Wing chun guys like a mirror, just following the other guys hands. I love the way he's cycling through different moves rather than just staying in the regular man sao wu sao guard.
That JKD guy is not being as mobile as he should... Wing Chun's weakness is it's lack of mobility. so, it makes more snse to fight with quick foot work which is both balanced and fast.
HURRAY for Wing Tsun; but at 1:10 you guys start going for real a bit, or at least increase speed yet you make no contact. If the speed is slow like a turtle then contact is not necessary, but if you go THIS fast you better be wearing gear+padding and make 50-70% power. Otherwise all you are doing is training and conditioning yourself not to hit somebody.
Try to understand more about the principles, and do more real sparring, so you'll understand. "nearest weapon closest target", "no telegrafing", "economy of motion", and lots of things, you have to learn and practise, because that's what JKD is about.
Nevermind, the trapping was kind of good.
But i can't really judge just by watching this video. I have to see this in real sparring. =D
i like how their moves are clear cut but they lack a bit of fluidity, i guess over time they can perfect it more. it takes a lot of patience to master wing chun or come even close.
i think this is a good demonstration, forward energy doesnt work against an opponent who is much larger and stronger than you, so angles are incorporated in wing chun in order to overcome an opponent with a longer reach. You cant always go down the center.
That's not Wing Chun BUT it is an excellent job of attempting Wing Chun. WC is a precise science, violate the principles of physics and it falls apart. This includes distancing, using only forward energy (not those sideways pushes) and so much more. Again this is a thoughtful demonstration but it does not show the amazing application abilities of WC using the physics that make it a unique style.
What I have noticed about the JKD guy is that he is not using his feet to much. Also his lead punches are not too stretched outwards. He is really not experienced with JKD, this is a lethal technique that should not be taken lightly. Plus he is not even using his other hands to parry opponents blow. I would say this is a crappy video.
JKD was developed from Wing Chun, Bruce Lee disliked forms, because it hinders your ability to move freely. Apart from that, the universal concept of JKD was the ability to adapt, the first concept of JKD was to intercept a punch, that's why it's called "the way of the intercepting fist" but after he got hospitalized he became more mature and researched more about philosophy, and later applied what he learned. Also when you practice JKD you must be able to think quickly and adapt.
@KoolitPnoi all though bruce lees original basis for jeet kune do was wing chun it was really only a foundation the majority of jeet kune do was actually a combination of boxing and fensing
и в спецслужбах в германии не просто так винчун занимаются!!!! просто не все его понимают так как надо !! конечно если это розмашистые красивые движения как во вьетнамском винчун то в ральном бою это не прокатит!!винчун наматывание противника как на колесо крутящееся вперед!! эти движения вперед через верх бесконечные развивают в винчунисте агресивную ударную работу против противника что очень важно в бою!!!!
здесь просто тренировочный вариант без прохождения в противника в разрез так как это приведет к травме!!! винчун на самом деле очень агресивный стиль!!! суть техники вертикальная работа через верх как циркулярная пила.как освальтный каток !!! бой винчунистов похож на собачий бой питбулей!! винчун всегда был секретный семейный клановый стиль!!! брюсли не просто так был отличным бойцом все это благодаря винчун!винчунист это воин а не спортсмен который один на один в своей весовой категории!!!
@Berserkergeng It's good. As many of the more elder teachers have said, wing chun students now rely too much on contact and that the lack of contact can be better at times because contact works the same both ways. If I can feel you intention you can feel mine if I can't hide it.
The wing chun guy here seems a bit odd though and the jeet kune do guy seems inexperienced.
@TheMasterwinnie Ip or Yip, the transliteration from chinese to roman letters is not an exact science. Hanyu Pinyin wasn't even official accepted until like the late 80's, which is a more accepted form of transliteration. Look, before you speak up to call out a mistake, just be sure you know what your talking about is my only point. In my school, through Ho Kam Ming to Augustine Fong, we say Ho Kam Ming learned under Yip Man, Wing Chun and Gung Fu. I don't care that other spell it different.
@stephenrobertrae He chain punches you while falling down, and when he's down he stomps your legs, traps them in order for you tu lose your balance, then he traps you dislocating some of your articulations.
@stephenrobertrae No I am not. I personally do not agree with this method, I just told you what they teach you when it comes to approach the situation you mentioned. I have been practicing Judo for 9 years, Jeet Kune Do for 5 years, and now I am practicing Wing Tsun System (Leon Ting) because I wanted to know something about JKD original core...
....and yes, also to keep myself in shape :)
In my opinion JKD (Jun Fan) is the most effective technique.
@stephenrobertrae I really don't think a BJJ guy will ever take down a JKD practitioner. You clearly know nothing about JKD and its very first principle about fighting lenght. Also, you should know that JKD include ground fighting as well. Whoever practice more than one street fighting technique, inclunding JKD, will always be in advantage. But I see that it's pretty much useless discussing with you, so you can stay with your knowledge if this can help you sleep better. Bye.
@stephenrobertrae your comment is kinda old but in wing chun there is technics for when your on the ground ofc they are not very populer around the net(or in the movies) because they dont look that cool but yeh they are rly good . and in the end the style dont matter but the person if you dont feel comferbull in the style your learning then your not for there
The wing chun guy is very good but his footwork and constant hand movement is very non-tradational. If you look at IP man, for example, he keeps his body still and waits to attack. But I think it is cool non the less.
Bruce would be incredibly disappointed in your bickerings of what the better fighting style is. "When one has reached maturity in the art, one will have a formless form. It is like ice dissolving in water. When one has no form, one can be all forms; when one has no style, he can fit in with any style."
@convener777 But you have to understand that MMA is not a style. Its a mixture of many, many different styles. MMA is the proof that Bruce Lee was right. No one style is extremely superior to another in MMA, the point of MMA is to take the best parts of each martial art and use it in a way that is cognitive to the sport. Bruce's Jeet Kune Do had a lot in common with MMA. He emphasized stand up fighting, as well as ground fighting. Jeet Kune Do was one of the earliest forms of "Mixed Martial Arts
@narwhalsandjuice. I just think that people are wanting to join these martial arts classes to learn self defense are wasting their money or getting ripped off ... I agree with you on the comment about Bruce Lee, however, watching MMA in action I think the most dominant and successful form is Brazilian Jujitsu. A lot of MMA fighters have been successful with this form of fighting.
@convener777 However, what if you are facing someone who has good takedown defense and is a good striker? You cant train in only BJJ and expect to win every fight. True, BJJ stands out as an effective ground game, but wrestling can also be immensely successful. A lot of martial arts will also teach you self defense techniques that arent usable in MMA, but will help you protect yourself on the streets. The concepts and principles of Jeet Kune Do can be applied to any martial art, really.
@narwhalsandjuice. I haven't seen any street fight on Youtube or any other website that have used affective Jeet Kune Do. If you do find any footage in a street fight that have used Jeet Kune Do please let me know.
@narwhalsandjuice actually jeet kune do was not one of the earliest forms of mma. in reality almost every martial arts original form was a mix of multiple forms ie mixed martial arts. if you were to go back in time and look at fights between two martial artists in china cerca 1800s and befor you wouldnt see the kung fu you see in movies it would have been very brutal very realistic and alot of people died in the fights cont
@narwhalsandjuice cont the common belief now a days is that in traditional martial arts you only focus on stand up. but in reality if you were to go to china and go to an authentic martial arts school you would find hat they teach all aspects of fighting from stand up to ground fighting infact every form of kung fo teaches you combat effective grappling such as chin-na techniques
Both are absolutley shit...have either of you even ever sparred full contact ever ...or do you just play endless patty cake games of "tag" .Try this rubbish on a decent mma or muaythai guy
@1fitkbox Firstly, both guys are doing a demonstration, they are not pretending they are really fighting, just demonstrating reactions and chi sao. Secondly, do you actually know what MMA is? It seems that people have decided that MMA is a specific martial art, therefore no longer MMA
@hotmale4u91 Err hellooo ...anybody in...helloooo...!!! eerr yeah, after 29 years training in 7 different styles, I know exactly what they are doing, its quality training time being wasted by doing hopeless techniques that in real life dont work...trapping doesnt work against skilled fighters, it works on muppets, Wing Chuns guys & JKD guys, no other type of person will it work on. Hence...these styles should stick together bless them....(you too)
@1fitkbox and in reality they would be dead instantly,with a fak sau to the throat or a biu ji to the eyes!! wing chun is not for boxing gloves it is too lethal,i am a teacher and ahve boxed for 13 years.you are talking through your hole!!
Bruce never used jkd to strike 1st. Smarter then that. That's y jkd is really for defense. Wing Chung mixed with other fighting styles. So it's wing Chung upgraded. Just like people who or pros at jkd would not lose. Tommy corethers I spelled last name wrong but hes a jkd pro
If you talk shit about a martial art that you dont even know, or about a martial artist that you havent met and fought with, you are too ignorant fool and close minded, you don't deserve to be trained in martial arts.
Martial arts are not about violence, no matter which style you practice, if you are tought different, then its not a martial *ART* its mere fighting, and even dogs know how to fight!
@Jellyman5536887 I was thinking the same thing....he's pretty damn good too! his dancing and wing chun is good.. i was very impressed, his footwork was on point as well as his control of the centerline..
He follows his opponent's motions with blocks & does not maintain his own line.
Don't say this is good Wing Chun defense; it isn't. Guy in black is allowing his opponent to time the fight. That is not worthwhile for him to practice.
Don't say this is good Wing Chun partner training; it isn't.
It reinforces REACTIONS on the part of the receiver while the opponent, feeling little intention from his partner, has no impetus to safeguard his line.
Wing-tchun is a dream for people who wish they could fight. Chain punches are nasty against opponents that does not move and use hooks. The problem is when you use them with the elbow in you will be open for a hook on your cheek. Please don't come up with the i will strike you first crap because a good boxer always move he's head before he hit with a hook.
Seriously the fighter he face is a amatour... No muscles at all. He's speed is weak and he got no combinations. Sure vs that kind of loser i would also look like a super master.
jeet kun do is more of a philosophical style then a physical one, when bruce lee created it he used techniques from all different styles that he saw and tried.
It complemented his style and filled in any perceived weakness's that he thought he had, also it gave him a wider array of techniques to draw upon. Jeet kun do is more of an mma type style since it mixed and matched things that the individual needed, like some moves are good if your short etc
Many say the WC guy here is very good, But sorry i dont think that, I only see a retard who cant strike.
Boxing: You jab to open, then you strike with your right, or you jab then a body blow and then a uppercut. I only see some strange hits that does not even reach the WC guy.
Kick Boxing: Open with a jab then a front lowkick, Step back pushkick and then a straight right. I only see a roundhouse kick without even open the opponent up, thats insane!
I practice wing chun...but it should noted that true Jeet kwon do, takes all martial arts and uses techniques from all of them, jeet kwon do IS wing chun if that is what is appropriate in that situation, just as jeet kwon do, is a simple kick to the leg with no martial art training, if that is all that is needed to resolve the issue. Street fighting, is Jeet Kwon do, all fighting really, is Jeet kwon do.
dude this foo can close the distance while that old fart is doing is hand mime routine and take his ass to the ground hmm.....me thinks wing chun is ineffective
@DAN5201314 I practice Wing Chun myself, and I have to admit, this guy is pretty good. I like how he alternates his hands, and feet. It shows that Wing Chun truly doesn't favor any side. Squared ftw !
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Bruce's philosophy that one should generally not kick high unless it was situationally called for? The JKD guy kicked high
While Muay Thai is a great martial art and Wing Chun is primarily a striking art, Wing chun does have techinques that address knee strikes. Also I am assuming the Wing chun guy here is a beginner.
the guy in black has much better wing chun technique than a lot of people ive seen on youtube, at least in his hands, but his feet are wierd, and he moves his core wayy too much, he should be in control, not moving his upper body around.
Maybe or maybe Bruce Lee couldn't wait to teach Wing Chun, when was told he couldn't he made JKD. He only did it a couple of years. Perhaps you should go check out a class and maybe ask for a friendly spar. Nothing is be all and end all as it all depends on the person.
@T0MU bruce lee taught what worked for him. it doesn't necessarily work for u. that's why it's ultimately ur own path what type of martial artist will u be
Wow this has been the best wing chung training video I have ever seen, I mean the other guy was moving like everyone does in a fight and the other guys was using nothing but wing chung. Wow that's amazing how he makes wing chung looks.
I'm no expert, but it looks to me that the WC guy embodies the principals of JKD better than the JKD guy. The JKD guy is coming off more like a boxer.
but the main target of JKD is to intercept the enemy movement and his attack.. i think the mistake of the JKD fighter was to attack with a plan and not to react, which is the principe of Lee's idea....
@Solandrios Bruce Lee always said stuff along the lines of "Simplicity" you just do what it natrual and efective for you, block punch with punch, block kick with kick.
@TheTurkishFalcon Wtf? You idget. Don't you think I know this? I never got in the habit of idly trolling videos and making uniformed comments. And you oversimplify in leaps and bounds. He didn't just take this and add that, he completely re-examined his system. His goal was to cut as much as possible, not add anything. Substitutions? Why, yes, there were quite a few, and they weren't limited to just boxing, fencing, and kung fu, they also encompassed techniques from Savate, Muay Thai, Jujitsu,
@TheTurkishFalcon (cont.) , Judo, and many others. There is no 'super art' that combines 'all the best fighting styles', period. What my original comment was referring to was the JKD guy was exhibiting more of the characteristics of a pure boxer, as opposed to JKD. The WC man on the other hand exhibits, quite successfully, concepts of Attack by Combination, Attack by Drawing, Progressive Indirect Attack, Simultaneous Block and Attack, Conservation of Movement, and many other JKD principles.
@TheTurkishFalcon The problem is that Bruce Lee didn't finish learning Wing Chun, but complained about a lot of things in it. If he would have finished it, he would have found out that it wasn't bad as he said it was.
@Solandrios JKD is founded by Bruce Lee , and he is a student of Ip Man , the master of WC ... so JKD is founded based on WC and other style of kung fu etc that i am not sure and combined them together
@Niadien Have ya ever noticed that Boxers on TV use the pat-technique (as you put it), to great effect. Yeah, right! Some people crack me up. Its funny to me that if you ask a boxer whats the best art, he will say boxing. Karate man, will say Karate. And best of all, Caprioara will say Caprioara! LMFAO! Wing Chun is up there with many of the best arts. Thats all there is to the story. If I had to pick 3 of the best (in no order): Wing Chun Jujitsu or maybe Aikido Thai Boxing!
@Niadien same....you never know just how well one knows his technique until he really needs to use it to protect himself...a lot of people are very good when sparring..but the technique still hasnt become instinct to them.
in a real fight his blocks would have the power to break the guys arms...it's not very realistic to use full power in sparring, without breaking your partner...then who are you going to practice with.
@phatdriver JKD is not useless, it is basically a derivative of Ving Tsun. I take both and the Wing Chun helps me get more out of the JKD hand work. But the JKD makes me feel like more of a complete fighter, but you should only learn from a legit trainer and good school. You can tell good JKD training from bad. A lot of JKD schools produce fighters who look and move like Kick-Boxers. Real JKD reminds you subtly of Wing-Chun Kung-Fu.
Wing chun guys like a mirror, just following the other guys hands. I love the way he's cycling through different moves rather than just staying in the regular man sao wu sao guard.
nightfox2282 5 days ago
wow! the guy look pretty good on Wing Chun!!
GuSz2 6 days ago
That JKD guy is not being as mobile as he should... Wing Chun's weakness is it's lack of mobility. so, it makes more snse to fight with quick foot work which is both balanced and fast.
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AnamiLoka 2 weeks ago
HURRAY for Wing Tsun; but at 1:10 you guys start going for real a bit, or at least increase speed yet you make no contact. If the speed is slow like a turtle then contact is not necessary, but if you go THIS fast you better be wearing gear+padding and make 50-70% power. Otherwise all you are doing is training and conditioning yourself not to hit somebody.
ComicBookGo 2 weeks ago
wing chun guy is not moving forward first, he is chasing hands
jdwalker13351 3 weeks ago
I'm afraid to say, but this is horrible JKD. =D
Try to understand more about the principles, and do more real sparring, so you'll understand. "nearest weapon closest target", "no telegrafing", "economy of motion", and lots of things, you have to learn and practise, because that's what JKD is about.
Nevermind, the trapping was kind of good.
But i can't really judge just by watching this video. I have to see this in real sparring. =D
find your kung fu! =)
7TabloidJunkie7 3 weeks ago
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7TabloidJunkie7 3 weeks ago
i like how their moves are clear cut but they lack a bit of fluidity, i guess over time they can perfect it more. it takes a lot of patience to master wing chun or come even close.
dannydong3000 3 weeks ago
All Martial Arts come from Silat...not indian china japan or whataever...
abuadifitri 3 weeks ago
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gilakia 3 weeks ago
I like the fact that both guys are getting simultaneous hits on each other. And the fact that they're having fun. XD
neutralhero999 1 month ago
i think this is a good demonstration, forward energy doesnt work against an opponent who is much larger and stronger than you, so angles are incorporated in wing chun in order to overcome an opponent with a longer reach. You cant always go down the center.
bajiprngmntsxingyi 1 month ago
Can we just agree that this poster has a very limited understanding of martial arts and just hit the dislike button already.
googlePaladin 1 month ago
JKD does not do "vs" this or that...it becomes this and that where needed.
RevDogo 1 month ago
The guy in the grey tshirt...hope he never has a real fight coz he would be well n truely fooked...yep !
PuggiTheGreat 1 month ago
2 White persons playing. This is adorable.
Search4diabetescure 1 month ago
That's not Wing Chun BUT it is an excellent job of attempting Wing Chun. WC is a precise science, violate the principles of physics and it falls apart. This includes distancing, using only forward energy (not those sideways pushes) and so much more. Again this is a thoughtful demonstration but it does not show the amazing application abilities of WC using the physics that make it a unique style.
heartslord 1 month ago
This is just a mess period both sides !
oriater 1 month ago 2
the guy in the grey shirt has a stance like shaggy from scooby doo.
khanmar 2 months ago 2
What I have noticed about the JKD guy is that he is not using his feet to much. Also his lead punches are not too stretched outwards. He is really not experienced with JKD, this is a lethal technique that should not be taken lightly. Plus he is not even using his other hands to parry opponents blow. I would say this is a crappy video.
KoolitPnoi 2 months ago 2
JKD was developed from Wing Chun, Bruce Lee disliked forms, because it hinders your ability to move freely. Apart from that, the universal concept of JKD was the ability to adapt, the first concept of JKD was to intercept a punch, that's why it's called "the way of the intercepting fist" but after he got hospitalized he became more mature and researched more about philosophy, and later applied what he learned. Also when you practice JKD you must be able to think quickly and adapt.
KoolitPnoi 2 months ago
@KoolitPnoi all though bruce lees original basis for jeet kune do was wing chun it was really only a foundation the majority of jeet kune do was actually a combination of boxing and fensing
houseofaction 1 month ago
@houseofaction That's correct, sorry it took me a while to comment back.
KoolitPnoi 1 week ago
и в спецслужбах в германии не просто так винчун занимаются!!!! просто не все его понимают так как надо !! конечно если это розмашистые красивые движения как во вьетнамском винчун то в ральном бою это не прокатит!!винчун наматывание противника как на колесо крутящееся вперед!! эти движения вперед через верх бесконечные развивают в винчунисте агресивную ударную работу против противника что очень важно в бою!!!!
MultiAfanasev 3 months ago
здесь просто тренировочный вариант без прохождения в противника в разрез так как это приведет к травме!!! винчун на самом деле очень агресивный стиль!!! суть техники вертикальная работа через верх как циркулярная пила.как освальтный каток !!! бой винчунистов похож на собачий бой питбулей!! винчун всегда был секретный семейный клановый стиль!!! брюсли не просто так был отличным бойцом все это благодаря винчун!винчунист это воин а не спортсмен который один на один в своей весовой категории!!!
MultiAfanasev 3 months ago
nope, that guy isn't jkd lol. he doesn't even pendulum his kicks >_>
ninjitsian 3 months ago
Looks like ching wung against Deet Jun Ko to me...
11Kralle 3 months ago
@Berserkergeng It's good. As many of the more elder teachers have said, wing chun students now rely too much on contact and that the lack of contact can be better at times because contact works the same both ways. If I can feel you intention you can feel mine if I can't hide it.
The wing chun guy here seems a bit odd though and the jeet kune do guy seems inexperienced.
sangtawon 3 months ago
@Berserkergeng Some things might be useful, but 98% of that crap that comes out of this art is completely pointless.
zacktillery 3 months ago
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lol where wing chun and most of all where jkd two jokers lol hhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaa
GATKAWARRIORS 3 months ago
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GATKAWARRIORS 3 months ago
aff --'' ballet ..
Bilino1957 3 months ago
wrack!!!
Rommelmxm 4 months ago
Wing chun is history marcial art and peaceful
Respect d master R.I.P. yip man
Ak47fauxy 4 months ago 18
@Ak47fauxy IP Man, there is no Y
TheMasterwinnie 1 month ago
@TheMasterwinnie Ip or Yip, the transliteration from chinese to roman letters is not an exact science. Hanyu Pinyin wasn't even official accepted until like the late 80's, which is a more accepted form of transliteration. Look, before you speak up to call out a mistake, just be sure you know what your talking about is my only point. In my school, through Ho Kam Ming to Augustine Fong, we say Ho Kam Ming learned under Yip Man, Wing Chun and Gung Fu. I don't care that other spell it different.
AzaDio 1 month ago
Real fighters dun use moves u see in performances to all those who watch too much action films. In real life fights, jeet kune do is most effective.
Laroxify 4 months ago
Sloppy
chadsws6 4 months ago
thats not jeet kun do thats fcking called retard
MrIPhonemaniac 4 months ago
To the T-shirt guy : Don't try to hit him... JUST HIT HIM !
Teenagerus 4 months ago
lol another use of the Term JKD to draw attetion... There is no JKD in this video !!!!!!!!!!!!
Tangkapan 5 months ago
lol this guy not jeet kune do novice
The4Lifeeee 5 months ago
I just want to know what happens when a Wing Chung guy gets taken to the ground.
stephenrobertrae 5 months ago
@stephenrobertrae He chain punches you while falling down, and when he's down he stomps your legs, traps them in order for you tu lose your balance, then he traps you dislocating some of your articulations.
This is the most basic situation of course.
MannaTheBerserk 5 months ago
@MannaTheBerserk God I hope you are trolling.
stephenrobertrae 5 months ago
@stephenrobertrae No I am not. I personally do not agree with this method, I just told you what they teach you when it comes to approach the situation you mentioned. I have been practicing Judo for 9 years, Jeet Kune Do for 5 years, and now I am practicing Wing Tsun System (Leon Ting) because I wanted to know something about JKD original core...
....and yes, also to keep myself in shape :)
In my opinion JKD (Jun Fan) is the most effective technique.
MannaTheBerserk 5 months ago
@MannaTheBerserk I really don't think any of that would work if a BJJ guy was taking you down with then intention to hurt your limbs.
stephenrobertrae 5 months ago
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MannaTheBerserk 5 months ago
@MannaTheBerserk "I don't think a BJJ guy will ever take down a JKD guy" HAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
stephenrobertrae 5 months ago
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@stephenrobertrae Yeah, whatever you say man.
MannaTheBerserk 5 months ago
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@stephenrobertrae I really don't think a BJJ guy will ever take down a JKD practitioner. You clearly know nothing about JKD and its very first principle about fighting lenght. Also, you should know that JKD include ground fighting as well. Whoever practice more than one street fighting technique, inclunding JKD, will always be in advantage. But I see that it's pretty much useless discussing with you, so you can stay with your knowledge if this can help you sleep better. Bye.
MannaTheBerserk 5 months ago
@stephenrobertrae your comment is kinda old but in wing chun there is technics for when your on the ground ofc they are not very populer around the net(or in the movies) because they dont look that cool but yeh they are rly good . and in the end the style dont matter but the person if you dont feel comferbull in the style your learning then your not for there
Lorexbg 4 months ago
The wing chun guy is very good but his footwork and constant hand movement is very non-tradational. If you look at IP man, for example, he keeps his body still and waits to attack. But I think it is cool non the less.
usernamepasswordG 5 months ago
Bruce would be incredibly disappointed in your bickerings of what the better fighting style is. "When one has reached maturity in the art, one will have a formless form. It is like ice dissolving in water. When one has no form, one can be all forms; when one has no style, he can fit in with any style."
narwhalsandjuice 5 months ago 50
@narwhalsandjuice. beautiful. But if you can prove this style against MMA and win. I will be the first one to join the club.
convener777 2 months ago
@convener777 But you have to understand that MMA is not a style. Its a mixture of many, many different styles. MMA is the proof that Bruce Lee was right. No one style is extremely superior to another in MMA, the point of MMA is to take the best parts of each martial art and use it in a way that is cognitive to the sport. Bruce's Jeet Kune Do had a lot in common with MMA. He emphasized stand up fighting, as well as ground fighting. Jeet Kune Do was one of the earliest forms of "Mixed Martial Arts
narwhalsandjuice 2 months ago
@narwhalsandjuice. I just think that people are wanting to join these martial arts classes to learn self defense are wasting their money or getting ripped off ... I agree with you on the comment about Bruce Lee, however, watching MMA in action I think the most dominant and successful form is Brazilian Jujitsu. A lot of MMA fighters have been successful with this form of fighting.
convener777 2 months ago
@convener777 However, what if you are facing someone who has good takedown defense and is a good striker? You cant train in only BJJ and expect to win every fight. True, BJJ stands out as an effective ground game, but wrestling can also be immensely successful. A lot of martial arts will also teach you self defense techniques that arent usable in MMA, but will help you protect yourself on the streets. The concepts and principles of Jeet Kune Do can be applied to any martial art, really.
narwhalsandjuice 2 months ago
@narwhalsandjuice. I haven't seen any street fight on Youtube or any other website that have used affective Jeet Kune Do. If you do find any footage in a street fight that have used Jeet Kune Do please let me know.
convener777 2 months ago
@narwhalsandjuice actually jeet kune do was not one of the earliest forms of mma. in reality almost every martial arts original form was a mix of multiple forms ie mixed martial arts. if you were to go back in time and look at fights between two martial artists in china cerca 1800s and befor you wouldnt see the kung fu you see in movies it would have been very brutal very realistic and alot of people died in the fights cont
houseofaction 1 month ago
@narwhalsandjuice cont the common belief now a days is that in traditional martial arts you only focus on stand up. but in reality if you were to go to china and go to an authentic martial arts school you would find hat they teach all aspects of fighting from stand up to ground fighting infact every form of kung fo teaches you combat effective grappling such as chin-na techniques
houseofaction 1 month ago
@narwhalsandjuice
I remember reading a story or something and one of Bruce Lee's students said:
"JKD is the best!"
BL said, "Oh yeah? I'm going to fight you with nothing but Karate techniques."
Bruce Lee then proceeded and beat his student, and followed up with philosophy like the one you quoted.
Da1RiSiN1sMoKe 2 weeks ago
something like jkd is useless when fight against wingchun?but the real bruce had no fighting style this!!
MrAgusto331 5 months ago
very nice
bowerybaker 5 months ago
Are you trying to tell me a really shit amateur boxer couldn't knock both of these guys out without breaking a sweat?
asdashopperrr 5 months ago
@asdashopperrr are you trying to tell me both these men are really fighting?
StopFlaggingVideos 5 months ago
Both are absolutley shit...have either of you even ever sparred full contact ever ...or do you just play endless patty cake games of "tag" .Try this rubbish on a decent mma or muaythai guy
1fitkbox 5 months ago
@1fitkbox Firstly, both guys are doing a demonstration, they are not pretending they are really fighting, just demonstrating reactions and chi sao. Secondly, do you actually know what MMA is? It seems that people have decided that MMA is a specific martial art, therefore no longer MMA
hotmale4u91 5 months ago
@hotmale4u91 Err hellooo ...anybody in...helloooo...!!! eerr yeah, after 29 years training in 7 different styles, I know exactly what they are doing, its quality training time being wasted by doing hopeless techniques that in real life dont work...trapping doesnt work against skilled fighters, it works on muppets, Wing Chuns guys & JKD guys, no other type of person will it work on. Hence...these styles should stick together bless them....(you too)
1fitkbox 5 months ago
@1fitkbox and in reality they would be dead instantly,with a fak sau to the throat or a biu ji to the eyes!! wing chun is not for boxing gloves it is too lethal,i am a teacher and ahve boxed for 13 years.you are talking through your hole!!
baragentledragon 5 months ago
nice ,, :)
natasya0 5 months ago
wtf is this....
scarface7117 5 months ago
I wonder why does the WC guy is showing his flash moves?? I think it is not the way WC should be practice but I still respect all WC practitioners :)
jhaer27 6 months ago
Bruce never used jkd to strike 1st. Smarter then that. That's y jkd is really for defense. Wing Chung mixed with other fighting styles. So it's wing Chung upgraded. Just like people who or pros at jkd would not lose. Tommy corethers I spelled last name wrong but hes a jkd pro
cortezblz 6 months ago
If you talk shit about a martial art that you dont even know, or about a martial artist that you havent met and fought with, you are too ignorant fool and close minded, you don't deserve to be trained in martial arts.
Martial arts are not about violence, no matter which style you practice, if you are tought different, then its not a martial *ART* its mere fighting, and even dogs know how to fight!
hendrikmarine 6 months ago
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hendrikmarine 6 months ago
nice practicing.'',
bogsangryheart11 6 months ago
its not sparing its a drill wrong title
maxboucher86 6 months ago
look´s like bruce lee´s training at king kai´s place didn´t work
fankinatorlol 6 months ago
insulting bruce lee?
Shakudance 7 months ago
Extract what is useless & make what is essentially your - Jeet Kune Do
hardkoregamer1981 7 months ago
that looks more like i who thinks he knows jeet kune do
crookedwiretap89 7 months ago
but Bruce lee started with wing chun right? so when he made jeet kun do he didn't incorporeded some Wn Chun move in it?
pulsare21 7 months ago
From what lineage is that wing chun?
pingskillz 7 months ago
hahaha jkd guy reminds me of me against my teacher.
DarkRaiish 8 months ago
Thank you for sharing!
warriorofhonor 8 months ago
This is real wing Chun not the lame stuff on YouTube
ipoddish 8 months ago
The wing chun guy is dynamite fast...........and he hardley broke a sweat!
acollantine 8 months ago
JKD is meant to be using your body in minimum movements, whether its for attacking or defending. This really doesent give a good example of JKD.
FistOfTheWind 8 months ago
guy in black looks like he's sorta dancing.
Jellyman5536887 9 months ago
@Jellyman5536887 I was thinking the same thing....he's pretty damn good too! his dancing and wing chun is good.. i was very impressed, his footwork was on point as well as his control of the centerline..
wiseknowin777 7 months ago
Last time I checked, throwing out superfluous high round kicks goes against the principal of economy of motion as outlined in JKD.
hosakakurokawa 9 months ago
Is the JKD guy trying to telegraph his moves so he can imitate bruce lee?
newbielives 9 months ago
Guy in black is guilty of "Chasing Hands."
He follows his opponent's motions with blocks & does not maintain his own line.
Don't say this is good Wing Chun defense; it isn't. Guy in black is allowing his opponent to time the fight. That is not worthwhile for him to practice.
Don't say this is good Wing Chun partner training; it isn't.
It reinforces REACTIONS on the part of the receiver while the opponent, feeling little intention from his partner, has no impetus to safeguard his line.
DizzyDerwish 9 months ago
anyone can be a killer in his own fighting art
xXErLzXx 9 months ago
wing chun is the best martial art ever nothing can defeat it
Denzyldunlop 10 months ago
Wing-tchun is a dream for people who wish they could fight. Chain punches are nasty against opponents that does not move and use hooks. The problem is when you use them with the elbow in you will be open for a hook on your cheek. Please don't come up with the i will strike you first crap because a good boxer always move he's head before he hit with a hook.
SeventhRoar666 10 months ago
Seriously the fighter he face is a amatour... No muscles at all. He's speed is weak and he got no combinations. Sure vs that kind of loser i would also look like a super master.
SeventhRoar666 10 months ago
woww... :)
indravaggenza 10 months ago
jeet kun do is more of a philosophical style then a physical one, when bruce lee created it he used techniques from all different styles that he saw and tried.
It complemented his style and filled in any perceived weakness's that he thought he had, also it gave him a wider array of techniques to draw upon. Jeet kun do is more of an mma type style since it mixed and matched things that the individual needed, like some moves are good if your short etc
18FireFly81 10 months ago
Many say the WC guy here is very good, But sorry i dont think that, I only see a retard who cant strike.
Boxing: You jab to open, then you strike with your right, or you jab then a body blow and then a uppercut. I only see some strange hits that does not even reach the WC guy.
Kick Boxing: Open with a jab then a front lowkick, Step back pushkick and then a straight right. I only see a roundhouse kick without even open the opponent up, thats insane!
SeventhRoar666 10 months ago
anyone can defend against an attacker who is throwing strikes without intent.
happypandaaa 11 months ago
not bad but you need to practice the pac sau drills.
fern072 11 months ago
This is one of my favorite WC uploads.....please keep it up!!!!!!!!!
cprovenzo 11 months ago
I practice wing chun...but it should noted that true Jeet kwon do, takes all martial arts and uses techniques from all of them, jeet kwon do IS wing chun if that is what is appropriate in that situation, just as jeet kwon do, is a simple kick to the leg with no martial art training, if that is all that is needed to resolve the issue. Street fighting, is Jeet Kwon do, all fighting really, is Jeet kwon do.
soudenm84 11 months ago
@soudenm84 Thats the same as saying all fighting is Taekwondo. Because all fighting involves hands and feet.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
dude this foo can close the distance while that old fart is doing is hand mime routine and take his ass to the ground hmm.....me thinks wing chun is ineffective
samtotheg 1 year ago
@samtotheg just because an art doesnt have ground defense or grappling skills doesnt make it ineffective. just makes it ineffective for the ground.
ikcjjtt 11 months ago
Jeet kune do is the combination of all fighting styles
vladekcobyvladivosk 1 year ago
Get wing chun
HoLLowzVideos 1 year ago
Wear protections for a better sparring...
Sorry but jkd guy are not using jkd principles and trchnics...
Bye
martialpunisher 1 year ago
wow this wing chun guy is really good!
RESPECT!!!
DAN5201314 1 year ago 7
@DAN5201314 I practice Wing Chun myself, and I have to admit, this guy is pretty good. I like how he alternates his hands, and feet. It shows that Wing Chun truly doesn't favor any side. Squared ftw !
FearedBliss 10 months ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Bruce's philosophy that one should generally not kick high unless it was situationally called for? The JKD guy kicked high
Dalittheuntouchable 1 year ago
Muay thay knee and a Wing Chung guy is dead !!!
Why ? --> Try it, because the WC technique are focused on striking
enesog 1 year ago
@enesog
While Muay Thai is a great martial art and Wing Chun is primarily a striking art, Wing chun does have techinques that address knee strikes. Also I am assuming the Wing chun guy here is a beginner.
Donkyfishy 1 year ago
Great defense from WC guy
Can see that clearly it's not choreographed but he was still able to block well
jungleefender 1 year ago
where is the jeet kun do? even toward the end of the video there is none. the wc guy looks impressive though.
moo2thetube 1 year ago
@ shulom1
phatdriver 1 year ago
JKD is based on WC!
What would you rather?
Being hit once on the head with a sledge hammer,
or hit three times (real fast)
on the chin, on a knee and a chop to the neck with a hammer? The answer should be neither!
Ive trained in judo, karate, boxing, budo Kempo Jujitsu & WING CHUN!
Being introduced to Yip Man Wing Chun, was like I had struck Gold!
I immediately left my old club.
phatdriver 1 year ago
Fighting distance (to simplify): we can either touch each other or not!
I can use my WC to look like any other art, like a Thai boxer!
An on looker wouldnt be able to tell the difference!
But I like the traditional way, just stand there and kick ya arse!
Each to their own but I know what I have!
Think what YOU want!
phatdriver 1 year ago
This is "sparring" ? This is weaksauce.
maxthegeek1 1 year ago
This just goes to show how hard it is to find good wc on youtube. Bong is not a block.
zxcv73 1 year ago
the guy in black has much better wing chun technique than a lot of people ive seen on youtube, at least in his hands, but his feet are wierd, and he moves his core wayy too much, he should be in control, not moving his upper body around.
Muzishan2 1 year ago
The man in Black is he the wing tsun guy?
h4wk96 1 year ago
Man... you guys look ridiculous.
jambi99 2 years ago
Maybe or maybe Bruce Lee couldn't wait to teach Wing Chun, when was told he couldn't he made JKD. He only did it a couple of years. Perhaps you should go check out a class and maybe ask for a friendly spar. Nothing is be all and end all as it all depends on the person.
T0MU 2 years ago
@T0MU bruce lee taught what worked for him. it doesn't necessarily work for u. that's why it's ultimately ur own path what type of martial artist will u be
DonMega187 1 year ago
Nice video, weird footwork at times, but go skills with WC.
Fastlan3 2 years ago
Wow this has been the best wing chung training video I have ever seen, I mean the other guy was moving like everyone does in a fight and the other guys was using nothing but wing chung. Wow that's amazing how he makes wing chung looks.
havingfunfilming 2 years ago
I'm no expert, but it looks to me that the WC guy embodies the principals of JKD better than the JKD guy. The JKD guy is coming off more like a boxer.
Solandrios 2 years ago 5
@Solandrios
JKD is combination impact action box protect action WC
Odinstar28 2 years ago
@Odinstar28
but the main target of JKD is to intercept the enemy movement and his attack.. i think the mistake of the JKD fighter was to attack with a plan and not to react, which is the principe of Lee's idea....
HahlefKazumoto 1 year ago
@Solandrios That is because JKD is a lot of WC, among other things...but that was Bruce Lee's basic style.
paidiua 2 years ago
@Solandrios Bruce Lee always said stuff along the lines of "Simplicity" you just do what it natrual and efective for you, block punch with punch, block kick with kick.
Toyomata 1 year ago
@Solandrios Everyone's JKD looks different mate, lol.
GabbysMyKittyRawr 1 year ago
@Solandrios JKD was made by bruce lee he took what he learned form wing Chun added boxing,Fencing and kung fu
TheTurkishFalcon 10 months ago
@TheTurkishFalcon Wtf? You idget. Don't you think I know this? I never got in the habit of idly trolling videos and making uniformed comments. And you oversimplify in leaps and bounds. He didn't just take this and add that, he completely re-examined his system. His goal was to cut as much as possible, not add anything. Substitutions? Why, yes, there were quite a few, and they weren't limited to just boxing, fencing, and kung fu, they also encompassed techniques from Savate, Muay Thai, Jujitsu,
Solandrios 10 months ago
@TheTurkishFalcon (cont.) , Judo, and many others. There is no 'super art' that combines 'all the best fighting styles', period. What my original comment was referring to was the JKD guy was exhibiting more of the characteristics of a pure boxer, as opposed to JKD. The WC man on the other hand exhibits, quite successfully, concepts of Attack by Combination, Attack by Drawing, Progressive Indirect Attack, Simultaneous Block and Attack, Conservation of Movement, and many other JKD principles.
Solandrios 10 months ago
@TheTurkishFalcon The problem is that Bruce Lee didn't finish learning Wing Chun, but complained about a lot of things in it. If he would have finished it, he would have found out that it wasn't bad as he said it was.
FearedBliss 10 months ago
@Solandrios JKD is founded by Bruce Lee , and he is a student of Ip Man , the master of WC ... so JKD is founded based on WC and other style of kung fu etc that i am not sure and combined them together
KazekamiShirotsuki 7 months ago
@Solandrios
thats because JKD Came from Wing Chun
jayarefu 7 months ago
@Solandrios yea the wc guy is using pai chao while the jkd guy is just thrown straight leads everywhere
jkd626619mma 6 months ago
@Solandrios actually this is deffenetly wing chun but the other guy fails at jkd because he dosnt fallow its prinsibles he should be moving more.
beowolf0663 6 months ago
@Solandrios Western boxing is what Bruce Lee's main inspiration was.
hardfugoo1 5 months ago
I wanna see this wc-guy in a real fight, with his pat-techniques...pff
Niadien 2 years ago
@Niadien
WC-guy have a big fight experience
Odinstar28 2 years ago 8
yeah, in contrast to the JKD guy...
and look the way the wc-guy moves. he moves like he isnt in a fight. so...static
and
the JKD-fighters with experience i know, are much...much faster...
Niadien 2 years ago
@Odinstar28 WC-guy looks like he can whoop some serious ass LoL!!!!
cprovenzo 11 months ago
@Odinstar28 Niadien is said the write thing! Also if he has much fight experience, ageinst a strong man he will loose!
TwoBrainsMusic 10 months ago
phatdriver 1 year ago
@Niadien same....you never know just how well one knows his technique until he really needs to use it to protect himself...a lot of people are very good when sparring..but the technique still hasnt become instinct to them.
trentinium 1 year ago
in a real fight his blocks would have the power to break the guys arms...it's not very realistic to use full power in sparring, without breaking your partner...then who are you going to practice with.
landerson1035 1 year ago
@landerson1035 looks more like chi sao, and that is only for arm sensitivity, nothing else, not combat.
chuninabun 1 year ago
@Niadien He's just training and hitting softly or he'd damage his training partner.
zzsharka 1 year ago
@Niadien i can show whenever u want! if u don't belive! but i't very very dangeroius 4 u!
skiokonne 5 months ago
Go for Classical Wing Chun from Yip Man linkage.
Forget JKD!
phatdriver 2 years ago 5
@phatdriver JKD is not useless, it is basically a derivative of Ving Tsun. I take both and the Wing Chun helps me get more out of the JKD hand work. But the JKD makes me feel like more of a complete fighter, but you should only learn from a legit trainer and good school. You can tell good JKD training from bad. A lot of JKD schools produce fighters who look and move like Kick-Boxers. Real JKD reminds you subtly of Wing-Chun Kung-Fu.
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phatdriver 2 years ago
How long does the JKD guy do JKD and how long does the wing chun guy doining wc??
TotiiChannel 2 years ago
Cant speak for JKD but Wing Chun can be learn in just 1 YEAR!
You will forget most of it though & you'll be real bad. Worse than when you didnt know it!
As with any art it can take a life time to master but to look after yaself on the street aganst a thug Id say:
2.5/4yrs take care of yaself
4/8 furking hard
8/10 one of the best
10/15 nigh on un touchable
15... sh!t yaself when ya look in the morror
Classical Wing Chun Is better JKD
Look up where JKD gets its origins and go for a Yip Man linkage
phatdriver 2 years ago
@phatdriver
I do both at the moment but I would just like to make one but I may be difficult to decide. is it true, the WT is more effective than JKD?
TotiiChannel 2 years ago
Bruce Lee turned what he learnt form WC into something else,
for the movies and he's own taste,
as you could too but you need WC 1st-wouldnt you agree?
By the way, Bruce couldnt compete with 5 foot 2 Yip Man!
What Ive expernced of JKD are just Bruce Lee fanatics
and all of the sophistication of WC has been lost - not good!
But then it really is up to you.
It just ABOLUTELY MUST be a classical Wing Chun linkage though
there are a lot of con men out there and is there one near you?
Good luck Bro
phatdriver 2 years ago
@phatdriver
sorry but I did not understand your last question correctly.
well you're right and jeet kune do is a bit gewöhnungbedürftig I will most likely give up and do with JKD wt on.
thanks for the rat and the Enlightenment
TotiiChannel 2 years ago