ive got bad news for formula 1 fans. "At a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in December it was announced F1 would switch from the current 2.4 litre V8s to 1.6 litre, four cylinder turbo units to make the sport more environmentally friendly."
@danthemanpatrick because the steering wheel on those cars has more electronics than most people could handle. It controls many of the functions of the car since there is no dash to put all the toggles and buttons.
i belive turbo is for pussies! real drivers drive aspirated engines because they provide pure power and you have to know exactly when you should change gear while turbo engines are so much easier to drive because they deliver more torque and power from low rpm to high rpm and in a sport like F1 i belive is a big advantage for the drivers, but not for the show!
@nuseek Engines take in air. Therefore all engines are aspirated. So yes all drivers, real or not, drive aspirated engines. Sorry, I couldn't resist my inner grammar/vocabulary Nazi :P
@nuseek uh huh...and tell me again what turbo car you have ever been behind the wheel? turbo's provide a much more extensive challenge, mainly because you could have the gas pedal pegged out, balls to the bricks...and gain a thousand RPMS every half second, then the turbo spools and you gain five thousand every half second. turbos have no low RPM output because they rely on the flow of exaust gasses to provide their mechanical action...meaning more RPMS, more output of gas, more spool on turbo
@nicholirage i gues it would depend on the type of turbo , or twin turbo. or bi turbo .
you are correct most of the time . as small capacity engines will make less exhaust gasses usually .
but some company's like porsche have their turbo's spool up at 3500 and plateau power all the way to about 500 shy of red line . but they know there beans . and they are not most cars .
@unpayable fuck this no more limits of the FIA they fucked up the f1 every year they make cars slower and slower!Whats next only electric engine?Fucking retards! Bring the good old time back with no restrictions FORMEL 1 is the KingClass so let them build with no restrictions!
@gnark1ll1us FIA said it's gonna be 2013. But.. with all the modifications made to the traditional circuits and this new circuits being THIS horrible in overtaking and using of space... It'll not be the same.
Of course, no driver today match the "yesterdays-drivers" but hey... at least is a step foward in entertaining.
@Taikamya I would be glad to see them back for a few reasons. Boost will hopefully overcome the difficulty drivers have following close behind, this was partly solved by reducing rear, and increasing front wing size ( a decision I think has created, if nothing else some of the most beautiful F1 cars of all time).
I also support it because I am of the school of thought that F1 should be an UNLIMITED series. Which is why I love the turbo era, with all those bizarre experiments in speed going on
das was in 8:20-9:10 gesagt wird ist Total wichtig.
die haben damals die weiter entwicklung total gebremst.
heute wo die motoren effizienter werden müssen greifen wieder alle hersteller zu Turbo Motoren. hätte die F1 damals weiter forschen dürfen hätten wir heute viel Bessere und Effizientere Motoren in den Serien autos.
@DevouringKing ich weiss nicht was du mit effizienz meinst aber turbo motoren saufen sprit ohne ende der einzige vorteil ist das man kleinere motren einsetzen kann und im schnitt ein leichteres kompakteres auto bauen kann .... aber effizienz erreicht man durch sachen wie chip tuning direkt einspritzung und digitale motor steuerung ... der turbo wurde einfach eingesetzt weils ein einfach weg war enorme leistungssteigerung zu erreichen allerdings auf kosten und berherschbarkeit u.a.
but it's always the same with those huuuuuuuge turbos. they are not very reliable. that is why i hate all those tuning companies claiming they build all 1billion hp car awesome awesome awesome but actually it's just crap and a show car and not fast on a track at all
personally i hate this era...and i hate turbo. There were differences of 150-200 hp between the best engines and all the others; a very boring decade, with always the same same winners....mc Laren or Williams. My point of view though! Cheers
the problem with that is that more it will make one team win all the time because they figured out how to make a car better then the rest. the reason they are regulating it so much is to make it more competitive for teams that may not have as much money as others which was shown this year!
It was really the best time of formula one, real men with cars without any driving aid. Unfortuanally, I´m born in 1993, so I never had the chance to see these cars live on the racetracks. Super video.
@specko0623 well mate, I used to watch those old F1 races.... It was completely different than it is now. Sure, there are some great drivers - Lewis Hamilton stands out, but he would be mincemeat next to the boys in the 80s
I remember a statement from Paul Rosche (chief engineer of the BMW F1 turbo). He mentioned that they could only estimate the power of the engine, because the test bench was limited to 1400 bhp!
True! For some fun reading check out the BMW M12/13 turbo they used in F1 through the mid to late 80's.....
That engine, properly tuned, was able to stably output 1300hp, boosted to an astounding 80psi...the M12 turbo still holds the record as the most powerful engine ever used in F1
yes indeed,was browsing some more video's of this and Rene Arnoux said that 1400hp was possible.But they speak about only 1.5l engines,not 2.5l,and as i remember i was only 1.5 wich is amazing.I remember watching qualifying live,i think it was at Hockenheim where they said Piquet had some pressure up and was on a flying lap with 1000hp!Dangereous indeed.:-)
my favorite era in f1,correct me if i'm wrong,but had those first tubo renault cars a 1.5l engine?I think to remember so,and during qualifying these cars and the brabham bmw's and mclaren porsche's had more then 1000bhp?
i was born in the wrong decade..i wish i was involved in F1 then and not now...all the bloody health and safety BS. That guy riding his bike behind the car remids me of my self...getting told off by the clark of the course at Snetterton for using my bike to do a track walk..lol
Niki Lauda said during the GP in Kyalami 1985, because the cars reached speeds up to 350 km/h (220 mph) :'' If you have a break failure at the end of the straight, you don't need to worry about who's gonna make you breakfast tomorrow.''
It's a crying shame that the regressive agenda to cater to people who aren't real F1 fans has robbed us of the some of pioneering, elemental excitement of the '80s and early '90s.
F1 is so much more than simply drivers pitting their raw skill against one another. The machinery, the cutting edge technology, the politics, the implementation of supreme human intelligence are merely topped off by the racing. The world's best drivers earn the right to serve F1, and it's not the other way around.
I think I meant to say "... robbed us of some of the pioneering... blah... blah..." I probably should have said that it's now robbing us of most of it, though.
These coming years threaten to be low ones, as more and more of the genius and ground-breaking is constrained and possibly forced out of F1.
If the voices of people who don't understand F1 continue to succeed with their shrill demands for nose-to-tail racing, they will end up with F2 where F1 was, and real F1 fans will have nothing.
Honda. talking about turbo, it's all about engines, not cars. Lotus F1 team was a chassis builder. they used the 2 best engines in that time, which were renault & honda. but the japanese were better at the end.
How was it possible for a tiny 1500 cc engine with spring valves(10 or 12 K RPM maybe?)to produce way more power than say a pre 2005 3.0 L V-10 with pneumatic valves and 18 000+ RPM?
Engine power is derived from how much fuel you can burn in the right amount of air, and how often you can do it. SO you are right that a higher revving, larger capacity engine would normally make more power. Fuel is never a problem (you can always pump more in) but the limiting factor is air. With a NA engine, there's a limit to the air volume you can 'draw' in (especially at high revs) With the turbo, you can force much more air in so you can burn more fuel. Of course, there are downsides!
The small powerband isn't so much of an issue in racing, though, is it. The engine's low speed tractability is obviously not often called upon at circuit speeds.
1,5 litre engine also suffer significantly less from internal friction, compared to a 3,0 litre - not to mention the increased inertia of the 3,0 litre.
But yeah, what you describe here is called Volumetric Efficiency..
The big difference is the fuel that they used was a high powered tolulene based cocktail for fuel and humongous boost (over 50psi). That's how they got the big numbers.
50 psi? lol thats nothing compared to BRM's V16 of the late 40's early 50's. That thing ran about 86psi, giving ~600 bhp from a 1.5litre engine at ~12,000 rpm. In 1949. Sounds amazing too, like a modern F1 car meets top fuel dragster
no it was a centrifugal-type supercharger. I dont even know if turbos were used in cars back then (the P-47 fighter plane had one but wasnt that good)
Wunderschöner Rennwagen,der Renault von 1979. Toller Bericht!Diese ganze Leistungsbegrenzung und Warmduscherei macht die ganze Formel 1 kaputt.Das Reglement für 2009 geht auch wieder in diese Richtung.
Id say the only way F1 will bring back turbos is with the Soon to be mandatory "Cosworth" engine they plan to introduce across the board. Apparently all teams are soon to use the one make Cosworth engine. As like Indy cars. Such a shame if they go this way as its F1! The pinicle of motor sport! I say give em all the freedom they want but cut the amount of tyres they can have. You can only go as fast as your tyres.
The fw16 had close to 1000hp. Senna set a lap record at 121.5 sec. It was plenty powerful. Senna is my hero. And if 1 of 15 things hadn't happened, he would have been alive. It was one of those things when all 15 things came together at the right time to create something horrible for Senna.
Senna onboard video of Senna in Monaco is from 86, not 87. In 87 Lotus had the all yellow Camel Lotus-Honda 99T. No John Player Special sponsoring anymore.
No! It's from 85. In 86 there have been added a second chicane just after tunnel (as it's today). 1985 was the last year of single chicane - it's not shown on the this video, but the full video of this Senna's lap in Monaco can be found on youtube.
tolles video! vor allem gefällt mir die szene bei 08:15 als der fahrer von dem anderen wagen zur box mitgenommen wird, toll sowas zu sehen. der sound der 1500 ps motors ist auch gewaltig. schön anzusehen auch die duelle auf der strecke.
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Fuck F1. Boring shit. It was interesting in the 80s, even early 90s. But after they all got paranoid it became an irrational show. Sad for all teh good Motorsport beeing strangled by F1-parasite! RIP GroupB, RIP DTM, RIP GroupC ...
jungs ihr kommentiert hier wild in englisch rum... versteht ihr eigentlich alle was der reporter so sagt:P
abgesehn davon... ich will auch formel 1 rennen mit 1500ps sehn wo die autos en paar mal anecken mit nem andern fahrzeug aushalten. dann käm nochmal spannung in die sache.
They did it because the increasing number of accidents on the turbo F1 era... Do you want your favorite driver to die? Ground Effects == you are coerced into going FASTER so the car sticks to the ground; turbo == you go insanely fast (the fastest speeds in the story of F1)... Ground Effect+Turbo=DEATH.
i'm guessing, that like today's F1's, they compensated for the restrictions with clever engineering? for example, the year they introduced the grooved tyres, some cars were up to four seconds faster around the same circuits than the previous years cars with full slicks.
look up the stats before you go calling people idiot. they were intended to slow them down but with the extra engineering and aero the front running cars esp. ferrari were actually quicker than the previous years cars.
I think terga1 doesn't know how to comprehend what he reads. He had no clue of what you were talking about. Maybe "compensated" isn't in his vocabulary
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TheBlender3dJedi 6 months ago
that engine dyno is awsome!
boostcontrol981 6 months ago
ive got bad news for formula 1 fans. "At a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in December it was announced F1 would switch from the current 2.4 litre V8s to 1.6 litre, four cylinder turbo units to make the sport more environmentally friendly."
87Turkish 7 months ago
The F1 cars are effing ugly back in those days...
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XXXGhostriderXX 7 months ago
Great video!!! It's a shame I don't speak German...
slacktiago 8 months ago
DANKE SCH'o'N!!!!!
MrRamto13 9 months ago
what was the top speed of these cars in monza/hockenheim?
kurwajegopierdolona 9 months ago
Formula 1 will go back to this era. From 2013 on the cars will have 1,6l-4cyl.-turbo engines.
TheColinChapman 9 months ago
what's the need for a steering wheel on an engine dyno?
danthemanpatrick 9 months ago 2
@danthemanpatrick because the steering wheel on those cars has more electronics than most people could handle. It controls many of the functions of the car since there is no dash to put all the toggles and buttons.
gnish42 8 months ago
they shouldn't be allowed to call the modern championship "formula 1", because it bears little resemblance to the golden era of motor sport.
CrawleyAdrian 9 months ago
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violsceshcids 9 months ago
i belive turbo is for pussies! real drivers drive aspirated engines because they provide pure power and you have to know exactly when you should change gear while turbo engines are so much easier to drive because they deliver more torque and power from low rpm to high rpm and in a sport like F1 i belive is a big advantage for the drivers, but not for the show!
nuseek 10 months ago
@nuseek sounds like you never drived a car with turbo ;)
its exactly the other way round ;)
werhasstwen 9 months ago
@nuseek Engines take in air. Therefore all engines are aspirated. So yes all drivers, real or not, drive aspirated engines. Sorry, I couldn't resist my inner grammar/vocabulary Nazi :P
soccerisdabomb18 9 months ago
@nuseek uh huh...and tell me again what turbo car you have ever been behind the wheel? turbo's provide a much more extensive challenge, mainly because you could have the gas pedal pegged out, balls to the bricks...and gain a thousand RPMS every half second, then the turbo spools and you gain five thousand every half second. turbos have no low RPM output because they rely on the flow of exaust gasses to provide their mechanical action...meaning more RPMS, more output of gas, more spool on turbo
nicholirage 9 months ago
@nicholirage i gues it would depend on the type of turbo , or twin turbo. or bi turbo .
you are correct most of the time . as small capacity engines will make less exhaust gasses usually .
but some company's like porsche have their turbo's spool up at 3500 and plateau power all the way to about 500 shy of red line . but they know there beans . and they are not most cars .
mushrume 5 months ago
Best Engine Of This Time, BMW 1.5 4cylindre 1400HP TOP
ShaboZZ88 11 months ago
@ShaboZZ88 not the best since no chassis could handle this power
mouloudo 10 months ago
it still amazes me when people think a lancia s4 could keep up with one of these utter beasts of a car
markandrach 11 months ago
It was an Ok period in F-1, all the car's were 1500 V6's, alot of them had boost pressures of 50 lbs on qualifying,
time bomb's,
engine's would heat up and blow , not last that long,
Now,,, all it is is overpaid underexperienced young driver's looking at flash and glitz and nothing else,
kirkconway 1 year ago
@kirkconway
Not all of them used a V6 cylinder layout; BMW used an inline-4. Boost was also closer to 80psi in qualifying.
65ShelbyClone 1 year ago
You forgot to put Nigel Mansell in your list.....!!!!!
plasenciapedro 1 year ago
Imagine the engines of then (lightweight 1,5l turbo with far over 1000hp)
in an actual (aerodynamics) car...
SH1974 1 year ago
where can i see the whole video?
Lyricoholic 1 year ago
name of music, please!!!!
nismofromrus 1 year ago
Turbos will come back 2013 with about 1.6L machines with prox. 700 bhp
unpayable 1 year ago 5
@unpayable fuck this no more limits of the FIA they fucked up the f1 every year they make cars slower and slower!Whats next only electric engine?Fucking retards! Bring the good old time back with no restrictions FORMEL 1 is the KingClass so let them build with no restrictions!
logitechEX100 1 year ago 2
@unpayable really?
pimpedvw 1 year ago
@pimpedvw YES
unpayable 1 year ago
does anyone have any amateur footage with turbo f1 cars?
I am dieing to just hear those beautiful turbo engine, I love it so much!!!
please message me if you've seen any!!
thanks
tony2kownz 1 year ago
i could start crying that i wasn´t even born in that amazing era..
machusi1989 1 year ago
i suppose they used kers for a bit which was like a short term turbo.
I wanna see bhp go over 1000 again :D
dubmywub 1 year ago
Turbos will be back when they lift the ban on engine development.
2012 or 2013 i think.
gnark1ll1us 1 year ago
@gnark1ll1us FIA said it's gonna be 2013. But.. with all the modifications made to the traditional circuits and this new circuits being THIS horrible in overtaking and using of space... It'll not be the same.
Of course, no driver today match the "yesterdays-drivers" but hey... at least is a step foward in entertaining.
Taikamya 1 year ago
@Taikamya I would be glad to see them back for a few reasons. Boost will hopefully overcome the difficulty drivers have following close behind, this was partly solved by reducing rear, and increasing front wing size ( a decision I think has created, if nothing else some of the most beautiful F1 cars of all time).
I also support it because I am of the school of thought that F1 should be an UNLIMITED series. Which is why I love the turbo era, with all those bizarre experiments in speed going on
gnark1ll1us 1 year ago
haha it sounds like using a turbo is like selling your sole to the devil^^ the forbidden frute of HP excess^^
headshooter44 1 year ago
turbo's will be back
misterBlechle 1 year ago
turbo's will be back for 2013
Sprinterdrift 1 year ago 4
@Sprinterdrift and where did you get such information?
eaozed 1 year ago
@eaozed couldn't paste the links, so just go to google and type '2013 f1 turbo' into google and look at the planetf1, pitpass, and f1fanatic links.
Sprinterdrift 1 year ago
@eaozed
1.6 litre, turbo charged V4's are on the plate for the next Concorde Agreement.
PulletSurprise 1 year ago
krass, ich habe schon oft davon gehört
aber bilder habe ich keine bisher gesehen
die "übertriebenen" 80er des Motorsport (=
das mit dem "todereglementieren" kommt mir etwas bekannt vor, ist ja in der der gruppe b auch nix anderes gewesen (okay, da gabs ja auch einige tote)
Lyricoholic 1 year ago
would be nice in english
spirirtbuu 1 year ago
Gilles car @3:00 is not turbo, flat 12 I believe.
blowersho 1 year ago
1500 HP are amazing :D
today Formula One Cars would go over 400 km/h
Incredimail 1 year ago
@Incredimail
Actually, today's F1 cars wouldn't. Too much drag
sanarkhos 1 year ago
@sanarkhos why that?
if F1 cars would have so much drag, tires and gearshifts would be built for that^^
Incredimail 1 year ago
@Incredimail
The turbo-era F1 cars had more HP and less downforce. Gears and tires are besides the point, given you were talking about top speed.
sanarkhos 1 year ago
@sanarkhos i ment, if nowerdays cars would have so much power they would be built for that und would go so fast
Incredimail 1 year ago
old school hip hop and turbo f1 cars go hand and hand = there will never be nothing like it.
DRUMMERNIGGA 1 year ago
R I P - Formula 1
freddydasmesser 1 year ago 3
renault hit the jackpot with there 1500cc engine it was a rally engine they turbocharged it an away they went..great racing days F1 is boring now
bmwnasher 1 year ago
Those were the days..i'm missing so badly turbo f1 and B group from back then..
flaming exhausts, whistling turbos..
Rest in peace legends.
driverS13 1 year ago
Best times for formula 1 like Group B for rally - thanks FISA for destroying dreams
Kurzb3 1 year ago 9
I loved those years in F1!
tscooter22 1 year ago
1500HP 1.5 liter engines...
The honda guys must be like, if they can do it, i can do it! ROFL
psychotikpaisano 1 year ago
@psychotikpaisano hahahaha
WZW1982 1 year ago
love turbo :)
darkalligator 1 year ago
das was in 8:20-9:10 gesagt wird ist Total wichtig.
die haben damals die weiter entwicklung total gebremst.
heute wo die motoren effizienter werden müssen greifen wieder alle hersteller zu Turbo Motoren. hätte die F1 damals weiter forschen dürfen hätten wir heute viel Bessere und Effizientere Motoren in den Serien autos.
Dumm gelaufen Menschheit.
DevouringKing 1 year ago 12
Daran ahb ich Ende des Films auch gedacht ;) Nice Beitrag, übrigens wer rfactor fährt, es gibt ein 1985ger Mod, 1A sag ich nur :)
elitess88 1 year ago
@DevouringKing ich weiss nicht was du mit effizienz meinst aber turbo motoren saufen sprit ohne ende der einzige vorteil ist das man kleinere motren einsetzen kann und im schnitt ein leichteres kompakteres auto bauen kann .... aber effizienz erreicht man durch sachen wie chip tuning direkt einspritzung und digitale motor steuerung ... der turbo wurde einfach eingesetzt weils ein einfach weg war enorme leistungssteigerung zu erreichen allerdings auf kosten und berherschbarkeit u.a.
solunasunrise 1 week ago
Did Someone knows where i can see the whole video?
Sinmale1 1 year ago
1500hp! sounds great.
but it's always the same with those huuuuuuuge turbos. they are not very reliable. that is why i hate all those tuning companies claiming they build all 1billion hp car awesome awesome awesome but actually it's just crap and a show car and not fast on a track at all
resomer 1 year ago
personally i hate this era...and i hate turbo. There were differences of 150-200 hp between the best engines and all the others; a very boring decade, with always the same same winners....mc Laren or Williams. My point of view though! Cheers
SuedeSavage 1 year ago 2
about 1000 hp+
6smoky6 2 years ago
what is PS?
philateliceun 2 years ago
@philateliceun
it's german for HP (horsepower)
goodwilltubing 2 years ago
@philateliceun Pferdestärken is the german word
Semencic 1 year ago
PS is the German short form for Horse Power (PS = Pferdestärken)
Sinmale1 1 year ago
I don´t like F1 anymore, they should reopen it and shouldn´t make so many reglemants would be so cool. cars with over 100bhs would be great
m93sek 2 years ago
the problem with that is that more it will make one team win all the time because they figured out how to make a car better then the rest. the reason they are regulating it so much is to make it more competitive for teams that may not have as much money as others which was shown this year!
colchilibeck 2 years ago 2
@m93sek more competition between teams is better, its not just about who has the most money to throw away in testing
MediumPoo 2 years ago
Cool stuff. Can you purchase a turbo era DVD documents from anywhere? Amazon? Do you know any good clips?
hh8128 2 years ago
The car in 1:00 was is Burnout.
welowrider32 2 years ago
The best moment in F1 history..
Brian McGuire, Ronnie Peterson, Patrick Depailler, Gilles Villeneuve, Riccardo Paletti, Elio de Angelis. (in memorian)
Niki Lauda, Mario Andretti, Jody Scheckter, Alan Jones, Nelson Piquet, Keke Rosberg, Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna. (Champions)
leopalha80 2 years ago 30
U place Ayrton Senna last? Shame on you!
Ilovetypography 2 years ago
@leopalha80 totally agree
HarySeaword1 1 year ago
It was really the best time of formula one, real men with cars without any driving aid. Unfortuanally, I´m born in 1993, so I never had the chance to see these cars live on the racetracks. Super video.
specko0623 2 years ago 70
@specko0623 It cool man I was born in 85 and never seen these cars
fredboomboomlowes 1 year ago
@specko0623 well mate, I used to watch those old F1 races.... It was completely different than it is now. Sure, there are some great drivers - Lewis Hamilton stands out, but he would be mincemeat next to the boys in the 80s
yerty2000 10 months ago
@specko0623 Agree ! real petrol head from 1993 meets another petrol head from 1993 : )
Maslakoks 6 months ago
lovely!
superrdirk 2 years ago
Truelly legends and 1000+ hp is mind blowing.
3L3CTR0static 2 years ago 3
Fascinating era of F1 history!
I remember a statement from Paul Rosche (chief engineer of the BMW F1 turbo). He mentioned that they could only estimate the power of the engine, because the test bench was limited to 1400 bhp!
ManuelXZ5 2 years ago
True! For some fun reading check out the BMW M12/13 turbo they used in F1 through the mid to late 80's.....
That engine, properly tuned, was able to stably output 1300hp, boosted to an astounding 80psi...the M12 turbo still holds the record as the most powerful engine ever used in F1
ramv36 2 years ago
sehr gutes und interessantes video. gibt wenig vergleichbares auf deutsch... danke!
jmit79 2 years ago 4
yes indeed,was browsing some more video's of this and Rene Arnoux said that 1400hp was possible.But they speak about only 1.5l engines,not 2.5l,and as i remember i was only 1.5 wich is amazing.I remember watching qualifying live,i think it was at Hockenheim where they said Piquet had some pressure up and was on a flying lap with 1000hp!Dangereous indeed.:-)
seatleontsi1 2 years ago
my favorite era in f1,correct me if i'm wrong,but had those first tubo renault cars a 1.5l engine?I think to remember so,and during qualifying these cars and the brabham bmw's and mclaren porsche's had more then 1000bhp?
seatleontsi1 2 years ago
yes,just looked it up myself:-) only 1.5 litre engines.
seatleontsi1 2 years ago
the cars were able to press 1400hp out off a 2,5L engine.... but it was too much dangerous.... Pressure of the Turbos reaches 70PSI !
DiggaBua 2 years ago
The F1 cars today are too slow(only with much effort they reach 300kph). If the FIA wants to change something, they have to reintroduce turbos.
By the way: I've translated all the text which they are talking in the video into English, if someone's interested.
specko0623 2 years ago
Preferably reliable turbos.Back then they were brutally unreliable.
DALCOLDARA 2 years ago
I am!!!
babisbabou 2 years ago
i was born in the wrong decade..i wish i was involved in F1 then and not now...all the bloody health and safety BS. That guy riding his bike behind the car remids me of my self...getting told off by the clark of the course at Snetterton for using my bike to do a track walk..lol
navdrum001 2 years ago
geiles vid
richie90210 2 years ago 3
lol why do all people here think this is spanish or french?
BeyondOrwell 2 years ago
French?!?! Are you high. Deutch son, get with it. Even says german in the title!
AssGasketBill 2 years ago 3
Damn, this video is in german language. I'm from Germany and i should know how my mother tongue sounds like.
kapilandexperte 2 years ago 2
wtf you talking
it is german, I MUST know it because i came from germany (aka deutschland)
and also the title of this vid says that there´s a german comment ... !
JadeOfSun 2 years ago 4
its not spanish
its GERMAN
-___-"
JadeOfSun 2 years ago 5
0:58 beatyfull fucking car
Rik1pk 2 years ago
gogo downsizing the actual F1 - we want Turbos back. If they would allow 1 Overboost per Round the F1 wouldnt be so boring.
Kurzb3 2 years ago
Niki Lauda said during the GP in Kyalami 1985, because the cars reached speeds up to 350 km/h (220 mph) :'' If you have a break failure at the end of the straight, you don't need to worry about who's gonna make you breakfast tomorrow.''
kapilandexperte 2 years ago 5
Thank you very much for finding this video, by the way. It's much appreciated.
IShallTellYouWhat 2 years ago 5
It's a crying shame that the regressive agenda to cater to people who aren't real F1 fans has robbed us of the some of pioneering, elemental excitement of the '80s and early '90s.
F1 is so much more than simply drivers pitting their raw skill against one another. The machinery, the cutting edge technology, the politics, the implementation of supreme human intelligence are merely topped off by the racing. The world's best drivers earn the right to serve F1, and it's not the other way around.
IShallTellYouWhat 2 years ago
Well said! My feelings exactly!
paulwilliams77 2 years ago
I think I meant to say "... robbed us of some of the pioneering... blah... blah..." I probably should have said that it's now robbing us of most of it, though.
These coming years threaten to be low ones, as more and more of the genius and ground-breaking is constrained and possibly forced out of F1.
If the voices of people who don't understand F1 continue to succeed with their shrill demands for nose-to-tail racing, they will end up with F2 where F1 was, and real F1 fans will have nothing.
IShallTellYouWhat 2 years ago
hello, who made the best cars in the turbo era? lotus?
paduaowned 2 years ago
Williams-Honda
gamma8015 2 years ago
Honda. talking about turbo, it's all about engines, not cars. Lotus F1 team was a chassis builder. they used the 2 best engines in that time, which were renault & honda. but the japanese were better at the end.
maladsyko 2 years ago
Mclaren TAG
turboslag 2 years ago
1500 hp? That should be enough for Monaco. I have heard that these engines heated so much in qualifying trim that they melted after a couple of laps.
default1976 2 years ago 3
Yes, it is true...
In the qualifying the engine was heated (nearly 1500hp)... but after 2 laps, it melted.
nice, very nice!!!
I would like it come back!
ssbaldocchi 2 years ago
Turbo makes torque, torque makes fun!!!!!
This era must come back!!!
parcal1 2 years ago
Link to the full video or the serios name....on German
0158395312 2 years ago
How was it possible for a tiny 1500 cc engine with spring valves(10 or 12 K RPM maybe?)to produce way more power than say a pre 2005 3.0 L V-10 with pneumatic valves and 18 000+ RPM?
tuliofuentes 3 years ago
Engine power is derived from how much fuel you can burn in the right amount of air, and how often you can do it. SO you are right that a higher revving, larger capacity engine would normally make more power. Fuel is never a problem (you can always pump more in) but the limiting factor is air. With a NA engine, there's a limit to the air volume you can 'draw' in (especially at high revs) With the turbo, you can force much more air in so you can burn more fuel. Of course, there are downsides!
Doppelclick 3 years ago
I´m guessing the downside would be a narrow powerband and turbo lag?
tuliofuentes 2 years ago
The small powerband isn't so much of an issue in racing, though, is it. The engine's low speed tractability is obviously not often called upon at circuit speeds.
IShallTellYouWhat 2 years ago
1,5 litre engine also suffer significantly less from internal friction, compared to a 3,0 litre - not to mention the increased inertia of the 3,0 litre.
But yeah, what you describe here is called Volumetric Efficiency..
RacingFreak85 2 years ago
The big difference is the fuel that they used was a high powered tolulene based cocktail for fuel and humongous boost (over 50psi). That's how they got the big numbers.
earsneyes1 2 years ago
50psi + of boost + fuel
emtrixdk 2 years ago
50 psi? lol thats nothing compared to BRM's V16 of the late 40's early 50's. That thing ran about 86psi, giving ~600 bhp from a 1.5litre engine at ~12,000 rpm. In 1949. Sounds amazing too, like a modern F1 car meets top fuel dragster
lordieuan777 2 years ago
boost from a turbo?
emtrixdk 2 years ago
no it was a centrifugal-type supercharger. I dont even know if turbos were used in cars back then (the P-47 fighter plane had one but wasnt that good)
lordieuan777 2 years ago
PIQUET it's the man!
rodypivotto 3 years ago
Wunderschöner Rennwagen,der Renault von 1979. Toller Bericht!Diese ganze Leistungsbegrenzung und Warmduscherei macht die ganze Formel 1 kaputt.Das Reglement für 2009 geht auch wieder in diese Richtung.
Sensenbernd 3 years ago 3
what was the advantages of the turbo motors ?
spooky78 3 years ago
Better power to weight ratio. They had engines of 1500cc with over 1100BHP.
KumamotoBuddha 3 years ago
Senna? 1500PS? MONACO? Whoa.
mauownage 3 years ago 2
brutal machines.
toniiii9 3 years ago
Id say the only way F1 will bring back turbos is with the Soon to be mandatory "Cosworth" engine they plan to introduce across the board. Apparently all teams are soon to use the one make Cosworth engine. As like Indy cars. Such a shame if they go this way as its F1! The pinicle of motor sport! I say give em all the freedom they want but cut the amount of tyres they can have. You can only go as fast as your tyres.
fidgetass 3 years ago
i think today`s f1 car`s are safe to put turbo motor in it.
shaikhdishgan1 3 years ago
F1 bosses are looking to bring back turbo engines.
It would be great :D
lebidule 3 years ago 5
i hope they do i think it would be appropriate with their quest to go "green" seeing as turbos produce more power per unit of fuel used.
shazmeister2005 2 years ago
Awesome era! RIP Senna
veyronzondaf 3 years ago 3
Senna was killed by an evil atmo car, so much for the "safety" of having less power.
baldurTV 3 years ago
The fw16 had close to 1000hp. Senna set a lap record at 121.5 sec. It was plenty powerful. Senna is my hero. And if 1 of 15 things hadn't happened, he would have been alive. It was one of those things when all 15 things came together at the right time to create something horrible for Senna.
dalebshelton 3 years ago
settle down it had about 650hp
shazmeister2005 2 years ago
That turbo , is similar to garrett gt40
Mattycorse 3 years ago
its a sin not to translate this vid!!! someone please translate!!!
Tzefri84 3 years ago
why cant F1 be as cool as it used to be?
draggonhedd 3 years ago 3
the environment, tree huger's, safety, and the french that is why.
seroyer2 3 years ago 5
the French ?
and I thought all this racist crap was over... does it really have to pollute everything ? Jesus :/
balitaSR 3 years ago 2
Test driver my arse. Go eat your freedom fries. Dont insult the french!
doubts 3 years ago
the french LMAO WTF random
3star2nr 3 years ago
The FIA is what I am talking about.
seroyer2 3 years ago
Bernie is why!
wheyez 3 years ago
Great clips of the old F1 cars.
SirHappenyJim 3 years ago
Love the beautiful slow-mo part and music at the end... thank you :)
robolej 3 years ago
typical french...nothing works
NineThrough 3 years ago 7
Senna onboard video of Senna in Monaco is from 86, not 87. In 87 Lotus had the all yellow Camel Lotus-Honda 99T. No John Player Special sponsoring anymore.
Eric0816 3 years ago
No! It's from 85. In 86 there have been added a second chicane just after tunnel (as it's today). 1985 was the last year of single chicane - it's not shown on the this video, but the full video of this Senna's lap in Monaco can be found on youtube.
agulhas1 2 years ago
Germans are geniuses
jinkis4 3 years ago 6
germans?! renault is french...
GTLgamer 3 years ago
i bet turbo surge was insane back then...did they even have blowoff valves back then?
vodkajockey000 3 years ago
it wouldnt matter about turbo surge or BOV, they only want the engine to last one race.
alfsgtv 3 years ago
Blowoff valves don't do much in a race car anyways man. A race spec release valve does the job better and without the annoying sound.
gnarkillkicksass 3 years ago
tolles video! vor allem gefällt mir die szene bei 08:15 als der fahrer von dem anderen wagen zur box mitgenommen wird, toll sowas zu sehen. der sound der 1500 ps motors ist auch gewaltig. schön anzusehen auch die duelle auf der strecke.
5/5 sterne, gut gemacht!
remacRS 3 years ago
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Fuck F1. Boring shit. It was interesting in the 80s, even early 90s. But after they all got paranoid it became an irrational show. Sad for all teh good Motorsport beeing strangled by F1-parasite! RIP GroupB, RIP DTM, RIP GroupC ...
mzacki 3 years ago
Wirklich tolles Video!
Aber über die komplette Reportage wäre ich enorm begeistert.
Ist das vielleicht möglich?
11obi11 3 years ago
jungs ihr kommentiert hier wild in englisch rum... versteht ihr eigentlich alle was der reporter so sagt:P
abgesehn davon... ich will auch formel 1 rennen mit 1500ps sehn wo die autos en paar mal anecken mit nem andern fahrzeug aushalten. dann käm nochmal spannung in die sache.
SpecialforceQuak 3 years ago
lasciate parlare forghieri!!!!
PauweBaggio 3 years ago
1.5 liter Turbo or 3.0 liter NA
Turbo Era the BEST you stupid F1 idiots for banning the best racing in history
saitan900 4 years ago 4
They did it because the increasing number of accidents on the turbo F1 era... Do you want your favorite driver to die? Ground Effects == you are coerced into going FASTER so the car sticks to the ground; turbo == you go insanely fast (the fastest speeds in the story of F1)... Ground Effect+Turbo=DEATH.
longde 3 years ago
now engines last upto 5/6 grandprix races but back then to achieve the power they only lasted few laps and there were no ristrictions on the engines.
shaftiee 4 years ago
You all say that the turbos had the most power in 1987, but I thaught in 1987 the boost pressure was restricted to 2.5 bar. Please explain
Perdanski 4 years ago
i'm guessing, that like today's F1's, they compensated for the restrictions with clever engineering? for example, the year they introduced the grooved tyres, some cars were up to four seconds faster around the same circuits than the previous years cars with full slicks.
ChaosEnigma1978 4 years ago
the grooved tires are slower you idiot!
terga1 3 years ago
look up the stats before you go calling people idiot. they were intended to slow them down but with the extra engineering and aero the front running cars esp. ferrari were actually quicker than the previous years cars.
ChaosEnigma1978 3 years ago
I think terga1 doesn't know how to comprehend what he reads. He had no clue of what you were talking about. Maybe "compensated" isn't in his vocabulary
Chuichupachichi 3 years ago