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  • windows beats macs operating system

  • ok people, read this slowly

    PC = Personal Computer

    Windows, OSX, Linux, OSs that can be put onto PCs

    a computer is a computer doesnt matter what OS u have

  • I TRUST YOU, PC!

  • And Windows 8?

  • Anybody notice that Mac barely changed in all those years?

  • I call a Macbook and a PC my own, and I have to say, Win7 is a kickass OS. 

  • Anyone riding on the PC wave needs to get over themselves and recognize the innovation behind the Apple OS

    Anyone riding Steve Jobs' dick needs to get off their high horse and understand that the Apple OS despite being innovative is far from perfect.

    So both parties just shut the fuck up and get over yourselves.

  • @Roshby54

    Good suggestion, but I don't see the innovation you speak of. The OS is slower than Windows 7 at high computational workloads like rendering. The security is practically nonexistent, making it the most vulnerable and exploitable of any OS on the market, and all this talk of "200 new features" in each iteration of the OS is a smokescreen for the simple fact that there's really nothing new going on. OpenCL and GCD are living proof of that. CUDA beat it to the punch years ago.

  • @MaestroDraven To your points, in order: Yes but 3D rendering and gaming is literally the only thing OS X does slower, and the difference is negligible. Security against what? The last time OS had a major virus outbreak was never.

    You're saying there's been NOTHING new implemented from the original System Software (or Mac OS) and OS X 10.7? I'll just have to take your word for it, since you obviously know what you're talking about (I mean you used obscure terms like OpenCL and GCD, wow!)

  • @Nysyarc

    Funny enough, heavy computational workloads are major thing in the industry. Time is money. Why OSX can't handle this is beyond me. It's supposed to be the most "Revolutionary OS in the world."

    Mac viruses are currently exploding at a rate of 10% per month (Source; McAfee).

    And I think you got my comment backwards. Snow Leopard and Lion have been ultra-minimalist upgrades twice in a row. Apple hasn't progressed. They've stagnated.

    Badly.

  • This was the last "Mac vs. PC" Commercials...

  • All of you guys say a flipping PC is better only because that's what you have... If only you were good enough to touch a Mac..... ;)

  • @CJ9ELITE had a macbook pro,the thing crashed so many times a day it wasn't funny.eventually the hard drive became so corrupted it had to be replaced i took it into the shop to get it repaired got told it'd cost 500 dollars to fix,even with the warranty.ended up selling it to the computer repair store for parts,last Apple computer i ever owned or will buy period.

  • hey ! you forgot windows nt

  • Mac's now run Windows 7....so Bill Gates is still alive and winning

  • I trust u so much ! ^_^

  • I am typing this comment using a computer that is installed with Windows 7 and find no problems...Trust me

  • What's funny is this Mac vs. PC is over now that windows 7 dominated the planet..... finally

  • I like the part where everybody likes Windows 7 like he was "jesus" but forget the part that he was the Vista fixed with a new superbar to feels like a "new OS". But under the wood, he's exactly the Vista, only tweaked and fixed. That's why Windows 7 is actually Windows 6.1 and Windows vista is Windows 6.0... True story. from a guy who use Windows since 2.0 version.

  • @segr3do Microsoft DirectX 11 is a big thing on Windows 7 (a.k.a graphics postprocessing engine, tesselation, shader)... even OSX has been the same thing for years with UI tweaking and adding small features.

    oh and the old Windows 7 Homegroup which is later adapted OS Lion called Airdrop.

  • They stopped doing those add after win 7 LOL

  • i used to be a mac, untill i took a pc to the hard drive

  • Dear Apple,

    I like your computers and all, but answer me this:

    I understand windows vista, but when did XP have problems?

    When did ME had problems?

    When did Windows 98 have problems?

    When did Windows 95 have problems?

    When did Windows 2.0 have problems?

    Windows 7 did not have any problems!

    You really need to make your advertising campaign more realistic, and stop hating on Microsoft, which is why there are websites like "People hate Macs" and why others hate Apple. Thumbs up if you agree!!!

  • @Bashader734 actual they had problems here and there but not like vista

  • @Bashader734 "When did ME had problems?" I felt the earth shake just a little bit... be careful... :)

  • @paradoxb3

    Heh! That was a good one :)

  • wheres Ubuntu? :D

  • Orrrr i could save 1200 by buying a $500 pc and installing Os X on it.....

  • i like how they assume PC automatically means Winodws. W7 is a great os but what about linux and all the versions there in giving you as many software options as there are hardware options when it comes to PCs...or you could get a mac and have about 4 options...good for you apples and your 4 options

  • hmm looks like a windows advert, win 7 does a good job

  • I love how It actually DOESN"T have any of the problems windows vista had!!

    Ironic Mac isn't it bahahaha

  • The funny thing is Windows 7 actually did fix all the problems with Vista and is an excellent OS.

  • Looks like there's 1,925 mac users and 1,100 PC users.

  • And then they were right

  • My teacher have a Mac with Windows 7

  • i'd buy a mac if justin long came with it too

  • this time it WAS different...

  • @dancunha98 But I got virus on my Windows 7, so I deleted Windows and installed Ubuntu ;)

  • @megafartproductions

    The only people I know of that get viruses these days are the following:

    1) Idiots that open up file attachments from an unknown source.

    2) Idiots that download porn (google has a video feature for a reason)

    3) Idiots that torrent w/o checking/reading comments

    4) Idiots that download programs w/o verifying their safety first.

    5) Basically, morons that should be nowhere near a bathroom, for fear that they might kill themselves with a toaster in the tub.

  • @dancunha98

    That's what they say, however as a computer tech I seen some of the flaws Windows 7 has.. It's not a perfect OS.

  • @Cavin21

    Neither is any other OS. Just look at OSX, the world's most exploitable operating system. How did that happen?

  • @dancunha98 It still sucks cock compared to Apple OS

  • @Mastermind19871987 Lol. Apple OS is a bitchy, exclusive little thing that has rarely given me an easy time or anything close to an acceptable experience.

    Remind me why I'd like it again?

  • he was right. It's got new problems. different ones.

  • 0:22 i like this pc

  • MAC STINKS!

  • I'd say a Big Mac is better than Mac.

  • @JoChains we have Mega Mac now!!

  • Facebook Vs Myspace

  • Man I SO LOve The windows sense of fashion! It has changed with times Ty. Mac umm you are clean and white..... i am bored , feel like a penguin watching you.

  • U Know What Would Be Better And Cheaper? Buy A HP Pavilion HPE h8-1020 with an 2nd gen intel core i7, Radeon HD 6570 graphics card with 1GB, 8 gb ram, and 1 tb storage for 849.99 plus tax and get a cheap monitor. Install mac os x snow leopard or lion and dual boot with windows 7. and tell apple imac ,mac pro, macbook air, and macbook pro to go fuck yourself.

  • whats the use of getting a fuckin mac they run on fukin intel prosessors like pc. They run the same fuckin gpu as pc. they run the same fuckin ram as pc. mac is like fuckin pc. No i think it is a pc. The only difference of a mac is the operating system and the laptops have highher resolution. theres no use getting a mac

  • i can't understand people hating macs, have you ever used one?

    i have a pc and i lough about this 2 :) guys just chill out!

  • @IIStanIII well since you asked I will reply, Macs are Horrible and I have used them before Everything is Topsy turvy inside a Mac. First of all i noticed Macs have a significant amount of buttons missing, including the right click and many other keys. The keys that are there are badly labeled, Backspase is delete in Mac. Whenever i try to surf on the web on multiple windows the Mac freezes with the color wheel. I could go on and on about how bad the Mac is but I won't since I'm running out of

  • Windows 7 doesn't have any problems that I know of...

  • Goodbye Steve Jobs Rest In Peace.. 

  • Why can't people just take a joke. Just laugh about it.

    I have a PC and can laugh about this. Chill out.

  • lol So true.

  • But XP didn't have any problems, that's why it's still the most popular OS

  • just lovely how all these mac advertisements on youtube have top comments supporting windows xD

  • @Devilzin911 that's no surprise, the majority of youtube viewers do NOT have a MAC. Of course they are going to brag they have the "best."

  • 2 weeks ago I paid $2100 for a mackbook bro 15'' and after suffering from using it for less than a week I found a dead-pixel on it's screen, so I returned it back to Amazon for a full refund. Now, I have my new Sony vaio top of the line packed with all the i7 and 3d stuff and for the cost of only $2000

    Listen learned :)

  • and yet they were VERY wrong about win 7

  • im a pc and after i get a new psu gonna buy hd 5770 cant wait to play games on high settings mac ...............i cant play many games pc oh

  • PC: Hey Mac, I'm gonna make a cliche joke about you.

    Mac: Ok, go right ahead.

    PC: Wanna play a game?

  • lol, for all you asshats out there complaining about mac not being able to play games, i can run crysis on my low end macbook pro. suck my gigantic cock.

  • @LosAngelesGhost i run crysis on my pc

    top ranged graphics and cheat

    now gently suck my t-bags

  • @LosAngelesGhost lol gaming on mac, fail! PC has and always will be the best choice for gaming get that in your head!

  • @Numba1SouthParkFan Macs can run games. It's called BootCamp. Too lazy to restart your computer? No problem, there's also Parallels software. Your argument is invalid.

  • another reason why I hate windows..is because I can't even make a partition..on Macs it's a no brainer, just pick what you want or slide the slider and it does it all for you

  • Can someone please tell me what PC is? Never heard of it...?

  • @bockenrecords PC is any desktop and laptop which isn't a Mac of course according to Apple. Many times Apple call Windows 'PC' as if Macs aren't Personal Computers. Hope I helped :)

  • Everyone knows that Macs and Macbooks are just nice-looking, overpriced, underspecced and inferior versions of a PC.

  • I use both, u gelly?

  • i love that add and i love the whole add campaign but i hate apple fanboys for their loyalty battle , i love my windows 7 , i love my XP , i wish to use windows 1995 and i hate mac because it is for newbies but i still love its editing programs though i never would like to edit anything

  • Lets see here:

    PC: You can take apart an upgrade to an even better version of itself, You can play even more games if your a gamer

    Mac: Easy to use for newbies. thtas all i could think of....

  • yes and it was different

    Because these ads stoped shortley after the release of windows 7

  • The funny thing is is that Windows 7 Is Awesome and for me Has no problems

  • i have a windows 7 desktop pc with overclocked cpu and gpu totaling to 20,000 3dmark06 score hooked up to a 36" full hd monitor. all of this for about $1500. i can't see a mac ever beating this.but i do own a macbook pro laptop and i must say i love it, very reliable fast and handsome. but a mac will never beat a pc. Also windows vista was the only operating system in the past decade that was problematic.

  • @immortal4942 It's a kind of tendency with MS. Based on my past experiences, every 2nd OS works as well as it was initially intended. Just for the last 3 examples: XP-works like a charm. Vista-A tad bit problematic, though curable with knowledge, and Service patches. W7-Works like a charm on steroids.

  • well windows 7 is still way better than vista

  • PC IS BEST

  • Mac: Hi i'm a Mac.

    PC: And i'm a PC.

    Mac: hey there, whacha doing?

    PC: Damn Nortons virus protecter's guarantee is up which i paid a hefty sum for!

    Mac: ahh, thats too bad PC, haven't got a virus in 10 years.... not looking to have any soon, and i can run windows simultaneously aswell as lion...... not only that but i can play games now..... yup, on maxed out settings.... good luck with your virus thingy, tool.

  • @cash78626 You can't play crysis.

  • @cash78626 lol norton? norton is shit house and you can get plenty of free anti virus that is way better. Oh yeah only morons gets viruses. Since i got my first computer 8 years ago I have never had a virus.

    oh btw mac has had the highest reported vulnerabilities discovered in the last year over every other OS. I mean just go look at the results from pwn2own. safari got hack in 5 secs flat (WORSE THAN IE.....AWKWARD)

  • @cash78626 The very same games that will work on a PC that costs 1/4 of the price, not to mention PC has alot more of them.

  • I hope Microsoft go bankrupt. I will never support Micorsoft. Have a life you geeks and PC gamers.

  • @miritkenny the one that has no life is you for doing such comments

  • @miritkenny

    Rage much? Sad little man.

  • The new & improved Windows 8 that's coming up is not gonna have the same problems that Windows 7 has. Let's hope. I hate fixing Windows 7 software issues all the time in Best Buy Geek Squad...

  • @OneGoodCompany Really? Win 7 problems? Such as? I have Win 7, and have yet to see these so called "problems"

    My bet, half the people you fix those "problems" for know next to nothing about computers in the first place. In that case, a Mac is perfect for them ;)

  • fucking windows 98

  • Mac: Hi i'm a Mac.

    PC: And i'm a PC.

    Mac: Hey PC what are you playing?

    PC: Minecraft.

    Mac: What other games can you play?

    PC: All of them.

  • @coltsman64

    Mac: Hi, I'm a Mac.

    PC: And I'm a PC.

    Mac: Hey, PC, what are you playing?

    PC: Nothing. I'm trying to get Portal 2 to boot. Windows 7 is as buggy as Vista.

    Mac: Oh, all the games I can play work. But I don't have much games to play. Without VALVe, a breadstick would be a better game system than I would be.

    PC: Fuck! The Steam FAQ doesn't work! Gosh. I fucking hate--overheat--freeze

    Mac: PC?

    Winner: Windows XP.

  • @BurningRaids Your right Steam does suck... How about some Counterstrike, RAGE, or Fallout: New Vagas? Ohhh wait how about Mafia 2, Homefront, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Saint's Row, Dues Ex: Human Revolution, or Just Cause 2? Oh and what's that? I payed less than half the retail value for these games that I constantly play on my Macbook running at a constant speed of 70 FPS?

    Conclusion:

    PCs suck

    Steam sucks

    and OnLive is sweet :P

  • @CombatDevolved The problem with OnLive is that if you pay for the full game, you're not really getting the full game. it's just like a pass to play the game

  • @CombatDevolved

    70FPS is all fine and dandy, provided the visuals match up. I've also given OnLive a spin,for about 5 minutes. I don't consider an 800x600 resolution with muddy textures, DX9-level graphics and jaggies to be the "right" way to play. ou are a Mac gamer, so you're used to having to sacrifice visual quality for the sake of playability, but this isn't an issue to a PC owner. It's why the new $1999 27" iMac got bested by a $1000 PC in a Starcraft II comparison with an 84FPS lead.

  • @coltsman64 Technically a PC cant play Gears of War 3, Halo Reach and Infamous.

  • @TeamLeftMatch

    Yes it can

  • @coltsman64

    Mac: Oh really? So can I.

    PC: What? HOW?

    Mac: Oh, you know. I can run windows now.

    PC: *blue screens*

    Mac: Minecraft, fuck yeah!

  • @ProductionsByEvan are you comparing the hardware or software???. a Pc hardware can Mac Os on it, but Mac being cheap, and they do their best preventing that. While window OS from Bill Gate allow to be install on multiple operating. They give you opportunity for cheaper price,and upgrading, and that have a flaw for virus(which created by hacker) to Anal your computer and you..

  • @coltsman64

    @coltsman64

    im mac user

    i can play pc game in mac, because they release mac version ..

    all famous game has a mac version ..

    i bet u dont know ..

  • @centristwf Games for Windows and Windows Live Games. There are TONS of great games that arn't on Mac. Now learn English and take your training wheels off your computer and buy Windows.

  • @centristwf Heh. Crysis. Fallout New Vegas. Fallout 3. Borderlands. Grand Theft Auto IV. Just Cause 2. Metro 2033. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. Battlefield: Bad Company 2. Battlefield 3. Battlefield 2. There is many more, but I tire of writing a comment to an ignorant moron who is most likely not even going to read my comment.
  • @coltsman64 that was the beast comment ever

  • the only broken promise is that macs dont crash

  • ...but they sure do like to freeze and show that delightful spinning colour wheel. A lot.

  • Well he got it right this time :)

  • Well I have a Mac and a pc with windows 7 AND Linux UBUNTU. I use mac for designe stuffs, when I need to do ingenier stufs i pic Windows 7 (Solid works, Solid edge, AutoCAD, Proteus, LABView, etc) and when i need to do something for networking I take my UBUNTU.

    MAC: Girlyshhhh

    PC: Ingeniery and Games

    LINUX: For people that have Brain ;)

  • Anyone who has knowledge of computers would just make their own. £400 PC you made vs £1000 mac = Pc out performs mac

  • @borat4421 kind of hard to make your own laptop

  • its zoo funny to see all the pc fanboys get so pissed off at this ad hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha not are fault you boys can't afford a mac!

  • @eccylfc10 because the value of a person is based on the amount of money they blow on a faggy computer right? Get the fuck out of here.

  • @eccylfc10 ... no Mac just sucks.

  • Jeepers creepers needs to kill that guy again

  • mac. juguete caro (genial para diseño) pc juguete personalizable el cielo es el limite :pacsmile:

  • how the hell does this have more likes then dislikes???????????

  • i have never had a single problem with my windows 7 pc. no blue screens, or any of that shit. + my mac friends are jealous cause i can actually play games

  • I have both Mac and PC. Hate me.

  • Wring,Xp didnt have any problem.Still THE perfect OS !

  • You skipped Windows 3... and Windows 7 doesn't have problems. And the only problems of the other systems were lots of viruses, but that isn't the OS's fault...

  • @wilyo64 my windows 7 will lose the network connection if theres too many youtube thumbnails, or google images results. if i leave it on for 24hours the network connection will get so slow you can't watch youtube videos without constant buffering.

    using Linux on same hardware, no such problems!

    Macs cost a fortune...

  • @vannustube because its all in one, get your facts right

  • I use both, Mac and a PC. Though I prefer *NIX like systems such as Linux, BSD (OS X is a version of BSD), UNIX itself I don't ignore nor dislike Windows. The fact that Windows has so many viruses and stuff is due to 70% desktop market coverage and wide popularity among regular people. But that's the one of the reasons why you can't find any Windows server that does serious stuff and also a fact why not so many computer professionals use Windows.

  • Ha ha fuck windows what good did it do to this world

  • @40000iraq humm .. let me mention some of the good stuff windows computers have done...

    windows pcs are pretty much the ones that keep technology moving forward!

    stupid mac fanboys talking without even knowing shit.

  • Windows 7 is fucking amazing. I've never had a problem with it at all, it's perfectly stable and I have no compatability issues at all. If you're into gaming nothing compares to windows ultimate 64-bit.

  • screw all of those linux is KING... if I can figure out how to use it...

  • I've had Windows my whole life. And ALL of my windows computers crashed, had problems, didn't want to play my CDs and stuff like that (even my Windows 7). And I'm a person who takes really good care of my computers... believe me! Last year I got a mac and I love it! I really can't understand why you all hate Mac that much? If you get offended by these commercials then why watch them?

  • so a noob buys a pc for $300, installs limewire and downloads porn. complains that its slow, so he goes and buys a $2500 mac, dosnt download limewire or porn, then rants on and on how mac is superior. sadly, this is your typical mac user. windows 7 has no problems, literally. and the fact that you guys just sit there and believe all of these lies that apple feeds you, just shows your inability to think for yourself. they lie, you believe, you buy. apple is fucked up

  • @vnvxvnv Don't you love how these commercials just stopped after windows 7 came out, i never see them anymore

  • @vnvxvnv and you're the typical windows use thinking that there is indeed nothing wrong with windows. If you think you're right then answer these questions. Why does windows use NTF. Why is windows still based on DOS. Why does windows absolutely need anti-virus. Also, how is it that the only computers I see breaking in my job are Windows based computers. If you call yourself a computer person then expand your knowledge to mac before making an unjustified claim about mac.

  • @vnvxvnv haha, or, or, maybe people do actually think for themselves. And your an asshole for making up some ridiculous story that is so non-canon that it doesn't even make since. People go to mac for the support. People to go to the mac cause they're tired of Windows. Or they wanna try something new. It doesn't have to be Mac vs Pc. Mac is a pc. That's the only thing about this commercial that bothers me. Mac IS A Pc. It's the damn operating systems.

  • @vnvxvnv You're a fool for not realising.

  • @vnvxvnv I bought a pc for 1200. more problems than i ever had with my 1500 dollar mac. i think the 300 dollars justifies the great customer service, quality build, and overall amazing product

  • @vnvxvnv actually your nebbish comment is fucked up as I can tell you have no skills in computers whatsoever. I've been using computers since before the day you were born, and been both working with macs and pc's and unix operating systems for years, trust me it aint no lie, Mac being superior to the Pc is an understatement. in Every aspect.

  • @mitttube

    Ever wonder why Apple benchmarks Macs against other Macs? There's a reason. Whenever independent, unbiased third parties pit new Macs against PCs, they seem to, for some reason, get mercilessly slaughtered. The clincher? The PC tends to cost almost $1000 less.

  • @vnvxvnv don't have the money for a mac? get a job bum.

  • @vnvxvnv no ur in idiot pc blows and I've had my mac for like 5 years and its like new. mac is for the rich...not for the poor like you

  • @SuperRobotUnicorn

    To get me to switch

  • WINDOWS XP WAS FINE!!! HOW DARE YOU INSULT MY HOMIE OS. but its okay, im a linux user now ^.^

  • @wonka8880 Ewww, Windows fanboying at it best! Get off the XP koolaid and the drugs, it's disgusting, really.

  • oh yeah i trust PC because it will different from the older OS. you know what the different is? the error message...

  • JAJA, Windows 7 and have the same problems... trust me, windows 8 will be the same...

  • @Jacksparrow1973 'JAJA' ...lol

  • DISTORTION FIELD

  • I'm using a mac. Working great. love it.

  • It wasn't "Windows 2". It was "Windows 3.1", PC you douchebag!

  • @purple1ris Hate to burst your bubble, there was a windows 2.0, and a windows 3.0 for that matter, I have copies of both knocking about somewhere! I think there may have even been a 2.1 come to think about it!

  • @kirkland500 The first computer I got was running Windows 3.1. The X.X was kind of the service packs of those days, like Windows 98 Second Edition.

  • Well PC is right. He didn't have any of the problems the previous Windows had. It had new problems

  • PC: Hey Mac

    Mac: Whatsup PC

    PC: Wanna play Mine Sweeper?

    Oh that's right Mac doesn't play games

  • @MannyMMA Window Sucks I Like Mac And I Use Mac On Imac

  • @MannyMMA damn minesweeper. fun. oh wait i actually do have it on my mac and all the other pc game. you must have just forgot about game converters that you can get that let you play any pc game on a mac. its ok people make mistakes

  • @danimalvideos918 Except Crysis lmao. the port for that is shitty. I have a Mac G5 and it can't play any real PC games lmfao. That's why I have a gaming PC

  • @MannyMMA sucks cus mac has the mac app store BITCH

  • @GuitarAddict141 oh yes thats definatley worth the extra 800 dollars.

  • @MariomysterHD trollolol

  • @MannyMMA Well, that's not true, but I'm just being literal.

  • @MannyMMA That's good

  • @MannyMMA the mac app store

    duh

  • @MannyMMA I'm so sick of people like you saying Mac can't run games. It can run games, there are just fewer games for Mac. But if you're so hung up on playing Windows games, then just run Parallels.

  • @MannyMMA Its not that mac can't play games it's that there are no developers for it lol...Every new steam game is mac compatible proves it CAN play games.. However all I play is Minecraft I have a windows and I really only like it because OF games.. Only reason for a windows and it still sucks.. I got a windows for christmas and didn't download anything..Goes slow can't play anything on it at all and I had it for two days :/ Macs last longer FACE it you Windows fanboys have no clue

  • everyone who is not just a functional workslave and wants to live some level of creativity should think about getting a mac...I got one, after more than 10 years of pc, its the best decision I almost never made...

  • They forgot Windows 2000! I'm switching to it RIGHT NOW!!!

  • WHICH DO I PICK WIN7 IS KICK ASS BUT I ALWAYS WANTED MAKE :( WTF DI U CHOOSE

  • Well, i guess this time it ACTUALLY WAS DIFFERENT. These Apple ads never used to prove anything, they just made the PC guy look bad. I mean tell me what does this ads prove about Macs being better than PCs? NOTHING! Till this time they have only been taking advantage of the fact that Vista was problematic.

  • Windows XP had problems?

  • M$ sucks.

  • apple ads in general are broken promises

  • xp didnt even have any problems vist ahs acouple problems, 7 fixes that,

  • This ad truly sells MS Win 7 lol...

  • Lets also face it.. MACS are twice the price for less - you get less ram, slower processor, less ports, and less hardrive space.. so how can anyone justify spending an additional $500 to $700 on a mac???? makes no sense

  • @myfacevids Nope i have the new imac 2tb harddribe less hardrive ? lol, nope.

  • mac's ads are very immature, why don't they just tell the consumers how great they think they are and not step on any other competition. This is why many has windows (not mac), 'coz their goal is to give what the consumer what they want; not to win the competition.

    How desperate.