Jesus did fulfill the law and the purpose of the law was to show that only one could keep it and that was Jesus. ANd now we are to move over and trust Jesus to live our lives.
The law was fulfilled when we trust Christ to live his life in us and thru us. So now we are dead to the law and no longer bound to it. For we are bound to Christ who lives and corrects and teaches and motivates us.
sam harris has a huge atheist following. please keep on dismantling sam harris. I was amazed you attacking sam harris, most christians are afraid to watch his videos.
@footballunleashed I'm amazed that you attribute this as a dismantling of Sam Harris. Count the people in the bible that get obliterated, then count the ones who don't. It's simple. your god killed everything on the planet that wouldn't fit in a boat. Nice peaceful stuff.. It would scare you if it wasn't made up.
Understand this about most atheist debators like Sam, their objective is to promote leftism. Atheism over christianity is a means to an end. Many christians like yourself frequently make the mistake of getting bogged down in addressing guys like Harris with theology. They do not really care what the Bible or what christians teach, or what christians have done. Their agenda is political, and christian faith is a political obstacle to the left. Grasp this.
Hewitt, although not my favorite responder, is correct that Harris is not literate in history. Daekins is more intellectual honest than Sam, and Hitchens is also as well as more historically literate.
Better quality examples of this debate are Hitchens v. Rabbi Wolpe (multiple occasions), and Dawkins v. McGrath (an atheist to catholic convert).
An "atheistic perspective" is a realistic assessment of the world. Atheist are simply people who do not believe in deities. That has nothing to do with behavior towards someone. Why does life have to have a purpose? Billions of other life forms continually live and die on Earth and there is no "purpose" for their existence. Yet they somehow live their life cycle. Our biological makeup naturally want to survive & ensure the survival of our species just like all other lifeforms.
And if is the greatest commandment is to love god with all your heart, over love thy neighbor, what does that have to do with morality? That is simply a claim of belief. What does that have to do with actions or behavior towards others? Even in the old testament, why would it be considered moral to kill children and infants or rape girls of the enemy simply because their culture worshiped other gods or were considered a hindrance to Israel? Why are the children dispensable?
So if the law of the old testament is transformed into this new law of the covenant of love thy neighbor, what of those who fulfill that law that aren't christians? Who then are the evildoers, if no one can be saved by observing the law of moses- are they those who don't believe in the christian god? How would that make them evil if they do the same things christians do by loving everyone equally? How does loving their neighbors with no belief in god make them moral evil in regard to actions?
I did not understand what you meant when you said that the violence in the Bible is descriptive and not prescriptive because God does command the Israelites to go and commit genocide and kill basically anything that breathes in the promise land. (1 Sam 15:3)
@Nazam44 Yes he does. What I am saying is that he does not command CHRISTIANS to. He did at that particular time-FOR THE ISRAELITES. I'd be careful getting into this subject as a Muslim if I were you. Mohammad affirmed these things and did them as well.
@xchampx I thought Christians are suppose to be the new Israel and God promises Israel the promise land but only by them exterminating all the population that live there and killing everything that breathes. (Deut 20:16) Even the peace that the NT speaks about will only first through violence by Jesus (Rev 19:11-21) It is interesting to notice that Jesus is actually portrayed more peaceful in the Quran than he appears in the Bible and also every other Jewish prophet that appears in the Quran.
@Nazam44 Way to distort the text. read verses 17 and 18 as well. It wasn't just to kill anyone. During that time. It was in defense.The Jesus of the Quran is a false Jesus. Jesus is the judge,but the funny thing is your Quran AFFIRMS the bible and the Torah. Yet, every Muslim has a different opinion. One Muslim says the bible is corrupt while others say its the word of God and distort it to try and
prove' a point. But its okay. According to the Muslims it's okay to lie.
@xchampx I didn't mean to make you angry but I didn't quoted it out of contexts, however, I should have also referred you to Genesis (15:18:21) where God promises to give the land of the Canaanites,etc, to Abraham's descendants. That is the contexts against which Deuteronomy 20 falls under in which God tells Israel to take over and kill all pagans so that they are not entice to worship other gods like what happen to them with the Midianites, (Numbers 31:16).
@Nazam44 In addition, the Jesus in Revelation 19 is coming as the final Judge and Ironically you believe allah will come and judge everyone else so I don't see your problem. Double standards. The Jesus of the bible is judge and Lord. You degrade him and blaspheme the name of the Lord.
@xchampx I prefer to stick to one topic at a time. I only brought this up just to show that the picture of Jesus is more peaceful than in the Bible. Btw, the contexts in not to do with Judgement but Jesus estabshing his kingdom and ruling all nations with an iron rod for a 1000 years. After that will be the judgement and according to Mt the disciples will also be judging.
@Nazam44 Please address the issues then. You didn't refer to any passages, but in fact put your own twist on it. If you read Revelation 19:19-20 you see they are OPPOSING JESUS. So, once again this is Jesus placing judgement and justice upon those who OPPOSE HIM. I suggest if you want to discuss these issues take it to PM. But you blocked me ages ago anyways.
@xchampx You could interpret as some form of judgement but I was referring to the day of judgement which does not take place until after the millennium rule which comes about by Jesus killing those who oppose and ruling the nations with an iron rod. (See Ps 110) Btw, I don't remember blocking you but if I did then your not block any more.
You have no Idea what your talking about kid ....
Ok tell be about the morality in the story of Abraham. please indulge me, you seem to think you know right...... your a sheep kid.... emancipate your self... you make me laugh :)
I take it that you don't see the irony of God, selecting one particular Bronze-age tribe for special protection.
It's interesting to note that you seem to agree with principle that committing genocide on a group is morally ok if you have been attacked by them.
That position is uncomfortably close to the reasoning that Islamic suicide bombers use. I personally reject the idea that deliberately mass killing innocents as punishment for the offenses of others is in any sense morally defensible.
Your reading of the passages mentioned is valid, but unfortunately, so are the interpretations that Sam Harris makes.
Therein lies the liability of venerating texts that claim to be divine in origin: they say whatever is most appealing to the reader.
And to claim that the violence in the old testament is descriptive rather than prescriptive is to ignore the unavoidable. God picks sides in petty disputes, he endorses genocide, slavery and ethnic cleansing.
@mmaximk Typical Dawkins fans response. God doesn't just "kill" people because he doesn't like their race or whatever. He kills them due to them persecuting his appointed nation that will bring salvation to the world. I do not deny the violence in the old testament. I am saying we are not told to practice genocides. That is you manipulating it to what you want it to. Besides, in reality, in an atheistic perspective it shouldn't matter because the universe is literally meaningless.
@xchampx 1) Even if he kills them because they persecuted his nation, that would be morally wrong. You don't kill people who are doing bad things if you have the power to stop them and/or show them your power. 2) I don't think women, children, or animals were responsible for this persecution of the Israelites - and doubtful all the men. Nations were ruled by tiny groups of elites back then. It is impossible to morally justify Yahweh's actions.
It's true that the universe does not have "purpose" or "meaning". These are human ideas. What's the meaning of a star? What's the purpose of black holes? These questions don't make sense. However, this does not affect the basis of morality, which is the well-being of conscious creatures. I think what you're saying is: "why bother to do good because there's no vengeful being to cast evildoers into hell after death". True. This is why we'll have to eliminate evil in the here and now.
@Vincentaneous-Religion has been used as a strategy to enhance group survival in societies. But christianity is no different than the many other religions in the past that have done the exact same thing. Interestingly, according to a neurological study, is that Apple imagery activates the same parts of the brain in Apple fanboys that religious imagery does in followers of that religion, indicating religion is simply a neurological process of brain cognitive functioning. Apple is like religion
@Vincentaneous- the major difference is we know Steve Jobs is real. The biblical god share common factor with the Mesopotamian gods, roman gods, greek gods, muslim god, and so on. All rely on faith to "exist".
@Vincentaneous-to Apple fans. I agree, "purpose, meaning" are human ideas- stars collapse and galaxies collide all the time in the universe. Species have gone extinct. What was the purpose of it? "Why bother to do good if there is no one to punish you after death?" Humans will always form a system of ethics simply because it's part of our biology. It's needed for survival as a social species. Social animals are able to do this, so I doubt humans would be incapable of achieving it as well.
@Vincentaneous-Including the fact that we are on a collision course with the Andromeda galaxy. Our entire milky way could then be obliterated. There certainly is no purpose there. Dark energy, detected in recent observations and data, is accelerating the rate of expansion of the universe. It is pulling the universe apart faster than gravity can hold it together, thus the universe will keep expanding and rapidly accelerating and eventually become cold and dark. What is the design for that?
You mean not understood in the way you understood it...... not interpreted in the way you interpret it.
LogicalStatements3 2 days ago
Jesus did fulfill the law and the purpose of the law was to show that only one could keep it and that was Jesus. ANd now we are to move over and trust Jesus to live our lives.
The law was fulfilled when we trust Christ to live his life in us and thru us. So now we are dead to the law and no longer bound to it. For we are bound to Christ who lives and corrects and teaches and motivates us.
j919or 2 months ago
Nice video, man.
mooney137 4 months ago
@rashaan6 No. You really should wash your penis before anyone sucks on it. lol :P
chubbm 7 months ago
sam harris has a huge atheist following. please keep on dismantling sam harris. I was amazed you attacking sam harris, most christians are afraid to watch his videos.
footballunleashed 7 months ago
@footballunleashed I'm amazed that you attribute this as a dismantling of Sam Harris. Count the people in the bible that get obliterated, then count the ones who don't. It's simple. your god killed everything on the planet that wouldn't fit in a boat. Nice peaceful stuff.. It would scare you if it wasn't made up.
wondergundy 4 months ago
valid point.
4hq 7 months ago
Yeah, disable the ratings. Good call, otherwise people would know this video was shit BEFORE they watched it.
swampdonkey152000 8 months ago
Understand this about most atheist debators like Sam, their objective is to promote leftism. Atheism over christianity is a means to an end. Many christians like yourself frequently make the mistake of getting bogged down in addressing guys like Harris with theology. They do not really care what the Bible or what christians teach, or what christians have done. Their agenda is political, and christian faith is a political obstacle to the left. Grasp this.
LovingScrubbies 9 months ago
@LovingScrubbies
Hewitt, although not my favorite responder, is correct that Harris is not literate in history. Daekins is more intellectual honest than Sam, and Hitchens is also as well as more historically literate.
Better quality examples of this debate are Hitchens v. Rabbi Wolpe (multiple occasions), and Dawkins v. McGrath (an atheist to catholic convert).
LovingScrubbies 9 months ago
An "atheistic perspective" is a realistic assessment of the world. Atheist are simply people who do not believe in deities. That has nothing to do with behavior towards someone. Why does life have to have a purpose? Billions of other life forms continually live and die on Earth and there is no "purpose" for their existence. Yet they somehow live their life cycle. Our biological makeup naturally want to survive & ensure the survival of our species just like all other lifeforms.
rooio3 9 months ago
And if is the greatest commandment is to love god with all your heart, over love thy neighbor, what does that have to do with morality? That is simply a claim of belief. What does that have to do with actions or behavior towards others? Even in the old testament, why would it be considered moral to kill children and infants or rape girls of the enemy simply because their culture worshiped other gods or were considered a hindrance to Israel? Why are the children dispensable?
rooio3 9 months ago
So if the law of the old testament is transformed into this new law of the covenant of love thy neighbor, what of those who fulfill that law that aren't christians? Who then are the evildoers, if no one can be saved by observing the law of moses- are they those who don't believe in the christian god? How would that make them evil if they do the same things christians do by loving everyone equally? How does loving their neighbors with no belief in god make them moral evil in regard to actions?
rooio3 9 months ago
I did not understand what you meant when you said that the violence in the Bible is descriptive and not prescriptive because God does command the Israelites to go and commit genocide and kill basically anything that breathes in the promise land. (1 Sam 15:3)
Nazam44 9 months ago
@Nazam44 Yes he does. What I am saying is that he does not command CHRISTIANS to. He did at that particular time-FOR THE ISRAELITES. I'd be careful getting into this subject as a Muslim if I were you. Mohammad affirmed these things and did them as well.
xchampx 9 months ago
@xchampx I thought Christians are suppose to be the new Israel and God promises Israel the promise land but only by them exterminating all the population that live there and killing everything that breathes. (Deut 20:16) Even the peace that the NT speaks about will only first through violence by Jesus (Rev 19:11-21) It is interesting to notice that Jesus is actually portrayed more peaceful in the Quran than he appears in the Bible and also every other Jewish prophet that appears in the Quran.
Nazam44 9 months ago
@Nazam44 Way to distort the text. read verses 17 and 18 as well. It wasn't just to kill anyone. During that time. It was in defense.The Jesus of the Quran is a false Jesus. Jesus is the judge,but the funny thing is your Quran AFFIRMS the bible and the Torah. Yet, every Muslim has a different opinion. One Muslim says the bible is corrupt while others say its the word of God and distort it to try and
prove' a point. But its okay. According to the Muslims it's okay to lie.
xchampx 9 months ago
@xchampx I didn't mean to make you angry but I didn't quoted it out of contexts, however, I should have also referred you to Genesis (15:18:21) where God promises to give the land of the Canaanites,etc, to Abraham's descendants. That is the contexts against which Deuteronomy 20 falls under in which God tells Israel to take over and kill all pagans so that they are not entice to worship other gods like what happen to them with the Midianites, (Numbers 31:16).
Nazam44 9 months ago
@Nazam44 In addition, the Jesus in Revelation 19 is coming as the final Judge and Ironically you believe allah will come and judge everyone else so I don't see your problem. Double standards. The Jesus of the bible is judge and Lord. You degrade him and blaspheme the name of the Lord.
xchampx 9 months ago
@xchampx Do you do at anytime dialogue on Palktalk?
Nazam44 9 months ago
@xchampx I prefer to stick to one topic at a time. I only brought this up just to show that the picture of Jesus is more peaceful than in the Bible. Btw, the contexts in not to do with Judgement but Jesus estabshing his kingdom and ruling all nations with an iron rod for a 1000 years. After that will be the judgement and according to Mt the disciples will also be judging.
Nazam44 9 months ago
@Nazam44 Please address the issues then. You didn't refer to any passages, but in fact put your own twist on it. If you read Revelation 19:19-20 you see they are OPPOSING JESUS. So, once again this is Jesus placing judgement and justice upon those who OPPOSE HIM. I suggest if you want to discuss these issues take it to PM. But you blocked me ages ago anyways.
xchampx 9 months ago
@xchampx You could interpret as some form of judgement but I was referring to the day of judgement which does not take place until after the millennium rule which comes about by Jesus killing those who oppose and ruling the nations with an iron rod. (See Ps 110) Btw, I don't remember blocking you but if I did then your not block any more.
Nazam44 9 months ago
You have no Idea what your talking about kid ....
Ok tell be about the morality in the story of Abraham. please indulge me, you seem to think you know right...... your a sheep kid.... emancipate your self... you make me laugh :)
MultiLiquidsilver 9 months ago
@MultiLiquidsilver Instead of ad hominem attacks can you bring up points? Thanks.
xchampx 9 months ago
I take it that you don't see the irony of God, selecting one particular Bronze-age tribe for special protection.
It's interesting to note that you seem to agree with principle that committing genocide on a group is morally ok if you have been attacked by them.
That position is uncomfortably close to the reasoning that Islamic suicide bombers use. I personally reject the idea that deliberately mass killing innocents as punishment for the offenses of others is in any sense morally defensible.
mmaximk 9 months ago
Man! I can't believe there's a guy on YouTube addressing Christianity…and it's theologically sound!!! You ROCK!!! =)
KarisFaith316 9 months ago
Your reading of the passages mentioned is valid, but unfortunately, so are the interpretations that Sam Harris makes.
Therein lies the liability of venerating texts that claim to be divine in origin: they say whatever is most appealing to the reader.
And to claim that the violence in the old testament is descriptive rather than prescriptive is to ignore the unavoidable. God picks sides in petty disputes, he endorses genocide, slavery and ethnic cleansing.
mmaximk 9 months ago
@mmaximk Typical Dawkins fans response. God doesn't just "kill" people because he doesn't like their race or whatever. He kills them due to them persecuting his appointed nation that will bring salvation to the world. I do not deny the violence in the old testament. I am saying we are not told to practice genocides. That is you manipulating it to what you want it to. Besides, in reality, in an atheistic perspective it shouldn't matter because the universe is literally meaningless.
xchampx 9 months ago
@xchampx 1) Even if he kills them because they persecuted his nation, that would be morally wrong. You don't kill people who are doing bad things if you have the power to stop them and/or show them your power. 2) I don't think women, children, or animals were responsible for this persecution of the Israelites - and doubtful all the men. Nations were ruled by tiny groups of elites back then. It is impossible to morally justify Yahweh's actions.
Vincentaneous 9 months ago
It's true that the universe does not have "purpose" or "meaning". These are human ideas. What's the meaning of a star? What's the purpose of black holes? These questions don't make sense. However, this does not affect the basis of morality, which is the well-being of conscious creatures. I think what you're saying is: "why bother to do good because there's no vengeful being to cast evildoers into hell after death". True. This is why we'll have to eliminate evil in the here and now.
Vincentaneous 9 months ago
@Vincentaneous-Religion has been used as a strategy to enhance group survival in societies. But christianity is no different than the many other religions in the past that have done the exact same thing. Interestingly, according to a neurological study, is that Apple imagery activates the same parts of the brain in Apple fanboys that religious imagery does in followers of that religion, indicating religion is simply a neurological process of brain cognitive functioning. Apple is like religion
rooio3 9 months ago
@rooio3 So Steve Jobs has a lot in common with God: He creates innovative stuff and then gets angry when people question its imperfections.
Vincentaneous 9 months ago
@Vincentaneous- the major difference is we know Steve Jobs is real. The biblical god share common factor with the Mesopotamian gods, roman gods, greek gods, muslim god, and so on. All rely on faith to "exist".
rooio3 9 months ago
@Vincentaneous-to Apple fans. I agree, "purpose, meaning" are human ideas- stars collapse and galaxies collide all the time in the universe. Species have gone extinct. What was the purpose of it? "Why bother to do good if there is no one to punish you after death?" Humans will always form a system of ethics simply because it's part of our biology. It's needed for survival as a social species. Social animals are able to do this, so I doubt humans would be incapable of achieving it as well.
rooio3 9 months ago 2
@Vincentaneous-Including the fact that we are on a collision course with the Andromeda galaxy. Our entire milky way could then be obliterated. There certainly is no purpose there. Dark energy, detected in recent observations and data, is accelerating the rate of expansion of the universe. It is pulling the universe apart faster than gravity can hold it together, thus the universe will keep expanding and rapidly accelerating and eventually become cold and dark. What is the design for that?
rooio3 9 months ago
i like what you trying to do
bullenchris18 9 months ago
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coryburbeck 9 months ago