Judo Ne-Waza HL (by Yukiore)

[luchador1764]

Love the pic of Helio eating nutsack at the end.

[2431346]

Kimura was a man of muscle. He owned Helio. Choked him out in 30 seconds and broke his arm.

[KatameDo]

Whatever!! You're just like Joe Rogan. Watch any UFC where a triangle choke is applied. "great BJJ there" Judo newaza specialists like Sensei Oda and those he instructed under Kosen Judo rules in the early 1900's took Newaza to a whole new level. Judoka created the triangle choke and it's variations. Granted Sport Judo is designed for quick ippons for victory which you get with big throws. However, don't think for a second that the BJJ guys created much of anything with the exception of some se

[SirRediazVh]

@KatameDo Judoka create triangle choke?? haha ur kidding right? triangle chock are invented by old Samurai people, its one of technique in Japanese Jiu Jitsu. are u even realize that Jigoro Kano also just Mixing/ gathering all the techniques from various Jujutsu school? Mr Kano didn't create any new technique. he just collect all the throwing, pinching, and submission techniques of jujutsu and remove all the striking techniques, and that become Judo as u know today.

[KatameDo]

@SirRediazVh

Do some research before running off at the mouth. Read 'Shimewaza" by Kashiwazaki, Judo Masterclass Series. Specifically page 72. The Triangle choke and its variations were created by the Kosen players as a means to defeat the turtle position, PERIOD!!

What old Samurai in their right mind would put their groin in biting distance? Completely impractical on the battefield. As far as Kano goes, u are out of your mind and VASTLY underrating his importance to modern arts.

[SirRediazVh]

@KatameDo The Gracie didn't make ay new techniques, i admit that. why?? because it will just wasting of times, why they have to make a new techniques while they technically have a knowledge about Judo. The Gracie didn't make a new technique, but they make a different way of fighting style. 

[judorican973]

Judo always wins!!!

[felomanias]

0:51 Hidehiko yoshida??

[sonnych69]

whats the name of the song

[skrimpshidy]

Remember when Newaza was still a part of Judo?

[mulisha6]

@skrimpshidy Yeah, just got 2 shime waza wins last week and a tani otoshi waza ari to Mat hold. 1st, all newaza

[skrimpshidy]

@mulisha6 Nice!!!!!!!!!!! Good job!

[onetoonepointsix]

Bjj - Basically Japanese Jujutsu (without all of the stand up throws, stand up joint locks, self defense techniques, punches, kicks, takedowns and weaponry). So basically, take everything out except the grappling and Voila -- bjj. And even then, due to being primarily taught for sport, bjj has removed T-O-N-S of moves that are still taught in several jujutsu styles (and catch wrestling too).

[NounsRus]

BAH!! bam bam from bedrock was the first true martial artist, way before the asians or indians

[skrimpshidy]

3:24 Freakin fantastic!

[helmutlvx]

Judo is awesome, BJJ is awesome.

What the fuck is y'all's problem?

[hidarikikica]

@helmutlvx word. Martial arts are restricted only by the minds and bodies of the practitioners, not the locale of practise or region of decent.

[grahamhg]

@helmutlvx Judo guys are annoyed that half of their martial art has been 'stolen' and repackaged as something else.

[knownpornographer]

there is nothing in bjj that isnt found in judo. in fact there is alot missing from bjj. dont forget that gracie was defeated by a move they named after a judo practioner. bjj worked so well in the begining because no one understood the strategy. once you figure that out a bjj white belt could hold off a black belt . but i will say this bjj is quickly becoming part of every martial art and for good reason. then again judo (standing, throws, trips) is already a part of every martial art.

[hatepoofly02]

Why did they forbid going for knee and ankle subs in judo newaza?

[grahamhg]

@hatepoofly02 leg injuries

[serekithegreat]

Damn, I wish there was a Kosen Judo school near me. I would pay a lot for the honor to train there.

[BDRioga]

How can I improve my newaza?

[JustusScottJr]

@BDRioga 1st is always repetititious experimentation and application of practical theory. (practice makes perfect) Second is to seek out an instructor that has talent in it. Instructor selection is very important. It is also important that the instructor emphasizes what you want to learn. A traditional jujitsu dojo is more likely to focus on self defence, where Judo, BJJ, and MMA will more likely focus on sport applications.

[brainstew232]

@JustusScottJr So true...

[grahamhg]

@BDRioga train more, and i hate to say it - take some BJJ classes.

[Rnt911]

@laurelridgerods Are you crazy? So they should do judo to compete in MMA.

[Owdbum289]

bjj came from judo no doubt...but if bjj is just ne waza, how come the judo bb's that occasionally train at our bjj club, are so monumentally shite at ground work? Sure they have a great base, are very strong, and will do their very best to pin you, but they lack any effective attacking submissions. Modern Judo is not the judo studied 100 years ago, mores the pity...btw I love judo b4 any of you judo boys call 'hater'

[revoltron1]

BJJ and judo are simply different dialects of the same language, their foundations are the same

[revoltron1]

BJJ and judo are simply different dialects of the same language, their foundations are the same

[serekithegreat]

Very true.

[CDbythecross]

Hats off to all that dedicate their time and effort to this art. I just started Judo and absolutely love it at 42. Wish i got into it at an earlier age though.

To be this good would be a dream come true.

[Hotora86]

Be careful though, injuries are a bitch

[youngstunna79]

Also, the Greeks were too unorganized to preserve anything they had. When the "dark ages", actually really the Golden Age of Islam, the Greeks lost everything, although the Muslims preserved it. Without the Muslims everything that was Greek or Roman would have not been known today. How can you compare retarded naked gay greeks fighting each other like cavemen to centuries of preservation and detail and evolution of the most effective techniques past to an organized group of warriors (Samurais)

[Saladin121087]

the soldiers of ancient greece were just as well trained as the warriors and samurai class of japan , ancient greek pankration had just as many effective techniques as japanese jui jitsu , maybe even more not only were the greek soldiers trained in this for battle , it was also a sport so it was practiced on a wider level , greeks had more ememies then japan , japan was an island nation that only fought eachother in isolation , how is that smart?

[youngstunna79]

@Saladin121087 ok, here we go an update. Pankration had many stupidass techniques that are not used today. The foundation of MMA is based ON ASIAN martial arts. No wrestler can survive without learning ASIAN techniques. Asians have an average I.Q. of 105 white people 99. China had the highest G.D.P. for the past 18 of the last 20 centuries. They are also growing by 800 billion (PPP) each year. Asians wrote the book and placed the foundation of Modern Civilization.

[Saladin121087]

@youngstunna79 what the hell, i forget whats going on , the only reason japanese had firearms was because of portuguese , japanese only met the mongols on 2 occasions it wasnt an on going thing , as for ''asian techniques'' theres only a certian number of ways to bend joints the wrong way or to choke someone unconsious , europe developed there systems and asia developed there systems of doing that possibly seperatly without knowledge that there was even another continent out there doing that

[youngstunna79]

@Saladin121087 Also, gunpowder was developed in the 9th century and then guns later in the 12th centuries by the Chinese, so although the Portuguese (I already know that) introduced guns to Japan in 1598, they had a large army. Eventually, China will become the world power again and it will be common to know the history of China that you do not know about and others as well. China will double its economy in 10 years and triple it in 20 years from it is right now.

[Saladin121087]

@youngstunna79 theorys also have it that alexander of macedon brought the pankration system to india , now india is credited with the origin of most asian martial arts systems especaly the evolution of kung fu and silat wich in turn influenced jujitsu , karate. and yes i understand that BJJ is a ripp off from kosen judo , but BJJ has also evolved into its own thing since its development , you cannot pin point techniques as being ''asian'' or ''european''

[youngstunna79]

@Saladin121087 Lol, pankration could have never survived everything was destroyed in fact if the Muslims did not preserve Greek and Roman culture, it would have been lost in history. Pankration DOES NOT EXIST, the techniques could have never been developed because it was lost when the Muslims destroyed it. The "Dark Ages" is actually the Golden Age of Islam. Where more technology was developed then the Roman and Greek times combined. Pankration will be full of only ASIAN techniques.

[youngstunna79]

@Saladin121087 Also, The Mongol Empire was 4 times larger than the Roman empire. The Mongols could have easily taken over the entire world. You try to make claims about Europeans actually having a sophisticated self defense system, BUT IT DOES NOT EXIST. It is just eurocentric bullshit. Issac Newton didn't discover Calculus first, it predates him as far back with the Egyptians. Copernicus DID not discover the solar system it PREDATES him by 400 years from Muslims.

[youngstunna79]

@Saladin121087 It can be easily pinpointed to Asian. Muay Thai, Karate, Aikido, Hapkido, Chin Na, Kung Fu etc. etc. Organized fighting systems that are popular throughout the world originate in Asia. China is pretty much the center of it, China had the highest GDP per capita for 18 of the last 20 centuries. ALSO, wrestling techniques that Greek and Romans used most likely even came from Mesopotamia, Egypt, since their civilization PREDATES them by 1000s of years.

[youngstunna79]

@Saladin121087 China is also growing by 800 billion a year (PPP), while Europe just keeps borrowing and borrowing. China owns 25% of the U.S. debt. Europe barely has any foreign reserves, Japan itself has more money saved than all of Europe, you can even make a case with South Korea. China has 2.5 trillion in foreign reserves. Europeans do not save, they do not understand moderation and balance. GREECE just borrowed 1 trillion to JUST pay interest. They will borrow more and more.

[youngstunna79]

@Saladin121087 Greece is not the only country in trouble Portugal and Ireland are in trouble. Also, if there is a sophisticated fighting system that exist in Europe WTF is it called? IT DOES NOT EXIST, pankration DOES NOT EXIST. In fact, Greco-Roman wrestling is not even based on pankration or has anything to do with Greeks or Romans. The style was developed from Entertainment Wrestlers in the late 1800's. EVERYTHING IS A BULLSHITTED LIE. Eurocentric ignorant bullshit....so tired of it.

[youngstunna79]

@Saladin121087 Pankration can only exist as a bullshit name to claim martial art techniques developed in Asia. Where are all the old Pankration schools? THEY DO NOT EXIST. ALSO, Pankration or "no holds barred" competition ALSO is predated by the Chinese and Egyptians 3000 BCE.

[youngstunna79]

@Saladin121087 India is also still Asia, lol because we share the culture. Anyway, it can NEVER have a European origins, that is in fact laughable. It may have some origin in India, but regardless its development originates in China. What I know is that Kung Fu's actual person was to keep the monks in shape to not fall asleep during meditation. Martial arts was taken to the next level because of China's Military and the necessity to develop the techniques.

[youngstunna79]

All civilizations have a fighting system, none of them really preserved and developed like Asian Martial arts. The Mongol Empire was 4 times larger than the Roman empire. Mitsuyko Maeda founder of "So Called" Brazilian Jujitsu. Brazilian just named the art there's for nationalistic propaganda. Even the Philosophy of Juijitsu is used in Brazilian Juijitsu. Why ARE THEY WEARING JAPANESE JUJITSU GIs if it is THERE ART! ADMIT IT, Stop rationalizing Japanese developed the art for thousands

[youngstunna79]

How can Jujitsu be developed developed by Brazilians, Brazil hasn't even been a nation for more than 200 years, while Jujitsu is more than a Thousand years OLD U STUPID IGNORANT FUCK. NOTHING OF THE GREEKS WAS PRESERVED THEIR CIVILIZATION WAS DESTROYED BY MUSLIMS AFTER THE "DARK AGES". There is in fact NO SUCH THING AS THE DARK AGES, that is EUROCENTRIC BULLSHIT. There was more technology developed during the "Dark Ages" than the Greek and Roman civilizations combined.

[youngstunna79]

The U.S. is BORROWING themselves into more and more debt, THE ASIANS Chinese especially are BUYING THE DEBT by buying their BONDS. Within 10-15 years China will be the most powerful economy in the world. EUROPE IS GOING BANKRUPT while ASIA'S ECONOMY IS GROWING OUT OF CONTROL. There actually might be a WHOLE COLLAPSE of Europe and ASIAN WILL BE BARELY AFFECTED. Dumb ignorantass crackers and their EUROCENTRIC DELUSIONS. HOW COME THERE AREN'T ANY REALLY GOOD WHITE BOXERS, LOL.

[youngstunna79]

The Ancient Greeks also fought with barely any armor in skirts. ALSO, regarding Japan Also fought the Mongols who had GUNS. Japan actually had the largest Naval Force in the 16th along with the most guns in the world more than the largest army at the time the Spanish Army. READ ABOUT IT, IT IS ALL FACTS. Japan in the 19th century was the 3rd Largest Economy in the world. They were the second CURRENTLY, but China Surpassed them this year.

[youngstunna79]

If pankration is such a great art, where are the books and ancient preservation of the art? Where is the development of the art. IF PANKRATION IS SO TIGHT WHY DON'T MMA FIGHTERS USE PANKRATION INSTEAD OF JUJITSU! The GREEK ARE SHIT, all they can talk about is shit they accomplished 2500 YEARS AGO, LET'S COMPARE GREEK AND JAPANESE SOCIETY NOW and the last 2000 years. THE GREEKS ARE ALSO SO CORRUPT, THEIR ECONOMY IS COLLAPSING. They BORROWED 700 TRILLION DOLLARS JUST TO PAY INTEREST.

[youngstunna79]

If pankration is so tight and effective WHY AREN'T MMA FIGHTERS USING PANKRATION "If it is an actual art, lol" THAN JUJITSU, MUAY THAI, KARATE OR ANY ASIAN ART? PANKRATION IS BULLSHIT THERE ARE NO REAL PANKRATION SCHOOLS, BUT THERE ARE THOUSAND YEAR OLD ASIAN MARTIAL ARTS SCHOOLS. THE BASIS OF MMA IS ASIAN MARTIAL ARTS. PANKRATION IS BULLSHIT, JUST LIKE SAMBO WHICH IS ACTUALLY JUJITSU. White people steal Asian martial arts are rename them LOL, Sambo, Jujitsu, Pankration.

[youngstunna79]

Ok, have you seen Japanese society? It is pretty much a modern utopia. They are extremely civilized and intelligent people. I would say the most intelligent people in the world. I am not Japanese, but that is what it is. In fact if you research I.Q. you will see Japan and Korea have the highest I.Q. in the world. Japan generates 20% of the worlds technology, more than all of Europe combined. Why do you deny in every way what the samurais developed trying to credit Helio and nothing to japan

[4c00h]

Do you have a link to this IQ research you found?

[hooverbaglegs]

Nope....no diff....look at 5.00...judoka.

[hooverbaglegs]

So why is a kimura lock in BJJ called thus? Because kimura - the judoka above broke Helio's arm with it.....so much for bjj...... (actually it's "udegarami" in Judo)....oh yeah - he'd already strangled him unconscious.

This was however ...when judoka used to practice alot more newaza.

[youngstunna79]

It is not really Brazilian Jujitsu it is Maeda Jujitsu the ACTUAL FOUNDER. Brazilians don't have a grappling art without Mitsuyo Maeda the founder of Judo with a concentration on Newaza. Maeda had over 2000 matches and claimed to be undefeated, that is how his style was developed through fighting martial artist throughout the world.

[Saladin121087]

maeda didnt found judo , jigoro kano did , and brazillians do have a grappling art , its called luta livre , do some research before spurting inconsistant shit

[laranjaworm]

Marco Ruas sim era o guerreiro que mostrou que se deve acreditar mais no atleta do que na Arte q ele treina e ainda andam por aí fazendo comparações entre artes marciais... ¬¬

[KatameDo]

BJJ is just another name for Judo Newaza.

GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!

[mulisha6]

@KatameDo Just competed in BJJ Competiton yesterday, got first place with Okuri Eri Jime, and Koshijime, nailed Sasae Tsukoriomi Ashi for 2 points of takedown. Stupid rubber gaurd was no defense, ill take the first.

[rubberguard83]

@mulisha6

lol

[JustusScottJr]

@KatameDo AMEN BROTHER! Unfortunately the ignorant rarely ever want to become otherwise. You would think they would at least know the origins fo their own art. It isn't even 100 years old yet, and alredy it's history is lost.

[takidabossen]

@KatameDo LOL

[youngstunna79]

And that's why BJJ students wear gis and have a belt system. Regardless Judo is a system, it couldn't be imparted as just moves, it has to be transferred as a whole, philosophy and all. It is NOT regarded as a sport (like wrestling), BUT a way of life an emulation of Samurai life.

[Bencheche72]

@KatameDo It's a bit more complicated than that. The rules have changed so much that judo is not the same judo it was when Kashiwazaki was world Champion or when Okano won the olympics. Your not wrong but it's a bit like saying rugby league is rugby union. They are both basically rugby but they are the rules make different demands on the players. Actually it's like saying sevens rugby is the same as union. Sure it's all rugby but it isn't uite the same is it?

[Ligierthegreensun]

@KatameDo Get over the fact that BJJ surpassed judo in newaza. BJJ practitioners took what Maeda taught them and ran with it in newaza. To say that it's nothing more than judo newaza is silly at best. It's like if you had a martial art based on punching and kicking and one school focused almost entirely on punching, and the other school focused almost entirely on kicking, and you saying that the kicking is nothing more than a style of punching. Modern judo is almost all nage-waza.

[TheObelix876]

@Ligierthegreensun we still train 50% /50% standing and ground at the judo school where i trian. but i do have great respect for BJJ since it is an effective art and focuses on laying on bottom aswell alot which is a position we dont like ot be in i think you should learn / study both arts to get true judo back that was invented by kano

[combatsambonyc]

@KatameDo Are those set ups the same as BJJ?

[geronimonist]

what's the song?

[Levitic22]

yeah agree with you helio had some trouble with the trhows, cause his size i dont know well, but thats it he worked on newaza, and i you can fight with no gi in judo, ask karo parisian, fedor emilianenko, or pawel nastula, i fight without gi, and i can tell you that almost all techniques in judo you can do it without gi. thanks!

[sleepykid156]

well BJJ is just a transition of Judo into Brazil. This gets me wondering if Mitsuyo Maeda was doing Kosen Judo

[ResidentSamurai]

Kosen Judo was middle school Judo designed for the sole purpose of training young students in half of the Judo curriculum.

In short the answer is now and will forever be no.

[birlisa1]

I have seen some of the old video-clips from the Gracies, made in the late fifthies or beginnig of the sixties. Its not even kosen Judo, its normal Kodokan Judo as I learned it in the late seventies.

The same art, no difference, only they called it "Jiu-Jitsu". The "BJJ" term came in play for the north american marked, when UFC started up in the nineties.

[youngstunna79]

This is hella wrong. The Jiu Jitsu name came from Brazil, because when Kosen Judo (or Judo with an emphasis on newaza) was introduced to Brazil by Mitsuyo Maeda, Judo was not popular yet, so it was known for its traditional name Jiu Jitsu instead of Judo. It is really suppose to be called Maeda Judo, but instead the Gracie's claim the art instead of honoring the founder and teacher of the art to them Mitsuyo Maeda, a student of Jigoro Kano the founder of Judo.

[samluke8121]

@youngstunna79 Meada was a Kodokan Judoka.

The bottom line is catch wrestling and Kosen Judo can make BJJ look like beginners child randori(sparring).

[shuriken86]

holy cow backwards triangle?

[KingColliwog]

haha, for some reason, triangles seem to mostly be backward in judo. Probably because turtling is more prevalent

[shuriken86]

i hear most of these judo moves are only applicable with a strong jacket, or gi only, is that tru?

[sleepykid156]

not necessiarily, alot of Ne Waza techniques can be applied without Gi. Some throws and Take Downs can be applied without the Gi as well

[shuriken86]

oh lol thats actually prett cool, this is why martial arts is awesome theres so many styles to choose from and alot wether ppl believe or not work in real combat, Judo is gaining more popularity than karate or TKD, while karate is gaining poularity slowly because of machida, Judo is gaining faster

[newazajunkie]

great vid. Bjj owes much to kano sensei. Especially waza.~ randori and many sinilar safety rules. That is what makes it fun and effective.

[takidabossen]

@newazajunkie I agree! kano sensei was a genius :) 

[johnsalchijohn]

ya fue basta de discusion!! ya es pesado ver a dos pracitcantes de judo y jiu jitsu sumergidos en una batalla de egos! basta de rivalidades y como judoca les digo que podemos aprender de bjj como ellos de nosotros! estaria bueno realizar mas encuentros entre ambas artes y sumar y aprender! saludos

[JABVIZ]

Dime una cosa por que yoshida y otros judokas de renombre, siendo un medalla olímpica y un gran judoka supuestamente con honor se a subido al pride a pelear?, para que para demostrar la honorabilidad del judo? yo creo que no, entonces quien desprestigia al judo? con lo de las tecnicas te digo que que yo no te puedo explicar todas las que hay en bjj eso lo tendrias que ver, es la única manera, al igual que tu las de judo.

[JABVIZ]

Cuantos judokas se han pegado como se han pegado los gracies, la verdad muy pocos y para mi y mucha gente eso tiene mucho merito, con lo cual la fama y la gloria se la han ganado, guste o no es así.

[JABVIZ]

los de judo estáis picados con los de bjj y no se por que, envidia, odio, no lose la verdad pero lo que si se es que la gente de judo deberían agradecer el que los sistemas de grapplin estén de moda gracias al bjj que estaban un poco descuidados gracias a los sistemas de golpeo como el kick y el muay tai , yo no comulgo con algunas actitudes de los gracies pero ellos se han ganado a pulso donde están y ahora los de judo os queréis poner la medalla y no os lo creéis ni en sueños.

[OctaviousLecter]

Precisamente por eso estamos "picados" los judokas con los gracies. Ellos pervirtieron el verdadero sentido del Judo. El judo es un arte que promueve la humildad, el honor, la amistad y la camaraderia, y los gracies se robaron las técnicas y fundaron escuelas para lucrar, y formar la UFC, y federaciones, y patrocinios, y jamas le han dado el crdito que se merece el judo.

Las artes marciales no se inventaron para hacer dinero, se inventaron para defensa y mejor la salud fisica y espiritual

[JABVIZ]

y el bjj también o te crees que estamos a cuchillazos en las clases? te deberias informar el por que del ufc de los gracies no el de ahora que ya no lo llevan ellos, t vuelvo a decir que los gracies no robaron nada, ni engañaron a nadie. leete su historia el ufc fue muchísimos años después de los combates de helio gracie. cuando helio era un anciano.

[JABVIZ]

Fíjate si estaré informado, me hablaste de sakuawa que se avía cepillado a royce si y no te quito la razon, pero a que no saves donde iba a entrenar sakurawa....... tachan, a brasil si a brasil a practicar bjj, a que no lo savias? y luego de yoshida pues te dire que ese combate no esta muy claro por que se paro antes de tiempo y a que no saves lo que le paso a yoshida en la revancha contra royce?.... tachan, que royce se lo cepillo y claro eso no lo dices,

[Mayhemkid505]

Is judo's newaza just as good as BJJ's newaza?

[OctaviousLecter]

BJJ has nothing of brazilian dude.

The gracies stole ALL the techniques from judo newaza, add a 2or 3 useless techniques, change the names of the original tehniques for some stupid names like gogoplata, and claim that they invented a new art. It's just a lie for making money

[JABVIZ]

Tambien tenemos la lucha de helio gracie contra kimura y al terminar la pelea kimura le dijo a helio que fuese a japon a enseñar, y yo me pregunto si savian tanto suelo los japos ¿como es que invito kimura a helio a enseñar a japon?. bueno yo creo que con esto ya e expuesto mi punto de vista, sinceramente e de decir que el judo me parece un estupendo arte marcial al igual que el jiu jitsu brasileño y otros muchos pero cada uno con lo suyo claro.

[fairplaynow]

eso de que kimura le dijo a helio que fuera a enseñar a japon es caspa, habladurias, bullshit de rorion gracie. t e deberias leer el extracto de la autobiografia de masahiko Kimura. (judoinfo)

[OctaviousLecter]

En el libro de Sensei Kimura, "My Judo", el jamás hablo de una invitacion a Helio, y también dice que la diferencia de peso y estatura era mínima, al contrario de lo que dice Rorion, que Sensei Kimura era enorme y quele sacaba como 30 kilos a Helio. Pero así son los gracies, una banda de ladrones desvergonzados, que no saben más que poner escusas cuando pierden.

[JABVIZ]

yo vuelvo a decir que en donde veo mas similitudes es en el kosen judo pero es lo que dige antes que ellos hacen mucho suelo y esta evolucionado, tambien e de decir que actualmente en judo se estan haciendo competiciones de ne waza que me parece muy bien pero veo que les queda mucho camino y si no mira una competicion de ne waza y un mundial de bjj y veras la diferencia mira videos de roger gracie que esta in batido o de jakare o de werdum o de marcelo garcia etc y veras el verdadero bjj

[OctaviousLecter]

Los brazileños son buenos, y existen muchos competidores que han aportado mucho, como robson moura, o Leo Viera, pero si son tan chingones como dice, entonces por que Sakuraba se paso a todos por los huevos, incluso a Roice, y eso que habia tomado esteroides antes de enfrentarlo, y ni hablar del baile que le puso Joshida a roice.

[JABVIZ]

ya que esta prohibido el estrangular con el antebrazo eso es una estrangulacion respiratoria muy peligosa, se tiene que hacer con el antebrazo y el biceps quedando nuestro codo en linea con la barbilla de nuestro contrario y eso es una estrangulacion sanginea, esta es otra gran diferencia que demuestra la inmensa evolucion del bjj respecto al judo despues claro esta la diferencia técnica en la lucha, no se como decirte es mas suave que en judo por a si decirlo

[OctaviousLecter]

LA submission de la que hablas (arm triangle) ya existia en el judo ne-waza, de hecho existia desde el jiu-jitsu, asi que no me vengas con que le evolucion del BJJ. Es un pinche freaude multimillonario, por por no informarte te crees todo lo que te dicen. Si el BJJ fuera el sistema más efectivo no se habrian cogido a los gracies, no ha Marcelo garcía, ni a tanto cabrón que cree que por tener un cinturon negro enBJJ cree que ya puede madrear a quien sea

[JABVIZ]

Valla creí que este tema estaba olvidado, lo del triangulo claro que existe en judo y sambo también y ya existía en algunas escuelas de jujutsu antiguo yo no discuto eso, esas son técnicas básicas que en la mayoría de sistemas de grapplin tienen, yo ablo q ya lo dije antes, de la evolución de esas técnicas o sea las variaciones que hay,yo si estoy muy informado,tampoco e dicho q el bjj sea el mejor del mundo eso no existe, unos son mejores otros peores.

[OctaviousLecter]

no estoy de acuerdo en lo de la "evolución". Es verdad que existen variaciones, pero son contadas, y muy minimas. O ¿realmente crees que las variaciones son tantas y tan grandes que vuelven la lucha en piso un juego completamente diferente? pues claro que no, en escencia sigue siendo lo mismo, asi que para mi no ha evolucionado. Las nuevas tecnicas no son efectivas, o de verdad has visto ganar a alguien usando el tornado roll, o la Robinho cross guard, o el cubo rubikk?¿no verdadd?

[JABVIZ]

Que las variaciones son contadas o minimas?? entonces no estamos ablando de lo mismo, sabes cual es la guardia de la riva? yo solo me limito a lo que veo y lo que veo es que judo suelo actual difiere bastante del bjj igual que el sambo suelo, yo te invito a que pruebes una clase de bjj y veras la diferencia.

[OctaviousLecter]

De la riva guard es una variación pero eso no hace al BJJ un nuevo arte. por ejemplo si yo me aprendo todas las patadas del taekwondo, y me invento 2 o 3, ya cree un "nuevo" arte marcial? pues NO! igual con el BJJ. Si hay chingomil tecnicas nuevas pero ¿sirven? pues NO. Yo nunca he visto a nadie ganr usando la octupuss guard,ni el "asylum" de bravo,ni la flying omoplata de basilio, y como no sirven, nadie los usa y como nadie los usa, la lucha en piso sigue siendo kosen judo. no te engañes.

[JABVIZ]

Pues tu mismo me das la razon, por que el kosen judo es distinto al judo que se enseña generalmente, digamos que es un estilo dentro del judo, ademas ya lo dije antes y siges sin leer lo que yo puse, si haces mucho suelo seras bueno en suelo y si haces muchas proyecciones seras bueno en proyecciones, dime una cosa es el judo actual distinto al judo de los inicios? yo creo que si pues en bjj pasa lo mismo a evolucionado muchísimo pero si no lo practicas no lo podrás entender.

[JABVIZ]

Que el judo tiene suelo por supuesto yo nunca lo e negado igual que el sambo y el jujutsu y la lucha greco y unas cuantas mas, pero tan evolucionado como el bjj vuelvo a decir que no, en este y otros videos de judo veo muchísimos errores en suelo como por ejemplo dar la espalda fácilmente en algunos casos, y eso me demuestra que esos luchadores hacen poco suelo o incluso quedarse quietos cosa que en bjj eso no ocurre, tambien e de decirte que el mata leon no es exactamente como el hadaka jime

[JABVIZ]

Siguiendo el hilo, y dicen que es la mejor del mundo por que es casi impenetrable y solo se da en bjj y sobre todo claro esta en la escuela de la riva, su inventor ricardo de la riva, aqui puedes buscar muchos vídeos suyos yo esa guardia no la e visto en ningun video de judo y ningun compañero q a echo judo me a dicho que la tengan y lo mismo pasa con la infinidad de raspados y guardias como la guardia araña y sus miles de variaciones y a si 20 mil cosas mas.

[kidpeligro0026]

pero unca practica asi tiempo completo bjj siempre practicaba eh practicado judo en mi dojo y viaje en varias ocaciones a atlanta donde hay un dojo ke se llama(aliance) el profesor se llama jakare y me examinava con el.

[JABVIZ]

Por eso el bjj esta mas evolucionado que el judo en suelo, por que se practica mucho mas, si tu haces judo y haces mucho suelo seras bueno en suelo si haces muchas proyecciones seras bueno en proyecciones asi de sencillo.Yo tengo compañeros q bienen de judo a mejorar su suelo al igual que compañeros de bjj que van a judo a mejorar sus proyecciones, no hay nada de malo en eso se puede complementar perfectamente. el bjj dehoy no es el mismo de hace 60años a evolucionado.

[kidpeligro0026]

la verdad es que si,pero no deja de ser el mismo arte con diferentes reglas de competincion. y las tecnicas sigue siendo las mismas en las dos artes. un arm bar en judo se llama juji gatame, una kimura es ude garami, un triangulo es sankaku, una omoplata es sankaku garami, mata leon es hadaka jime. Yo soy segundo dan en judo y morado en bjj. Me encuentro que son practicamente iguales con la diferencia que te dije. ahora tengo un dojo en mi pais ke se llama Kosen Dojo

[JABVIZ]

Bueno vamos a ver, el juji gatame el sankaku el hadaka jime si son iguales que en judo y iguales que en sambo y que en ju jitsu tradicional y no por eso son la misma cosa, esas son tecnicas basicas que se aprenden en todos los sistemas de grappling, la diferencia estriba en las variaciones a la hora de aplicarse, por ejemplo tenemos la guardia de la riva que supongo que tu conocerás si tienes esa graduación en bjj, pues bien ese tipo de guardia dicen que es la mejor del mundo......

[OctaviousLecter]

Que gusto me da escuchar a un practicante de "B"JJ que no niegue las raices judokas de el bjj. Si me permites externate mi opinion, yo creo que Helio se pirateo todo, y le puso su apellido e invento un chorote para abrir dojos en brazil y hacerse de dinero, pensando que como en america no habian difundido el kosen judo nadie se iba a dar cuenta. ahora, pienso que el que crea la historia de helio debe de estar completamente ciego, y no hay peor ciego que el que no quiere ver.

[JABVIZ]

Cosa que yo no e echo nunca, yo nunca lo e negado ademas la historia esta hay y se puede ver perfectamente; con lo de helio te vuelves a confundir helio gracie no engaño a nadie a qui hay videos que lo demustran en entrevistas el dijo yo no cree nada yo modifique lo que aprendi que es distinto, es el judo idual que el ju jutsu? no pero sin envargo los 2 tienen proyecciones y suelo, entonces.... Ademas creo que el kosen judo se creo despues que maeda estubiera en brasil.

[kidpeligro0026]

olle kosen judo no existe, kosen eran un grupo de universidades en el japon y se daba clases de judo del kodokan, lo que paso fue que cuando quisieron hacer el judo mas comercial y recortale un poc el newaza los de la universidades kosen se quedaron dando judo tradicional.

[OctaviousLecter]

yo lo que tenia entendido era que a la practica de Judo Kodokan, con un fuerte enfasis en Newaza se le llamaba Kosen Judo, pero gracias por el dato. ¿Podrías decirme donde obtubiste la info.? Gracias

[JABVIZ]

Todos estos vídeos que se ponen sobre el judo suelo, están bien pero no es la tónica general en una competición de judo, ya que cuando en judo llegas al suelo en una competicion, solo tienes unos segundos para aplicar un tecnica o si no el arbitro te dice que te tienes que levantar, estos videos son trozos de esos momentos digamos especiales de suelo que tiene el judo en competición. Por lo demás la lucha se vasa en proyectar al contrario, todos los que practiquen judo creo que lo sabrán.

[kidpeligro0026]

no tambien estas confundido con las reglas. lo que mas engancha en judo son las proyecciones de eso no hay duda. pero sobre las reglas de suelo el arbitro te debe de dejar luchar mientras te vea trabajando, una vez se tranke la pelea y la newaza no proceda entonces el arbitro devera parar la pelea

[JABVIZ]

Tambien hay una prueba evidente en el estilo de judo kosen que hacen un énfasis casi exclusivo en la lucha en suelo mucho mas que el judo que vemos siempre en competicion, yo practico bjj y muay thai, sobre las reglas si tu haces judo sabras mas que yo, pero la tonica general en una competicion no es esto del video es lo que dige yo antes que hay muy poco suelo, y no es que sea malo ni bueno simplemente es que es así, igual que en bjj veras que casi no hay proyecciones todo va al suelo.

[JABVIZ]

bjj nº1

[kidpeligro0026]

yes bjj is a copy of judo

[JABVIZ]

El judo desciende en realidad del jiu jitsu o ju jutsu que es lo mismo pero dicho de diferente forma, se puede mirar en cualquier informacion sobre la historia del judo y la invencion de jigoro kano. El JJB desciende del judo antiguo y del ju jutsu japones ya que el konde koma o mitsuo maeda alumno directo de kano y maestro de carlos gracie también avía practicado ju jutsu antiguo en otros ryus o escuelas japonesas, y lo enseño a los gracies. con lo cual no solo bebieron del judo.

[kidpeligro0026]

lo que pasa es que al prinsipio al judo de le decian el jujitsu de kanon pero eso es todo..

 que tu practicas???

[JABVIZ]

La verdad es que la historia es bien compleja, lo que creo kano fue jujutsu kano ryu que fue el primer nombre que puso antes que el de judo, y el judo primigenio y el judo de hoy no tienen nada que ver, el de hoy es mas competición y el antiguo era totalmente distinto con muchas menos limitaciones, y eso fue lo que aprendieron los gracies y ju jutsu que aprendio el conde koma o maeda, de hay que los gracies an dicho siempre que ellos aprendieron ju jutsu o jiu jitsu,

[OctaviousLecter]

Que morros tienes tio! y segun tu, estas informado. Bueno dejame disipar tu ignorancia y soberbia clasica de un practicante de "B"JJ. Mitzuyo MAeda JAMAS fue practicante de jiu jitsu tradicional. El prctico sumo de joven, y despues judo, que era conocido como Kano Jiu Jitsu. Los gracies no aprendiero Jiujitsu, practicaron Judo Newaza, y como no se pudieron aprender los nombres en japonés le pusieron nobres estupidos como mataleón y omoplata. "B"jj es una copia al carbon del judo. Punto

[Hotora86]

Olympic Judo should re-emphasize ne-waza since it's interesting to more people nowadays.

[sullivan28779]

You are right! I was taught by one of Kimura's(in video) students, so you know we liked to roll! Also, I just moved to Western N. Carolina and from what I hear the local judges allow longer time for newaza.

[ceroeck]

best martial art ever

[bobpinto2]

nao adianta parar no tempo o jiu jitsu eh uma evolucao do judo.

BJJ SEMPRE

[PauloEspectrum]

Vai ser burro assim lah na casa do caralho heim!!

[biggytop]

Overhead leg move at 4:38 is crazy!

[Greatsocratesghost]

The cartwheel at 3:28 is awesome.

[fupasack2]

this is basically exactly like BJJ. i dont understand what the difference is and where the "brazillian" part comes from.

isnt that kind of like plagurism? lol!

[erofereht]

You're right. Bjj does come from its parent art, KOSEN JUDO. Research kosen judo and you'll see the truth that the gracie family doesn't want you to know.

[Greatsocratesghost]

To adress the question of why it is called Brazilian Jiujitsu instead of Judo, one must consider both the fact that all Judo and in fact all Japanese martial arts may well have been called "Jiujitsu" there (Just as, for a good amount of time after WWII, everything was called Judo), and the fact that Count Maeda may have called what he was teaching Jiujitsu anyway.

[Kletterbuxe]

The basics are pretty much the same but the setups, defenceses and the positioning is advanced in bjj. This part of judo is the true fahther of bjj. The gracies did not invent groudfighting, but they brought it to another level and it is still developing.

[paulvader212]

well actually it came from kodokan judo. Its just that the gracies like helio had trouble with throws so he worked on ne-waza

[youngstunna79]

No dude, Maeda taught Newaza to the gracies for helping them open up his school. That is how Kosen Judo was introduce and popularized in Brazil. Maeda had actually developed the technique through fighting people and different styles throughout the world, when Kano the founder of Judo sent his best students throughout the world to spread his new martial arts. It should be called Maeda Jujitsu not Brazilian or Gracie Jujitsu, Maeda taught his hybrid Judo to the Gracies and they call it bjj

[Greatsocratesghost]

The difference stems from Helio adopting it to his own relatively frail frame. It would seem that BJJ involves a bit more emphasis on staying in a safe/ dominate position than Kosen Judo does, and some of the techniques seem to have been modified a bit.

[strokerman01]

Look up Dave Camarillo and see what he has to say about it being the "same" as Judo. It's similar, thanks to its sharing the same origins. But, they are in fact different.

[bradyfl]

no leg locks in judo, you can't win by a hold-down in jiu jitsu. a lot of the techniques are the same but the game is played differently. you must show constant progress in judo to avoid being stood up.

[OctaviousLecter]

of course there are leglocks in judo, exactly the same as in BJJ (plagiarism? of course), the thing is that most of them are banned in tournaments, that's why you don't see them ASSHOLE

[JABVIZ]

De soberbia nada colega, yo creo que el mal informado eres tu y si no mira mis mensajes anteriores, en primer lugar me pones cosas como yo digo q el bjj es lo mejor cuando yo no e dicho eso, es un excelente sistema y al igual q el judo pero con sus diferencias, cuanta gente de judo practica bjj para mejorar su suelo? y cuanta del bjj para mejorar sus proyecciones? pues te lo dire muuuuuuuuchisima.

[kalikaputra]

Because the Brazilians took it and adjusted it to their environment and really drilled it.This been done in Brazil hence the BRAZILIAN bit. Next Jujitsu; they called even judo jujitsu back then both in and outside japan.Got your answer? Plagiarism? mmmm you can level that charge at Kano for plagiarizing traditional jujitsu shit.But he mainly changed the the training approach and philosophy which the gracies did to his stuff.

[deniselucena]

Talking about BJJ is just to emphasize that we are talking about ground grappling and not about traditional JJ. Why it is then called Brazilian JJ and not Judo? Well, Gracies taught JJ for self defence. They also taught weapon and punching techniques. Therefor JJ and not Judo. They call it Gracie JJ. Machado family teaches Machado JJ. In Brazil they don't call it BJJ, they call it JJ. BJJ is used by foreigners to understand that it is not traditional JJ.

[paulomhenriques1]

Watching this video, I could do a blow in an adversary more weighed and more graduated than me. Thank you Mr Yukiore.

[bassgbr]

nice play yukiore

[hooverbaglegs]

What a superb vid - love the old school super tech stuff..now then what's bjj again?

[MindOverMatterBjj420]

The origins of the X-guard at 00:46. hehe

[paulomhenriques1]

Judô!

[MMA4You]

Love the end picture.

[kouimia]

Thank you for having participated in the development of the judo, with this nice video of no waza

[ippon3245]

nice end.

[ELEJOTAJE]

At 0:50 ,could he be Hidehiko Yoshida?? Awesome vid....Two thumbs up!!! Greetings from Argentina!!

[khaledonia]

kyosu!

[dmurphy64]

All I can say is WOW! Love it, Thanks.

[CityNinja69]

Yeah oldschool supercool...

[senseigiulio]

Bellissimo!!!

[xxluvmaxterxx]

awesome video

[slovelove7]

great work... keep on judo ne-waza!!

thanks.

[DylanDort]

Nice vid. man!

[bruteforcestheanswer]

Great video... Thanks!