I'm sure Crammy could have run low 1:42's. Even Coe has said that when one is top shape, you can go out in 49 or 50 and it takes no more energy than going out in 52 on the day. Cram's coach was notorious for saying Cram was in record breaking shape every time out. I think Coe was more a pure 800 man than Cram. Cram was good but Coe was the ultimate.
To be fair to McKean, he'd always aimed to reach a peak at the Europeans rather than the Commonwealth, which were, after all, far less important. There was only actually 24 days between the 1500 final in Edinburgh and the heats of the 800m. McKean must have put in a lot of quality work in the interim to improve so markedly.
@deano27671 One can sharpen quite a bit in three weeks. I think Cram was overreaching thinking he could stay sharp and win four titles over two championships over a month or so. The Commonwealth wins were great but the level of competition was not as high as at the Euros and the Africans boycotted the Commonwealth in 86, although Cram would have won anyway. He was in shape for low 1:42 in the 800 there. But three and a half weeks later he was probably getting a bit stale.
It was made quite clear in the athletics press here at the time that Coe & Mckean were aiming to peak in Stuttgart while Cram was focussing on the Commonwealth. There was 3 days between Cram's heats (in 1:51 & 1:49) and the final, so it was more of a one off grand prix run. He had a very clear run and ran very even splits of 51.7 & 51.5, just the way he liked to run the 800m. He was flat out on that 2nd lap and I doubt if he could have run below 1:42.5 at that time or any other in his career.
In the Europeans, the competition was much fiercer as was the intensity; 3 races on consecutive days run in 1:46, 1:46 and 1:44. It's a completely different type of build up. Given the same scenario in Edinburgh, I doubt he'd have run as fast as he did. The weekend the Europeans started, Jim Hedley (Cram's coach) said in The Times that Cram was in "the best shape of his life" and that he was confident he'd win both titles there.
Coe's run of 1:44.5 was worth c. 1:43.6 in the final, based solely on the fact he ran most of the first and last bends slightly wide and practically all of the 2nd bend (past the bell) in lane 3 - that's about 7m more distance covered than had he stayed in lane 1.
His laps of 52.8/51.7 were more like 52.6/50.9 had he run just 800m. To then put a 24.8 on the end of that (more like 24.6 had he been able to run on inside of lane 1) in a Championship race, means he was certainly capable of mid 1:42 in a paced circuit run with a 50.5 first 400m. We'll never know whether Coe would have been in the same sort of form for Edinburgh, but certainly by Stuttgart he was IMO better than Cram had been a few weeks later.
Sorry, it was another race he was in lane 3. Just seen he was wide in lane 2, but the total extra distance for that bend alone would have been 4m +. It would still have gotten on for 7-8m for the 2 laps, so all the rest I have written here I stand by.
I'm sure Crammy could have run low 1:42's. Even Coe has said that when one is top shape, you can go out in 49 or 50 and it takes no more energy than going out in 52 on the day. Cram's coach was notorious for saying Cram was in record breaking shape every time out. I think Coe was more a pure 800 man than Cram. Cram was good but Coe was the ultimate.
jmcd2v 1 year ago
To be fair to McKean, he'd always aimed to reach a peak at the Europeans rather than the Commonwealth, which were, after all, far less important. There was only actually 24 days between the 1500 final in Edinburgh and the heats of the 800m. McKean must have put in a lot of quality work in the interim to improve so markedly.
deano27671 2 years ago
@deano27671 One can sharpen quite a bit in three weeks. I think Cram was overreaching thinking he could stay sharp and win four titles over two championships over a month or so. The Commonwealth wins were great but the level of competition was not as high as at the Euros and the Africans boycotted the Commonwealth in 86, although Cram would have won anyway. He was in shape for low 1:42 in the 800 there. But three and a half weeks later he was probably getting a bit stale.
jmcd2v 1 year ago
It was made quite clear in the athletics press here at the time that Coe & Mckean were aiming to peak in Stuttgart while Cram was focussing on the Commonwealth. There was 3 days between Cram's heats (in 1:51 & 1:49) and the final, so it was more of a one off grand prix run. He had a very clear run and ran very even splits of 51.7 & 51.5, just the way he liked to run the 800m. He was flat out on that 2nd lap and I doubt if he could have run below 1:42.5 at that time or any other in his career.
deano27671 1 year ago
In the Europeans, the competition was much fiercer as was the intensity; 3 races on consecutive days run in 1:46, 1:46 and 1:44. It's a completely different type of build up. Given the same scenario in Edinburgh, I doubt he'd have run as fast as he did. The weekend the Europeans started, Jim Hedley (Cram's coach) said in The Times that Cram was in "the best shape of his life" and that he was confident he'd win both titles there.
deano27671 1 year ago
Coe's run of 1:44.5 was worth c. 1:43.6 in the final, based solely on the fact he ran most of the first and last bends slightly wide and practically all of the 2nd bend (past the bell) in lane 3 - that's about 7m more distance covered than had he stayed in lane 1.
deano27671 1 year ago
His laps of 52.8/51.7 were more like 52.6/50.9 had he run just 800m. To then put a 24.8 on the end of that (more like 24.6 had he been able to run on inside of lane 1) in a Championship race, means he was certainly capable of mid 1:42 in a paced circuit run with a 50.5 first 400m. We'll never know whether Coe would have been in the same sort of form for Edinburgh, but certainly by Stuttgart he was IMO better than Cram had been a few weeks later.
deano27671 1 year ago
Sorry, it was another race he was in lane 3. Just seen he was wide in lane 2, but the total extra distance for that bend alone would have been 4m +. It would still have gotten on for 7-8m for the 2 laps, so all the rest I have written here I stand by.
deano27671 1 year ago