Air Force Awards Boeing $35B Tanker Contract

[VexZeez]

Military-Industrial Complex

[jayes12]

If Boeing is such a clear winner then why did it lose with the same contract in 2008.

Even if the contract is awarded back to EADS, EADS of North America will be able to construct planes years before Boeing's roll out date of 2017. EADS could replace the fleet of 50+ year old planes some 5 years before Boeing. Boeing's replacement fleet is only on paper in the planning stages. EADS already has tested tankers in the air. EADS planes are superior.

[ContreJours]

I hope that Europeans draw the consequences of this decision. Europe is the first foreign market for American military-industrial complex. If Americans want to play this game, well, Europe must do the same thing.

[freekyweeky6]

Wichita gets lots of jobs! Over 7,500!

[Imat00l]

@quinnmcguee This contest had been going on longer than it should. In case you haven't known our KC-135 is 40+ years old and these tankers should've retired years ago.

[Toroa28]

The U.S government taking money from the poor and giving it to the rich, This is what you voted for Republicans

[BertGriffin88]

Since America has no money, we have to lay off teachers, firefighters, & policemen. We have to close schools, hospitals, & recreational centers. We can't build schools, repair roads, & can't repair bridges. Yet the AirForce has $35Billion, which with the engineering change proposals will easily swell to $100Billion, to burn. Take the money from these BigMilitaryContractors & their Congressmen that are misappropriating these Military Programs to make their retired buddies rich. Just another Scam!

[hotwheels770]

@BertGriffin88 this 35billion dolar spending by the US for the tanker will bring at least 48,000 high paying jobs to the econemy which will bring tax payers to the econemy which surley will help pay off some money

[BertGriffin88]

@hotwheels770,

In Virginia alone, Bush&Dick Republican TeaBagging Bonerhead Governor McDonnell has fired 38,000 teachers. There are estimates as high as 300,000 teachers will be fired across America. So the unreasonable Bush&Dick Republican logic is to fire 300,000 teachers so Boeing can build a Tanker that will hire 48,000 workers. The real question is how many congressmen, lobbyist, retired officers, etc will receive large chunks of this Tanker Building Scam while the teachers get screwed?

[hotwheels770]

@BertGriffin88 well the teacher issue is a separete matter. the reson they are firing 300,000 teachers is because the teachers union is bankrupting the states. the teachers union neads to be broken up. the teachers union is requisting moremoney for the shitty teachers. the shitty teachers get as much money as the good teachers. the shitty teachers should get minimum wage and the good teachers should get what they are getting payed now. the tanker and the teachers are two different subjects.

[BertGriffin88]

@hotwheels770,

It's this erroneous reasoning that allows the Bush&Dick Republican TeaBagging Bonerheads to perpetuate the fallacies that unions make bad teachers rich. It's just crazy but that's the Republican LSD that's distributed. Now there are some bad teachers, but certainly not 300,000. Republicans overlook reasons why some kids fail: parents that abuse their children (physically, sexually, etc), kids that can't learn, won't work, are dangerous, insane; & no resources to assist teachers.

[hotwheels770]

@BertGriffin88 first of all stop refering to bush because he aint president no more, so now everything IS obamas fault because he should have changed alot of things now. he has not changed asnything for the good. for your iformation people who do bad ion school are not insane and have not been molested it is the teachers fault students are failing. probably %30 maybe more of teachers are bad. and unless you go to school you cant posibaly disagree.

[omegbule]

Would have been nice if EADS had gotten the contract seeing that they had already built one of the aircrafts and Boeing only had theirs on paper still. The setup would have been in Mobile, AL.

[brokenspar]

@omegbule You'd better do some checking up on your "facts".....Boeing has already sold and built 4 767 tankers.....and on top of that has many, MANY years of tanker building experience......and why would the USAF want tankers with their booms falling off??

[sunRsaturn]

A war in Iraq and Afghanastan for 10 years hasn't created any jobs, but this will?

[alpineace2003]

I want a raise!

[witecracker2]

wow this is insane way to spend billions, this is due to insane polices in an insane world,...

[sunRsaturn]

If there are 2 big wars going on and America is losing jobs. Even the states are laying off and cutting government jobs. How is this pile of bs going to save the day? I think you are Micheal Qaddafi, illigitamate son of momaor and one of his body guards.

[sunRsaturn]

What happens if there is peace by 2015 when you ask for another 100 billion for this tanker uber alles? Blow up another skyscrapper and make another enemy yourself?

[sunRsaturn]

What sort of options? New swiming pools, vactions, and swiss bank accounts for the airforce brass and boeing executives?

[sunRsaturn]

For now. After initial tests it will be another 500 billion and they'll only buy 2, or scrap it for mounting a Sunoco on top of a blimp.

[dsjj251]

So EADS was awarded the contract in 2007 by the Air Force, but was then persuaded to participate in an Open Bid for the contract, which they Won in February 2008, then Boeing decided to protest. during this process, we find out that EADS's plane is much better but some how on Feb 24,2011, Boeing wins ???

[DrCruel]

@quinnmcguee The strategy has been a mess for them - thus far. Toyota had similar problems with outsourcing jobs to serfs and slaves rented from Chinese Marxists. But if Boeing wants to have access to mainland Chinese markets, they have to deal with the Leftists in that country that control those markets. That means building some of their production chain on the Chinese mainland.

[HemiHead66]

@DrCruel if Boeing wants to have access to mainland Chinese markets, they have to deal with the Leftists in that country that control those markets????? You really do have that leftist crap burnt into your brain. The communist Chinese Govt. decides the way business is done in China. They want technology. They want a piece of the fucking pie. And all of those fucks in Washington are going to hand it right ot them. The Repubs more than others. They're the fucks that started this shit with NAFTA .

[DrCruel]

@quinnmcguee Here's why:

-w-businessweek-com/magazine/c­ontent/06_05/b3969417.htm

[DrCruel]

@quinnmcguee When Boeing outsources to other countries, particularly the PRC, they do so to gain entry to that market. I'm not especially happy about what the Chinese Marxists have done, but Boeing is sensibly doing what it must to gain entry into the largest expanding market in the world.

We could certainly minimize the problem by not letting US industrial unions have so much power. Toyota closed their one UAW plant (NUMMI) and operates plants in the US without any union presence at all.

[TheBlue128]

THATS THE ONLY WAY BOEING WONT GO BROKE

[doomsoth]

I love how the government can just pull money out of its ass, but the middle class and the poor have to fight to keep their money.

[JamesFariello]

More ChemTrail aircraft to spray us with.

[treid100182]

KEEP THE JOBS in the U.S.!!!!!!!!

We stand with you, Boeing.

[dsjj251]

@treid100182 ummmm, EADS's American branch was who Boeing was competing with, the Planes would have been built at Brookley Field in downtown Mobile,AL

so WTF are you talking about when you say " KEEP THE JOBS IN THE US" ??? unless you dont see Mobile as part of the US.

[Movera2k]

Sounds like they'll be stepping up the chemtrailing. Fucking can't believe I pay for this shit.

[HemiHead66]

@mohahalima Well, there are 2 other industries in the U.S. that do just as good as war. Prisons & Drugs. Bush moved the whole Mexican drug cartel into the U.S. with his Mexican trucker program, and Obama's about to start it back up again to keep the circle turning. They're goin to reduce this country to ashes.

[DrCruel]

@mohahalima So far as I can think of at the moment, there's only three business categories that the US still has a leading position in - mass media content, mass food production, and high end weapons systems. Pretty much everything else here has gone to pot.

Oh yeah, that too.

[DrCruel]

@mohahalima Dunno about that (Youtube, etc). What I do know is that the US still makes lots of movies, songs and other media products that other countries like to buy. We're still competitive in that industry - at least at the moment (although lots of countries have gotten into teh business of making their own local content, so the US share of the market has declined over time too).

What I'd suspect we agree on is that there is precious little that the US is #1 in anymore.

[DrCruel]

@mohahalima I won't argue that our procurement system isn't a ripoff. That's from someone who's seen it up close. It's been that way since at least the American Civil War, and the situation has rapidly become worse since World War II - so much so, that President Eisenhower was moved to warn Americans about it.

That said, it's not nearly as much of a cock-up as our welfare industry. Again, that's from seeing it up close.

[DrCruel]

@quinnmcguee Military spending during the 1940s turned the people of our Industrial Midwest (the Steel Belt) into some of the most prosperous people on the planet. Welfare "reforms" in cities like Detroit have killed that industry, and have transformed these cities into war zones.

I'd rather have our cities look like Seattle than Detroit. So good for Boeing.

[HemiHead66]

@DrCruel This isn't the 40's. And these goddamn criminals are gutting this country. They're throwing out education programs, the science foundation, the National Institutes of Health, Job-training programs, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the National Cancer Institute, funds for the elderly to heat their homes, Social Security & Medicare, which these politicians stole 4 1/2 trillion dollars from, the EPA, food safety, etc. etc. and replacing it with more Defense spending.

[DrCruel]

@HemiHead66 No - it sure isn't. And the criminals that are damned by God certainly have ripped us off royally. We just seem to have a difference of opinion as to who those criminals are.

You seem to think national prosperity comes from social programs. I suggest jobs, tax revenue and national wealth come from another source - one that has been all but criminalized by Leftists in this country.

I'd rather have another factory in this country than another inner city slum, thanks.

[HemiHead66]

@DrCruel Social Programs? You mean like Cops? FireFighters? Education? Food safety? The EPA? Any idiot on the planet will tell you that you're going nowhere without an education. Right now China is pissing on our best at Harvard and Yale, lets see how far this country gets with a bunch of idiots running it. And if you can't see how Job-training programs, cancer research etc.etc. creates wealth, you're braindead. You people need to lay off the Pubtard rhetoric.

[DrCruel]

@HemiHead66 Nope. I mean like the housing project programs, quasi private/public "companies" like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, political action committees masquerading as "social activists" (like ACORN), and a host of other dubious uses for enormous chucks of taxpayer revenues that have been counterproductive. And, in regards civil servants, about the government employee unions that have made the pay so high for these jobs, bankrupting cities, such that getting one is an exercise in nepotism.

[DrCruel]

@HemiHead66 As for education, we should develop programs more in line with what industry needs, like the Germans do. Their vocational apprenticeship programs, partnering big industries with government educators, produce workers that are far more valuable to their economy than Harvard liberals. Even better, we should adopt a nationwide school choice program - thus reducing education costs, giving poor children access to quality private schools, and reducing our libtard quotient all in one stroke.

[HemiHead66]

@DrCruel By the way, who was it that voted against legislation to stop fraud and abuse of our tax dollars in 04, 06, 08, and 2 months ago? And 2 months ago the Repubs did it in secret so we wouldn't know who it was. In 06, every Repub voted against Democrat legislation to stop Halliburton and the other cronies from robbing taxpayers. A movie was even made out of it, Iraq for sale, the war profiteers. Halliburton was burning brand new tractors when they had a flat to profit off the next ones.

[DrCruel]

@HemiHead66 The people I knew about who were voting against oversights were in the Clinton administration. As for Iraq, I remember Leftist protestors telling me Saddam was a great guy in 1991, that sanctions stopping weapons imports were starving children in 1997, and that we were deposing Saddam to get at his oil in 2003. I was even told Saddam was a US ally all along in 2010.

As for Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, isn't Barney Frank a Democrat?

[HemiHead66]

@DrCruel That's right, we were deposing Saddam to get at his oil. Bush did convert Iraq's oil sales back to dollars from the Euro, robbing Iraq of God knows how much money. As for Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, what about Bush's housing programs? His Renewing the Dream Act. His American Dream down payment Act. Raising the commitment of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, by 440 billion. Funding organizations like habit for humanity. Bush even killed his own parties attempts at reform.. Barney Frank my azz.

[DrCruel]

@HemiHead66 (...)

Iraq has a national GDP of $60 billion per year. Our first allocation of funds to Iraq amounted to over $200 billion - and that was gone in the first few months.

We did not invade Iraq to "steal their oil". If we wanted to steal a hostile nation's oil, we would have overthrown the pro-Left socialist dictator in Venezuela - not the pro-Left socialist dictator in Iraq.

Mind, I was also told we went into Afghanistan because of a UNOCAL pipeline. Yuk yuk yuk.

[sunRsaturn]

@DrCruel Thirty-six years after Saddam Hussein nationalized oil and kicked out Western companies, Iraq's Oil Ministry has awarded Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total, and BP contracts set to bring the oil giants back.

[DrCruel]

@sunRsaturn Saddam was the one that negotiated the deal with TotalFinaElf. In fact, it was the danger of losing this contract that made France so adamant about opposing Saddam's overthrow.

If the US wanted a hand in controlling Iraqi's oil, they certainly aren't doing a good job of it:

-w-businessinsider-com/soverei­gn-backed-oil-companies-creame­d-the-multinationals-in-iraq-2­010-2

[DrCruel]

@quinnmcguee Throwing more money down the hole of the welfare industry gets us back very little - because most of that money goes to pay for unionized government employees, who spend their money on expensive foreign imports (go look at the employee parking lot of a welfare office to see part of what that money is going to). By contrast, much of what we spend on military equipment goes to research, the spinoffs from which aid both our military capabilities and our industrial competitiveness.

[greenfeld5]

usa out from the world its better for everyone ,

[greenfeld5]

this another thing united state dont need , to be reelected .

waste by the government at the time so many out of job /

isnt better way to spend the money . 30 billion dollar /

for military . ????? this guy forgot how many people out of job , ?

greenfeld

[HemiHead66]

Yeah, just look at all our tax dollars going right down the fucking bowl. We spend more money on Defense than every country on Earth combined. Our Navy is bigger than the next top 14 countries Navies COMBINED! Defense spending in 97, 98, 99, & 2000 was under 300 billion a year. Now it's between 928.8 to 1+ trillion a year. Any question as to who and what is bankrupting this country? And the GOP will gut this country to continue handing their crony friends contracts. Education, out. War, in!

[AirPhforce]

@quinnmcguee No but I worked on KC-135's for years in the Air Force and those things are dying. You can't keep a jet in the air for 50 years without major issues. So what do you do? Spend billions overhauling the fleet or spend the same money and get new ones? It's simple.

[terrygus1]

are these for chemtrails?

[witecracker2]

@terrygus1 it nice to see there are more and more people waking up to the spray,

[DrCruel]

@quinnmcguee Are you saying the Tea Party Movement should protest because the US government chose a US aircraft firm (Boeing) rather than a European one (EADS)? Or should they be upset because the US government is actually spending money on something they're mandated to under teh US Constitution (ie, defense) which would naturally leave less money for social engineering programs, pay raises for unionized government employees, giveaways to friends of the president and the like?

[79chemdog]

Always have money for the military whatever

[AirPhforce]

@quinnmcguee Because it costs less then using what we have now.

[TheAfroQween]

@quinnmcguee my sentiments exactly

[LouieArrighi]

what about our debt?

[Aaaaarrrrrrggghhh]

@LouieArrighi You pay or eat it.

[HappyHippyHeadshop]

So who got the BJ from boeing? I bet it was one of the guys with the pink ties! Its funny i didnt ever hear anything about the need for new refueling tankers, or the fact that we need that many. Cut the military funding.

[NWOTruther]

So where are we getting this money from? The Tooth Fairy?

[Aaaaarrrrrrggghhh]

@NWOTruther You are the tooth fairy lol

[NWOTruther]

@Aaaaarrrrrrggghhh Shit! When?!v

[admason77]

THESE BASTARDS WASTE MONEY LIKE ITS UNLIMITED OR SOMTHING, THESE STUPID CONTRACTS N DEALS ARE GONNA BRING THE WORLD TO A STANDSTILL OF NO MONEY N RISING POVERTY, U CAN FEED ABOUT THE WHOLE OF THE WORLDS POOR PEOPLE A FEAST WITH THAT KIND OF MONEY. WTF!

[KingNikan13]

@admason77

shut the fuck up

military budgets are for that, the military

if you want to change something about that run for a political office.

[admason77]

@KingNikan13 u shut the fuk up u fk face, ur gran whos dead, (good riddance) cud have been saved by that money used to make a cure for her digusting body

[derberg19486]

That is like a guy who has all his credit cards at the limit and cutting back on food for his family and goes out and buys a new motorcycle.

[yankee22167]

is that Spock in uniform?

[UnblockedOne2]

awesome!

[thopkins23]

What a JOKE!

[noquarter28]

the american people dont stand behind this war.

[agent4051]

@noquarter28 I do.

[nadiaTeeze]

cut the military. Build our infrastructure.

[illestevo8]

sweet mother of pearl! we got money to spend

[fattkattz55]

@illestevo8 foreal man hawaii operates on a billion dollars for its budget instead of this plane they could of gave each state whos having trouble i mean were shutting down schools furloughs i mean its downright fuck the people and well rub it in your face....

[mendali]

@illestevo8 there always seems to be money to spend on "defense"....

[Agomongo1235]

=/ o yea boeings #1

[mykmmc]

but we are broke??????????

[Catsscratchfever]

Ya Ya Ya .....Just quit spraying shit on our head everyday.....ASSHOLES

[JogBird]

This was fucking rigged.

[KlingonSpider]

the guy on the left looks like Spock

[mohahalima]

@KlingonSpider tee hee! yep!