Tancredo Speech at UNC-CH Axed by Rabble Rousers (1 of 3)

[thisoldman99]

Fact - This would never happen at Duke.

[mrbriscoe2001]

It's easy to see why the Duke Lacrosse players were so quickly found Guilty until proven Innocent at that joke of a university;we don't need ideas;we have SLOGANS...

[redskins1111]

damn yankees in NC u destroying another southern state just like yall did to Virginia and Maryland

[GreenConstrictors]

GET A JOB

[ldeoprecor]

Well, wouldn't the best way to find out if they had ulterior motives be to listen to what they had to say? Or, is it UNC's policy to condemn and sentence people before the trial?

[tronny1]

Yes, it would have been. However, a few students obviously thought not.

[ldeoprecor]

I think that the sheer volume of protesters at the event was due to the false belief that YWC is a white supremacist or racist organization.

The fact that they were chanting "Sexist, racist, anti-gay, racist bigot, go away" it a rather good indication that a NUMBER of a students were protesting the presence of a bold conservative group on campus. "Sexist" and "anti-gay"? Where do they get that?

[tronny1]

I think they were saying "right-winged bigot".

I assume they got "sexist" and "anti-gay" from a plea mentioned by a YWC delegate at some point about the country returning to how it was 30 or 40 years ago; that probably incited the riot.

[Anokpoet]

Have you looked at their logo? It is the Fasces very similar to the one used by Mussolini (you might remember him as the dictator of Italy during WW2 and the founder of fascism) oh and YWC's sponsor at CPAC was Peter Brimelow of the racist website VDARE and one of the founding members Marcus Epstein has long been tied in with racist groups and is currently Pat Buchanan's little buddy (and he also happens to have been arrested for a drunken brawl in Georgetown)

[ldeoprecor]

Their logo is the hammer of Charles Martel.

Peter Brimelow does support YWC, but as far as I've seen and read, he isn't a sponsor, and wasn't at CPAC.

Marcus Epstein, also, is not one of the founding members. You'd think that he would be involved with YWC's leadership if that was the case.

[Anokpoet]

That is what they say but it looks a whole lot like the Fasces as well and from what I know of Martel, he seems like a christian extremist and in general a pretty violent guy. Peter Brimelow was YWC's sponsor at CPAC, we have inside sources. We also know that Epstein is in fact a founding member with Kevin De'Anna. I don't know what his current involvement is but we know he is a busy bee in the paleo-conservative movement either with YWC or Pat Buchanan or Tancredo or some other groups

[ldeoprecor]

"We" also know that Epstein is a founding member? Well, considering that DeAnna has denied Epstein's involvement in YWC, I find it hard to believe that your claim is a "fact".

You'd think that both YWC and Brimelow would be more public of that sponsorship. Saying you have "inside info" without providing hard evidence is akin to saying that evidence is BOUND to show up eventually.

Charles Martel is the reason why you currently speaking English and are not Muslim.

[Anokpoet]

Of course DeAnna is going to deny his involvement because Epstein is poison, they are trying to play as if they are some new group with new ideas and not the old racist crowd that Epstein and Brimelow are a part of. Saying I have inside info means I have sources I cannot divulge otherwise I will lose those sources and I don't need that. I do a lot of stuff that is kept private because the people who give me info wish to keep it that way to protect themselves.

[ldeoprecor]

Uhuh, alright so let's go ahead and believe your "inside sources" (Funny that they wouldn't make something like that public). And, let's assume that DeAnna is lying about Epstein's involvement.

Now, do you have any hard evidence? I mean, suppositions have their place, but debates/discussions typically require a little more "concrete" evidence, if you may. You know. Things like actions come to mind.

[Anokpoet]

Charles Martel is not the reason I am doing anything. Charles Martel might have been the reason that idiots fought idiots for more idiocy but as far as doing anything for me he did nothing. I also never said what my religion was, I happen to not be Muslim and I also happen to not be Christian and I am no longer Jewish but maybe Charles Martel is a reason I am not a Christian, but that is about it for him. I actually come from various cultures so don't assume things you don't know.

[ldeoprecor]

Considering that Muslims do not "support" (to put it lightly) bisexuality, I deduced that you were indeed not Muslim. If you came out publicly, like you've done, in a Muslim dominated world or culture, chances are that you'd be shut down and shunned. Beyond assuming(though to be honest "deducing" is more appropriate) that you are not Muslim, I didn't make any claim about your religion or culture. As it is, I was entirely correct in my "assumption".

[tronny1]

Just so it can be known, Republicans and Democrats alike were angered at the thought of Tancredo on campus. Here's a little secret: I don't think the students are really that ticked off with Tancredo as they are with the group that brought him to campus, Youth for Western Civilization (YWC). There have been many discussions around campus about whether or not YWC has ulterior motives due to the group's association with Marcus Epstein, a supposed racist. They believe YWC advocates white supremacy

[imnospaz]

I can't figure out why you guys think this is from UNC? Not one of those students look or act to be over 12 years old? Was this shot at a grade school close by? A good paddling might do wonders for these tikes.

[crazybird01]

These kids need to get out a dictionary and look up some words. Disagreeing on a topic isn't "hate". Freedom of speech does not mean silencing another's point of view. Don't like it, stay outside, hold your signs and let others have their freedoms. This bully mob mentality is sick.

[ratbstard718]

I am so saddened by the fact that even this small percentage of of the student body of UNC could trample the greatest right of the American constitution.  They should all be identified and kicked out of school!

[Anokpoet]

Wait the right to invite Tom Tancredo on campus? I didn't know that was a right in the Constitution?

[ratbstard718]

You're so witty. NOT

[Anokpoet]

I wasn't trying to be witty, so you fail once again.

[ldeoprecor]

I believe that he was referring to the right known as freedom of speech. That you "failed" to pick up on that indicates that you were either trying to be sarcastic (or conceivably "witty") or that you lack the intelligence to figure out what he meant.

[Anokpoet]

Tancredo had his freedom of speech he was able to speak his idiocy and people obviously opposed that, most rational people would oppose Tancredo. I was making a silly joke so not really trying to be witty just marginally funny, you need to get out and see the world more maybe you might laugh a bit. Curmudgeons never seem to make it well in this world!

[ldeoprecor]

I believe that it was at your insistence that you were not trying to be witty. "

"I wasn't trying to be witty, so you fail once again.

" That hardly indicates a joke.