Listening Post - Pakistan's information war - 29 May 09

[SinbadReturns]

Geo T.V reporters are as curropt as the government!...They support anyone who pays them!

News One is the only Pakistani channel

which reports the truth & is not manipulated by the government & is brave enough to stand against both Government & Tehreek-e-Taliban...

It was News One who first exposed Baitullah Mehsud & his U.S links in it's show Brasstacks...

[pusherman19]

Ron Paul says it best. Alex Jones and Arron Russo are the front runners for western liberty, Obama is a Wall Street goon working for the Federal Reserve. JFK was killed for trying to abolish the FED. And if i dont have my facts right please enlighten me

[pusherman19]

At the same time the media reveals alot of bias information based on the private interests of the individual in control. All one can do is eliminate the private interests (Royalty, Central Banks) have faith in a free trade market and let the people run their own lives. .

[pusherman19]

The real enemey is the FED ... end the idea of Central Banks and people will be free...

As far as the media coverage in this video is concerned I dont think any military should control their own civillians, let alone cut the media out while doing so.

[mystz1]

tracker buddy dont waste your breath on user 'zamarino'.. he's a Dutch lunatic pretending to be a Taliban-supporting Muslim here to create divisions here

[ptalknet]

Porkeys at it again.

[mystz1]

go play ur xbox Indian cunt..

[charlessmyth]

The membership of the Pakistani army has a choice: The government line or the Taliban's line. With a defeated Taliban they have more likelihood of having a choice. The alternative has been shown to have dubious virtue, to say the least. Welcome to the wonderful world of statehood, and the responsibilities that go with it.

[sarrass1]

Wow an Al BBC Jazeera video with comments enabled thats becoming increasingly rare. Usually they don't like to be criticised for their propaganda.

[trackerx41]

ofcourse, for an ignorant Western runt, Al-Jazeera's reporting by default would be 'propaganda' while what is fed to you by your media is nothing but 'truth'.. I see how it goes

[sarrass1]

trackerx41 No I think the British mainstream media is full of propaganda too. In facty all of the Western mainstream media is corrupt. Al-Jazeera is full of former BBC employees. Its more like a joint Qatari/British operation. In the beginning it was ok but now that its became popular it has become just like the BBC.

[trackerx41]

whoa! the only unbiased news media outlet remaining in the Uk 'is' the BBC.. u and I are on completely different wavelengths.

[spiritsA]

I'm not so sure about BBC after they made a documentary on oil trading between Africa and China and somehow tied that same document to rape and murder. BBC are not explicit with their bias (so they don't get caught), but they set the stage to associate two unrelated topics. And then of course you have the seriousness of the music and the tonality of the journalist. They didn't say it alright.

But I don't watch BBC very often so maybe it's only that documentary

[trackerx41]

you'd have to direct me to that documentary if its available here on youtube; I'll share my two-cents after I've watched it.. I've been an avid reader of BBC daily for the past three-years.. they're coverage of almost every news story is very unbiased as compared to media outlets such as CNN, FOX and even NyTimes and WahingtonPost...

[spiritsA]

I have no time to find it for you, but you should be able to find it in youtube. I watched it here, and as long as it hasnt' been deleted, it should be still be here.

Some key words are probably "china" "Africa" "oil" "BBC". I'm not eager enough find the actual video to some youtube user.

[trackerx41]

but u surely had the time to make an errant comment just for the sake of making one.. I see

[spiritsA]

proved my point.

[trackerx41]

sure, watever makes u happy kiddo

[pouyanb]

do you really think your reporting is true about censorship in Iran? Did you do any research about what IRI has been doing in Iran for the past 3- years?

[guideline1989]

long live  pakistan!

[tiredoldcrow]

that's not change, that's more of the same old failed actions of the bush administration

[zamarino]

it is not pakistan against Taliban, it is a bench of losers in politics and thieves in governing against pakistani muslims.

[sezas]

anyone who shoots against the military in the territory of pakistan should be shot in the head for good.

[zamarino]

Oooo ! great, then let's start with the army. And then i would like to see this pigs courage of yours on the field, and i am sure the mojahidin will have an extra bullet for a pig

[sezas]

they aint got time to deal with me, they are busy digging more holes to hide. Zero tolerance against these barbarians. Go join them in their hole and pray to Allah not to burry you in it.

[zamarino]

i do not need to join then u have just to follow the news and you will see they do not need anyone. And for your information, the holes are caused already by this army of pigs who is killing his population for some dollars as low dogs and even that they are getting nothing (try to follow the news)

[trackerx41]

haaha! a Dutch lunatic pretending to be a Muslim.. thats a new one! kiddo, give up your fake act n start acting like the Geert Wilder following fascist that you are.. Dont worry about Pakistan; worry abt Dutch-motherland.

[zamarino]

really funny how a dumbass like you talks like he knows who i am, that is enough for every reader. by the way being against killing people and especially when it is about your own population, this has no nationality

[trackerx41]

instead of hypothetical nonsense... start putting some practicality in your comments.. the entire argument that 'u r killing ur own ppl' is quite ridiculous.. since criminals, gangs, etc who commit crimes are also one's own ppl but they are punished for their wrong actions

[zamarino]

OK the take this, just today the army asked another whole region to go out because they want to get in the village. What The ......!?

Taliban in the region is the people, otherwise if you think this way, the army will be the biggest gang of killers that should be stoned to dead by the local population

[trackerx41]

Army asks civilians to vacate the area so that Taliban terrorists can be isolated and then exterminated. Asking civilians to leave the area is for their own safety so that they do not become 'collateral damage' in operations against Taliban.. I dont have to sit here n teach everyone how Taliban hide in schools, mosques, hospitals & ordinary ppl's houses & even use civilians as 'human shields' because that is what cowards do

Taliban are infiltrators from FATA who have forced many in SWAT to join

[zamarino]

And in godsnam ethat dumb army does not know that taliban can also go with the civilians knowing that the taliban are just very casual regular civilians, and then later come back also with the civilians. It is becoming more a show for the army pbosses (the usa) who is urging them to do something, and i refer you tothe latest tape of ben ladin..

[trackerx41]

civilians are well aware of WHO the Taliban are even when those cowards shave their beards to 'blend' in with the civilians.. Pakistan Army has arrested nearly 150 Taliban so far with the help of civilians who identified Taliban that had shaved their beards and hid their weapons to flee the area.. the latest 'tape' of Bin Laden is nothing but propaganda for the ignorant minds like yourself.. Al-Qaeda is on the losing end, they continue to whine left n right but nothing will come off it.

[zamarino]

Really, where do you live? the civillians from the region are all bearded.

And for your information, Taliban got out the regions as mentioned to avoid killing civilians afetr the have noticed that the army pigs do not give a shit about muslims gettign killed for psome millions then have not gotten yet from the us. As an extra point in your eyes, just get back some days back, army students were kept fugitives and then were free, the army said Taliban was responsible, today is mentioned is not

[trackerx41]

ahaaha! there are hardly any 18 or even 25yr olds in Swat who are bearded.. beard is seen as a sign of maturity, respect which is mostly true for older men above the age of 30.. dont waste my time by ranting nonsense.. u're a Taliban/terrorist sympathizer; Pakistan Army should search ur house, maybe u have three suicide bombers hiding in ur basement readying to kill civilians in another Peshawar bazaar or Lahore foodstreet.. U r arguing blindly against proven facts..

[zamarino]

wahahahah, no at all, you are terrorists sympathizer, and by that we mean in the islamic world, the us and their pigs these are the terrorists. Talibam, Hamas are any other individual in pakistan and palestine or any place in teh islamic world are the mujahidin. I mean it is great, you have helped me to categorize yourself by yourself. This way everyone can see who i am representing and who you do.

[trackerx41]

there is a difference b/w Hamas & Taliban.. Hamas doesn't behead ppl like chickens, Hamas doesn't blow up girls schools in Lebanon, Hamas doesn't abduct and kill policemen just because they are working for the police, Hamas is fighting Israel; not fellow Lebanese.. Taliban are 'munafiqs' who have created a 'fitna' in Dar-al-Islam which is Pakistan. But ofcourse, an ignorant lunatic like u who probably has no education, doesn't know how to differentiate b/w facts & rhetoric will remain ignorant.

[zamarino]

All beheading crap is old news, and they are all cia made up crap belonging to the public propaganda and it is indeed a very important parallel war for your information. So give me something reliable, and i a not a anass who eats all the hollywood crap coming from the us, and afterall all these thing could not help the us moarning days till they get out of iraq, and having nightmare of alqaeda having a ground there, so they have decided if we can not win al least give impression other beaten us

[trackerx41]

Yes yes, everything is propaganda and everyone is lying just because it is not what the Taliban would like to hear or their terrorist sympathizers like you.. Learn to handle the cold/bitter truth. Please tell us what you consider to be a 'reliable' source; since respectable and credible media outlets such as BBC, NyTimes, etc are no good for a cave-dweller like you. The situation in Iraq is already improving. Al-Qaeda suffered its defeat at the hands of Sunni 'Awakening Councils'.

[zamarino]

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, i can say just the same about you as a terrorist sympathizer of the real terrorists coming miles away to the muslims land.

Yes i do, but you have to accept it, and it is the truth of this army of pigs who sells his own people for some dollars. So can you accept it?

OOOO my mentionign iraq, you have just lost. Iraq is the biggest failure of usa, and all what they are trying is to fake their exsit by

[zamarino]

introducing it as having set up a democracy (big laugh here) instead of letting people see the plain truth of the mujahidin victory.

Come on man haven't you seen the albaghdadi play last time, ooo my that was very funny

[zafarahsan100]

" Mujahadidin?"

If you call the terrorist who are bombing schools and hotels as mujahidin, where from you derive this definition of a mujahid?

I don't need to see any play to determine right or wrong, common sense is enough.

[zamarino]

Noooo, you do not see it. I call terrorists these pigs killing people in their homes in swat and waziristan. And the mujahidin are the ones who are attacking the cia rooms in the pakistani hotels. I think you have heard in the news that the most of the part been hit is inhabited by the cia.

so need to know some more?

[trackerx41]

Haaaha! More ignorance.. and where do Talibans funds come from? From selling opium and heroin.. haraam items which they smuggle out of Afghanistan via Pakistan and Iran to so-called 'infidels' in Europe n America who buy the drugs.. so basically Taliban are infidel pigs as well since their main revenue comes from doing business with infidels.. haha! ur moral compass is fucked cave dweller, go get a real education.

[zamarino]

No, you have just proved u r the one needing education, because drugs are cultivated by drugs mafia, and it is a fact that the lowest drugs production was when Taliban mujahidan were controlling the region. And i think you are losing the case, you have to follow the news and see what is happening to the army pigs by the Mujahidin hero's

[trackerx41]

dont waste my time lunatic.. those Taliban who eradicated drugs from Afghanistan are long gone.. today's Taliban are different.. learn to recognize the present n stop living in wetdreams of the past.. it is already proven by hundreds of sources that Taliban's major source of funding today is the opium production & smuggling.. now grow a brain & go do some research instead of wasting my time with ur nonsensical crass

[zamarino]

hhhhhhhhhhhhh

i think i have already beaten your allegations about taliban-drugs associations, which is clearly a made up cia lie and very new one like that whore who tries to sell and gets lots of pub in the us about the subject. But i have used international orgs data released.

For your info, Taliban is hitting your pigs very hard in the hart of their home, and Taliban is regaining places the pigs army are telling the have under control, i say follow more news.

And we will see :D

[trackerx41]

go back to your cave & hide there; while having wet-dreams about some mujahideen victory when the mujahideen are nothing but munafiq thugs using opium, hashish and other un-Islamic things to finance their terrorist activities against fellow Pakistani Muslims.. but ofcourse, what can be expected from a 'jahilliya' like yourself.. u r part of the brainwashed generation of lunatics

[trackerx41]

but ofcourse.. u are a kid hiding in your basement in the Netherlands pretending to be some Muslim.. I almost forgot that

[zamarino]

I have pity with you insisting i am not muslim, why? because i am defending teh right of civilians, so if i am not muslim and defending the rights of muslims. What does this make you? the enemy of islam. I see you have not seen this coming :D

[trackerx41]

Civilians? whoa! Please quit trying to make me laugh.. You r here defending Taliban & other terrorists.. your hypocrisy & double-play as some Muslim apologist is not helping you cover ur true identity.. Go find some other way to vent ur frustrations. Ppl only need to look at my comments n then at urs to see who the real enemy of Muslims is here.

[zafarahsan100]

Ok, I am a reader, and don't agree with you. Tracker is right, you are wrong!

[zamarino]

Ok, that is your opinion

I just hope that pakistan gets strong out of this army garbage play

[trackerx41]

its not garbage play.. its the Final Act against Taliban.. villagers across the Frontier belt are forming 'lashkars' [local militias] & helping Pakistan Army flush out Taliban.. read some news & get re-educated.

[codename22111991]

Pakistan has to pay a dearly price on such a war against the Taliban. We attack their hideouts and innocent civilians get displaced along with major cities becoming a victim of suicide bombings. Pakistan must/will not back down from such an operation because what other options do we have? Talibans have proved that they can never have peace with other people so now they must taste the bullets of Pakistan army. I hope this war comes to a successful end and Pakistan gets its golden days back.

[jimmycater2]

Ahh what golden days Pakistan has one of the most corrupt governmnets in the world and this has been almost since its start it is one of the poorest nations on earth what are u talking about?

[codename22111991]

Jimmy, I am not saying we were living like extreme upper standard but in the 80's Pakistan Goverment was doing a good job, it had better relations with coutries. And please Jim, before saying any bad comment see if that other person has said any offensive against u, I havnt so why u need to be so rude.

And Pakistani Government maybe poor but the people here are filthy rich, they have 100times for money then our government does. I dont blame u since u may have been mislead by media..

[jimmycater2]

Rude? i am just giving the facts the elite of pakistan have 100 times the wealth of the government well if that is true don;t u think that needs to change? How come so many people are poor when a few at the top are so rich the answer seems to be because of corruption and indiffenrence toward there people don't u think. Not to mention IMF and world bank economic polices.

[codename22111991]

Ofcourse I know and everyone does that corruption exists, it does in each economy some where it is silent some where it is front on. But what we expect from people like you is that not to hate pakistan, or be against us just as I said we love not hate. Because as u know many people discriminate us, doing that would only discourage us we need your encouragement and ur prayers that will help us to achieve our goals.

[codename22111991]

Yes Income Inequality does exist, and when ever we have a good politician entring in Pakistan they(our silent enemies) eaither assasinate them or they get exiled. This is just a way of preventing Pakistan from growing. But I do agree that govt need sto introduce better poliies to tackle such a situation. In 2012 Nawaz sahriff will be back in Politics and last time because of him Pakistan for the first time in history had a Trade and budget surplus. He is a man that will restore the days

[codename22111991]

And further more Wee are helping you , e dont want ur harsh words we need ur encouragement so together will we be able to help each other in time of need. Despite having such limited resources I feel this country has achieved a lot more then its potential. We started with one torn university and a few soldiers and in 60 years we have achieved a lot in such an intense pressure.

By the way we should use the net to learn not argue on such useless topics, net is for learning not for fighting.Peace

[jimmycater2]

Helping me? How is displacing 1 million of pakistans citizens helping me if u mean helping the US Empire (because the US is an Empire) then yea maybe but why help the empire the US governmnet cares nothing for the people of pakistan i mean it does not care about the people here in America. It cares about power and corprate profits thats all.

[codename22111991]

Fighting the taliban is what we are helpin u on.

[jimmycater2]

Well it seems there are now 1 million people displaced by this fighting considering the taliban were orphans and displaced this policy seems to be creating more of them not the reverse.

[codename22111991]

Yes people have been displaced, but we dont have any alternative choice. Its either kill the terorist or be taken over in the future. This is a sacrifice we are willing tto make.

[jimmycater2]

Come on now Pakistan has and armed forces of around 700,000 how can the Tailban (around 20,000) take over the nation i know the army u have is not the most advanced in the world but is more then enough to stop this so called take over. The governmnet of pakistan should do what the people want and i am sure the people don;t want a government that takes orders from the US.

[codename22111991]

ofcourse the taliban can never take over us not even in their wildest imaginations. But dunno why does the us not let us do it our way they put too much pressure and then the millitary gets confused. We have our own strategy to do so, but anyways this one is sort of workin as well. Only 1020 talibans are left in pak, rest 5000 wanna be suicide bombers moving on in the Major cities are not talibans nor alqaeda but some one else someone more advanced...prolly get what I mean, our neigbours

[codename22111991]

And I hope you are not into the rumor that Pakistan boasts terorism. People here love peace and good friendship with everyone. Yes bad apples do exist but in minority. We wish good luck to Americans and nato in Afghan to get rid of terrorists and its a good effort you are doing. Media nowadays is just so biased they try to spoil our image instaed of telling the truth because they want to cut our contacts with teh foriegn commuinity and get us weaker.

[jimmycater2]

Pakistan boasts terorism well if anyone boasts terroism it is the West who created Al Quadia (the CIA code name for a data base) America and the West did so i will not aruge with u there the ISI has had a role in this but the grand planners are in the US plus US policy of invading and bombing people to dust is what is creating more so called terroist (that is the ones that are not controlled by the CIA).

[codename22111991]

In Pakistan the peopel despite having faced the most difficult times have learnt to live with it, our morales are high we donot lose hope of living. Life is just a short time period and people should make use of it for the good of others. Why fight if one helps. A good ally says "Thankyou" not "Do More".

And please next time donot hurt someones feelings if the other person has not done so, I repeat again such arguments are just useless.. I can see many people fighting about who is better

[jimmycater2]

Yes the people of Pakistan have faced and will face hard times but if u wnat things to get better u can not just say we have to live with it. Here in the US blacks.irish,chinese and otheres had a hard time but they fought back to get more rights and have gotten many of them (not that all is great between races in the US but much better then in the 30's) so u must fight back aganist corruption and imperalism when u face it not bow to it.

[codename22111991]

Yes you are right again and what pakistan really need sabout now is a revolution. Pakistan has a grand oppurtunity in its hands, more then 50percent of our population is youth and youth is some one who can make a big difference in a country.

[jimmycater2]

Yes now u are thinking right but the Empire (i mean the US governmet not its people) will try hard to stop it they will call u many things from dictator to terroists but the people have to stay strong and take down the currropt elite at the top of Pakistan society that are helping the empire ( and hopfully we can have one in the US to because our leaders are just as bad and don;t care about us just look at out healthcare system).

[codename22111991]

I most certainly agree with you their. By the way if you have an email do send that to me through personal message :)

People here are strong thats the reason why we have not given up the war against terrorism or else we would have lost our hopes. We have been tested through time and have managed to get out of those bad days. Its never too late I always believe.

Greetings from Pakistan, peace.

[jimmycater2]

Well i hope u do give up the war on terror because it is a fraud this war has noting to do with so called terror this is a war for control of the planet in a politcal,economical, and militray way just like the cold war was i hope u can see that well peace be with u to and have a nice day.

[codename22111991]

Yeah, The Word "WOT" is just a disguise. Anyways lets just hope for the best of everyone(except the bad dudes). Ok brother I will meet you laterzz, its 1:27am here in Pakistan and I have to prepare for my Alevels ..5th june is next paper :( see you laters and peace!