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  • What an idiot. I am getting so sick of Fox listening to people like this. Getting billions in Federal money (our money) and claiming it is all paid for. Rendell makes me sick. I am not going to watch Fox while they pay people like this. I might as well be sending money to CNN.

  • Gov. Rendell is doing "a lousy job" and puts his friends first in casino matters, Trump fumed. He said he'd probably avoid doing any future casino business in Pennsylvania.

  • Barak Obama and Ron Paul. Now THAT would be an exiting ticket! Someone should ask Ron if he would consider switching sides and teaming up with Obama. Ronny's views dont seem to be shared on the conservative side and he does think alot like Obama when it comes to foriegn policy, not to mention that would be one HUGE first step to extending an olive branch to the republicans and one HUGE kick in the ass to the TRUE NEO CONS.

  • It's a reference to Chris Matthews. He got a tingling in his leg after a speech by Obama.

  • Rendell is an hypocrite who once lavishly prised Farrakhan. It's all over youtube. Gotcha! Clinton's most powerful supporter! Lol, what a catch.

  • Hi my name is I really love fear based mass media please let me suck your stick?

  • MATTHEWS=OBMABOT

    A FAIR LOOK AT CLINTON BOSNIA TRIP

    The mainstream reporters are bias and cheerleaders for

    OBAMA. He has millions to pay for TV ads and produce zillion adoring videos to persuade your vote and destroy HILL.

    Shame MEDIA, Axelrod and Obama !

    SEARCH: 1996 Clinton Bosnia Trip (CBS News) watch?v=Pef5AUt-tic

    This video is the PLAIN TRUTH. It should be watched by ALL. WE ARE FAIR PEOPLE! AREN'T WE? The other videos are laced with VENOM.

    Hit Show below

  • Yeah, let's see how Rendell felt BEFORE Hillary was running.

  • Fox actually has some very good presenters like Chris Wallace and O'Reilly. They are the top-notch presenters who are tough and fair and can make any politician sweat with their questions. Again, don't deny that there are couple of very cynical presenters like Sean Hannity Steve Doocy, who really reflect Fox channel poorly.

    However, in my overall opinion, with all the negatives and good positives Fox news is fair and give excellent presentation.

  • I think O'Reilly makes it clear he is a commentator, not a journalist, but does make a fair effort to not be overtly critical. He takes a lot of unnecesary criticism because people hate his political stances, not so much his presentation style.

    But he does tell people to shut up and tends to interrupt people who disagree to edge them out of the time limit and then conveniently gives the opposition "the last word" on many occassions.

    Fuck Hannity, he's a comedian, not a commentator.

  • tingling in his leg?

  • This sack of s#it was on Meet the Press this morning and he is such a sleezebag, now saying that if Hillary wins Pennsylvania by 5%, its a landslide against Obama. I get tired of the He said/she said stuff too, but if this is the kind of guy Hillary picks as her spokesperson, like nutsy Ferraro, she obviously does NOT know how to pick talent, a vitally important job for the next president in putting together a cabinet.

  • She is just a puppet for the neo-cons, just as obama is. There havent been real elections in the US since long ago.

  • This sack of s#it was on Meet the Press this morning and he is such a sleezebag, now saying that if Hillary wins Pennsylvania by 5%, its a landslide against Obama. I get tired of the He said/she said stuff too, but if this is the kind of guy Hillary picks as her spokesperson, like nutsy Ferraro, she obviously does NOT know how to pick talent, a vitally important job for the next president in putting together a cabinet.

  • Give me a break!!!!

    Ed Rendell is full of it, he only likes Fox because they are spewing at Obama. It is so transparent and more typical boring Washington Politics.

    Please give me something differend than this crap.

  • No way! Fox News has been totally anti-Hillary and pro-Obama!

    They probably have 3 Obama supporters as guests for every 1 Hillary supporter.

  • What you WATCH Fox?  Besides, isn't Fox "entertainment," not news?

  • Dick Morris, every freakin night. Hillary is the devil.

  • fucking democrats, go figure. rats believe there is no ass not worth kissing.

  • Whereas the Republicans just gently fondle the news networks. And then tighten their grip. HARD.

  • If you're a presidential candidate, and don't want to stand up to a Hannitty or a Bill O'reilly...how are you going to stand up to a Kim, Medveded, Putin, Ahmenijad, Chavez, or any other thorn in the side of America? Obama says he wants direct dialogue with our enemies, but avoids anyone on Fox? Man...talk about being sheltered and protected. I guess he'll just have someone write him a nice speech, and maybe Ahmenijad will get that feeling down his leg, that the harballing Chris Mathews got?

  • ahmedinejad is rooting fro republicans, but you are too stupid to realize that. oil was $20 a barrel in 2000, now it's over $100. Fucking iran has so much money now, they can create all kinds of havoc if they wanted too. i suppose it's trickle down politics; make your enemy richer so that they will starve to death

  • Fair? No. Balance? Maybe.

    If you watch Fox news you are going to get a more conservative viewpoint, unlike the slightly leftward skewed MSNBC and CNN. However, you're all missing the point: all cable news is ratings driven and therefore inherently shitty. If you want accuracy read the news and blogs and look for diverse viewpoints.

  • Haha, for all those hating on Ed Rendell for even going on FOX, Obama's surrogate, John Kerry, was interviewed for the Hannity and Colmes show today. I guess he's not boycotting the show, as some liberal/Obama supporters said was in some secret rulebook. lol Okay, something to that effect. ;)

  • well he hit that right on.......

    Hillary 08

  • I want my fucking vote back asshole.

  • Hey Gov...it's no joke; fox DOES hate both the Dem candidates. Wait until the general election; fox will be spreading their special kind of twisted hate and lies all over the Democratic nominee. All this hate of America by a network owned by a Aussie. Idiots.

  • If you're against bias...then you should be against all bias. Where were you good people when Ted Turner started CNN? Did not hear the left complaining about his agenda? You only complain when it's not your agenda. And that's neither fair nor balanced!!

  • You can blame Fox all you want(because that's what libs do)...but you should really be blaming the Hilary machine. After all, who do you think is really responsible for the stuff on Obama? I don't apologize for Fox(they are biased)but it's one of your own that is providing the fuel and the material. Fox is just happy to oblige. And what about the other networks that cream their pants over Obama? Are they showing any bias for Obama and being against Hilary?

  • Fox news have been spreading distorted, biased, unfair and false information about Obama. That is not something to praise, respect or deem fox news Fair and balanced.

    Call it intutition but the smirk on his face says somthing about the type of person he could be.

  • It's long past time that we all grow up and recognize this farce of a "news" cast for what it truly is - an adjunct of the republican party.

    This mutt musta been bought by Murdock. Glad I don't live in PA.

  • HAHAHAHHAHAHAAH!

  • Wow. That's three Democrats I know of that aren't hyperpartisan morons. Zell Miller, Joe Liberman and now, Ed Rendell.

    Cool.

    As for the usual FoxNews haters, Screw ya'. The ratings say it all.

    And just as a reminder, the last 2 elections were 50/50. America is not yet a majority idiot nation.

    Oh, yeah, and this election; I can't frikkin wait. We're gonna destroy you guys this time. And with that Socialist fool McCain too!

    ROFLMAO...

  • There are no Republicans in the Congress or the Bush administration THAT AREN'T HYPERPARTISAN:

    ROVE AND CHENEY ARE THE WORSE - THEY ARE PARTISAN HACKS

  • You just talk this way to impress the girls.

    LMAO

  • "Joe Lieberman, Zell Miller and NOW, Ed Rendell!"

    That's some party, VerbotenDingleberry!

  • Political suicide!

    Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!

  • ED RENDELL, he does not know it yet but i think he is riding a short wave in PA. He talks like he knows everything in everyones heart and minds, YUK.

  • I'm amazed by how many libs watch FOX news. No wonder why their ratings are through the roof (because there can't be that many neocons in the world). Keep up the good work and tell the world what their doing wrong. And to the post that said CBS and NBC are neutral...you're kidding right?? You have to stop watching FOX and see how those other networks are covering Obama...like horny, star struck, schoolgirls.

  • What an idiot this Rendell guy is...that is like complimenting Iran and North Korea because they hate us equally...and this guy is governor?...jeez...MORE EVIDENCE THAT CLINTON IS WILLING TO DO ANYTHING TO WIN, EVEN IF THAT MEANS DESTROYING THE DEMOCRAT PARTY (By calling out the "biased" media who are on the democrats side!!!!). First complimenting mccain, then threating Pelosi with High end donors, now complimenting the network that continually bashes democrats...what next?...endorse mccain...

  • "They are the only conservative leaning network out of all networks"

    And the most vapid, vacuous and vindictive.

    Examples:

    Obama-madrassa smear lie.

    Putting (D) in front of (R) congressman caught in sex scandal.

    Fluff stories about missing white women or non sense rescue or car chase.

  • Well, we all know where this is headed. In a couple of months, Hilary and Gov. Rendell will become charter members in the Joe Lieberman Party and hop aboard the Straight Talkin Express in order to fight for more war in the Middle East.

  • hahaha, what a screwed up network, faux noise....what a joke to journalism.

    With ratings already down, begging for Obama to show up(yeah, like that will happen), this crooked network will fade away....bye bye fixed news

  • Lol this is a good one. FOX news being called fair and balanced by a Liberal... I think both FOX and MSNBC are jokes but Hillary's campaign really stoop to levels that low.... She is pathetic and desperate.... Give it up Hillary...

  • Everybody knows Fox News is Unfair and Unbalanced, echo piece for the white house and republicans. That's no secret. Its the great elephant in the room. He probably said it to be nice. Fox News is Farrrrrrrrrr Right.

    ABC, NBC, CBS is neutral. Msnbc is slightly to the left. CNN debatable. There is no equivalent to fox news on TV, Air America is comparable but thats on radio.

  • you libtards would not know fair and balanced if it hit you in the face. What is good for the left is not good nor fair for the right.

  • shirleybell1, of course another RIGHT-WING Fox news watching, walking talking point comes in & has NO substance to add to the discussion. Instead this SHEEP simply attacks, calls people names and offers no ideas of interest. How shallow is this sheep? Go to the nuts page & you will find a BLANK page, that is the substance of the poster. The poster might see my words & attack me about my Keith Olbermann video LOL. I posted it because he exposed Wal Mart for suing a woman who lost her son in Iraq

  • UTBESUX, I got your email and tried to reply to you twice. It didn't go thru. :)

  • he had a tingling in his leg when he said that? um yea, we would prefer that you keep it in your pants there stevie.

  • its unbelievable how someone could make such an inaccurate comment like that... and its coming from a liberal for god sakes.

    fox news is neither fair nor balanced.

  • WOW, i wonder if he has ever actually watched fox. fair and balanced is the last thing it is.

  • I have been watching evening news since the days of Uncle Walter. I have seen Dan Rather smiling when he had a hit piece on Republicans and I have seen him look apoligetic when he was forced to report on the missdeeds of Dems.

  • have you ever watched CBS, NBC,ABC, CNN? do you call them fair or biased?

  • i didnt say they were. they are just as bad.

  • I call them the corporate media. They don't report they simply repeat and allow people to come on and say propaganda without being challenged. We can have an endless debate on this but the FACTS are that FIVE major corporations control ALL of the information we get. They have investments in war etc and there is NO way we will get any balanced news. THEY ARE A CORPORATION! America is vastly becoming one of the worst propaganda outlets in the world. WE need to do research to get the REAL news

  • You know it is true-sad to say. Fox has been more fair in Dem race compared to the other 2 cables nets. So many people totally turned off esp. w/MSBC?? Those guys have gone over the deep-end. Their love affair with BO. Everyone I know of have just truned them off. We all wonder why the MSM does not mention a word regarding the Sinclair story-it needs to be addressed. Because its growing more each day. This election is exposeing the controlled MSM. Everyone is truning off from it.

  • The greatness of Obama--> watch?v=OW1p56ahlio

  • Just shows how completely fucked the Clinton Campaign is. They consider Fox fair & balanced. Clinton needs to stop sucking Murdoch's dick.

  • bullshit, fox is only propaganda.

  • ALL OF THE MEDIA in America is a JOKE! We have a mere FIVE HUGE corporations that control all of the mainstream news. Some have contracts in Iraq, that would be NBC'S General Electric. There are literally thousands of stories that doesn't get reported. They ALL play us, they feed the left and right. Except Fox, they are indeed the biggest propaganda network in the world. How many have heard what happened to the 2 Republicans from Homeland security that were BUSTED with underage boys and girls?

  • rendell, another republican posing as a democrat.

  • Fox News is a non-stop GOP informal by Republican, Billionaire, Big Business guys done to recruit tools like you and me.

  • And CNN stands for Clinton News Network. What was the figure from the New York Times; 90% of all print and TV media vote Democrat. Boy! I sure believe in their ability to be objective an unbiased. Dan Rather was smiling his ass off whenever he thought he had a good hit piece on a Republican even when it was total bullshit. Peter Jennings couldn't wait to critisize Bush for not being visible enough in the hours after 911.

  • MATT C'MON, that "hit piece" in Bush was NOT B.S. It was the sources of the story. Some wondered if it wasn't planted to Dan from Rove. I don't because I don't care GEORGE W BUSH WAS IN FACT A.W.O.L! BUSH WASN'T VISIBLE after 911 which HAPPENED on his watch. many times the media is called liberal & that is a flat out joke. Pat Buchanan said they started that but didn't expect it to spread like it did. Google it. ALL media is full of shit and here we are fighting over it. Fox NEWS is propaganda.

  • Fox news is pretty much kicking everone elses ass because they are objective and would you mind telling me how the Bush administration can be so dumb as libs like to tell us and so smart that they control everything in the world at the same time?

  • not all people on the left believe the Bush all powerful knocked down the towers stuff. He is horribly incompetent, if he can't even complete the basic affairs of government how could he instigate a major consiracy against the american people.

  • How can you know how incompetant a Democrat president is if the press is biased and does not report or even investigate their administrations. You guys should be happy when Republicans are in office. Its the only time most major news organazations ever wake up and do their job. When Dems are in office the tactic seems to be Ignorance is bliss.

  • where you alive during the clinton years? To make the arguement the media is liberal, which i believe you are doing, runs straight up against the Murdocks and other conservative figures that have slowly consolidated the traditional media down to a few voices and view points. I don't know what country you've been in but the Bush administration cares more about loyalty to the president then competent governance. case and point the recent resignation of the HUD secretary.

  • My point is that when Rep. are in office you are made aware of every controversial thing they are doing by the press. In short; They are watched closely. That's why Bush has taken it on the chin over the FISA act and spying on terrorist. CBS,CNN,ABC and whoever else you want to throw in was oddly quiet when Janet Reno implemented Carnivore which spied on DOMESTIC EMAIL of citezens right here in the US of A. Dubai Port deal? Press howling! Missle gudence to china? Press silent.

  • having said that i think that's not ideologically based but more because of the nature of Rep. politics. A senator from the party of homophobia gets caught giving head in a restroom, can you say hypocrisy aka a newstory you can talk about for months, while if the democrat Smokie Mcsmokesmcrack gets busted with rocks its less of a story because Dems don't go on and on about torching snowmen.

  • I could have sworn that it was Bill Clinton who signed the Defense of Marrige Act.

  • i noticed people always call the station that cators specificaly to there point of view "fair and balanced". arabs say al jazeera is fair and balance, doesnt make it true. bbc is the only good one i can think of, and cnn is a distant second.

  • wow

  • more a tinkling up his ass than a tinkling up his leg. i say. the governor is under some jedi mind thing.

  • It's not news coverage that's killing Clinton's campaign. It's lack of money.

  • Liberals do not like straight talk, that is why they hate fox news, either you believe what the libs say or you are dumb, or a racist, or a sexist, or anything derogatory that pops into their empty heads. The libs cannot think or rationalize for themselves, they need the bullshit artists like Olbermann and Mathews, or MSNBC, CNN, to name just a few. Libs need to try something new, like thinking for themselves.

  • Yeah OKAY you speak of STRAIGHT talk, funny that coming from a guy who's party if loaded with closeted gays. Oh STRAIGHT talk, I get it. First let me start off by saying NOT all people who hate what Bush & the Republicans have done are liberals but your ignorance will NEVER see that.

    So your party and Fox News is str8 talk according to you? No, that s propaganda that feeds on smalled minded people who are full of hate. So you are a viewer good for you. You bring NOTHING to the debate.

  • U SUCK; How do you know what my party is, or if I belong to one, has all that sucking left a vacuum in your head, you could not get anything straight, and if you are a lib or not ,I don't give a damn, your still an asshole, which gives you a head start if you want to join the dems.

  • horse shit

  • Thanks for you comments.

    How will Gov. Rendell's comments effect Hillary Clinton?

    Check out the Veracifier forum.

  • HRC getting cozy with the Republican smear machine? Maybe she'll run on a Republican ticket against Obama in 2012. Wouldn't be much freakier than what's already been going on. Or maybe she'll switch parties before the 2008 conventions and try to wrest it from McCain with some sort of coup.

  • Casey and Murphy you are one and done. We will not forget next time.

    Obama is TOAST since Rev Wright & SEX with LARRY

    The story going around is some guy is saying he had sex with Obama his name is Larry / just type in Obama and Larry to check it out

    Obama has ties to a former leader of the violent left-wing activist group the Weather Underground are drawing new scrutiny. FBI looking?

    Republicans are just sitting on this Larry story

  • To hobo71 you forgot to mention in your smear list the FOX news about the radical Islam schooling of Obama. Republicans have been using smear campaigns for too long, and they shoot their own foot. Americans are furious with Bush's followers and the Republican party because Washington is not serving the people of this country. Smear campaigns do not improve schools, do not generate jobs, and never generate opportunities and prosperity.

  • sorry i meant Fox leans right.

  • Does that mean the the NY Times, chicago tribune, NBC, and CBS should be destroyed? Of course not. I'm not denying that FOx leans left...But Libs can never admit that the majority of the other outlets lean left. The party that believes in freedom of speech and civil liberties wants to silence the opposition? Is that what enlightened intellectuals stand for?

  • you know, if you watch fox, throw out the already established opinions, then watch other stations, you will notice something. that something is that pretty much ever fox anchor is a republican and they almost always spend most of there shows expressing there own opinions. that as well as the the sensationalism. i dont know how they linked britons healthcare system to terroism, but somehow they did, and i couldnt stop laughing. look it up, its the most shallow news report ive hears in awhile.

  • sontam, I really can't agree with you. I do think that your make good points though because it should be debated. Make your case & we'll talk more about it. Pat Buchanan said that the liberal thing was a propaganda ploy the Republicans started & they didn't expect it to be such a success. I see FOX spread absolute lies about dems & the left. I don't see that with the others. I am not defending them. They are called liberal media when they report facts on Iraq or anything bad about Bush.

  • When was the last time you heard Ron Paul's name on faux news?

    They establishment biased!

    Not fair. Not balanced. Faux News.

  • Hey shaire, shouldn't the "smart" people just ignore Fox, and just dismiss them like "enlightened" folks should. They only give them creedence by bringing them up, every chance they get. And why do so many Dems watch O'reilly and Hannity and Colmes?? Is it the car wreck phenomena??More dems watch Fox than Repubs watch Olbermann(what a researcher he is).

  • In order for Obama to win the November election for President, he needs to win in Pennsylvania. In fact, NO, NONE, ZERO Dem has ever won the preisdency without PENN, so....OBAMA and the DEMS need the Democratic Gov of PENN to win in Nov. KEITH OBERMAN is an idiot for beating up every DEM that doesn't agree with his love affair with Obama.

    And so are these hit pieces on you tube.

  • Not in the primary. The stats are that he has to win it in Nov and polls support that. So would Hillary. He is expected to win all the states Hillary is expected to win plus some smaller states like Hawaii and Washington....

  • I can not believe it... Ed Rendell, god damn it, the whole Clinton camp are REALLY throwing the kitchen sink now. It's so bad, it's comical.

  • Rendell reminds me of a Mafia goon.

  • The libs have: all of the major networks, most of the newspapers, the big blogs, hollywood, the music industry, european news outlets(especially the BBC), major magazines, the education system, the unions...the right has FOX news and a few radio personalities, and they still cry FOUL. Wow...talk about unfair and unbalanced. The odds are stacked against the right...and the left still want FOX destroyed.

  • sont, Have you ever thought about why the very people who do the most research into what's really happening, the down to detail people who don't just 'listen' to Faux and Rush and crap like that, are the ones you call liberal? Those who make in depth news their lives are those who realize the 'humanity' of life rather than the 'soap selling' aspect of telling hicks what to think?

    Conservatives hate 'intellectuals', you know, Smart people. Why is that?

  • "and the left still want FOX destroyed."

    After the Obama-madrassa smear.

    After numerous incident where repub pol caught in scandal identified as dem in the chyron.

    After .. oh sont if you still believe Fox news does not deserve to be exposed as the partisan hack that it is then what else can we say?

  • that gov is a fag. he must have been in the same room as the fox anchor when he felt the govs hand or was it his cock tingling on his leg.

  • You go rendell. Speak the truth!!!!!

  • Yikes! What is UP over there at Clinton HQ?

    I remember the 90s, when the Clintons had a fantastic organization and everyone was on message. This crew is a gaffe a minute! Number one, going on Fox and Friends in the first place, but number two, what possible benefit would you get in a Democratic primary from praising FOX? Is there another Democrat outside the Clinton braintrust who thinks Fox is fair and balanced?

  • Apressello said: "I remember the 90s"

    Hillary is no Bill, and it's all about the man or the woman at the top is my guess.

  • The funny part about that is that it was Bill Clinton and his race baiting ahead of the South Carolina primary that turned me off of Hillary. Until then I had been planning to vote for her.

  • That's your opinion. Thanks to the magic of cable news and Youtube, I watched what Bill Clinton said before and after SC. My opinion is that Bill Clinton did race bait in SC, and so his wife lost my vote. I am really not interested in the Obama campaign's opinion on the subject.

  • Apres: You are wrong, he was called a racist before the S.C. primary, which supposedly caused all the blacks to vote for Nobama, what was said after the primary is moot. Every one is entitled to their opinion, but remember that opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

  • No, see, I don't care if Bill Clinton was called a racist or not. If you think Obama's people did that and it offends you, great, don't vote for him. In my opinion Bill Clinton engaged in race baiting, it mattered to me what he said after the SC primary because it changed my vote.

  • Apres; You really are as stupid as you sound. I care not who you vote for, neither Nobama or Hillary will win, Hillary has too much to answer for, and if Nobama gets the nomination, you will find things about him that will surprise you.

  • VERY immature and non-democratic free speech to mark comments as spam just because they don't agree with your own views.

  • I can't believe it, you're still here pointing fingers. The only comments that are marked as spam that are not spam were by nebaioth critical of HRC and another one promoting Obama videos. It's a common tactic by HRC supporters to mark unfavorable comments as spam. What's your point?

  • R0SEBUD789 now Rose and I have not agreed on many things but this is something I will agree with. Rate low if you will but to flag as spam really does a diservice because YouTube will ignore them when it is real spam. I have been marked as spam by more right-wingers then I can count. Oh I JUST read this "HRC supporters to mark unfavorable comments as spam". Okay never mind my lecture is over and now means NOTHING lol..HILARY supporters what the F have you become?

  • utbesux, she is being ridiculous. I actually searched this board for the comments that were marked as spam, and there were some that said copy this in 4 horus or your mom dies. Obviously spam. The only one I found that was not spam by ANY stretch, was one by nebaioth which exposed another Hillary lie. That's my point. r0se keeps pointing fingers and distorting everything in the process. That's what she always did. She spammed this whole board trying to frame me for stupid stuff.

  • By trying to suck up to Fox News, A bastion for filth and lies, Ed Rendell is further muddying Clinton's democratic appeal.

    She isnt helping either: Comments where she praises McCain and questions Obama's electablily isnt a "Kitchen Sink" approach. Its a "Gutter" approach.

    In her desperation to get Michigan and Florida back on the map, she badmouths NH, who VOTED for her.

    How can she seriously expect to win, with tactics like that?

    As you'd probably suspect, Obama 08. XD

  • "obama was educated in a madrasa" ya that's fair and balanced

  • Rose you know that's not true. Right on? saying Fox is fair & balanced? Now that you support Hilary which I don't have a problem with you LOVE Fox News and Hate Keith Olbermann. Are you weak minded or is Hilary really worth selling out everything you once valued as substance? I urge you to see the new clip that this poster posted. I SWEAR TO GOD, if you can prove that Hilary is telling the truth I will send you ONE THOUSAND dollars. So I ask you to watch and get back to me!

  • LOL I'm surprised. You recognized that you just embarassed yourself. Maybe there is hope for you after all. Recognition is the first step they say.

  • These intentions and your allegations of vested interest and the other delirious nonsense you've accused me of are only in your head. All I did was debate the issue, but you chose to make a fool out of yourself by attacking me personally instead and accusing me of the silliest ulterior motives. That's on you not on me. If you can't defend your position any other way than to play victim and insult people, that says a lot.

    As I said, feel sorry for yourself first.

  • Look at you, how ugly and hateful you get. Poking in the dark for personal attacks. Man, your life must really suck.

  • Oh my goodness, you are really slow on the uptake. It points out a major conflict of interest in HRC's health care plan, using taxes and wages to pay for the premiums while cutting the clients out of the process. How pathetic of you to try and create some ad hominem attack against me out of that. Keep going, expose your hate and your desperate tactics ;)

  • You should feel sorry for yourself first. I am serious about that.

  • Rose you never responded to my email. I think that you are ill informed about Hilary and I offered to talk to you about some issues. I sent the email because I don't want to debate with limits like YouTube has. I am NOT trying to change your mind. I am sure you are a good person and smart too but when it comes to some of the things you said about Obama they were not true. I am not trying to change your support of Hillary I am simply trying to inform you period.

  • Your headline on your channel says "Piss off". So, you do try to piss people off, according to what you're putting out there on YouTube.

  • and the earth is a dial! fox sucks! don't get manipulated from the conservatives!

  • vertigate, I'm not asking you to be nice, and I'm not asking anyone to be nice. I'm telling you that Hillary supporters are telling me more and more that they are so sick of it all over the internet, that they are going to vote for McCain or stay home.

    I said I thought your approach to me was arrogant. I don't think that's anywhere near as rude as saying, "Get a life". I've said that before and immediately felt like an ass.

  • bla bla bla r0sebud is a saint, cause she only tells people sometimes (not often) to get a life. But it's ok for her to be unreasonable and make personal accusations against everyone while arrogantly refusing any debate on the issues and insulting the people who seek serious debate as being arrogant. Do you sometimes think that maybe you're a bit full of yourself?

  • I think you project you own personality into your comments about others, vertigate.

    Tell me, why is it so important for you to debate? Aren't there debate classes for that?

  • Oh geez, I wonder why anyone would want to debate the issue with lobbyists and how they influence policies such as HRC's mandate, that basically gives a free pass to her insurance lobbyists buddies. What's the point of this when you can whine about being attacked all day and how FOX News iss so fair and balanced LOL Yea, I guess, I just need to take a debate class.

  • Don't confuse me saying that I think YOU'RE approach is arrogant, with me saying that about everyone. I'm ONLY talking about you. Someone else might ask me that question and I'd happily debate them. I don't like how you ask me, it's not fun for me, and how I know I won't get anywhere with you, so it's pointless. I make friends with others and enjoy their conversation.

  • What's your fucking point? You said my approach is arrogant, when I challenged you on a debate on that very same issue about HRC's lobbyist sponsors. So you ARE saying that this approach is arrogant. You're crazy and you talk nothing but hot air. It's ridiculous.

  • If you attack the approach, then you're saying it for everyone NOT just for me. And it reflects badly on yourself first and foremost.

  • vertigate, are you only capable of having debates on issues, is that why you obsessively talk about it? So you can feel like you can win? Because I've never, ever talked to anyone on here who will not let the debate topic stop.

    Here's a question for you, why do reports say John Edwards excpets less money from lobbyists than Obama? HRC accepts money from healthcare, and I don't care. It's possible that mandated healthcare will benefit everyone if everyone is insured. Just like car insurance.

  • You don't like how I ask you? I said verbatim:

    "But that aside, it has just been pointed out to you, that Hillary is #1 with insurance lobbyists. Don't you see a conflict with her putting a mandate into her health care plan? Just asking you a serious question."

    You refused to debate. There is NOTHING in my approach that could have put you off. It's just the fact, that you refuse to debate. And that's on you, not me.

  • vertigate: It's like trying to talk to a drunk person, or a crazy person. You get nowhere. So, goodbye. Enjoy your day.

  • Oh Edwards. Last time I checked Edwards was not in the race anymore. But if you want to rely on reports, show me those reports to begin with, before you ask me questions about it. Last time I checked on the fec . gov site, Edwards did take money from PACs and Obama didn't. If you have any sponsors that I didn't know of, please go ahead and try to throw that at Obama. The point is though, HRC is putting the mandate into her plan and Obama isn't. I think that's the bigger issue.

  • And now you're calling me drunk and crazy. Well, if self-righteous saint-in-her-own-mind r0sebud says it, it must be true I guess LOL Not like she would attack people because she doesn't like the way the debate is going.

  • I didn't call you drunk and crazy, if you would carefully read what I wrote. I said talking to you is, "LIKE" talking to a drunk or crazy person.

  • r0sebud said: "I didn't call you drunk and crazy, if you would carefully read what I wrote. I said talking to you is, "LIKE" talking to a drunk or crazy person."

    This is ridiculous, I will put that up here without any further comment.

  • vertigate, I am delighted with the mandate. I think Obama's plan of voluntarily signing on will fail. Just like if you give driver's the choice to buy car insurance, far too many won't, and that raises rates on everyone else. I believe we've had this conversation before. I LIKE THE MANDATE, Okay? I think it's no different than car insurance. People bitched about that at first, too. Now everyone thinks it's smart.

  • About the mandate, what you fail to realize is that insurance companies will raise their prices when they have no demand pressure. It's basic economics. People will buy insurance when it is affordable, but if the question of affordability is discussed only between the government and the insurance companies, you have corporatism, and your income as well as your taxes are ultimately at stake to pay for the higher premiums for everyone. It's a pretty clear favor done by HRC to her lobbyist buddies.

  • Again, these lobbyists don't sponsor any campaign for free. They expect something in return. And when it comes to premiums, their interests are clearly opposed to yours.

  • vertigate: DUH! A kindergartener can know that. Lobbyists have influence. Unions have influence. Racial groups have influence. Voters have influence. Politicians do not ever base decisions in a vacuumn and enter office owing somebody. All of them do. Do you work in that industry and is that why you are so obsessed with talking about it?

  • Now, this is why I didn't want to debate with you, because no matter what I say, you will have another reply, and so on and so on and so on. As I said, this is for your own selfish pleasure, not mine. It suits you, not me. Maybe it's the only topic you are knowlegable on, or only topic you are passionate about, or it's something you have a vested interest in. I don't know. But I knew you were trying to push me into a conversation that only benefits you. I've heard all this from you in the past.

  • LOL whatever. You can't stop accusing me and insulting me. Selfish pleasure, suits me not you, vested interest? And you call me a crazy person? Look in the mirror. Your whole attitude is just condescending and self-righteous. That's on you, not on me. You admit that lobbyists demand favors even though you insult me for pointing it out. I think the connection I showed you is obvious. That's it. I was trying to elicit your reasons to support HRC, but you're clearly defensive and it's tedious now.

  • Rose, Hillary gets more money from the insurance lobby than any other. HER health plan is to FORCE all people to get health care. That's a HUGE win for the industry because now they can screw ALL Americans. Think about this. Hilary and MCain get their money from HUGE corporations. OBAMA does not, his comes from the people. He owes no corporations any favors but he owes the people their voice and I believe he will deliver that. He is a threat to Fox news and corporations. They lie about him

  • you know what ....

    according to my friend in Taiwan where they have universal health care

    and yes you have to pay monthly even you are not using it but when you have emergency or operation ......you almost pay NOTHING!!!!!

    just an example......

  • What would be interesting is the fact that when a scandal breaks out Ed Rendell will ask for FOX to help save his career, and they will look the other way!

  • Ed Rendell is right. Hell thats where all Hillary supporters get their news. Obama gets a free ride from MSNBC and CNN. I wish it was different but until they stop thinking Obama is the messiah I'll stick with Fox News.

  • Tingling in his "leg"?

  • fox news= the free ride for mccain network

  • Summary: During a segment of The O'Reilly Factor to discuss "What is the downside of having a woman become the president of the United States?" author Marc Rudov's initial response to the question was, "You mean besides the PMS and the mood swings, right?" Rudov later asserted: "Well, you know, I'm joking. Of course, the main problem I have is if a woman has a female agenda." OKAY, ED, FAIR & BALANCED! You have gone beyond bringing our party down, now you are embarrassing our party! PLEASE STOP

  • ROFLMAO!!!!!! Ed Rendell way to suck it up to the right wing media. You know your candidate has no chance with REAL democrats. I knew she was a closet Repug all along...hahaha!!!!Fair and balanced....LOL

  • fox news could go to hell they have nothing but puppet over there they know how wrong they are thats why they came out with that fair and balance crap....fair my ass

  • donottake, I completely agree with you. I don't ever remember the media being this irresponsible in the past. I think it has something to do with 24 hour cable news stations being our main source of news, instead of the nightly news we used to watch on CBS, NBC, and ABC.

  • "The media has been trying to shove Obama down our throats and trying to persuade us to vote for him."

    You mean like when they try to smear Obama with Madrassa nonsense or the Wright Gate bruhaha?

    It seems you're just bitter that the mud doesn't stick on Obama.