OSL Ro16 D3 Flash vs Jaedong 1 Jul 09 ROTK

[marziouno]

how can u counter that kind of mutas micro?! withouth science vessel or walkiries maybe i can't see any way...

[Locbui1989]

@marziouno quite easy, when you see someone with this level of micro, simple press enter and type in the letter g following with another g like so gg

[marziouno]

@Locbui1989

lol... that's my usual strategy! :D

[SovietSR71]

the Dong is definitely the greatest zerg ever

[vixaroth]

I kind of disagree with Klazart. Jaedong did have a decent reign.

[tswubben]

Klazart is too cool for school!

[mavrick790]

Jaedong can beat anyone as long as he gets his mutas.

[RealmEternal]

I love Jaedong's 2 hatch muta play

[Draffut2003]

Yay, Brokalisks

[RockStarSCV]

"Kudos to you Klazart for keeping it clean, and mostly about starcraft.

Your occasional opinions are fine too, they don't distract too much from the game."

I'll second that. Thank you for no political rants about not having a job or people killing deer ( moletrap)

[RockStarSCV]

????

"Right now jaedong, yrnc, savior are kind of all there is"

July and Zero? Hello? Zero just owned Bisu with queens, QUEEENS!!!!. Zero is my new SC Hero.

[kakao777]

fec k dude spoil the game we all where supose to wa<trch before looking at comments.. but dont spoil the upcomming games on the commentators account u jaclass

[DreamWindX]

I am really tired of Flash losing like this. He has the skills but he always does bad builds.

As for Jaedong, he is approaching best zerg of all time status. If he wins 1-2 more titles I think he surpasses July and Savior no joke.

[lmaginations]

july isnt as good as jaedong, maybe he will beat jd at eating hamburgers or something :P

[cdavistwo]

let me revise the previous statement, I mean he's at the top zergs still because there isn't much competition. Luxury, Jaedong, yrnc, and zero(?) are all better

[BasilAbdef]

Savior? You must be joking. Savior is nowhere near the top; he hasn't been for more than a year, and he probably won't ever be again. He's mediocre at best now, and even that is probably giving him too much credit.

[cdavistwo]

He's still among, at least, the top zerg. Right now jaedong, yrnc, savior are kind of all there is

[CoralMan24]

great commentary Klaz

[Wlah85]

I tried to listen to another SC commentator and all he could do was shoutouts and speaking crap about some other youtube user for at least the first 2 minutes.

Kudos to you Klazart for keeping it clean, and mostly about starcraft.

Your occasional opinions are fine too, they don't distract too much from the game.

[dhasenan]

You were just unlucky with Rise. He's usually a lot better with being on topic. I'd give him another try.

Personally, I listen to Cholera and Diggity as well.

[JetSirus]

Love all your work KlazartSC! Keep it up!

[mullinmm]

lol 7 thumbs downs on this comment, even though it's totally true...

News flash everyone, sAviOr doesn't win games anymore.

[7DarkTemplar7]

hw wina them still but not with his ungodly percentage anymore. i have over 20 games from this year that he's won saved on my hard drive.

[mclaarson]

huge victory from the greatest strategist here

[RaiKageRyu]

I swear half of the time that Flash loses is due to a Fast Expand.

The FE gods do not favor him.

[Robotman42]

Oh Flash.....

[HwarangOfFaith]

O_o am i the only one who noticed that JD was producing out of 3 hatches?

[HwarangOfFaith]

at 6:20 is the third hatch

[redeye117]

Good Work from Jaedong..

When he saw the Bunker Rush he totally manage to quickly assess the situation.. When the bunker rush was being done.. he switch from picking off the marine to the SCVs.

However it was Jaedong Muta micro that seal the deal...

[vanillacrem3]

Jaedong isn't just the best Zerg player right now. Statistically he's the best player of any race right now, and historically only Bisu has exceeded his current ELO.

[trinikid2k2]

Jaedong is number one ranked in the KESPA rankings, and Bisu is a distant second with a couple hundred points less

[vanillacrem3]

The KESPA rankings

[vanillacrem3]

The KESPA rankings are an arbitrarily assinged point system based on what KESPA officials think tournament placing is worth. ELO is based on actual win/loss statistics.

[bunnycannon]

the best zerg player right NOW is effort. period. hes 25-3 thats just crazy

[dice84]

Umm.. Are you mad? Jaedong is the best Zerg. 69.45% winrate at 347 televised games. He has long win streaks more frequent than any player in history. Okay, maybe JD has 1 more loss at his current 25-4 but do you honestly think Effort is better just because JD has "1" more loss? Not to mention, alot of ppl would agree JD is the superior favorite against Effort in a BoX.

[Noarcs]

Flash has to pray that Yarnc loses to both Effort and Jaedong. Then he will have to beat Effort for a three way tie.

[Mywhiteslave]

Jaedong = best zerg player ever

[VacuousTerminus]

FLash

... what are you doing??? Just beat it!

[rillel89]

Mutalisks seemed so overpowered in this game.

They took heavy fire from turrets, goliats and marines and still survived.

[gardanime]

Really awesome micro.

[YondaimeH0kage]

That's because Jaedong was reinforcing the entire time

[Mpower277]

Huh? He lost at least 10 mutas

[HarryPotter738]

I wish the US covered games like this.

They only use this kinda stuff for sports and shit

[randombutler]

Great game and great commentary! Jaedong was dealing some really precise, deadly blows in this match. He didn't exactly make it look easy, but he pretty much made a bee-line for the win after that initial defense with the drones.

[Kil6969]

mutalisks, most balanced unit ever

[orochimaruisugly]

Jaedong's like "gtfo goliaths"

[Xpeijz]

Great commentary mr. Klazart.

[ReganHuang]

Jaedong = Goliath hater.

[larzarus1234]

Ah Flash :(

The best Terran vs the best Zerg always an epic match but yet again Flash goes for fast expand.

They have been the best of their race for atleast a year ----...----

[HumanStrategy]

Jaedong rapes people.....in SC games^^

[Walmarteer]

Spoiler!

At the very end, the winner of the match wins.

[complangc]

i lold

[stormtroopera52]

another curb stomp, yo dawg whats goin on here looks like ur last ass kickin minus the valkyries, pull it around :(

[chipsfingers]

Flash is one of my favorite players. definetly my favorite terran playing today(leaving out boxer and oov) but what is he doing lately? why always with the fast expands? i know its kinda his thing but if he just plays a little more safely and just play his standard builds his winrate would be up in the 70% area.

[Rakanishu2]

Turret placement was poor. The three by his natural were good, but the ones on the right of his barracks should have been around the ramp, not out by the cliff. They were placed to prevent a drop, not to protect him from a mutalisk rush.

Goliaths are not cost efficient at that point in the game, against anything the zerg has, I don't know why its trendy now to get them.

100 mins 50 gas, repairs slower than turrets, requires armory, requires charon. They stink against zerglings too. FLASH!!

[PhilippeMusique]

jaedong isnt just the best zerg, he's the best player of starcraft!!!!!

watched this game 2 times, jaedong is a monster!

[IHSchwingo]

Oh boy, every time I see Flash fast expand whether it is 14 cc or one fac into cc or what not he looses. Will he ever learn? Yeah, Jaedong's Muta micro is amazing, but Flash's struggle against it was great, too. Imagine he had at least one more factory... As Klazart said: he shot himself in the foot.

[copkiller4cs]

jaedong's muta micro is so insane. he must be a haxor lol

[jtbovis]

Flash 0-2, I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself :O

[qbphoenix]

Have you seen Zero? He's definitely at least comparable, though obviously not as good.

[k4y0h]

Klazart how can any Zerg compare to Jaedong explain that to me please.

[CoralMan24]

great commentary Klaz

[rbrtchng]

holy cow. jaedong with the great muta micro.

[xXhelmsdeepXx]

good match

[chaidaro]

Simply wondering why Flash is so famous ?

[quietrune]

when Flash doesn't try to play like a sneak or cocky, he's an absolute macro machine, and his goliath micro is just as good as we saw Jaedong's muta micro. if you've seen that match b/w Flash and GoGo (i believe)...goliaths vs. carriers...Flash really showed his ability in that game. plus, his MM is gold.

[clizzaster]

Flash has won over 67% of his 276 pro games. That alone is enough to call him one of the best SC players ever.

[WhyMex69x]

Flash Flash Flash...........

[patcheschicken]

i am not disappointed with this clash of the titans, it was a great display of micro and game sense. flash's had a lot of potential considering the follow up after the tecnical rush was cancelled almost held and if it had held would have won him the game. they are both so spot on with starcraft on good days.

[LycanOfSparta]

damn, jaedong is a fucking monster. but imo, that dude klazart is still just a bit better.

[BrianJunglist]

is there any korean kid who cant draw really good?

[boxcuttersc]

Jaedong is IMBA

[projekt84]

jaedong came in at a time when the players are all absolutely amazing. savior even said when he was in his top prime he wouldn't stand up to the best players right now. the fact that jaedong has been as successful as he has been is miraculous in itself.

[MinM66]

much better audio then the last

[redda2]

Nice.

But isnt it obvious Jaedong is better than sAviOr now?? Like for the last 2 years.

[drdictatorr]

Wow great game of starcraft, Thanks for the commentary Klaz, you absolutely rock!!!

[axlemn]

Why didn't Flash repair his first 3 goliaths at all? 2 SCVs and another medic might have won him the game?

[abramsantana]

didn't klaz say jaedong is the best zerg playing now?

[crazeh]

yeah and the way he said that insinuated that it's actually debatable whether he is or not, and also implying that savior is in competition for that spot and is the second best zerg which he clearly isn't.

[silvion]

he said no such thing. He compared Savior's period of Dominance with Jaedong's. He is basically saying that Savior's was more dominating because Jaedong's status fluctuates

[crazeh]

yeah that was at the start of the video, he then started talking about the best zerg right now

[silvion]

you are out of context.

[crazeh]

"jaedong arguably the best zerg right now"

where am I out of context?

anyway shut up, i don't care really.

[PokerTrikz]

I dont think anyone still believes that Savior could even shine Jaedong's shoes; let alone possible be better than him still. Jaedong is and has been the best Zerg (best player?) for at least 12-18 months.

[Louis43thebeastmast]

SaViOr can/is shining i mean hes not like he was before but hes sil nothing to laught at like hyuk/justin/firefist and more ....NOTE: im a SaViOr fan

[bogwaga107]

Once Jaedong dominates like Savior did you can call him better, but the fact is that he has not consistantly been the best like Savior was in his prime.

[lowfatfishsticks]

im really offended. but w/e

[ddstar]

Klazart. if you stopped commenting I would hang myself on a nooooose.

[connorbfitz]

Awesome game! Thanks for the commentary Klazart!

[neobowman]

Spoiler

This game disappointed me so damm much. I was expecting so much more.

[peteheery]

Great commentating Klazart. I thought Jaedong's micro was amazing. I don't know how he managed to inflict so much damage with those mutas against all that defense.

[lowfatfishsticks]

Im a huge savior fan, but its pretty obvious jaedong is much better right now. even effort is probably better than savior.

[donrane]

My man..good job

[92ResistaNce]

SPOILERRRRR

flash had a chance and ruined it...sigh.

gg

[coolnoobb]

this is what i think when flash wins he rapes you...when he losses he get owned by a build

[shortpitched713]

SPOILER

For an S class player, it sure seems like Flash loses a lot of big games against other big name S class opponents. And it seems to me that he loses it a lot of the time attempting retarded stuff.

Regardless, I don't think its something he can't overcome with time and some maturity but it definitely is a worrying sign for Flash fans who would want to see him returning as the dominant player in the proleagues.

[Sabu113]

I think it's the tendency lately to do completely ridiculous things that comes back to bite him. I feel like Flash should be rated as a better player than fantasy. I Don't really see it ;_:

He was too light and I think most zergs could have caused problems but the fact it was jaedong made it inevitable.

[iXanderz]

I used to think that Flash > Fantasy, but after these recent games I'm questioning Flash's in game judgment.

In a standard game I think he could beat Fantasy any day, but he keeps on doing these builds that make zero sense D:.

[Spasticinformation]

Seriously, Flash's builds of late have been a little bit of everything and a whole lot of nothing. On the other hand Fantasy has been impressing me, especially his game v Jangbi.

[iXanderz]

I agree. He should go back to conventional builds since he does them so well.

[piggletakadan]

well ya win some you loose some aye..Thanks for the commentary Klazart

[jonlance11]

wow that was a terrible match for flash wtf was he thinking?

[5needles5]

[SPOilER}

flash disappointed me once again..

It seemed to me that he wanned to pull his confidence back... but damn with the same build???!!?!?!

[adiyo011]

*Spoiler*

Ugh.

Flash, why do you have to be so greedy? He tends to win when he plays more conservatively.

[restocker2]

Hmmm Jaedong actually was really owning it a few seasons ago, especially in the winners league, he was unstoppable...and even a bit before that I would say he was really winning a lot...

[shaoyuhui]

disapointin

[naranja18she]

wow more of zerg domination.... sigh... Jaedong is just 2 good of a player

[bloodyDziq]

I'm a Savior fan boy, but I agree, JD is now better then Savior

gg, thx 4 commentary :)

[mullinmm]

There's nothing to argue about....Savior isn't anywhere near among the best zergs anymore. I'm a huge fan as well but to really mention him as a contender for anything anymore is pretty silly. Love the commentaries, Klaz, but you bring up savior every game as though he's still one of the better zergs, one which these other players are still striving to catch up to, which just isn't true...Li Jaedong is awesome though, more of his games please!

[Lyleiscool]

Thanks for the commentaries Klazart, I really appreciate you taking your time to do this for us for free. :)

[nsw2200]

Thanks very much.

[tinsleyjamaal]

Jaedong's mutas are just too strong

did KTF change their name to just KT or something? i've been noticing it a lot

[Ardunafeth]

Why? Why?

Flash always makes me cry. I want him to win so badly but he then he always does something stupid while he is perfectly capable of beating Jaedong in a regular game.

He had to expect muta's, why go for the cc yet again. imo he shouldn't have even built the factory.

After that failed attack, he should have just went for an engi and academy first, put up turrets and play a standard M&M game.

It would have been even better if he'd started with a normal build and go mech from the start.

[elroi92]

the CC was just an attempt to claw his way back in an already lost game.

[Milito2000]

Ok, maybe it was only me but Jaedong seemed a little sloppy with his muta. He won and all but he walked in 2 or 3 times and didn't get a shot off because he misclicked, check again if you don't believe me before you start flaming.

[TheJudge1082]

do you really think that Fantasy is better than Jaedong right now? Wow, Klaz... what are you thinking? Jaedong is dominating everygame I've seen and he's doing well in almost all the tournaments he's in.

[KlazartSC]

I said that it could be argued that Fantasy is a better Terran than FLASH.. since i was talking about Flash and Jaedong being the top representatives of their respective races.

[gyublank]

roflmao at the headshot comment klazart.

[SleeperLv]

Great game! Jaedong once again proves that he plays like all other great zergs, same builds, same concepts, except he does it brilliantly!:)

[lolimontheinternet]

You can't even make an argument for Savior being the top Zerg player over Jaedong.

I know you're a huge fan, but I think that Savior's dominating days are over.

[gyublank]

yeah. even savior fanboys will even admit that savior has gone down...

jaedong, effort, and calm are the top now. But jaedong is still on another level above those two.

[UpTballA]

calm? lol Mensol[Zero] is going to the top

maybe by.hero can make a comeback but fuck calm

since he lost tossgirl his life is over

[killanator21]

its like saying oov is still the dominant terran in my opinion...

[senekis93]

An interesting thing that I've found out is that Jaedong rarely says gg after his rival types it.

The did it this time... Could it be that he somehow feels some respect towards Flash and see most of the other players as worthless worms that don't even deserve a "gg"?

[Dotaluzer]

he doesnt seem like an asshole I'm sure that he doesnt gg sometimes cuz he's fully concentrated on the game

[Myrkul1029]

he said gg a half second after flash left the game, watch the video..

[mangodealer]

the only thing is bad decision making because flash was blind other than that, I think in that game Flash's micro was better. However, jaedong had the upper hand and didn't need to try much anyways.

[transmorgraphier]

bettter micro?... he lost BOTH scvs to drones...

[mangodealer]

yeah but that's because he was trying to protect his marines.

[transmorgraphier]

... and in doing so he lost both his scvs.... know what that means?... he failed aka his micro was worse... cuz without the scvs the rines are useless... hence why Jaedong went back to mining afterward...

[thatguy431]

damn man. i always want to see flash beat jaedong, but it never happens. :(

[NETMR2]

Good game

[heyyou7000]

chipmunk are gay

[Walmarteer]

:Spoiler:

At the very end, the winner wins the match.

[Chzrm3]

DAMN!!!

[helgi111]

spoil.

damn Flash got dominated... i think jaedong is the strongest starcraft player today

[senekis93]

I second your opinion.

[velociper]

Same misstake as against yarnac, man build a couple of turrets...

[Tillysouth]

Give Yarnac more credit plz he is a very good zvt player btw.

Jaedong is just so good. His mutas looked like they have infinite hp. I hate it when Flash tries to play cheesy in so called big matches.

[senekis93]

Even being Flash I don't think he has any chance against Jaedong if the both of them play a standard game. I fanct, I think that the only player that can actually give a fight to Jaedong (and defeat him) playing standard is Bisu.

[Alexsteen]

Yes, Yarnc's ZvT ELO peak is actually tied with Jaedong's Zvt ELO peak. THAT? Doesn't happen by accident! He's 15/20 in his last ZvT games. He's pretty much anti-mech from the games he's shown. I think the only better ZvTers than him at this moment are Jaedong and Effort.

[livingkoan242]

Savior hasn't been contesting for best Zerg in a LONG time... Also I believe Leta > Fantasy.

[sobeenergy]

True about sAviOr, but I must disagree with your opinion of the better terran, respectfully.

Leta's out of the MSL, but Fantasy is alive in both StarLeagues. Fantasy also has made 2 straight OSL Finals, while Leta's only individual league accomplishment was taking 2 of the first 3 games vs Luxury during the last MSL... only to get stomped in games 4 and 5.

[stuslegend]

flash sticking with this goliath+medic marine thing.... i think he'd be better off going 2 fact to hold off those mutas

[Alexsteen]

no terran, past or present, executes the bio build as flawlessly as flash does, so I really don't know what he's doing here. On the other hand, it didn't take one day for him to perfect the timing of his anti-carrier build. I think if he perfects the timing of this build, then it's going to be very dangerous and potent. Especially against 3 hatch.

[manudead454]

i saw this live on livestream. and i saw violetak there xD

[lordhenry4000]

GG.

Very convincing victory by the winner.

[grabster22]

wow, jaedong just totally dominated. What a perfect win

[henryqin555]

100th view

[mikelorus2]

Welcome to Klazart, that's just how he rolls.

[projectelff]

btw why the nicknames for koreans? they never use it anyways

[iXanderz]

Jaedong and Flash are screennames.