Never used to dislike black people, but since they been coming out with that horribly awful and degrading music coupled with the fact that they voted 70% in favor of prop 8, makes me not like too kindly at this generation of african americans. Isn't it ironic that black people were discriminated against merely decades ago. Hipocrits! Where Kramer when you need him.
One of the things I find very interesting about the Gay and Lesbian movement is that they are to denounce christians as homophobic hypocrites trying to push their beliefs on others. When in actuality if that is the case, Gays and Lesbians are doing the very same thing. You cannot make someone accept your lifestyle, PERIOD!! And what is sad about about Prop8 is that the real mentality of Gays and lesbians has come to the forefront. Forceful confrontation because voters did not agree with them.
What about churches that want to marry gay people? Their religious rights are being compromised.
What about gay people that want to have a nonreligious weddings at a courthouse like many heterosexual couples do?
Can you step back for a second and realize you are making brash generalizations and broad strokes about a very varied cultural segment of America that just wants its rights and privileges?
I have always been a very strong advocate for human rights. I am also pro-family. Family is the backbone of the society. Shutting out 10% of the population from the institution of family is discriminatory and unhealthy for society. Being pro-family means accepting diverse families, not promoting elitist rhetoric that only favours one group.
Gay rights are not civil rights. Gay rights have piggy-backed the efforts of civil rights long enough. This article once again displays the wolf in sheeps clothing tactics of some gay activist by highlighting the civil right struggles of a genus group of people and try make their grievances (the genus group) similar to their own(homosexuals.) Regardless of what is said, there is NO GAY GENE and no definitive proof that people are born that way. [continued]
[continued] If there is a gay gene or a definitive way to tell if someone was born gay I hope it is found very soon. I believe then we could test people and let them know if they are actually gay or not. Then we would know if people civil rights are truly being violated and who else is just along for the ride. I truly believe people like the author don't want that because it would truly undermine their overall campaign.
Fine, we don't need fake individuals piggybacking off of individuals who have TRULY suffered atrocities unimaginable. Everytime I listen to a gay person try and make their point for equal rights, they mention the civil rights movement of African Americans in the 60's. The bottom line is, blacks were strung up and mutilated because of the COLOR of their skin. Not the DECISION to be GAY. You only need to look at the countless numbers of individuals who make a CHOICE to be GAY. Blacks R born black!
I voted for Obama and I am a gay man. When I heard that 7 out of 10 blacks in CA. voted for prop 8 I was sick about it.
WHo owns the words "Civil Rights", and Equal rights?" It is for all people, not just blacks.
Gay people will fight for these rights and we shall also overcome the bigotry and discrimination that folks have against us. We are not inferior to you.
When the first link of a chain is forged, the first speech censured, the first thought prohibited or denied, chains us all forever.
Whenever freedoms and rights of any group, whether it is a favorite one of our own party or a current pariah are trodden on, we are all damaged irrevocably.
The entire FUD campaign such as this, used to promote a such profanity as Prop 8 is and was, harms us all.
Have we become so fearful & cowardly that we must extinguish a groups rights just to validate ours?
To me civil rights is when I have the freedom to make certain choices with my life where the no one included the government will restrict me to do so. Gay Marriage is a Civil Right by all means, because people should be able to have the same benefits everybody else, if not there is no equality. That is when I realize that the U.S. of A. is a country of lies, at least in the sense that the citizens do not support the main core value of the nation. That is freedom for all.
Coretta Scott King and Martin Luther king BOTH Supported Gay rights and called a it a civil issue. YOU ARE WRONG LADY. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN? Disgusting slight of hand on your part. SHAME ON YOU
I think these 4 'people' (even judges are just people) should NOT have had the power to overturn something that has been voted upon by a solid majority *more than once* in a state of millions of people. That was wrong.
"Marriage" is defined as a union of a man and a woman. If two men or two women wanna hook up, whatever, but do not call it 'marriage'. That's like calling basketball baseball. Do you play basketball with a stick and run around bases? No. It's definition is different. Same thing.
I have heard several local,state,national civil rights leaders speak on Prop 8. All of them have stated, "This is not about civil rights, its about special rights!"
If you are born black, you die black.
If you are born Jewish, you die Jewish.
Whether or not to be gay is a choice. A person may choose to be gay and then choose to go straight. The behavior is changeable. Therefore, this is not a civil right, it is a special right the gay's seek. Vote Yes on 8. No special rights!
"Civil Rights" does not refer solely to the struggles of people of color, it refers to the legal rights of citizens.
The issue of gay marriage is a people's struggle for civil rights. The same rights extended legally to hetero couples must be applied to gay couples. Rights granted by marriage and honored by the state, including health care, parental rights, tax status etc, must be applicable to gay as well as hetero unions. Anything else is discrimination.
LOL Rome was not built in a day. Give it time my friend.. give it time. But hopefully this will be stopped before it ever gets started.
You call money and property.. it was lives! You want to focus only on money to spin it your way. The Church would have been ripped apart by the Govt and the Lord saw fit to allow adjustment. Besides.. when the church went global.. polygamy could not be universal.. so it would have ended.
Once gays have the "right" to be married, they will not tolerate a church that will not recognize their marriage. They will not tolerate that a specific church won't "marry" them. They won't tolerate any sort of "discrimination" against their now "legal" status.
Don't think that they can't get the Govt to make churches do or not do something. Just ask the Mormons about Polygamy and how the Govt MADE them give it up or else! Give gays the "rights" of marriage but call it something else!
Mormons should be prepared for blowback from their participation if Prop 8 passes.
They aren't going to get a free pass on this one.
Gov Boggs was trying to deal with an out of control mormon church that was trying to take over Jackson County Missouri. It was wrong, but when the mormons started to destroy printing presses, had Danites going around killing and intimidating people -- it probably seemed reasonable to him.
Today I attended a Yes on 8 rally with people of all races and colors in attendance.The speakers, mainly African American, were OUTRAGED by this being called a Civil Rights issue.There is NO COMPARISON with what the black people of our country went through before finally being given equal civil rights under the law.They are still often treated with less equality & respect, which is shameful.Yes ON 8 is about preserving society and traditional marriage.The other side is about "Special Rights"
Constitutional amendments should be used to expand freedom, not restrict it, Coretta Scott King said Tuesday.
"Gay and lesbian people have families, and their families should have legal protection, whether by marriage or civil union," she said. "A constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages is a form of gay bashing and it would do nothing at all to protect traditional marriages."
While I don't believe gay marriage is the same fight as civil rights, I do think it has similarities to the fight for interracial marriage. Many of the same arguments being made against gay marriage are the same arguments that were made against interracial marriage. The only difference is that it's harder to argue that being gay is not a choice. But being gay isn't a choice, just like being straight isn't a choice, and there is a lot of research coming out in support of this.
The comparison of yes prop 8 to the civil rights movement is so prevalent and so wrong. It hurts to be called a bigot. (I have done the sign waving and trust me it happens.) In particular when some of those calling you bigot may not be fulling aware of what Prop 8 is trying to protect. Thanks for the great video. I hope many see it. Vote yes to 8
Wonderful video. Legalizing gay marriage can in no way be compared to the fight for civil rights. For starters, gays already have ALL the right under the domestic partnership law. I agree with beetlebabee in that childrens' rights outweigh adults sexual perferences. Please VOTE YES on PROP.8!!
This was a beautifully done video. It explains how prop 8 is not about civil rights in simple and understandable terms. Thank your for sharing it with us.
Thank you for hitting a point that I have been thinking about for years. When did a sexual choice become a state that requires civil rights? Sexual orientation is NOT a race. It is a way of life that is a choice, just like an alcoholic, who has the alcoholic gene has to choose whether to drink or not.
Wonderful video- really makes you think twice about what this is REALLY all about. It's not a civil rights issue as is being stated by many who oppose it. It's simply protecting the age old definition of marriage- the foundation of our society.
As a lawyer and former law professor, I can say that the divided state Supreme Court overturned 150 years of state law that defined marriage between a man and a woman. It also contradicted all federal laws that define marriage as between a man and a woman, including Social Security, Medicare, veteran's benefits, etc. In other words, four judges ignored virtually all state and federal law and the votes of 4,618,673 Californians who approved the traditional definition of marriage.
Children's rights are above adult sexual preference. Kids deserve to have a mom AND a dad. Schools are for education, not social experimentation laboratories.
There is so much confusion about Prop 8. Civil rights are not being taken away from anyone unless Prop 8 fails. Then the only ones losing rights will be parents and children.
Before she died, Corretta Scott King stated her opposition to any constitutional amendments regarding gay marriage.
Martin Luther King's trusted adviser, Bayard Rustin, was openly gay and worked hard for the civil rights of all Americans. He was tapped to organize the Montgomery Bus Boycott and the 1963 March on Washington.
Gays worked hard for African Americans to have civil rights. It's time for a little gratitude.
To promote same-sex marriage as a civil right, and that homosexuals are being discriminated against, is an offensive move - to those who have truly been discriminated against.
I've been very interested to see this and a number of other videos by African American leaders which express their view point on how well the current issue of same-sex marriage can be compared to their struggle. I have yet to hear a single person disagree with the opinion expressed in this video. Frankly, I agree with them.
Here is a link to an article that explains how gay rights are infringing upon religous freedoms - Google this: When Gay Rights and Religious Liberties Clash by Barbara Bradley Hagerty
If public schools aren't interested in teaching gay marriage in public schools than why did the California Teacher's Union donate $1.25 Million to No on 8?
Vote YES on 8. Protect parental rights and religious freedoms.
60% of Heterosexuals are married in California, 4% of Gays married when given the chance in California.
Based on statistics, not the Algayda lies, gays don't want to get married.
Stop the charades Algayda.
bethYeson8 3 years ago
Never used to dislike black people, but since they been coming out with that horribly awful and degrading music coupled with the fact that they voted 70% in favor of prop 8, makes me not like too kindly at this generation of african americans. Isn't it ironic that black people were discriminated against merely decades ago. Hipocrits! Where Kramer when you need him.
nostayer 3 years ago
Well it looks like we are going back to the cali Supreme Courts ,,the date has been set, so hold on to your seats every one.
Clemburke1111 3 years ago
This is shocking! what freakin nerve!!
rsk825 3 years ago
One of the things I find very interesting about the Gay and Lesbian movement is that they are to denounce christians as homophobic hypocrites trying to push their beliefs on others. When in actuality if that is the case, Gays and Lesbians are doing the very same thing. You cannot make someone accept your lifestyle, PERIOD!! And what is sad about about Prop8 is that the real mentality of Gays and lesbians has come to the forefront. Forceful confrontation because voters did not agree with them.
michaiarki 3 years ago
What about churches that want to marry gay people? Their religious rights are being compromised.
What about gay people that want to have a nonreligious weddings at a courthouse like many heterosexual couples do?
Can you step back for a second and realize you are making brash generalizations and broad strokes about a very varied cultural segment of America that just wants its rights and privileges?
SilentAntagonist 3 years ago
I have always been a very strong advocate for human rights. I am also pro-family. Family is the backbone of the society. Shutting out 10% of the population from the institution of family is discriminatory and unhealthy for society. Being pro-family means accepting diverse families, not promoting elitist rhetoric that only favours one group.
tomeurofire 3 years ago
Gay rights are not civil rights. Gay rights have piggy-backed the efforts of civil rights long enough. This article once again displays the wolf in sheeps clothing tactics of some gay activist by highlighting the civil right struggles of a genus group of people and try make their grievances (the genus group) similar to their own(homosexuals.) Regardless of what is said, there is NO GAY GENE and no definitive proof that people are born that way. [continued]
freelancepimp 3 years ago
[continued] If there is a gay gene or a definitive way to tell if someone was born gay I hope it is found very soon. I believe then we could test people and let them know if they are actually gay or not. Then we would know if people civil rights are truly being violated and who else is just along for the ride. I truly believe people like the author don't want that because it would truly undermine their overall campaign.
freelancepimp 3 years ago
Dee Garret make me want to vommit. I WILL NEVER DEFEND AFRICAN AMERICANS AGAIN!!! Your on your own from now on.
Clemburke1111 3 years ago
Fine, we don't need fake individuals piggybacking off of individuals who have TRULY suffered atrocities unimaginable. Everytime I listen to a gay person try and make their point for equal rights, they mention the civil rights movement of African Americans in the 60's. The bottom line is, blacks were strung up and mutilated because of the COLOR of their skin. Not the DECISION to be GAY. You only need to look at the countless numbers of individuals who make a CHOICE to be GAY. Blacks R born black!
michaiarki 3 years ago
I voted for Obama and I am a gay man. When I heard that 7 out of 10 blacks in CA. voted for prop 8 I was sick about it.
WHo owns the words "Civil Rights", and Equal rights?" It is for all people, not just blacks.
Gay people will fight for these rights and we shall also overcome the bigotry and discrimination that folks have against us. We are not inferior to you.
EternalSSA 3 years ago
When the first link of a chain is forged, the first speech censured, the first thought prohibited or denied, chains us all forever.
Whenever freedoms and rights of any group, whether it is a favorite one of our own party or a current pariah are trodden on, we are all damaged irrevocably.
The entire FUD campaign such as this, used to promote a such profanity as Prop 8 is and was, harms us all.
Have we become so fearful & cowardly that we must extinguish a groups rights just to validate ours?
MasterDashMD 3 years ago
To me civil rights is when I have the freedom to make certain choices with my life where the no one included the government will restrict me to do so. Gay Marriage is a Civil Right by all means, because people should be able to have the same benefits everybody else, if not there is no equality. That is when I realize that the U.S. of A. is a country of lies, at least in the sense that the citizens do not support the main core value of the nation. That is freedom for all.
falucho05 3 years ago
43% of the votes are in!
Yes is leading by 370,558 votes!
MrNirom 3 years ago
Coretta Scott King and Martin Luther king BOTH Supported Gay rights and called a it a civil issue. YOU ARE WRONG LADY. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN? Disgusting slight of hand on your part. SHAME ON YOU
illbeats 3 years ago
how is this advocating freedom when you are limiting the freedoms for a choice on sexual preference
noELrunes 3 years ago
Great video, I respect you! Vote Yes on 8!
xterranissan2000 3 years ago
This is an awesome video with Dee Garrett. She truly experienced the real Civil Rights movement.
Way to go Ms. Garrett!
flanative88 3 years ago 2
Vote Yes on 8! This is about parental rights and religious freedoms.
Yes on 8
bethYeson8 3 years ago
Amen
BookofMormonReader 3 years ago
Amen! Great video. Thanks for putting in it's PROPER perspective!!
sislau 3 years ago
I think these 4 'people' (even judges are just people) should NOT have had the power to overturn something that has been voted upon by a solid majority *more than once* in a state of millions of people. That was wrong.
"Marriage" is defined as a union of a man and a woman. If two men or two women wanna hook up, whatever, but do not call it 'marriage'. That's like calling basketball baseball. Do you play basketball with a stick and run around bases? No. It's definition is different. Same thing.
sislau 3 years ago
"solid majority *more than once* in a state of millions of people."
More than once?
That's the job of judges -- to decide cases.
"That's like calling basketball baseball."
and that's where you lost me. You can't say baseball is like basketball. Separate but equal didn't work in the 60s.
And marriage has been redefined over countless years: polygamy, women as property, a private contract, race purity, etc.
cryan71 3 years ago
I have heard several local,state,national civil rights leaders speak on Prop 8. All of them have stated, "This is not about civil rights, its about special rights!"
If you are born black, you die black.
If you are born Jewish, you die Jewish.
Whether or not to be gay is a choice. A person may choose to be gay and then choose to go straight. The behavior is changeable. Therefore, this is not a civil right, it is a special right the gay's seek. Vote Yes on 8. No special rights!
LightUpSmiles 3 years ago
"Civil Rights" does not refer solely to the struggles of people of color, it refers to the legal rights of citizens.
The issue of gay marriage is a people's struggle for civil rights. The same rights extended legally to hetero couples must be applied to gay couples. Rights granted by marriage and honored by the state, including health care, parental rights, tax status etc, must be applicable to gay as well as hetero unions. Anything else is discrimination.
rachelbobco 3 years ago
LOL Rome was not built in a day. Give it time my friend.. give it time. But hopefully this will be stopped before it ever gets started.
You call money and property.. it was lives! You want to focus only on money to spin it your way. The Church would have been ripped apart by the Govt and the Lord saw fit to allow adjustment. Besides.. when the church went global.. polygamy could not be universal.. so it would have ended.
MrNirom 3 years ago
Thank you for sharing this video.
ChristopherMillz 3 years ago
"Equal rights aren't special rights."
and that is what we have been trying to tell YOU for months. 3 judges understood that and 4 activist judges would NOT.
omiolo 3 years ago
"Seperate but equal...this was wrong"
AND IT STILL IS.
repenny 3 years ago
"AND IT STILL IS. "
separate but equal is the law when separating men and women.
We have separate but equal based on gender.
Bathrooms, locker rooms, and education. Hence since the genders are different gays can NOT call it marriage. There is a difference recognized by law.
omiolo 3 years ago
And you really want to justify bigotry? On a video that is discussing civil rights?
Good luck with that.
Gay is not about people's personal privacy.
Shame you have to be a bigot -- I remember when Mormons were actually good people. Now they are just plain evil!
Bring back Governor Boggs -- he had the right idea!
cryan71 3 years ago
Once gays have the "right" to be married, they will not tolerate a church that will not recognize their marriage. They will not tolerate that a specific church won't "marry" them. They won't tolerate any sort of "discrimination" against their now "legal" status.
Don't think that they can't get the Govt to make churches do or not do something. Just ask the Mormons about Polygamy and how the Govt MADE them give it up or else! Give gays the "rights" of marriage but call it something else!
MrNirom 3 years ago
"they will not tolerate a church that will not recognize their marriage."
Ummm... they've had the right since June, how many churches were sued? Oh, that's right -- NONE.
"Govt MADE them give it up "
No they didn't. The church could have decided not to stop polygamy. It was a financial issue.
cryan71 3 years ago
People that fall off of their high horses get hurt more ... even if it's just their pride.
sislau 3 years ago
Governor Boggs? The extermination order from Missouri? You wouldn't call that bigotry?
mlynnburk 3 years ago
Mormons should be prepared for blowback from their participation if Prop 8 passes.
They aren't going to get a free pass on this one.
Gov Boggs was trying to deal with an out of control mormon church that was trying to take over Jackson County Missouri. It was wrong, but when the mormons started to destroy printing presses, had Danites going around killing and intimidating people -- it probably seemed reasonable to him.
cryan71 3 years ago
How do you plan to punish the mormons?
mlynnburk 3 years ago
Blacks should not be fulled by this propoganda. Vote No on 8. This is a civil rights issue for all!!!!
niceguy1035 3 years ago
Today I attended a Yes on 8 rally with people of all races and colors in attendance.The speakers, mainly African American, were OUTRAGED by this being called a Civil Rights issue.There is NO COMPARISON with what the black people of our country went through before finally being given equal civil rights under the law.They are still often treated with less equality & respect, which is shameful.Yes ON 8 is about preserving society and traditional marriage.The other side is about "Special Rights"
cbg1757 3 years ago
Constitutional amendments should be used to expand freedom, not restrict it, Coretta Scott King said Tuesday.
"Gay and lesbian people have families, and their families should have legal protection, whether by marriage or civil union," she said. "A constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages is a form of gay bashing and it would do nothing at all to protect traditional marriages."
MLK had top advisers who were gay.
Bigotry is not a black value.
cryan71 3 years ago
While I don't believe gay marriage is the same fight as civil rights, I do think it has similarities to the fight for interracial marriage. Many of the same arguments being made against gay marriage are the same arguments that were made against interracial marriage. The only difference is that it's harder to argue that being gay is not a choice. But being gay isn't a choice, just like being straight isn't a choice, and there is a lot of research coming out in support of this.
pkiverson 3 years ago
The comparison of yes prop 8 to the civil rights movement is so prevalent and so wrong. It hurts to be called a bigot. (I have done the sign waving and trust me it happens.) In particular when some of those calling you bigot may not be fulling aware of what Prop 8 is trying to protect. Thanks for the great video. I hope many see it. Vote yes to 8
lbr5505 3 years ago
Great and moving video. I'm voting YES on prop. 8!
Doctorforprop8 3 years ago
Wonderful video. Legalizing gay marriage can in no way be compared to the fight for civil rights. For starters, gays already have ALL the right under the domestic partnership law. I agree with beetlebabee in that childrens' rights outweigh adults sexual perferences. Please VOTE YES on PROP.8!!
beaniehy 3 years ago 2
This was a beautifully done video. It explains how prop 8 is not about civil rights in simple and understandable terms. Thank your for sharing it with us.
daisywaldo 3 years ago 2
Thank you for hitting a point that I have been thinking about for years. When did a sexual choice become a state that requires civil rights? Sexual orientation is NOT a race. It is a way of life that is a choice, just like an alcoholic, who has the alcoholic gene has to choose whether to drink or not.
Vote yes on 8!
CALauradtw 3 years ago 2
Great video, thanks for posting. I will join you in voting YES on Prop 8, and encourage everyone to do the same!
catira99 3 years ago 2
Wonderful video- really makes you think twice about what this is REALLY all about. It's not a civil rights issue as is being stated by many who oppose it. It's simply protecting the age old definition of marriage- the foundation of our society.
YES on 8!!
bebelove110 3 years ago 2
As a lawyer and former law professor, I can say that the divided state Supreme Court overturned 150 years of state law that defined marriage between a man and a woman. It also contradicted all federal laws that define marriage as between a man and a woman, including Social Security, Medicare, veteran's benefits, etc. In other words, four judges ignored virtually all state and federal law and the votes of 4,618,673 Californians who approved the traditional definition of marriage.
ukulelesinger 3 years ago
Children's rights are above adult sexual preference. Kids deserve to have a mom AND a dad. Schools are for education, not social experimentation laboratories.
beetlebabee 3 years ago 4
There is so much confusion about Prop 8. Civil rights are not being taken away from anyone unless Prop 8 fails. Then the only ones losing rights will be parents and children.
gardenlady13 3 years ago 3
Before she died, Corretta Scott King stated her opposition to any constitutional amendments regarding gay marriage.
Martin Luther King's trusted adviser, Bayard Rustin, was openly gay and worked hard for the civil rights of all Americans. He was tapped to organize the Montgomery Bus Boycott and the 1963 March on Washington.
Gays worked hard for African Americans to have civil rights. It's time for a little gratitude.
rextrek 3 years ago
This is a fantastic video. The same-sex agenda wants to jump on a bandwagon that is comparing two completely different things.
Vote YES on PROP 8
ILuvColinFirth 3 years ago
To promote same-sex marriage as a civil right, and that homosexuals are being discriminated against, is an offensive move - to those who have truly been discriminated against.
tDMg
LdsNanaAskMormon 3 years ago
I love how she points out that the Supreme Court has been wrong before, and they are wrong again on this marriage issue. Vote Yes on Prop 8!
ivoteyesonprop8 3 years ago
well said from someone who was there. thank you.
CarolAckerman1 3 years ago
I've been very interested to see this and a number of other videos by African American leaders which express their view point on how well the current issue of same-sex marriage can be compared to their struggle. I have yet to hear a single person disagree with the opinion expressed in this video. Frankly, I agree with them.
shooterusa17 3 years ago
Here is a link to an article that explains how gay rights are infringing upon religous freedoms - Google this: When Gay Rights and Religious Liberties Clash by Barbara Bradley Hagerty
If public schools aren't interested in teaching gay marriage in public schools than why did the California Teacher's Union donate $1.25 Million to No on 8?
Vote YES on 8. Protect parental rights and religious freedoms.
bethYeson8 3 years ago
There is great power from politicians, which also have lots of money..
Please check out video on education and proposition 8 to help get an answer to why CTA donated so much money to support a No vote on 8
The speaker is a teacher and he breaks it down...
I am voting Yes on Proposition 8..
I strongly believe that personal issues should be taught in the home and not in schools..
mayrajanette 3 years ago 2
This video explains the issue very well. It is not appropriate for the courts to write law.
jhe3rd 3 years ago