i'm supposed to be studying economics and learning how to make money...all i do is teach music and i'm so broke, well i hope you enjoy this, music is a rough life
I really wish I could have heard more of this, or better still, seen the libretto.
From what I've heard, I'm immensely impressed by Schoenberg's reconciliation of his natural sense of unyielding logic, the deeply intuitive soul-searching of Late Romanticism, and his sense of drama, which can be heard in the sharply ironic "Ohne zu frage?" ("No Questions?"), spoken just like a lecturer or teacher. Sure, the first 2 are in his other works from before this period, but paired with the drama here…!
No one, not even Schoenberg himself, would say this is 'serialist' if they listened to it. It's puely about preconceptions. People know about serialism, and then listen to this, picking up on every prime and inverse that he uses, without missing the point. You wouldn't do that with Mozart, looking at his works and noting every note he uses and how it is in the key signature. So why Schoenberg, guys?
Schoenberg's expressivity is unmatched in the canon of Western music. The notes can barely contain the color and dynamic torque of his orchestrated sound.
Does this piece along with 12 tone music in general rely on shock in the same way that most avant garde art does ?
Im not at all suggesting it does im just interested, im confused by 12 tone music. Is it an organised way of creating something deliberatly hard to follow, to reflect the crisis of the ever changing modern world ?
I like to think of it as, because of the fact that it requires no form of a chord change, it has no limitations on when and how it can change mood. Just like in the six little pieces, he requires no build to a different key, because there is no key.
Yes the limitless possibilities of the piece without a key do inspire a marvellous mysticism. Are you familiar with Berg? He re-evaluated it in his own way didn't he? Bringing a romantic flow to the, surreal, slippery jaggedness of some 12 tone music.
@akeefe Alban Berg deserves alot more respect than he gets. standing as the last true romantics and one of the first serialists, he is snubbed by serialists for his loyalty to tonality and snubbed by the tonal school for being a serialist. And so, while his work should be winning over skeptics in the public eye, instead few people know him as anything other than "that guy who wrote Wozzeck"
@cnmaster01 Even then, Wozzeck is a masterpiece in its own right. I also highly suggest the Violin Concerto, the Altenberg Lieder, and of course Lulu.
@DannyDaWriter Berg is one of my all time favorites. The only one on that list that I am not intimately familiar with is Lulu and not for lack for trying. Wozzeck was one of the best opera going experiences I've ever had, and between that and my copy of the score, I must Imagine Lulu could only be even greater.
All music relies on 'shock'. A constant denial and acceptance of what we'd expect in a certain music grounded through our preconceptions of it. The Classicists did this in a very subtle way, and Schoenberg's music is no different when it comes to how subtle that 'shock' can be. It's not about our immediate perception on something culturally alien to us, but the real appreciation of this comes to you after you've gotten past your auditory prejudices. This is beautiful, profoundly moving music.
@TintedReasoning not all music relies on shock, look at all this new rubbish, Kesha, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry... Predictable, boring and unmemorable, while music like this piece shall last forever..
@Chicklo11 Well to be fair the man died 39 years before I was born, but part of my degree involves looking very closely at Schoenberg's work, so I'd say his memory will last for a fair while yet.
@Chicklo11 You now realize modern pop music is merely a contemporary manifestation of folk music. Given its own line, it's not exactly fair to make a comparison between Schoenberg and Kesha when their goals as musicians and their intended audiences are entirely different. Besides, the modus operandi of "folk" and "classical" music are entirely different, especially as the former is especially grounded in contemporaneity and isn't concerned with comparing itself with that which has come before.
actually schönberg again and again stressed the point that his music is not as different or new as people always see it. at least, that's what you can find in his theoretical writings. and also, before he invented the 12-tone method, he composed atonally. just like many other composers around the world redefined tonality (e.g. scriabin's mystical chord which is basically a dominant chord which he just never dissolves). and really, besides harmony the music of schönberg is following tradition.
It's true too. "Verklarte Nacht" is very reminiscent of some of Beethovens later string quartets. Of course he got more and more dissonant and atonal as he progressed. I would consider "Verklarte Nacht" (one of my favorite pieces of all time) to be more of a trans-tonal piece as it does employ keys, they just are constantly in flux so that they change every 2-8 beats or so.
Schonberg is definitely the most important composer of the 20th century.
i'm supposed to be studying economics and learning how to make money...all i do is teach music and i'm so broke, well i hope you enjoy this, music is a rough life
DanKreiger 1 year ago
I really wish I could have heard more of this, or better still, seen the libretto.
From what I've heard, I'm immensely impressed by Schoenberg's reconciliation of his natural sense of unyielding logic, the deeply intuitive soul-searching of Late Romanticism, and his sense of drama, which can be heard in the sharply ironic "Ohne zu frage?" ("No Questions?"), spoken just like a lecturer or teacher. Sure, the first 2 are in his other works from before this period, but paired with the drama here…!
SeadogDriftwood 1 year ago
No one, not even Schoenberg himself, would say this is 'serialist' if they listened to it. It's puely about preconceptions. People know about serialism, and then listen to this, picking up on every prime and inverse that he uses, without missing the point. You wouldn't do that with Mozart, looking at his works and noting every note he uses and how it is in the key signature. So why Schoenberg, guys?
witness124 1 year ago
I was introduced to Arnold Schoenberg today at a lecture in college. And I must say, absolutely mind blown by his stuff. Genius, perfect music.
TheModCon 1 year ago
This thing actually gave me the shivers... it's creepy :|
xoxpenguinxox 1 year ago 2
Schoenberg's expressivity is unmatched in the canon of Western music. The notes can barely contain the color and dynamic torque of his orchestrated sound.
Sublime.
pooperscoopr69 1 year ago
outstanding
5/5
Alucards666Mistress 3 years ago
irgendwie schaurig... ich finde an sowas keinen gefallen.
neger187 3 years ago
Ich kannte zwar schon einiges von Schönberg, aber dieses Stück mit dieser einmaligen besetzung ist echt super!
Sorry for all the people who can't understand what they are singing/saying!
If you like this is can say: see,/hear "A Survivor from Warsaw" it is creepy but great an in englisch(most of it)!
Thanks for that video!
blumedersahara 3 years ago
What an innovator!
Ich wünsche daß ich ihn verstehen kann.
NavinJohnson90 3 years ago
learn german
kusskuss13 3 years ago
teach me.
NavinJohnson90 3 years ago
i would translate it for you if i had the text (or could actually understand what they are singing oO )
Elfenohr 2 years ago
Interesting footage, though this is not one of his best works, nor did he complete it... Great to have this video available, even so. Thanks.
episematical 3 years ago
NOOOOOOOO THIS IS MY FAVORITE!
ProkofievFanatic 3 years ago
One of my favorit composer.
Thank you very mutch
808SuperNova 3 years ago
thanks so much ascvideo!!
launov 4 years ago
A classic video, essential music history.
JJ77TTUU3 5 years ago
Does this piece along with 12 tone music in general rely on shock in the same way that most avant garde art does ?
Im not at all suggesting it does im just interested, im confused by 12 tone music. Is it an organised way of creating something deliberatly hard to follow, to reflect the crisis of the ever changing modern world ?
akeefe 3 years ago
I like to think of it as, because of the fact that it requires no form of a chord change, it has no limitations on when and how it can change mood. Just like in the six little pieces, he requires no build to a different key, because there is no key.
ProkofievFanatic 3 years ago
Yes the limitless possibilities of the piece without a key do inspire a marvellous mysticism. Are you familiar with Berg? He re-evaluated it in his own way didn't he? Bringing a romantic flow to the, surreal, slippery jaggedness of some 12 tone music.
akeefe 3 years ago
@akeefe Alban Berg deserves alot more respect than he gets. standing as the last true romantics and one of the first serialists, he is snubbed by serialists for his loyalty to tonality and snubbed by the tonal school for being a serialist. And so, while his work should be winning over skeptics in the public eye, instead few people know him as anything other than "that guy who wrote Wozzeck"
cnmaster01 1 year ago
@cnmaster01 Still, I'd rather be 'That guy who wrote Wozzeck' than 'That guy who wrote Don Giovanni'
witness124 1 year ago
@witness124 amen bother
cnmaster01 1 year ago
@cnmaster01 Even then, Wozzeck is a masterpiece in its own right. I also highly suggest the Violin Concerto, the Altenberg Lieder, and of course Lulu.
DannyDaWriter 7 months ago
@DannyDaWriter Berg is one of my all time favorites. The only one on that list that I am not intimately familiar with is Lulu and not for lack for trying. Wozzeck was one of the best opera going experiences I've ever had, and between that and my copy of the score, I must Imagine Lulu could only be even greater.
cnmaster01 7 months ago
Its very organised and is written to very strict rules.
chrisfactoryboi 3 years ago
All music relies on 'shock'. A constant denial and acceptance of what we'd expect in a certain music grounded through our preconceptions of it. The Classicists did this in a very subtle way, and Schoenberg's music is no different when it comes to how subtle that 'shock' can be. It's not about our immediate perception on something culturally alien to us, but the real appreciation of this comes to you after you've gotten past your auditory prejudices. This is beautiful, profoundly moving music.
TintedReasoning 3 years ago 6
@TintedReasoning not all music relies on shock, look at all this new rubbish, Kesha, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry... Predictable, boring and unmemorable, while music like this piece shall last forever..
Chicklo11 1 year ago
@Chicklo11 Well to be fair the man died 39 years before I was born, but part of my degree involves looking very closely at Schoenberg's work, so I'd say his memory will last for a fair while yet.
clapton1958 11 months ago
@Chicklo11 You now realize modern pop music is merely a contemporary manifestation of folk music. Given its own line, it's not exactly fair to make a comparison between Schoenberg and Kesha when their goals as musicians and their intended audiences are entirely different. Besides, the modus operandi of "folk" and "classical" music are entirely different, especially as the former is especially grounded in contemporaneity and isn't concerned with comparing itself with that which has come before.
DannyDaWriter 7 months ago
actually schönberg again and again stressed the point that his music is not as different or new as people always see it. at least, that's what you can find in his theoretical writings. and also, before he invented the 12-tone method, he composed atonally. just like many other composers around the world redefined tonality (e.g. scriabin's mystical chord which is basically a dominant chord which he just never dissolves). and really, besides harmony the music of schönberg is following tradition.
Elfenohr 3 years ago 4
Yeah thats what I'm getting at really.
akeefe 3 years ago
It's true too. "Verklarte Nacht" is very reminiscent of some of Beethovens later string quartets. Of course he got more and more dissonant and atonal as he progressed. I would consider "Verklarte Nacht" (one of my favorite pieces of all time) to be more of a trans-tonal piece as it does employ keys, they just are constantly in flux so that they change every 2-8 beats or so.
Schonberg is definitely the most important composer of the 20th century.
intervalkid 3 years ago
"pan-tonality" ?
joznick1 2 years ago
The real source of Verklaerte Nacht is not so much the late Beethoven quartets as the prelude to the third act of Parsifal.
TassiloDavid 1 year ago
@TassiloDavid Ditto
Jazzguitar00 1 year ago
thanks so much for this. you just made my day.
Ericstlaurent 5 years ago 3
Superb Excerpt from the masterfull Schoenberg. Love this 1961 clip. Thank you for a cracking post.
AlannTH 5 years ago 2
It's posts like this that keep me coming back to youtube.
wesleyan97 5 years ago
The greatest composer of the 20th century.
YuriDante 5 years ago 2