“Special Rules”? …and if he loses again will they make yet more “Special Rules” until he finally wins one? Shamrock is retired and if he beats Toney I suppose next time Toney will ask to fight an 80 year old MMA fighter providing the MMA fighter is blindfolded. LOL. What a freggin loser Toney is. Outta be ashamed to ask for “Special Rules”. Man-up crybaby and fight the regular rules or shut up you blubber-lipped wimp.
I can't stand MMA anymore... I dunno if it's something about the way I percieve it or if it just doesn't really serve the purposes That boxing does... I guess I prefer the brutalityand damage now as opposed to the soft MMA stuff they have now...
I don't care what James Toney says because he's at the end of his career and he's just blowing smoke. He can't even succeed in Boxing anymore, let alone in a sport totally foreign to him against a better conditioned opponent. I never said he wasn't to blame, nor did I pin it on anybody else, so why you keep bringing that up I don't know. Nobody cares about that fight anyway.
It doesn't matter if its his own fight or if he wanted. If he's not qualified to fight then the victory is meanningless. Couture is odler than Toney, but its in his specialty and what he's good at, where its foreign to Toney. Plus, Couture has't taken anywhere near the damage Toney has throughout his years and years of boxing.
lol i think james tony needs to become a trainer .. like pernal Whitaker that trains zab.B-Hop won the championship cus hes not in the heavyweight division , the klits have all the belts now and whatever theyre say goes.i think toney needs to step down to light heavyweight which seems impossible at the moment lol heavyweight division has less options to look around for then other divisions that are so much more competitive.i think james tony needs a year off to make weight for lightHW match upa
You say that James should go back to ESPN and get his name back. That would make sence if Toney havent the IBA title in lesser division. I dont get why everybody scared to fight him
@TheGreatLyger i grew out of wrestling when i was 18 i'm an observant individual, i also had a video using wrestling as a metaphor to boxing politics months ago
@julianfoster88 shamrock is not just a wrestler he is a submission master on the ground he is amazing the fight you seen with tito ortiz he lost because he was past his prime tito never had the balls to face him back in the day cos he knew ken would wipe the floor with him he even buckled him in there first fight the problem with ken is he stands and bangs with fighters who are far better strikers then he is check him out vs don frye to see what i meen as for toney being the best boxer no chance
@TheGreatLyger true never understood why ppl are afraid to admit it why they are hiding in the closet...nothing to be ashamed of I have been a Wrestling fan ever since 1999 and still going never will give up on it...a lot of ppl don't know anything about the buisness and they seem to act as if they have wrestled before and Ken Shamrock is a legend in MMA not in the Wrestling biz and Ken helped build UFC up where it is today since it's underground days...
they where offering couture alot of money to fight toney in a rematch in boxing but he refused it so thats y hes fighting shamrock mma style but with some rules like they can hit the canvas for more than 30 sec and its gonna B 8rd 3min each
As a die hard fight fan, I'm stoked to see Shamrock and Lights Out throw down. I'd like to see James Toney fight Tank Abbott. Im old school and new school and they both will have time to considerably train. Id like to see these men slug it out. This one would be for the fans. I don't know about the mixed rules lets see what happens.
@stoplyinn hell no thats y those guys dont give him a chance cause they know their gonna win and thers no money in that fight because all the boxing fans know toney is done for already
WTF????? man this world is turning CRAZY! to old farts r gonna compete, one is a 47 year old alcoholic and the other one is a 42 yeard old heavily retarted man who can't even pronounce his mom's name
James Toney is too old to be fighting even in Boxing anymore. And he showed up so fat and out of shape against Couture, that anyone could have beat him that night. Randy ebating him was nothing to be proud of. Now if James Toney was young and in his prime, at an actual fighting weight, that would be different. He could win. But not at 42, not in his kind of shape, and not when he's fighting just to draw attention.
Depends on rules...Toney would fux Shamrocks stand up, Shamrock likes to box. If Shamrocks allowed to take Toney down then he'd fux toneys lights out. Just like Randy did, Shamrocks a submission fighter.
Shamrock is strong *cough*roids*cough* but no stronger then Tony, Toneys had bigger punchers after him for sure. Toneys too defencivly sound for any MMA fighter and too good offencivly for Shamrock to deal with.
There both idiots so who knows. A clever MMA guy would do the obvious. Not stand.
It was Randy Couture that beat James Toney in the UFC. They recently offered Couture 1 million dollars to fight Toney in a boxing match and he declined.
At this point I think James is trying to get the biggest payday available. And Ken Shamrock is kind of a legend in UFC so this is just a cash out for both fighters imo
Ken and Toney are both has been's at this point. They might as well do a WWE match. Toney is punchy I think. There is no reason for the K.bros to fight Toney. At this point Toney is shot and would get fucked up. Toney better call out Holyfield or Tommy Morrison.
Also to offer some insight on how Shamrock fights his standup(aka his striking) is ok, Toney has the advantage here. But Shamrock likes to either press people against the cage and take them down or shoot for a takedown. His fighting style is submission wrestling.
As an mma fan Shamrock hasnt been popular for years...hes more iconic if anything. Shamrock wont stand with Toney, it all comes down to if Shamrock can take Toney down.
I think James is trying to build a fan-base off these carnival events to squeeze the rest of the value out of his name. Toney & Shamrock are done. Is this Toney's way for Boxing to prevail over UFC? It's ain't MMA or Boxing so WTF is it?
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“Special Rules”? …and if he loses again will they make yet more “Special Rules” until he finally wins one? Shamrock is retired and if he beats Toney I suppose next time Toney will ask to fight an 80 year old MMA fighter providing the MMA fighter is blindfolded. LOL. What a freggin loser Toney is. Outta be ashamed to ask for “Special Rules”. Man-up crybaby and fight the regular rules or shut up you blubber-lipped wimp.
007westleysadler 3 months ago
Ummmm,ok get that cock out of your mouth boy
cangoods100 7 months ago
The Tito fight was after Shamrock started to go to hell...
J0k3r4U 7 months ago
I can't stand MMA anymore... I dunno if it's something about the way I percieve it or if it just doesn't really serve the purposes That boxing does... I guess I prefer the brutalityand damage now as opposed to the soft MMA stuff they have now...
J0k3r4U 7 months ago
I was a huge fan of wrestling back then too!
xD
J0k3r4U 7 months ago
julian william eats his mums poo
kingdaleclarke 7 months ago
@kingdaleclarke yea but my name is Julian Williams asshole get the name right, and faceless Dale Clarke swallows horse semen.
julianfoster88 7 months ago 2
I don't care what James Toney says because he's at the end of his career and he's just blowing smoke. He can't even succeed in Boxing anymore, let alone in a sport totally foreign to him against a better conditioned opponent. I never said he wasn't to blame, nor did I pin it on anybody else, so why you keep bringing that up I don't know. Nobody cares about that fight anyway.
Rockyfan10060 7 months ago
It doesn't matter if its his own fight or if he wanted. If he's not qualified to fight then the victory is meanningless. Couture is odler than Toney, but its in his specialty and what he's good at, where its foreign to Toney. Plus, Couture has't taken anywhere near the damage Toney has throughout his years and years of boxing.
Rockyfan10060 7 months ago
lol i think james tony needs to become a trainer .. like pernal Whitaker that trains zab.B-Hop won the championship cus hes not in the heavyweight division , the klits have all the belts now and whatever theyre say goes.i think toney needs to step down to light heavyweight which seems impossible at the moment lol heavyweight division has less options to look around for then other divisions that are so much more competitive.i think james tony needs a year off to make weight for lightHW match upa
TheRey4you 7 months ago
You contradicted yourself, and for those of the people that don't like the idea of who's fighting won't watch it. That's usually how it works.
whateverwiththis 7 months ago
i think the fight would be fun to watch.
sk8forlife90 8 months ago
and I agree Julian either fight in a the ring or the cage...
keithownseveryone09 8 months ago
You say that James should go back to ESPN and get his name back. That would make sence if Toney havent the IBA title in lesser division. I dont get why everybody scared to fight him
KravaLLT 8 months ago
Don't be a hater bro. Mixed rules make things fair for both legends.
BandakaKush 8 months ago
I love it when people try to pretend they aren't wrestling fans......
TheGreatLyger 8 months ago
@TheGreatLyger i grew out of wrestling when i was 18 i'm an observant individual, i also had a video using wrestling as a metaphor to boxing politics months ago
julianfoster88 8 months ago
@julianfoster88 shamrock is not just a wrestler he is a submission master on the ground he is amazing the fight you seen with tito ortiz he lost because he was past his prime tito never had the balls to face him back in the day cos he knew ken would wipe the floor with him he even buckled him in there first fight the problem with ken is he stands and bangs with fighters who are far better strikers then he is check him out vs don frye to see what i meen as for toney being the best boxer no chance
MrManmountainrock 8 months ago
@julianfoster88 i ment one of the best boxers
MrManmountainrock 8 months ago
@TheGreatLyger true never understood why ppl are afraid to admit it why they are hiding in the closet...nothing to be ashamed of I have been a Wrestling fan ever since 1999 and still going never will give up on it...a lot of ppl don't know anything about the buisness and they seem to act as if they have wrestled before and Ken Shamrock is a legend in MMA not in the Wrestling biz and Ken helped build UFC up where it is today since it's underground days...
keithownseveryone09 8 months ago
they where offering couture alot of money to fight toney in a rematch in boxing but he refused it so thats y hes fighting shamrock mma style but with some rules like they can hit the canvas for more than 30 sec and its gonna B 8rd 3min each
jaythekinginthe323 8 months ago
As a die hard fight fan, I'm stoked to see Shamrock and Lights Out throw down. I'd like to see James Toney fight Tank Abbott. Im old school and new school and they both will have time to considerably train. Id like to see these men slug it out. This one would be for the fans. I don't know about the mixed rules lets see what happens.
GeorgeOrwell1984NWO 8 months ago
You said it right man! Toney is so done. He must be in need of money.
muclesmarinara 8 months ago
do you think Toney would have a chance against Haye and the Klitschkos
stoplyinn 8 months ago
@stoplyinn hell no thats y those guys dont give him a chance cause they know their gonna win and thers no money in that fight because all the boxing fans know toney is done for already
jaythekinginthe323 8 months ago
Also Ken Shamrock was NEVER a good fighter
MARKbratva 8 months ago
@MARKbratva he was a street fighter.
muclesmarinara 8 months ago
both old, both legends in each sport, it's an even match, superior hands vs a martial artist
MobiusX 8 months ago
WTF????? man this world is turning CRAZY! to old farts r gonna compete, one is a 47 year old alcoholic and the other one is a 42 yeard old heavily retarted man who can't even pronounce his mom's name
MARKbratva 8 months ago
James Toney is too old to be fighting even in Boxing anymore. And he showed up so fat and out of shape against Couture, that anyone could have beat him that night. Randy ebating him was nothing to be proud of. Now if James Toney was young and in his prime, at an actual fighting weight, that would be different. He could win. But not at 42, not in his kind of shape, and not when he's fighting just to draw attention.
Rockyfan10060 8 months ago
Depends on rules...Toney would fux Shamrocks stand up, Shamrock likes to box. If Shamrocks allowed to take Toney down then he'd fux toneys lights out. Just like Randy did, Shamrocks a submission fighter.
Shamrock is strong *cough*roids*cough* but no stronger then Tony, Toneys had bigger punchers after him for sure. Toneys too defencivly sound for any MMA fighter and too good offencivly for Shamrock to deal with.
There both idiots so who knows. A clever MMA guy would do the obvious. Not stand.
evilmickey 8 months ago
Everything depends on Toneys weight. If He weighs in more than 220+ he'll lose, mark my words. Looks like Toney is lighter right now
KravaLLT 8 months ago
Toney beat Griffin both times but he got robbed. Every boxing fan knows that
KravaLLT 8 months ago
It was Randy Couture that beat James Toney in the UFC. They recently offered Couture 1 million dollars to fight Toney in a boxing match and he declined.
At this point I think James is trying to get the biggest payday available. And Ken Shamrock is kind of a legend in UFC so this is just a cash out for both fighters imo
thisisgame 8 months ago
Ken and Toney are both has been's at this point. They might as well do a WWE match. Toney is punchy I think. There is no reason for the K.bros to fight Toney. At this point Toney is shot and would get fucked up. Toney better call out Holyfield or Tommy Morrison.
hawkermustang 8 months ago
Also to offer some insight on how Shamrock fights his standup(aka his striking) is ok, Toney has the advantage here. But Shamrock likes to either press people against the cage and take them down or shoot for a takedown. His fighting style is submission wrestling.
Hope this helped :).
TeHGoodReverend 8 months ago
As an mma fan Shamrock hasnt been popular for years...hes more iconic if anything. Shamrock wont stand with Toney, it all comes down to if Shamrock can take Toney down.
TeHGoodReverend 8 months ago
I'll tell you why it's being made, because Shamrock is currently as relevant in MMA as Toney is in Boxing at the moment.
916Chris 8 months ago
good analysis as per usual.
Brandonian3030 8 months ago
James Toney needs to retire the guy has got so much damage !!!
DarthMuse 8 months ago
@DarthMuse Agree I do not want to see him get destroy again .
RKOFTW89 8 months ago
I think James is trying to build a fan-base off these carnival events to squeeze the rest of the value out of his name. Toney & Shamrock are done. Is this Toney's way for Boxing to prevail over UFC? It's ain't MMA or Boxing so WTF is it?
OMGsDRugz 8 months ago
maybe he wants mixed rules so that he can actually last a full round this time.
BazookaIke 8 months ago