Hyenas are truly ferocious and formidable wild hunter/predators with a bite force and jaw power unmatched by other land mammals, and here they are being transformed to perform for the pleasure of zoo visitors who will probably view hyenas as "big cuddly doggies..." after witnessing such a charade.
It would be far, far more interesting if these so-called zoo keepers got on the other side of the bars. Maybe it would silence the nasal, effeminate and irksome garrulousness of the the narrator.
@fralust It is precisely *because* they are such amazingly efficient predators that this training is needed; it allows for timely, low-stress husbandry, rather than having to ignore minor concerns until severe enough that high-stress handling or tranq is required. This is not cute entertaining tricks (though even those have proven dramatic health and enrichment benefits), it is necessary for responsible keeping.
As the environment shows, this isn't public; it was a demo for other professionals.
@fralust Husbandry is the careful keeping, raising, management, or conservation of food, animals, or resources. That includes exotics in human care! Responsible keeping (not just "captivity") is good husbandry, of which two important keys are mental enrichment and low-stress medical treatment.
If touchy-feely = happy hyenas -- yay! Watch the body language; they're not stressed and they're enjoying the game. No, they aren't acting like Golden Retrievers, but they're not Goldens. :)
Do you think the whining cadence of the narrator "soothes" and "enriches" the hyenas, or do you think that they are far, far more interested in the candy meat they're getting?
Something tells me that you are somehow instrumentally and extensively involved in this whole process/video.
"the scientific control and management of a branch of farming and especially of domestic animals."
@fralust "Soothes" is your word, and no one pretends that the guy talking (who is not interacting w/ animals, but talking) is enriching them. Off-topic.
Food is AWESOME reward, yes! but so is the game. They'd get full feeding even if they didn't train, no shortage.
And that "something" that told you I was involved was in fact me, when I first said it was a backstage demo for trainers. :) (I'm not w/ Denver Zoo.) How am I "waffling"? To want even captive animals to be happy and healthy?
@sob3 I never suggested that "soothes" was your word or otherwise, but it would suit your self helpy, fuzzy agenda. How do you know the hyenas cannot hear the whining narrator?
And you miss the point, dear. You are apparently one of these types obsessed with training animals whether they like it or not, and it probably consumes your existence the way a bloated mother parades her 6-year daughter at child beauty pageants. You no doubt tell all and sundry of your "passion."
@fralust Logged in and first line I saw was your comment to sp33dycat on anal hygiene. Then your comment to me re fellatio. Clear, scientific discussion, I see, with excellent research.
And no, I said independence and mental activity is CRITICAL. Just as raising a child to have good manners and good safety habits but to be independent - but if you see all education as exploitative beauty pageants, with "please" and "thank you" as dirty words, then we're stuck at crude interaction.
@sob3 And what point did I compare "ALL education as exploitative beauty pageants?" I did not and shame on you for intimating otherwise. And when did I say "please" and "thank you" are dirty words? This is why you are a waffler.
And you did not answer my question. Again, are you suggesting a well fed animal bereft of any independence and autonomy is content, and its need to be free and self-sufficient is irrelevant?
You're a 5th rate Siegfried and Roy. Which one are you?
@fralust "And you did not answer my question." Actually, I answered using capital letters. Again, please look up suggested info to see how training *adds* independence to captive animals.
It seems now your issue is more w/ captivity of exotics - a separate question, and legitimate in many cases. (This particular group, IIRC, has contributed hugely to understanding of hyena reproduction, aiding conservation efforts.) But for husbandry of those already in captivity, training is proven healthier.
Upon retiring from subjugating animals to your own personal whim and needs, do you plan to go into politics?
If so, you really should smarten your act up, as you will be grilled a lot harder than on YT. For the 3rd time, are you suggesting a well fed animal bereft of any independence and autonomy is content, and its need to be free and self-sufficient is irrelevant?
You say: "Again, please look up suggested info to see how training *adds* independence to captive animals."
No, it is not my job or role to look up anything. This is a backpedaling, trite ploy favored by ill informed waffling sophists. If YOU make a claim/statement. then YOU have to furnish credible evidence to back it up.
Imagine if this was uttered in a political debate. The party asking this would be laughed at.
This is why you choose to impose your will on animals......
@fralust You're a moron, they are training the animals so that they can take care of them more efficiently, so instead of having to trang the animal when they need to take some blood for tests or checking their teeth, they can just get them to do the required behaviour, and the animals get rewarded as well as not having to be tranqed which is far more stressful than lifting their paw or opening their mouth.
Actually, it is your role to look things up. As you said, if YOU make a claim/statement, then YOU have to furnish credible evidence to back it up. YOU have done nothing of the sort; you never provide any evidence for your claims, nor do said claims consist of anything more substantial than playground insults, most of which have no basis in fact. There's a character limit, so I won't list examples. Just read your own comments.
Oh, and here's something else to look up: "ad-hominem fallacy". Once again, it is YOUR job to look it up because YOU are the one whose posts consist of little else. I would be really nice and post a link for you anyway, but YouTube doesn't allow links in comments.
Other minor notes: If anything you said was uttered in a debate club, you'd be kicked out in about five seconds. Again, read your own posts. You do nothing but insult everyone and everything around you.
Now, a little suggestion. If you actually want to convince us of something, then find out what you're talking about before you even THINK of clicking "reply" and stop insulting people. Then you might come across as a civil, intelligent person. Right now you are coming across as a willfully moronic asshole.
Tip: the opinions of civil, intelligent people are taken seriously. The opinions of willfully moronic assholes are not.
@Omnigeek6 You miss the point utterly. If I were to tell you that the moon is made of cheese, and then simply told you to "look it up', that would really be rather silly, wouldn't it? This is what D0b3 said, and who might you be? Her knight in dull armor or a cloned account of hers?
This video gets very little activity and for you to show up out of the blue and post so many comments (several to yourself!) is mighty suspicious........
Just as I thought, you're responding with accusations. In this case, accusations of being an alt account. Of course, like nearly all your other accusations, it's false.
I've actually been watching your little flame war for quite some time. I was hoping to see you thoroughly schooled by Dob3, but since that did not happen I decided to jump in. I posted three comments because 500 characters just weren't enough to express how ridiculous and sad you are.
I replied to myself so that the comments are visible as one longer comment and it is clear to literate people that each is a continuation of the previous one. You should try this as well.
Oh, and I think I get the point just fine. Citing sources is almost impossible in YT comments, so the next best thing is saying: "Do some research before you spew your uneducated opinions all over the comments section." If you told me the moon was made of cheese, and to look it up, I would reply:
"Guess what? I looked it up, and it turns out you're wrong."
As a footnote, here are the spelling and grammer errors in your previous post. In "look it up' your quotation marks don't match up. "This is what D0b3 said, and who might you be?" is a run-on sentence, and you should have used "That." You also overuse exclamation points and until now have consistently spelled "D0b3" as "sob3."
Don't bother replying. You're way out of your league.
And at what point do you plan to triumph and "school me", my garrulous friend......?
You're a regular chatty Kathy, aren't you? And you must admit that your oh so noble and valiant defence of sob3 is, given the paucity of traffic on this video, irregular to say the least.
I still smelll a rat, but am more than happy to have a chit chat with you, but cannot promise to match your hurt pride and loquaciousness.
I'm not defending anyone: I'm attacking because nobody else is currently doing so, and as amusing as it would be to sit back, relax, and watch you complain about nasal voices for all eternity, you are a pompous idiot and would be better off spending your free time hurling yourself off of playground equipment.
However, given the fact that this time you're putting some real effort into misspelling user names, it seems that this has become a case of trolls trolling trolls.
@fralust Sorry, missed the first line of your reply (thought other name was another comment).
I assume the "automaton" comment was in response to my suggestion to look at body language. Do you not perceive the intensity, etc. in behavior? A well-fed animal doesn't need to work for the food, and the shaping process certainly isn't rote. Look up some shaping videos and check out the intense engagement inherent! :)
If good training (and there's a lot of bad still out there) is unfamiliar, then yo
Tell me, dear, do you make your companion sit up and beg for oral pleasure. Yes, that includes both parties. Treats for tricks!
Let me get this straight. You're suggesting a well fed animal bereft of any independence is content and its need to be free and self-sufficient is irrelevant?
You have an apparent need to impose your will on animals due to perhaps a kink in your personal make up.
@sp33dycat No they wouldn't. Nothing can replace the "common dog". What the fuck is a common dog anyway? A stray dog? Thre are tons of breeds with different temperaments and uses.
This video almost made me physically sick. This is not what any form of life should go through. They'll be doing this to humans next. People are already using clickers for children.
@HoneybunchBunny You're right, all animals can learn behaviours or tricks given time, patience and kindness. I believe the video will have been posted as an example of positively trained wild animals so that similar methods other than restraint and punishment to teach dogs similar husbandry behaviours. Teaching wild animals choice is amazing.
so cool
HCSAMANTHA420 5 days ago
Stop "training" them. Just feed them and let them have fun out in some open fields, not be in cages doing stupid ass tricks.
wickedsc3 1 month ago
It's great how they trained these hyenas so well. Most dogs probably wouldn't even know their trained behavior, aside from the sits and downs.
dondena21 1 month ago
this IS pretty cool!
smoon3 2 months ago
Hyenas are awesome, simple as that.
TheCROSSFIRE09 5 months ago 8
Hyenas are truly ferocious and formidable wild hunter/predators with a bite force and jaw power unmatched by other land mammals, and here they are being transformed to perform for the pleasure of zoo visitors who will probably view hyenas as "big cuddly doggies..." after witnessing such a charade.
It would be far, far more interesting if these so-called zoo keepers got on the other side of the bars. Maybe it would silence the nasal, effeminate and irksome garrulousness of the the narrator.
fralust 5 months ago
@fralust It is precisely *because* they are such amazingly efficient predators that this training is needed; it allows for timely, low-stress husbandry, rather than having to ignore minor concerns until severe enough that high-stress handling or tranq is required. This is not cute entertaining tricks (though even those have proven dramatic health and enrichment benefits), it is necessary for responsible keeping.
As the environment shows, this isn't public; it was a demo for other professionals.
D0b3 4 months ago
@dob3
"husbandry?"
I see no domestic livestock; only wild animals who are probably thinking:
"Shit, as if being in a zoo wasn't bad enough, now I have to perform this inane, repititive nonsense....."
"enrichment benefits?"
"low-stress husbandry?"
When we can expect your new hyena self help book to become a New York Times best seller?
You sound kindah tweaky/creepy/touchie feelie........
fralust 4 months ago
@fralust Husbandry is the careful keeping, raising, management, or conservation of food, animals, or resources. That includes exotics in human care! Responsible keeping (not just "captivity") is good husbandry, of which two important keys are mental enrichment and low-stress medical treatment.
If touchy-feely = happy hyenas -- yay! Watch the body language; they're not stressed and they're enjoying the game. No, they aren't acting like Golden Retrievers, but they're not Goldens. :)
D0b3 4 months ago
@sob3 Automatons responding by rote for food.
Do you think the whining cadence of the narrator "soothes" and "enriches" the hyenas, or do you think that they are far, far more interested in the candy meat they're getting?
Something tells me that you are somehow instrumentally and extensively involved in this whole process/video.
"the scientific control and management of a branch of farming and especially of domestic animals."
Merriam Webster - "Husbandry."
You waffle a lot.....
fralust 4 months ago
@fralust "Soothes" is your word, and no one pretends that the guy talking (who is not interacting w/ animals, but talking) is enriching them. Off-topic.
Food is AWESOME reward, yes! but so is the game. They'd get full feeding even if they didn't train, no shortage.
And that "something" that told you I was involved was in fact me, when I first said it was a backstage demo for trainers. :) (I'm not w/ Denver Zoo.) How am I "waffling"? To want even captive animals to be happy and healthy?
D0b3 4 months ago
@sob3 I never suggested that "soothes" was your word or otherwise, but it would suit your self helpy, fuzzy agenda. How do you know the hyenas cannot hear the whining narrator?
And you miss the point, dear. You are apparently one of these types obsessed with training animals whether they like it or not, and it probably consumes your existence the way a bloated mother parades her 6-year daughter at child beauty pageants. You no doubt tell all and sundry of your "passion."
Waffler.
fralust 4 months ago
@fralust Logged in and first line I saw was your comment to sp33dycat on anal hygiene. Then your comment to me re fellatio. Clear, scientific discussion, I see, with excellent research.
And no, I said independence and mental activity is CRITICAL. Just as raising a child to have good manners and good safety habits but to be independent - but if you see all education as exploitative beauty pageants, with "please" and "thank you" as dirty words, then we're stuck at crude interaction.
D0b3 3 months ago
@sob3 And what point did I compare "ALL education as exploitative beauty pageants?" I did not and shame on you for intimating otherwise. And when did I say "please" and "thank you" are dirty words? This is why you are a waffler.
And you did not answer my question. Again, are you suggesting a well fed animal bereft of any independence and autonomy is content, and its need to be free and self-sufficient is irrelevant?
You're a 5th rate Siegfried and Roy. Which one are you?
fralust 3 months ago
@fralust "And you did not answer my question." Actually, I answered using capital letters. Again, please look up suggested info to see how training *adds* independence to captive animals.
It seems now your issue is more w/ captivity of exotics - a separate question, and legitimate in many cases. (This particular group, IIRC, has contributed hugely to understanding of hyena reproduction, aiding conservation efforts.) But for husbandry of those already in captivity, training is proven healthier.
D0b3 3 months ago
@sob3
Upon retiring from subjugating animals to your own personal whim and needs, do you plan to go into politics?
If so, you really should smarten your act up, as you will be grilled a lot harder than on YT. For the 3rd time, are you suggesting a well fed animal bereft of any independence and autonomy is content, and its need to be free and self-sufficient is irrelevant?
Siegfired and Roy meet Sarah Palin...?
You really do talk a lot of shit when cornered.
Good luck in politics.
fralust 3 months ago
@sob3
You say: "Again, please look up suggested info to see how training *adds* independence to captive animals."
No, it is not my job or role to look up anything. This is a backpedaling, trite ploy favored by ill informed waffling sophists. If YOU make a claim/statement. then YOU have to furnish credible evidence to back it up.
Imagine if this was uttered in a political debate. The party asking this would be laughed at.
This is why you choose to impose your will on animals......
fralust 3 months ago
@fralust You're a moron, they are training the animals so that they can take care of them more efficiently, so instead of having to trang the animal when they need to take some blood for tests or checking their teeth, they can just get them to do the required behaviour, and the animals get rewarded as well as not having to be tranqed which is far more stressful than lifting their paw or opening their mouth.
COGCaptainDuck 3 months ago
@fralust
Actually, it is your role to look things up. As you said, if YOU make a claim/statement, then YOU have to furnish credible evidence to back it up. YOU have done nothing of the sort; you never provide any evidence for your claims, nor do said claims consist of anything more substantial than playground insults, most of which have no basis in fact. There's a character limit, so I won't list examples. Just read your own comments.
Omnigeek6 3 months ago
@Omnigeek6
Oh, and here's something else to look up: "ad-hominem fallacy". Once again, it is YOUR job to look it up because YOU are the one whose posts consist of little else. I would be really nice and post a link for you anyway, but YouTube doesn't allow links in comments.
Other minor notes: If anything you said was uttered in a debate club, you'd be kicked out in about five seconds. Again, read your own posts. You do nothing but insult everyone and everything around you.
Omnigeek6 3 months ago
@Omnigeek6
Now, a little suggestion. If you actually want to convince us of something, then find out what you're talking about before you even THINK of clicking "reply" and stop insulting people. Then you might come across as a civil, intelligent person. Right now you are coming across as a willfully moronic asshole.
Tip: the opinions of civil, intelligent people are taken seriously. The opinions of willfully moronic assholes are not.
Omnigeek6 3 months ago
@Omnigeek6 You miss the point utterly. If I were to tell you that the moon is made of cheese, and then simply told you to "look it up', that would really be rather silly, wouldn't it? This is what D0b3 said, and who might you be? Her knight in dull armor or a cloned account of hers?
This video gets very little activity and for you to show up out of the blue and post so many comments (several to yourself!) is mighty suspicious........
Thank goodness there's a charcter limit on YT!!!
fralust 3 months ago
@fralust
Just as I thought, you're responding with accusations. In this case, accusations of being an alt account. Of course, like nearly all your other accusations, it's false.
I've actually been watching your little flame war for quite some time. I was hoping to see you thoroughly schooled by Dob3, but since that did not happen I decided to jump in. I posted three comments because 500 characters just weren't enough to express how ridiculous and sad you are.
Omnigeek6 3 months ago
@Omnigeek6
I replied to myself so that the comments are visible as one longer comment and it is clear to literate people that each is a continuation of the previous one. You should try this as well.
Oh, and I think I get the point just fine. Citing sources is almost impossible in YT comments, so the next best thing is saying: "Do some research before you spew your uneducated opinions all over the comments section." If you told me the moon was made of cheese, and to look it up, I would reply:
Omnigeek6 3 months ago
@Omnigeek6
"Guess what? I looked it up, and it turns out you're wrong."
As a footnote, here are the spelling and grammer errors in your previous post. In "look it up' your quotation marks don't match up. "This is what D0b3 said, and who might you be?" is a run-on sentence, and you should have used "That." You also overuse exclamation points and until now have consistently spelled "D0b3" as "sob3."
Don't bother replying. You're way out of your league.
Omnigeek6 3 months ago
@ominousgeek
So now you're engaging in pedanticism, endless blabber, and placing your frock coat over a puddle for sob3 with a rose in your flapping mouth.
What an earth is your agenda, dear boy/girl?
So fraught and passionate. Like a 5th rate Goethe ingenue.
Calm down.
PS. Apologies for my quotation marks not ""matching up'.' I shall thrash myself unmercifully and try my darndest to straighten this matter out.
PPS. You forgot a comma between "look it up" and "your."
fralust 3 months ago
@omnipresentgeek
And at what point do you plan to triumph and "school me", my garrulous friend......?
You're a regular chatty Kathy, aren't you? And you must admit that your oh so noble and valiant defence of sob3 is, given the paucity of traffic on this video, irregular to say the least.
I still smelll a rat, but am more than happy to have a chit chat with you, but cannot promise to match your hurt pride and loquaciousness.
fralust 3 months ago
@fralust
I'm not defending anyone: I'm attacking because nobody else is currently doing so, and as amusing as it would be to sit back, relax, and watch you complain about nasal voices for all eternity, you are a pompous idiot and would be better off spending your free time hurling yourself off of playground equipment.
However, given the fact that this time you're putting some real effort into misspelling user names, it seems that this has become a case of trolls trolling trolls.
Omnigeek6 3 months ago
@ominouszorbathegreek
You claim not to be defending anyone.
Shit! You could have fooled me!!!!
You're either a clone of sob3 or madly in love.......
Which is it?
fralust 3 months ago
@fralust
Wait, you haven't given up?
You did read the last line of my most recent comment, right?
Omnigeek6 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Game set and match.
fralust 3 months ago
@fralust Sorry, missed the first line of your reply (thought other name was another comment).
I assume the "automaton" comment was in response to my suggestion to look at body language. Do you not perceive the intensity, etc. in behavior? A well-fed animal doesn't need to work for the food, and the shaping process certainly isn't rote. Look up some shaping videos and check out the intense engagement inherent! :)
If good training (and there's a lot of bad still out there) is unfamiliar, then yo
D0b3 4 months ago
@sob3 Must have been a typing error. Apologies.
Tell me, dear, do you make your companion sit up and beg for oral pleasure. Yes, that includes both parties. Treats for tricks!
Let me get this straight. You're suggesting a well fed animal bereft of any independence is content and its need to be free and self-sufficient is irrelevant?
You have an apparent need to impose your will on animals due to perhaps a kink in your personal make up.
And no, I'm not talking about your rouge.
fralust 4 months ago
We should start domesticating hyena's. Human ignorance is inexcusable. These intelligent animals would be a great replacement for the common dog.
sp33dycat 6 months ago
@sp33dycat But do you know that Hyenas are not from the canine family. They are more closely related to felines.
vickyboy96 5 months ago
@sp33dycat Good luck with "domesticating" hyenas, or are you just trying to be a clever clogs to get a rise?
If not, let me know how anal hygiene works out for you with a missing upper limb.........
Thanks.
fralust 4 months ago
@sp33dycat No they wouldn't. Nothing can replace the "common dog". What the fuck is a common dog anyway? A stray dog? Thre are tons of breeds with different temperaments and uses.
PlaguedMan 2 months ago
Amazing but I still don't like Hyenas... :)
safyanshah 6 months ago
Quite strange how they've trained them, even if the hyena is not related at all to canines.
Just goes to show that hyena are incredibly intelligent compared to how people perceive them out to be in the media.
AHylianWarrior 7 months ago
can't wait til' the day i start training "wild" animals, it's going to be awesome and fun especially working with the hyenas!
Emoneyo2 8 months ago
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wow that is cooool,,,
hyena know sign language and dog training sign language,,,
that is wonderful to have pet hyena in the future
bestamerica 11 months ago
This video almost made me physically sick. This is not what any form of life should go through. They'll be doing this to humans next. People are already using clickers for children.
deadithink 11 months ago
@deadithink like in that one episode of House?
kyotsunade 9 months ago
@kyotsunade I think I recall that episode, but you get my idea already anyway.
deadithink 9 months ago
they 'prefer' a neck blood draw over a leg draw, interesting.
myprophet1 1 year ago
That's not so amazing. All animals can learn such 'tricks'. Oh and hyenas aren't canines why it's called smart dog university?
HoneybunchBunny 1 year ago
@HoneybunchBunny You're right, all animals can learn behaviours or tricks given time, patience and kindness. I believe the video will have been posted as an example of positively trained wild animals so that similar methods other than restraint and punishment to teach dogs similar husbandry behaviours. Teaching wild animals choice is amazing.
barefoothappy 1 year ago
Amazing !!! :O
:)
Lilllo24 1 year ago
One of the more amazing videos I've seen. I love hyenas, and I've only read about their training up to now. Awesome.
frondsnfauna 1 year ago