the faster air will produce the louder sound. Faster air has nothing to do with pitch. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but pitch is only determined by the size of the aperture in the embouchure. Bigger aperture = lower pitch. Smaller aperture = higher pitch.
pwntskater 2 years ago
@TheVrajr Who are you to say that Mr. Vernon is wrong? Perhaps if you tried some of his techniques or studied with him you would realize that what he talks about in this video is exactly the key to playing trombone well.
18844lea 1 year ago
He's wrong. Faster is not bigger, faster is higher. More air makes more sound.
TheVrajr 2 years ago
fater is not higher, more pressure and less volume is higther, according to the experiments realized by A. Jacobs and other members of the CSO. But if you know how to achieve a bigger sound than C.G. Vernon, please, let us know.
hecstork 2 years ago 8
@TheVrajr faster is not higher, fast can be low too. More air does not necessarily mean more sound. One should always play with lots of air to support their sound.
18844lea 1 year ago
@TheVrajr Also, by saying charlie is wrong about this, you're also saying Arnold Jacobs is wrong. Think about that, Two of the best low brass players of ALL time. And you're probably some guy that barely practices and no one knows your name, but you're going to criticize the masters of brass' teaching.
TromboneMasterMan 7 months ago
@TheVrajr Faster is Not Higher
KnottPatriot 5 months ago
Grandissimo. Suono eccezionale, ottimi consigli
biopresto68 2 years ago
He's a god.
fish182 2 years ago 2
thanks for telling us that must pass through our minds when they played like that, simply amazing!!!!
Jakorako 3 years ago
Charlie still has that HUGE sound; I went to college with him back in the day at Ga. State; I learned a lot from about breathing and moving the air; see Charlie, even trumpet players can put a lot of air through, to sing the sound. I hope to see you in Columbus.
larrywiseman 3 years ago
hahahahah, best trombon player in the world.
GREAT
antoniotrombone 3 years ago 4
ah, youth. Charlie is certainly the best-rounded player around these days, and, despite a couple of personal differences of opinion with him, I'd say he's among the best, without a question. No way to quantify "THE best", but if forced, Alessi then Vernon. Not by much.
tubapizza 3 years ago
Don't forget Doug Wright for an all around player.
stopandthink22 3 years ago
@stopandthink22 Actually, as a player Wright is pretty limited. In the orchestra, he sounds out of his element and lacks any blend with the rest of the section. His rhythm and intonation have a questionable quality to them and his tone is rather small for a full-size symphony orchestra. He seems most comfortable playing in a brass quintet: the ensemble fits his small sound, and since there is no other trombone in most brass quintets, his inability to blend is avoided.
abeedibad 1 year ago
maybe you wanna say the best bass trombone its dificult to say who`s the best trombonist in the world we have to nitzan haroz , joe alessi ,jay friedman , christian lindberg , ben van dyjk ... and a lot of good trombonist
trombonero87 3 years ago
the best trombon player in the world
antoniotrombone 3 years ago