in 2030-2035 NASA and the rst of the major countries are sending a 6 team of US civilians to colonise mars, then raise the population over the course of 1-20 years to 200-1000 people survival is guaranteed people the Colonization of mars is close and the colonization of the Moon is in 2020 planned by NASA
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By the time we get to the point where we pass through the highly populated part of the galaxy, we will be able to move whole planets, deflecting comets and terraforming will be easy.
It is just one problem what will happen in the future of Mars, the problem is Mars moon Phobos. about 10 million years from now Phobos will crash into mars, because Phobos is not like our moon, our moon pulling longer away from Earth.
so it can happen maybe we must move out of Mars and find a new world.
@94kricco or we move the Phobos to an orbit we want it in. 10 million years is longer than all of human history put together twise over. with that much time to work on it i think we will have no problem fixing it
@kokofan50 how can we move Phobos? It is impossible. and we dont know how to move an object, we know how to get an asteroid who is on collision course away, and that is to plant a nuclear bomb inside, we can not do that with Phobos, I think Mars will be destroyed, and it can even send pieces of Phobos on a direction to Earth too.
@94kricco we have more ideas how to move an asteroid other than nuke it. Some ideas are a gravity traktor were you us the gravity of a space craft to move an asteroid, an impackter were you take something kind of big at smash it in to an asteroid and push it, we could put a nuke on the surface and use the exlopstion to push the asteroid, we could put rockets on it and use them to pust the asteroid, or they might use something we cant even think of. cont.
@kokofan50 explode it on the surface, are you crazy? that will not be good If an asteroid coming to Earth, because if you do that, a lot of pieces from the asteroid can hit earth, like a meteor shower, extremely dangerous. but put rockets on it can be a good idea.
@94kricco On the surface is better than putting it in the middle where it would do that but the pieces may be big enough to not burn put in the atmosphere
@94kricco On Phobos i think only the rockets would work. Put however many rockets we need to push it slowly in to the orbit we want. I know its a really pressing problems to fix the orbit we only have 10 million years, ideas, and tech to move phobos.
@PleasureTV Opinion is one thing but SCIENCE does not operate on "opinion" but FACTS! Have heard and read about N-wpns and totally silly makes no sense at all!---dropping asteriods on Mars again a total waste of raw material---a One (1) mile wide Nickel/Iron Asteriod has the mass which would allow us to build 440,000 Island One Space Settlements---@10,000 persons per settlement=440,000 X 10,000= 4 Billion 4 Hundred Million Human Beings from ONE ASTERIOD!
@PleasureTV Island One Space Settlement since u never sent me the information which tells u do NOT KNOW or have any clue about O'Neil Space Settlements are over 4 miles in length with a diameter of 1 mile across--Trees, Water, rivers, lakes and terranced homes--Atmospheric Pressure=to Denver Colorado. QUESTION: Does the USA have ZPG? Do u know what that is?
@PleasureTV The US has ZPG and the cost of an Island One Space Settlement made from lunar material (500,000 tons) in mid to late 1970s $ figures---100 Billion---unlike most science studies, O'Neill had them work to disprove the idea and just the opposite happened---in the late 1970s two studies done at STANFORD (I have both studies) showed just the US could afford such a program---there is nothing so far, which indicates Space Settlements would not work (MORE)
@PleasureTV I want humanity 2 move off this mudball----4 yrs companies have done the "legwork" as2 what it would take 2 set-up research, mining & settlements on the moon---establishing such a series of bases would create a BEACHEAD from which more long-term options & from those solutions would be worked out for us 2 become a space-faring civilization--4 Obama 2 cancel the US from going 2 the moon is nuts! The moon is = in size 2 Africa + Australia combined! only 12 men have been on moon.
Well Titan has a 98% Nitrogen atmosphere so it can't be crap, because Earth atmosphere is also mainly 78%Nitrogen, it is so much Earth like.
Regarding Atm pressure on Mars, I know is deadly low at the moment, but enought Greenhouse gases will increase the pressure.
Please consider that Venus is even closer to Sun and also has no magnetosphere but Sun doesn't blow it's Atmosphere because it is mostly heavy gas CO2.
Either way human polution works faster than Sun blows it )))
@PleasureTV no offense but it is clear u never took any astronomy courses. Venus is almost the mass of Earth but Mars is not! INFORMED u about the "1G" rotation at the equator with a Space Settlement (1-mile in length) "1g" goes N/S from 'equator' ~44 degrees! The atmospheric on Mars is 1 (ONE) MILLIBAR; 1/2 though the Earth atmosphere 500 MILLIBARS! Would take (which they cannot not) 100,000-500,000 earth yrs to Terraform Mars---ruin a great lab--TITAN atmosphere is HYDROCARBONS--
@rangeclerk No I'm not offended, it is good we can analise together .
Well Yes the intire Terraforming needs a HUGE amount of gas, I agree with You.
But the trik is We don't have to import it from somewhere, We just have to Nuke the Ice caps which Are CO2 , the soil will release H2O,Nitrogen and other heavy carbonats.
...Sorry again but TITAN's has only 5% hydrocarbonats and 95% Nitrogen in Lower Atmosphere, and 98% Nitrogen in Upper atmosphere. It is official.
@PleasureTV You need to take astronomy/planetary courses also get O'Neill's Space Settlement--his claim to fame---developed the mag storage ring tech for linear accelerators---your first statement about space settlements were "the lack of a decent gravitation would kill the entire crew in just a few decades."---where did u get that info? Check O'Neill's stuff was Physics Professor at Princeton
Mars has no Geomagnetic Field and Mars is not Massive enough to hold onto an atmosphere...the total mass of all the asteroids is 1/1000 the mass of earth---would be a total waste of raw material...Terraforming is just a BIG WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY that can be used for more reasonable approach for becoming a space-based civilization SEE O'NEILL SPACE BASED SETTLEMENTS---underground settlements on the moon and Mars---mining ops....Ultlization!
@rangeclerk Not true, Titan's atmosphere is about 1.19 times as massive as Earth's overall.
So there is no problem for Mars to hold an atmosphere if a tiny moon does. Terraforming is real deal for billions of years, with lots of planetary resurses available. While Space Settlements wont last too long, and the lack of a decent gravitation would kill the entire crew in just a few decades.
@PleasureTV What is the atmospheric pressure on the Mars surface? What is it 1/2 up into earth's atmosphere? (IN millibars)---Mars, not MASSIVE enough to hold onto an atmospere---where did I write about Titan? Go try & breath on TItan--cough cough--Guess u no nothing of O'Neill Space Settlements as the rotational velocity creates a 1 "G" level at the "equator" who says we humans need "1g"? Any protoatmosphere developed on Mars, would be ripped away by the solar wind--Mars is geologically DEAD!
@PleasureTV AGAIN I will REPEAT myself---Given the CLOSENESS Mars is within the solar system the SOLAR WIND would rip any atmosphere way from Mars! I noticed u did not answer my questions as to the ATMOSPHERIC PRESURE ON MARS SURFACE? What is it 1/2 though the Earth's?
For TItan the atmosphere is not Nitrogen or O is it? Try breathing the crap on Titan---Terraforming is a con pushed by those "scientists" who are against human space activity---this BS has been going on since the late 70's/80s.
@PleasureTV Again, where do u get your "evidence" with your statement, " and the lack of a decent gravitation would kill the entire crew in just a few decades."
I have given u the information concerning the 1G within an O'Neill Space Settlement and yet, no reply? Do u admit u were incorrect in your previous statement and admit u did not know what you were talking (typing) about?
@PleasureTV U have no clue about O'Neill Space Settlements do you? First off, no kind of space venture will ever depopulate the US or Earth---Give me the dimenisons of the Island One Space Settlement--length and width and human population? Then there were the designs of the Level 2 and 3 Settlements. U do understand TERRAFORMING MARS IS IMPOSSIBLE---YOU NEED TO TAKE A BASIC ASTRONOMY COURSE. Would someone PLEASE give me a REASONABLE discussion about the problems of terraforming Mars!
@rangeclerk Of course I know about O'Neill's Space Cylinders, I'm Astronomer and Geologist also.
Try to think real, nobody will ever think seriously to bring 500 square miles of Terrain and Water Lakes in Space....
While Terraforming Mars was not my genuinely Idea.
It is NASA, ROSCOSMOS,ESA, MARS FOUNDATION, Nano and Robotics companies who are Working on this. Even MOON RETURN was canceled in favor to MARS DIRECT.
@PleasureTV Well, since u claim u are an Astronomer & Geologists then u should have known the material of L5 settlements comes from mining ops on the moon then later NEOS, not from Earth! U never gave me the 'pressure in millibars' as I had to send that to you! TERRAFORMING is BS cause without a geomag field any planetary geologist would know that any protoatmosphere trying to created by terraforming would be blown way by the solar wind (SEE CMEs). Space is unlimited in resources!
@PleasureTV We on Earth live in a 4,000 mile well---Mars is not massive enough to hold onto an earth-style atmosphere---its geologic periods were many of creating water (many of which were from comets---billions of yrs ago)---every planetary geoloists I have heard or read has stated that Mars is DEAD (compared to earth) geologically speaking---unable to generate the necessay mag field to protect any atmosphere.
@PleasureTV If u R a scientist, then u should know that EVEN if (all estimates are 1,000s or hundreds of thousands of earth yrs) a Martian atmosphere breathable for humans were developed, look at the areas of Mars that would be ruined; underwater & unuseable. Who are we 2 decide how Mars is 2 be used in the future? Let us build the necessary steps 2 become a space-faring civilization--mining, manufacturing & space-based settlements-O'Neill Style, & settlements inside the moon, asteroids, Mars
@PleasureTV Mars interior is solid---guess u do not keep with other planetary geologists who have stated on PBS solar system programs that Mars is geologically dead! There is no 'weak magnetic field' on Mars, just some minor localized mag---which if u are indeed a "geologist" as you claim, u should know---In Ancient Mars time (~3-4 billion yrs ago) was when it was geologically active but no more---where are u getting your data---Mars rotates ~same as earth, yet no magnetic field---its dead!
@PleasureTV The Dynamo Effect is created by ROTATION which Mars is doing at approx a 24 hr day! Since Mars is a bit smaller then Earth that rotational velocity is a bit faster then even Earth's and if the outer core was liquid nickel/iron it would create the Dynamo Effect---but no "EFFECT"---because the core is solid! Geologically DEAD-DEAD-DEAD- from the aspect of EVER producing a geomagnetic field!
2. Dynamo mechanism is not created by a simple rotation of the planet, it is created trough Convection movements within molten Outer Core while the core itself must be solid.
3.In March 7, 2003 NASA lab concluded that Mars either has not cooled to a completely solid iron core, or its interior is a completely liquid iron core.
@PleasureTV Anyway given its rotation of 24hrs that does affect the interior if there were an outer liquid core---u site old date (2003) this is 2011 and additonal info does indicate that Mars in dead geologically. Understand those that 30+ yrs ago who were pushing this crap about 'terraforming' are the same guys who were against the manned landings on the moon, Space Shuttles and the ISS--
@PleasureTV If u are what u claim you are then also what R the population numbers of Island 1, and the biggest Island 4 space settlements---given what u wrote in the past u know very little if nothing of O'Neill Space Settlements---QUESTION Is the USA facing a population explosion? Ever read Herman Kahn and his book THE NEXT 200 YEARS? If u are a 'scientist' then u should have read it...Who is Herman Kahn and his "claim to fame"?
@rangeclerk Hmm,I already gave You an example of a tiny Moon with a miserable mass that holds an Atmosphere even greatest than Earth's in all parameters: pressure,altitude and consistence.
581g is a futile effort, atleast for now. not only are about 95% statistics unknown, but reaching the planet would be thousands of years beyond our reach... we would be better off going to mars..
unless we discover the speed of light - then it could be possible.. but slow.
hey if mars used to be more habitable many many many years ago, then perhaps the ppl on mars migrated to earth. Now we earth ppl trying to go back there haha?
it really sucks that we wont be able to live on mars but at least our great great great really really great grand child possable will but after mars what then I prehaps we will work on lightspeed, geting a man out of the solar system to find a new life cape able planet and hope fully we will find aliens and new life forms and if we survie the mishaps of space mabey we can have a star wars like repuiblic with all types of intellgent creatures lets just hop not every thing from star wars happen a
@ashclone1 Actually just now we have discovered a new planet(Gliese 581 F) much like earth in both Mass and distance to its star to have liquid water and a substansial atmosphere :D its generations away, but if theres any life there they could be watching our TV and radio broadcasts from 20years ago :) This is HUGE for mankind. That might be our next destination after mars' Terraforming project :)
@ashclone1 i55:tinypic:com/2wp6qsn:jpg (just replace the : with . :P)
Theres a link to a similar planet in the Gliese 581 solar system. This would be "c" and it does appear to have atmosphere, landmasses and liquid water. But thats just speculations :P Gliese 581 F is much more suiting for potential habiting life.
@ashclone1 oh and the only problem with gliese 581 c is that its mass is bigger than earths wich means the gravity gets bigger too :S its gravity is 1.5 times earths gravity and therefor we had to find a new planet similar to it. oh and atmosphere on these arent specualitons(just read that) its there. potential life? :)
Amazing video, the visuals are truly stunning. I can only imagine what it would be like to live on another planet. There's so many places on Earth that I haven't seen, but to walk on a completely new world, with completely new perspective on physics, would be something amazing, straight out of the epic world of fiction.
think about how much power it takes to move a small space ship to the moon and now think how much power it would take to move something the size of half the earth half way between mars and the earth and than stop it again...
You would need x2 the power because u need the same amount of power to push it as you will need to stop it.
@Andrewmcmelonse well we need resources (that we wont have if we keep messing up our own planet at this rate) to be able to create that much carbon dioxide and get it over there to jump start the process..
@Toro953 it's 95% carbon dioxide, but that's just a percentage. There's waaaay to little of it to maintain a temperature constant enough to sustain colonizing activities..
@Toro953 Well yeah, on earth. But to get the materials up there to do it is another story.. And now it seems even more of a long shot now that the space program has been severely crippled..
Currently no1 is going to eathen hope that something like that is posible...but world is changin who knows what science achievements are about to come...Id rather be optimistic and hope that Terraforming a planet will be posible...The only thing i feel bad is that its imposible to do it in a human life...After all a lifetime is nothing compared to space :(
u, know in another system, the epsilon eridani system, there are 2 planets that seem like likely candidates for colonization. It is only 1 billion years old, and life is ripe for appearing there. Theoretically, the only problem is that its 2X bigger than earth so it may have twice the gravity than Earth
any planet is terraformable exept the gas giants, if its solid rock and its in the habitable zone of its sun and has water even frozen or carbonized it is terraformable, al you need is h2o aand habitable zone, the rest is matter of technology.
I would hope that we as a species would be far beyond relying exclusively on our own solar system as life support by the time the sun turns into a red giant. I would rather imagine mars to be a viable human habitat in some form or another with this millenium. Also when fusion technology becomes a viable energy source our necessary dependance on solar life support will diminish and we may merely live on terraformed planets because it is more enjoyable than living in floating tin cans.
But my REAL position is that of all the people I've spoken to about mars theories, you seem to be the most logical and intelligent.
I may have come down hard at first, but it's okly because of all the insane people who make mars videos with insane theories that make absolutely no sense.
My position is that I want to know the theory you're talking about that radiation somehow racts positively with other radiation...
If you're talking about the idea of nuking the poles to melt the ice to jumpstart an atmosphere, that isn't radiation reacting positively with other radiation...
These are all dirty diaper solutions - a continous problem being solved by technology. Why not tug asteroids into mars including Phobos and increase the temp, gas and gravity of mars permanently? The payoff would be millions of times the effort you put into it! What other place do we have to choose that is near earth to dump asteroids? The dwarf Ceres?
False, the nuclear detonation is only to sublimate the carbonic ice, hence increasing the athmospheric pressure and countering the solar erosion effect on the athmosphere. And it is completely false to say radiations can neutralize themselves. They add-up, like adding more heat to heat.
yes you are correct about the radiation, but its not the radiation we're on about.
but have you thought that why mars isent habitable? and why we cant live there because there is harmful "gasses" and "chemicals" there already? hence the idea of the nutralization. . .
No one is getting you because your'e talking about things you don't understand yet. I'm not being rude, I mean it. You have a good imagination but what you're saying isn't scientific (nor spelled correctly).
well, it turns out that i speak many many languages... o cant help some errors, and actually, it is scientific. if you see most theorys how to correct harmful gasses it supports me.
we make our own destiny as in we can do what ever we want ans it is possible but i think their could be ramafacations such as new forms of life evovling mars
@Bidziscool not sure i just, found it typing in Colonization of mars on google
pieman7771 6 months ago
in 2030-2035 NASA and the rst of the major countries are sending a 6 team of US civilians to colonise mars, then raise the population over the course of 1-20 years to 200-1000 people survival is guaranteed people the Colonization of mars is close and the colonization of the Moon is in 2020 planned by NASA
pieman7771 8 months ago
Bravo pour vos trucages les gens on payé pour savoir ils ont investis dans les impots pour que vous puissiez dilapider leurs argents. pouquoi c'est menssonges?
1312gilbert 8 months ago
i hope im still alive when humans go to mars in 26 now an its year 2011 i cant wait to see the out come
dazjah00 9 months ago
@dazjah00 dissaster
bloodsuckern 9 months ago
@bloodsuckern - dont be negitive
dazjah00 9 months ago
@dazjah00 you dont understand, Weight will cause dissaster
bloodsuckern 9 months ago
By the time we get to the point where we pass through the highly populated part of the galaxy, we will be able to move whole planets, deflecting comets and terraforming will be easy.
BudCharles999 10 months ago
It is just one problem what will happen in the future of Mars, the problem is Mars moon Phobos. about 10 million years from now Phobos will crash into mars, because Phobos is not like our moon, our moon pulling longer away from Earth.
so it can happen maybe we must move out of Mars and find a new world.
94kricco 11 months ago
@94kricco or we move the Phobos to an orbit we want it in. 10 million years is longer than all of human history put together twise over. with that much time to work on it i think we will have no problem fixing it
kokofan50 11 months ago
@kokofan50 how can we move Phobos? It is impossible. and we dont know how to move an object, we know how to get an asteroid who is on collision course away, and that is to plant a nuclear bomb inside, we can not do that with Phobos, I think Mars will be destroyed, and it can even send pieces of Phobos on a direction to Earth too.
94kricco 11 months ago
@94kricco we have more ideas how to move an asteroid other than nuke it. Some ideas are a gravity traktor were you us the gravity of a space craft to move an asteroid, an impackter were you take something kind of big at smash it in to an asteroid and push it, we could put a nuke on the surface and use the exlopstion to push the asteroid, we could put rockets on it and use them to pust the asteroid, or they might use something we cant even think of. cont.
kokofan50 11 months ago
@kokofan50 explode it on the surface, are you crazy? that will not be good If an asteroid coming to Earth, because if you do that, a lot of pieces from the asteroid can hit earth, like a meteor shower, extremely dangerous. but put rockets on it can be a good idea.
94kricco 11 months ago
@94kricco On the surface is better than putting it in the middle where it would do that but the pieces may be big enough to not burn put in the atmosphere
kokofan50 11 months ago
@kokofan50 that was not the question I asked, Is it the sun or the mars who pushing Phobos into Mars?
94kricco 11 months ago
@94kricco Mars.
BudCharles999 10 months ago
@94kricco On Phobos i think only the rockets would work. Put however many rockets we need to push it slowly in to the orbit we want. I know its a really pressing problems to fix the orbit we only have 10 million years, ideas, and tech to move phobos.
kokofan50 11 months ago
@kokofan50 and what does it pulling closer to Mars? is it the gravity of Mars or the sun?
94kricco 11 months ago
You are asking Me Who are We to decide?
Everyone's oppinion matters!
I consider Your oppinion on building Space Setllements, It can be done but it would be so much more expensive than throwing some nuke bombs on Mars.
While the benefit will be minor comparing to a real big Planet.
PleasureTV 1 year ago
@PleasureTV Opinion is one thing but SCIENCE does not operate on "opinion" but FACTS! Have heard and read about N-wpns and totally silly makes no sense at all!---dropping asteriods on Mars again a total waste of raw material---a One (1) mile wide Nickel/Iron Asteriod has the mass which would allow us to build 440,000 Island One Space Settlements---@10,000 persons per settlement=440,000 X 10,000= 4 Billion 4 Hundred Million Human Beings from ONE ASTERIOD!
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@PleasureTV Island One Space Settlement since u never sent me the information which tells u do NOT KNOW or have any clue about O'Neil Space Settlements are over 4 miles in length with a diameter of 1 mile across--Trees, Water, rivers, lakes and terranced homes--Atmospheric Pressure=to Denver Colorado. QUESTION: Does the USA have ZPG? Do u know what that is?
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@rangeclerk Regarding O'Neil Space Settlemens I have read many years ago.
So I do not remember all the details. But I remember I thought that the budget must bigger than entire humanity can in any near future.
We don't have technology for colecting asteroids, for Mounting such a big thing and do Heavy Industry in space.
I feel I must have a look at this project again, I'll do it tomorrow.
Answer: I'm not a demographer but yes I know what ZPG is.
PleasureTV 1 year ago
@PleasureTV The US has ZPG and the cost of an Island One Space Settlement made from lunar material (500,000 tons) in mid to late 1970s $ figures---100 Billion---unlike most science studies, O'Neill had them work to disprove the idea and just the opposite happened---in the late 1970s two studies done at STANFORD (I have both studies) showed just the US could afford such a program---there is nothing so far, which indicates Space Settlements would not work (MORE)
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@PleasureTV I want humanity 2 move off this mudball----4 yrs companies have done the "legwork" as2 what it would take 2 set-up research, mining & settlements on the moon---establishing such a series of bases would create a BEACHEAD from which more long-term options & from those solutions would be worked out for us 2 become a space-faring civilization--4 Obama 2 cancel the US from going 2 the moon is nuts! The moon is = in size 2 Africa + Australia combined! only 12 men have been on moon.
rangeclerk 1 year ago
TERRAFORMING SUCKS AND DESTROYS A GREAT LAB! Time would be in the hundreds of thousands of Earth yrs---PBS progams mentioned this a few yrs ago!
Remember if Earth had no mag field the solar wind would rip our atmosphere away!
rangeclerk 1 year ago
Well Titan has a 98% Nitrogen atmosphere so it can't be crap, because Earth atmosphere is also mainly 78%Nitrogen, it is so much Earth like.
Regarding Atm pressure on Mars, I know is deadly low at the moment, but enought Greenhouse gases will increase the pressure.
Please consider that Venus is even closer to Sun and also has no magnetosphere but Sun doesn't blow it's Atmosphere because it is mostly heavy gas CO2.
Either way human polution works faster than Sun blows it )))
PleasureTV 1 year ago
@PleasureTV no offense but it is clear u never took any astronomy courses. Venus is almost the mass of Earth but Mars is not! INFORMED u about the "1G" rotation at the equator with a Space Settlement (1-mile in length) "1g" goes N/S from 'equator' ~44 degrees! The atmospheric on Mars is 1 (ONE) MILLIBAR; 1/2 though the Earth atmosphere 500 MILLIBARS! Would take (which they cannot not) 100,000-500,000 earth yrs to Terraform Mars---ruin a great lab--TITAN atmosphere is HYDROCARBONS--
rangeclerk 1 year ago
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rangeclerk 1 year ago
@rangeclerk One more POINT MARS IS geologically DEAD!
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@rangeclerk No I'm not offended, it is good we can analise together .
Well Yes the intire Terraforming needs a HUGE amount of gas, I agree with You.
But the trik is We don't have to import it from somewhere, We just have to Nuke the Ice caps which Are CO2 , the soil will release H2O,Nitrogen and other heavy carbonats.
...Sorry again but TITAN's has only 5% hydrocarbonats and 95% Nitrogen in Lower Atmosphere, and 98% Nitrogen in Upper atmosphere. It is official.
PleasureTV 1 year ago
@PleasureTV You need to take astronomy/planetary courses also get O'Neill's Space Settlement--his claim to fame---developed the mag storage ring tech for linear accelerators---your first statement about space settlements were "the lack of a decent gravitation would kill the entire crew in just a few decades."---where did u get that info? Check O'Neill's stuff was Physics Professor at Princeton
rangeclerk 1 year ago
More like From green to red: The future of Earth imo
pandemonic01 1 year ago
Mars has no Geomagnetic Field and Mars is not Massive enough to hold onto an atmosphere...the total mass of all the asteroids is 1/1000 the mass of earth---would be a total waste of raw material...Terraforming is just a BIG WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY that can be used for more reasonable approach for becoming a space-based civilization SEE O'NEILL SPACE BASED SETTLEMENTS---underground settlements on the moon and Mars---mining ops....Ultlization!
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@rangeclerk Not true, Titan's atmosphere is about 1.19 times as massive as Earth's overall.
So there is no problem for Mars to hold an atmosphere if a tiny moon does. Terraforming is real deal for billions of years, with lots of planetary resurses available. While Space Settlements wont last too long, and the lack of a decent gravitation would kill the entire crew in just a few decades.
PleasureTV 1 year ago
@PleasureTV What is the atmospheric pressure on the Mars surface? What is it 1/2 up into earth's atmosphere? (IN millibars)---Mars, not MASSIVE enough to hold onto an atmospere---where did I write about Titan? Go try & breath on TItan--cough cough--Guess u no nothing of O'Neill Space Settlements as the rotational velocity creates a 1 "G" level at the "equator" who says we humans need "1g"? Any protoatmosphere developed on Mars, would be ripped away by the solar wind--Mars is geologically DEAD!
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@rangeclerk Titan Moon is just my example to prove that even a smaller mass body might hold Atmosphere without magnosphere protection.
I'm not inventing anything read Wikipedia it is all there.
PleasureTV 1 year ago
@PleasureTV AGAIN I will REPEAT myself---Given the CLOSENESS Mars is within the solar system the SOLAR WIND would rip any atmosphere way from Mars! I noticed u did not answer my questions as to the ATMOSPHERIC PRESURE ON MARS SURFACE? What is it 1/2 though the Earth's?
For TItan the atmosphere is not Nitrogen or O is it? Try breathing the crap on Titan---Terraforming is a con pushed by those "scientists" who are against human space activity---this BS has been going on since the late 70's/80s.
rangeclerk 1 year ago
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PleasureTV 1 year ago
@PleasureTV Again, where do u get your "evidence" with your statement, " and the lack of a decent gravitation would kill the entire crew in just a few decades."
I have given u the information concerning the 1G within an O'Neill Space Settlement and yet, no reply? Do u admit u were incorrect in your previous statement and admit u did not know what you were talking (typing) about?
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@rangeclerk It might be possible to simulate 1G or at least 0.5G for a tiny Space settlement.
But if You want to fit All the USA populatin inside, it's gonna be 1000x times expensive than Mars Terraforming.
Yet living in Space Settlements is like living in a van, and it is hard to imagine any comfort or development.
While China,Russia,India,Iran will get land and resurses on Mars for 1000x much cheaper.
PleasureTV 1 year ago
@PleasureTV U have no clue about O'Neill Space Settlements do you? First off, no kind of space venture will ever depopulate the US or Earth---Give me the dimenisons of the Island One Space Settlement--length and width and human population? Then there were the designs of the Level 2 and 3 Settlements. U do understand TERRAFORMING MARS IS IMPOSSIBLE---YOU NEED TO TAKE A BASIC ASTRONOMY COURSE. Would someone PLEASE give me a REASONABLE discussion about the problems of terraforming Mars!
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@rangeclerk Of course I know about O'Neill's Space Cylinders, I'm Astronomer and Geologist also.
Try to think real, nobody will ever think seriously to bring 500 square miles of Terrain and Water Lakes in Space....
While Terraforming Mars was not my genuinely Idea.
It is NASA, ROSCOSMOS,ESA, MARS FOUNDATION, Nano and Robotics companies who are Working on this. Even MOON RETURN was canceled in favor to MARS DIRECT.
PleasureTV 1 year ago
@PleasureTV Well, since u claim u are an Astronomer & Geologists then u should have known the material of L5 settlements comes from mining ops on the moon then later NEOS, not from Earth! U never gave me the 'pressure in millibars' as I had to send that to you! TERRAFORMING is BS cause without a geomag field any planetary geologist would know that any protoatmosphere trying to created by terraforming would be blown way by the solar wind (SEE CMEs). Space is unlimited in resources!
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@PleasureTV We on Earth live in a 4,000 mile well---Mars is not massive enough to hold onto an earth-style atmosphere---its geologic periods were many of creating water (many of which were from comets---billions of yrs ago)---every planetary geoloists I have heard or read has stated that Mars is DEAD (compared to earth) geologically speaking---unable to generate the necessay mag field to protect any atmosphere.
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@PleasureTV If u R a scientist, then u should know that EVEN if (all estimates are 1,000s or hundreds of thousands of earth yrs) a Martian atmosphere breathable for humans were developed, look at the areas of Mars that would be ruined; underwater & unuseable. Who are we 2 decide how Mars is 2 be used in the future? Let us build the necessary steps 2 become a space-faring civilization--mining, manufacturing & space-based settlements-O'Neill Style, & settlements inside the moon, asteroids, Mars
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@rangeclerk The problem of Mars is not mass, but the Weak Magnetic field .
And this problem will be solved as soon as the Planet gets Warmer and Dinamo effect will occur.
The Giant Volcano on Mars clearly proves that before Mars had a hotter Mantle and a hotter Outer Core.
That means Mars had a Dynamo efect like Earth and a Strong Magnetosphere.
Mars Terraforming is a real deal!
PleasureTV 1 year ago
@PleasureTV Mars interior is solid---guess u do not keep with other planetary geologists who have stated on PBS solar system programs that Mars is geologically dead! There is no 'weak magnetic field' on Mars, just some minor localized mag---which if u are indeed a "geologist" as you claim, u should know---In Ancient Mars time (~3-4 billion yrs ago) was when it was geologically active but no more---where are u getting your data---Mars rotates ~same as earth, yet no magnetic field---its dead!
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@PleasureTV The Dynamo Effect is created by ROTATION which Mars is doing at approx a 24 hr day! Since Mars is a bit smaller then Earth that rotational velocity is a bit faster then even Earth's and if the outer core was liquid nickel/iron it would create the Dynamo Effect---but no "EFFECT"---because the core is solid! Geologically DEAD-DEAD-DEAD- from the aspect of EVER producing a geomagnetic field!
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@rangeclerk a Few things You don't know:
1. Mars doesn't rotates faster than Earth
2. Dynamo mechanism is not created by a simple rotation of the planet, it is created trough Convection movements within molten Outer Core while the core itself must be solid.
3.In March 7, 2003 NASA lab concluded that Mars either has not cooled to a completely solid iron core, or its interior is a completely liquid iron core.
Either way, Mars is not that DEAD as You thought.
PleasureTV 1 year ago
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rangeclerk 1 year ago
@PleasureTV Anyway given its rotation of 24hrs that does affect the interior if there were an outer liquid core---u site old date (2003) this is 2011 and additonal info does indicate that Mars in dead geologically. Understand those that 30+ yrs ago who were pushing this crap about 'terraforming' are the same guys who were against the manned landings on the moon, Space Shuttles and the ISS--
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@PleasureTV If u are what u claim you are then also what R the population numbers of Island 1, and the biggest Island 4 space settlements---given what u wrote in the past u know very little if nothing of O'Neill Space Settlements---QUESTION Is the USA facing a population explosion? Ever read Herman Kahn and his book THE NEXT 200 YEARS? If u are a 'scientist' then u should have read it...Who is Herman Kahn and his "claim to fame"?
rangeclerk 1 year ago
@rangeclerk Hmm,I already gave You an example of a tiny Moon with a miserable mass that holds an Atmosphere even greatest than Earth's in all parameters: pressure,altitude and consistence.
Yet You are bringing this topic up again.
PleasureTV 1 year ago
man is ruining the life if whe inved a planet that before had life on and is gana get life soon on it whil just be ruining it
CoolKillerClan 1 year ago
581g is a futile effort, atleast for now. not only are about 95% statistics unknown, but reaching the planet would be thousands of years beyond our reach... we would be better off going to mars..
unless we discover the speed of light - then it could be possible.. but slow.
ironmadion55 1 year ago
hey if mars used to be more habitable many many many years ago, then perhaps the ppl on mars migrated to earth. Now we earth ppl trying to go back there haha?
fareastern00 1 year ago
it really sucks that we wont be able to live on mars but at least our great great great really really great grand child possable will but after mars what then I prehaps we will work on lightspeed, geting a man out of the solar system to find a new life cape able planet and hope fully we will find aliens and new life forms and if we survie the mishaps of space mabey we can have a star wars like repuiblic with all types of intellgent creatures lets just hop not every thing from star wars happen a
ashclone1 1 year ago
@ashclone1 Actually just now we have discovered a new planet(Gliese 581 F) much like earth in both Mass and distance to its star to have liquid water and a substansial atmosphere :D its generations away, but if theres any life there they could be watching our TV and radio broadcasts from 20years ago :) This is HUGE for mankind. That might be our next destination after mars' Terraforming project :)
MrHawkingson 1 year ago
@ashclone1 i55:tinypic:com/2wp6qsn:jpg (just replace the : with . :P)
Theres a link to a similar planet in the Gliese 581 solar system. This would be "c" and it does appear to have atmosphere, landmasses and liquid water. But thats just speculations :P Gliese 581 F is much more suiting for potential habiting life.
And YES i love astronomy :D
MrHawkingson 1 year ago
@ashclone1 oh and the only problem with gliese 581 c is that its mass is bigger than earths wich means the gravity gets bigger too :S its gravity is 1.5 times earths gravity and therefor we had to find a new planet similar to it. oh and atmosphere on these arent specualitons(just read that) its there. potential life? :)
MrHawkingson 1 year ago
if the earth explodes, i call the equator of mars! :D
ironmadion55 1 year ago
Amazing video, the visuals are truly stunning. I can only imagine what it would be like to live on another planet. There's so many places on Earth that I haven't seen, but to walk on a completely new world, with completely new perspective on physics, would be something amazing, straight out of the epic world of fiction.
PoliticalHell 1 year ago
Cant we just "push" mars into the habitalbal zone? it would take a shit load of power but....
MajoraProject 1 year ago
@MajoraProject lmao no...
think about how much power it takes to move a small space ship to the moon and now think how much power it would take to move something the size of half the earth half way between mars and the earth and than stop it again...
You would need x2 the power because u need the same amount of power to push it as you will need to stop it.
Interleap 1 year ago
Instead of randomly dropping nukes, wouldnt it better to nuke volcanos and get them flowing and spitting loads of crap in the air?
Celly222 1 year ago
lol great idea. Terraform it by nuking the bastard. xD I love it!
notessimodude 1 year ago
uhmm what do that robot on mars do now?
and wy the hell dident they put a plant in te robot and then it could plant it in mars :)
Epicburnout 1 year ago
@Epicburnout because the plant would die you idiot
J1a2s3o4n500 1 year ago
@J1a2s3o4n500 it was just a idea whats your problem -.-
Epicburnout 1 year ago
i have the idea ...
KingWilliamMB 2 years ago
why does it seem so hard to change the planet? We do it here, all we have to do is do it more over there.
Andrewmcmelonse 2 years ago
@Andrewmcmelonse well we need resources (that we wont have if we keep messing up our own planet at this rate) to be able to create that much carbon dioxide and get it over there to jump start the process..
trisky1234 2 years ago
@trisky1234 mars is abundant in caron dioxide, it needs nitrogen in the soil which it doesnt have for plants to make oxygen
Toro953 1 year ago
@Toro953 it's 95% carbon dioxide, but that's just a percentage. There's waaaay to little of it to maintain a temperature constant enough to sustain colonizing activities..
trisky1234 1 year ago
@trisky1234 making CO2 is what humans excel at though!
Toro953 1 year ago
@Toro953 Well yeah, on earth. But to get the materials up there to do it is another story.. And now it seems even more of a long shot now that the space program has been severely crippled..
trisky1234 1 year ago
@Andrewmcmelonse
Because there are almost 7 Billion of us. And we've been doing this for a hundred years. Its just pure numbers.
grimsprice 2 years ago
@Andrewmcmelonse LOL you forget that the two planets are completely different so the same methods wont work over there. lololololol
Toro953 1 year ago
Currently no1 is going to eathen hope that something like that is posible...but world is changin who knows what science achievements are about to come...Id rather be optimistic and hope that Terraforming a planet will be posible...The only thing i feel bad is that its imposible to do it in a human life...After all a lifetime is nothing compared to space :(
Deardraf 2 years ago
u, know in another system, the epsilon eridani system, there are 2 planets that seem like likely candidates for colonization. It is only 1 billion years old, and life is ripe for appearing there. Theoretically, the only problem is that its 2X bigger than earth so it may have twice the gravity than Earth
crossvariation 2 years ago
Size DOES matter but not for determining gravity. You'd have to know how dense it is.
macornelius 2 years ago
any planet is terraformable exept the gas giants, if its solid rock and its in the habitable zone of its sun and has water even frozen or carbonized it is terraformable, al you need is h2o aand habitable zone, the rest is matter of technology.
MisterDanger01 2 years ago
There has to irony in trying to create life on Mars, while destroying it on Earth.
'Mars aint the kind of place to raise your kids.
In fact it's cold as hell'
And there's no one there to raise them,
If you did...'
Elton John
RonanG 2 years ago
I would hope that we as a species would be far beyond relying exclusively on our own solar system as life support by the time the sun turns into a red giant. I would rather imagine mars to be a viable human habitat in some form or another with this millenium. Also when fusion technology becomes a viable energy source our necessary dependance on solar life support will diminish and we may merely live on terraformed planets because it is more enjoyable than living in floating tin cans.
mukmuk7 2 years ago
But my REAL position is that of all the people I've spoken to about mars theories, you seem to be the most logical and intelligent.
I may have come down hard at first, but it's okly because of all the insane people who make mars videos with insane theories that make absolutely no sense.
fatsomamacheese 2 years ago
My position is that I want to know the theory you're talking about that radiation somehow racts positively with other radiation...
If you're talking about the idea of nuking the poles to melt the ice to jumpstart an atmosphere, that isn't radiation reacting positively with other radiation...
fatsomamacheese 2 years ago
THIS Makes me so sick, ...sick lies.
Mars is a green planet,with life in it: vegetations,animals,humanoids ...
..controlled by reptillians ,or at least was controlled till now.
see other videos: Mars Anomalies ect
besimiune 2 years ago
These are all dirty diaper solutions - a continous problem being solved by technology. Why not tug asteroids into mars including Phobos and increase the temp, gas and gravity of mars permanently? The payoff would be millions of times the effort you put into it! What other place do we have to choose that is near earth to dump asteroids? The dwarf Ceres?
aironeous 2 years ago
nucular radiation interacts with other radiation. hence the idea of the bomb effect. thus nutralized
fortresskepper 2 years ago
False, the nuclear detonation is only to sublimate the carbonic ice, hence increasing the athmospheric pressure and countering the solar erosion effect on the athmosphere. And it is completely false to say radiations can neutralize themselves. They add-up, like adding more heat to heat.
sylvanha 2 years ago
radiation is a form of chemicals:
Eg:- acid and alkily (spelt wrong) neutralize eachother. same effect they are trying to do. . . .
fortresskepper 2 years ago
No, radiation is not a form of chemicals...
WOW...
Ever heard of sunlight? radiation. Did you know you're body produces radiation? Yeah, and it's picked up by infrared.
You crazy man, you crazy...lol
fatsomamacheese 2 years ago
why is no one getting me :P
yes you are correct about the radiation, but its not the radiation we're on about.
but have you thought that why mars isent habitable? and why we cant live there because there is harmful "gasses" and "chemicals" there already? hence the idea of the nutralization. . .
fortresskepper 2 years ago
No one is getting you because your'e talking about things you don't understand yet. I'm not being rude, I mean it. You have a good imagination but what you're saying isn't scientific (nor spelled correctly).
fatsomamacheese 2 years ago
well, it turns out that i speak many many languages... o cant help some errors, and actually, it is scientific. if you see most theorys how to correct harmful gasses it supports me.
fortresskepper 2 years ago
What theory, are you misinterpreting it?
fatsomamacheese 2 years ago
no, its a nasa experiment with other co's.
fortresskepper 2 years ago
What theory! You keep using scientific terms incorrectly, that's why I said what I did.
fatsomamacheese 2 years ago
well why are you argueing about? or are u being childish about things you DONT understand?
fortresskepper 2 years ago
Oh i'm pretty sure I understand it lol...and I'm pretty sure you either don't understand it, or don't know how to say it.
You still haven't said what theory this is...
fatsomamacheese 2 years ago
whats your position then?
fortresskepper 2 years ago
we make our own destiny as in we can do what ever we want ans it is possible but i think their could be ramafacations such as new forms of life evovling mars
than whos to say what will happin
halosapien1 2 years ago
hey wait, Its gonna take milions of years to ressurect mars, and till that we could go Bye bye cuz of our ekological problems
SolgerSK67 3 years ago
he does got a point
kkristian11 3 years ago
then scientists will increase the speed
fortresskepper 2 years ago
nah humans are smart enough to handle ekological problems
omgnoob4life 2 years ago