@socratis904 It is a common assumption by us modern Greeks that the ancients pronounced letters (and combination of letters) in the same way we do now. Goggle 'Erasmian pronunciation' to get an idea of reconstructed pronunciation of ancient (Attic) Greek. Have you never wondered why there are so many 'i' sounds in modern Greek? In antiquity the diphthongs were actually pronounced as written ... epsilon iota was pronounced 'e-i' (not 'i') for instance and so forth ...
@GeoBBB123 you totaly lost it a? the Greek Delta is th???? Δ is Θ ?????and what gktjrutmanshrgwtergf??? at list you could say that the delta itis not thyta ... read this please Μακεθονια you suggest that this is the right way?
@socratis904 I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're talking about. Why are saying that I am confusing the delta with the theta. All I'm saying is that ancient Greek delta was pronounced as a 'D' as in 'door' not as 'th' as in 'this'. The pronunciation of a number of our letters was different in ancient times. I suggest you don't use the pronunciation of 'Delta' as an argument about the ancient Macedonians because it is irrelevant and unhelpful.
@GeoBBB123 you wrote wrong then, see what you had written i nfirst place, as for this theory of that in the ancient times the letters had different pronouncment i had heared it before, but non so fart explaint to me why and how we do know that today,... and really i dont care if the greatest glosologist say it, until he will say of how he knows that take this for example, professors from great universities say the Dorians came from north, one said from Syberia too,so,,, δέλτα!
Μια άλλη κοτσάνα που λες είναι ότι το όνομα ήταν Μακεδονίαν. Το όνομα ήταν ανέκαθεν Μακεδονία. Το ν που βλέπεις στο "κατά Μακεδονίαν" είναι απλά το ν της αιτιατικής κλήσης. Απλό γραμματικό φαινόμενο δηλαδή (στην κυπριακή διάλεκτο ακόμα το χρησιμοποιούνε). Όπως στην γενικής λες "της Μακεδονίας" και όχι "της Μακεδονία". Στην ονομαστική από την αρχαιότητα ακόμα λεγόταν Μακεδονία το βασίλειο.
Τρίτη κοτσάνα που λες είναι "Το κοινό των Μακεδώνων" που σημαίνει ταμείο και δεν έχει σχέση με τη γλώσσα. Παρόλο που όσα λες για την Ελληνιστική Κοινή ισχύουν, αλλά άλλο η Κοινή και άλλο το κοινό. Στα έγραψα αυτά και στο Part 1
@GeoBBB123 The modern Greek language probably may not sound exactly like the ancient Greek language of the classic period (as the classic language might not sound exactly like the language used during the Mycenaean period) but it is the only living element we have in order to make conclusions...what Erasmus did was to create a pronunciation of what he thought was right in order to fit the Greek language into the needs and ways of understanding of the Latin-based languages of his time...
@GeoBBB123 The opposite would be more likely to happen...the gentle sound of the letter "Δ" as "TH" in antiquity would be replaced by the rough sound of "D" under the heavy pronunciation influence of Slavic, Turk and other languages during all these centuries..something that never happened and the letter "Δ" continued on being pronounced as "TH" as it is in modern Greek...Erasmus only did what was most logic to him..interpreted "Δ" as "D" because that was the Latin pronunciation of that letter.
@GeoBBB123 If Δ sounded as "D" and not as "TH" (as in the word "the") that would mean that the transition from the rough sounding "D" of antiquity to the fair sounding "TH" of modern Greek happened during times when Greeks interacted with tribes using a language with a gentle sounding "TH" for the letter "Δ"..but no tribe during the Byzantine or Ottoman era used such a language with a fair pronunciation of "Δ" (especially Slavs,Turks and Latins with whom Greeks interacted most in past centuries)
It's amazing the evidence isn't even questionable , it's in there face and in Greek but all they can do is close there eyes in shame . Even with all the undisputed evidence why was The Republic of Macedonia allowed to be used as there name and why isn't Greece Demanding it be stopped . I'm surprised Greece just accepted it . Would really love to understand that part it's confusing.
@b1masd67 Hello friend, thank you for youe good words, as for the FYRMians, i have to share with you, you should see their faces when they look at the Macedonians inscriptions, they shame fell very bad and stay silent,as for your question, well, its not up to Greece to desice about the issue, others have the power and they control the game, you know i think who,the prove is that back 20 years ago when the issue started (for one more time) and Gligorof was their president ...
@b1masd67 ..he had said that they are Sloveny, nto Macedonians not Greeks,and then there was an attempt to kill him with a bomb to his car, some people want them to be macedonians,and they had found Greek politisians that keep silent,Greek common people we do not accept that but we can nto do a lot about it now,as for them they have no other solution,they named them Macedonians and if they are not Macedonians then they are nothing as its the true serbs bulgarians Greeks and Alabanians live there
Go ask a porfessor. Is athena Greek or not. Athena in the Albanian language ( E thena) simply means ( speech) this is Greek capital ? With Albanian correct meaning of the word. Now bark like a dog.
@Basazotti take possition like a whore or prove your what you claim , what you write is your thoughts, but you do not prove anything , so prove it or buzz off!
@Basazotti Malaka alvane, this is not a relative comment about this video presentation, get some brain and if you can not only claim but proove that the Albanian language is the oldest language in Europe then do it and do not wait your time stupid way!
God bless u "socratis904" I have no comment to add, u added everything in your videos, Gia sta xeria sou ;-) God bless our Country the Hellenic Republic, long live forever, shining like a star on our planet, like the Star of Vergina ;-) Don't worry, God is protecting us, because God protects fair People!
i am a Filipino but I acknowledge the truth about who's the real Macedonians and who's not! Same in Greece, my country was conquered by the Spanish for more than 3 centuries and so we end up using a part of their language up to the modern era. We are thankful of them for teaching us their language. I wish that Fyrom or SKopje could acknowledge the truth about their history rather than proclaiming what they aren't to be.
i greatly appreciate your presentations. i found more of your vids from a blog in wordpress or that was blogspot. my husband who is from Thessaloniki appreciates what you're doing, too.
@socratis904 GOD BLESS YOU SOCRATES for having the patience to respond to these stupid SLAVS. Maybe you can post that video of KIRO GLIGOROV the first president of this inferior country making his famous speech..."we are SLAVS...etc. I guess they will always some non sense reply. You should keep a lod of these dumb slavic responses.
@bobeee1969 Thank you my friend, unfortunately they dont want to understand and accept, i deal with this issue many years now and i saw that even those that dont believe that they are Macedonians they claim it and support it just because they have too, you see if they are not what they told them that they are , they are nothing, so there will be a problem for them, others just believe what they hear,,,they always have an excuse.Its Bulgarian logic!
Macedonia is Albania.
lukaqota 1 week ago
@lukaqota. read the inscription barbarian, can you ? :) malaka!
socratis904 1 week ago
Μακεδονία Ελληνική γη για πάντα ρεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεε........
MrWest13Block 6 months ago
Actually the ancient Greek 'Delta' was pronounced like 'D' not 'th' as in modern Greek.
GeoBBB123 11 months ago
@GeoBBB123. what ????????????????????
socratis904 11 months ago
@socratis904 It is a common assumption by us modern Greeks that the ancients pronounced letters (and combination of letters) in the same way we do now. Goggle 'Erasmian pronunciation' to get an idea of reconstructed pronunciation of ancient (Attic) Greek. Have you never wondered why there are so many 'i' sounds in modern Greek? In antiquity the diphthongs were actually pronounced as written ... epsilon iota was pronounced 'e-i' (not 'i') for instance and so forth ...
GeoBBB123 11 months ago
@GeoBBB123 you totaly lost it a? the Greek Delta is th???? Δ is Θ ?????and what gktjrutmanshrgwtergf??? at list you could say that the delta itis not thyta ... read this please Μακεθονια you suggest that this is the right way?
socratis904 11 months ago
@socratis904 I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're talking about. Why are saying that I am confusing the delta with the theta. All I'm saying is that ancient Greek delta was pronounced as a 'D' as in 'door' not as 'th' as in 'this'. The pronunciation of a number of our letters was different in ancient times. I suggest you don't use the pronunciation of 'Delta' as an argument about the ancient Macedonians because it is irrelevant and unhelpful.
GeoBBB123 11 months ago
@GeoBBB123 you wrote wrong then, see what you had written i nfirst place, as for this theory of that in the ancient times the letters had different pronouncment i had heared it before, but non so fart explaint to me why and how we do know that today,... and really i dont care if the greatest glosologist say it, until he will say of how he knows that take this for example, professors from great universities say the Dorians came from north, one said from Syberia too,so,,, δέλτα!
socratis904 11 months ago
@socratis904 Otan sou lew egw oti eisai amorfwtos... Akou re kai kanan morfwmeno an8rwpo pou nomizeis oti ta ksereis ola!
socialist11 1 month ago
Μια άλλη κοτσάνα που λες είναι ότι το όνομα ήταν Μακεδονίαν. Το όνομα ήταν ανέκαθεν Μακεδονία. Το ν που βλέπεις στο "κατά Μακεδονίαν" είναι απλά το ν της αιτιατικής κλήσης. Απλό γραμματικό φαινόμενο δηλαδή (στην κυπριακή διάλεκτο ακόμα το χρησιμοποιούνε). Όπως στην γενικής λες "της Μακεδονίας" και όχι "της Μακεδονία". Στην ονομαστική από την αρχαιότητα ακόμα λεγόταν Μακεδονία το βασίλειο.
socialist11 1 month ago
Τρίτη κοτσάνα που λες είναι "Το κοινό των Μακεδώνων" που σημαίνει ταμείο και δεν έχει σχέση με τη γλώσσα. Παρόλο που όσα λες για την Ελληνιστική Κοινή ισχύουν, αλλά άλλο η Κοινή και άλλο το κοινό. Στα έγραψα αυτά και στο Part 1
socialist11 1 month ago
@GeoBBB123 The modern Greek language probably may not sound exactly like the ancient Greek language of the classic period (as the classic language might not sound exactly like the language used during the Mycenaean period) but it is the only living element we have in order to make conclusions...what Erasmus did was to create a pronunciation of what he thought was right in order to fit the Greek language into the needs and ways of understanding of the Latin-based languages of his time...
dimiballas 3 months ago
@GeoBBB123 The opposite would be more likely to happen...the gentle sound of the letter "Δ" as "TH" in antiquity would be replaced by the rough sound of "D" under the heavy pronunciation influence of Slavic, Turk and other languages during all these centuries..something that never happened and the letter "Δ" continued on being pronounced as "TH" as it is in modern Greek...Erasmus only did what was most logic to him..interpreted "Δ" as "D" because that was the Latin pronunciation of that letter.
dimiballas 3 months ago
@GeoBBB123 If Δ sounded as "D" and not as "TH" (as in the word "the") that would mean that the transition from the rough sounding "D" of antiquity to the fair sounding "TH" of modern Greek happened during times when Greeks interacted with tribes using a language with a gentle sounding "TH" for the letter "Δ"..but no tribe during the Byzantine or Ottoman era used such a language with a fair pronunciation of "Δ" (especially Slavs,Turks and Latins with whom Greeks interacted most in past centuries)
dimiballas 3 months ago
@GeoBBB123 hahhahahahaahahah funny idiot
R3dro0st3R 2 months ago
Socratis your the man. Fantastic videos .
It's amazing the evidence isn't even questionable , it's in there face and in Greek but all they can do is close there eyes in shame . Even with all the undisputed evidence why was The Republic of Macedonia allowed to be used as there name and why isn't Greece Demanding it be stopped . I'm surprised Greece just accepted it . Would really love to understand that part it's confusing.
Yasu Maga
b1masd67 11 months ago
@b1masd67 Hello friend, thank you for youe good words, as for the FYRMians, i have to share with you, you should see their faces when they look at the Macedonians inscriptions, they shame fell very bad and stay silent,as for your question, well, its not up to Greece to desice about the issue, others have the power and they control the game, you know i think who,the prove is that back 20 years ago when the issue started (for one more time) and Gligorof was their president ...
socratis904 11 months ago
@b1masd67 ..he had said that they are Sloveny, nto Macedonians not Greeks,and then there was an attempt to kill him with a bomb to his car, some people want them to be macedonians,and they had found Greek politisians that keep silent,Greek common people we do not accept that but we can nto do a lot about it now,as for them they have no other solution,they named them Macedonians and if they are not Macedonians then they are nothing as its the true serbs bulgarians Greeks and Alabanians live there
socratis904 11 months ago
@b1masd67 iTS BECAUSE our politicals are trators...Our patience is over with them
andyrockevo 5 months ago
Find out for your self jack off.
Basazotti 1 year ago
Greek & Serbian propaganda can be restored with simple facts. The so called slavadonian language is Bulgarian written by a Serbian type writer.
Basazotti 1 year ago
@Basazotti Greek propaganda of what? can t you see the inscriptions?
socratis904 1 year ago
Go ask a porfessor. Is athena Greek or not. Athena in the Albanian language ( E thena) simply means ( speech) this is Greek capital ? With Albanian correct meaning of the word. Now bark like a dog.
Basazotti 1 year ago
@Basazotti take possition like a whore or prove your what you claim , what you write is your thoughts, but you do not prove anything , so prove it or buzz off!
socratis904 1 year ago
The Albanian language is part of the. ( illyrian thraco
Basazotti 1 year ago
@Basazotti And what the Macedonians have to do with the illirian traco as you posted?
socratis904 1 year ago
Albanian oldest language in Europe. Not gay Greek. Not Latin and not fucking vampire Slavic.
Basazotti 1 year ago
@Basazotti Malaka alvane, this is not a relative comment about this video presentation, get some brain and if you can not only claim but proove that the Albanian language is the oldest language in Europe then do it and do not wait your time stupid way!
socratis904 1 year ago
fuck you greece
alek4444 1 year ago
@alek4444 , this "fuck you greece" of yours includes the Macedonians on this video little sweet barbarian???? :)
socratis904 1 year ago
God bless u "socratis904" I have no comment to add, u added everything in your videos, Gia sta xeria sou ;-) God bless our Country the Hellenic Republic, long live forever, shining like a star on our planet, like the Star of Vergina ;-) Don't worry, God is protecting us, because God protects fair People!
TheMegaAlexander 1 year ago
there is an inscripted stone in the entrance of government building in Skopje for the pride of Ancient Macedonians :
μακεδονιαρχων των ναων τη πατριδι συν παντι τω κοσμω τω θκτ' ετει
I m sure it will be easy for Skopians to translate the language of their suposed ancestors ha ha ha
hoplitespao 1 year ago
i am a Filipino but I acknowledge the truth about who's the real Macedonians and who's not! Same in Greece, my country was conquered by the Spanish for more than 3 centuries and so we end up using a part of their language up to the modern era. We are thankful of them for teaching us their language. I wish that Fyrom or SKopje could acknowledge the truth about their history rather than proclaiming what they aren't to be.
Shadelassy 2 years ago 12
thank you for viewing my videos, and for the comment, you speak good my friend!
socratis904 2 years ago
i greatly appreciate your presentations. i found more of your vids from a blog in wordpress or that was blogspot. my husband who is from Thessaloniki appreciates what you're doing, too.
alexanderalexandrou 2 years ago
Thank you very much for your words! Can you please send me the link from where you saw my presentations?
socratis904 2 years ago
@socratis904 GOD BLESS YOU SOCRATES for having the patience to respond to these stupid SLAVS. Maybe you can post that video of KIRO GLIGOROV the first president of this inferior country making his famous speech..."we are SLAVS...etc. I guess they will always some non sense reply. You should keep a lod of these dumb slavic responses.
bobeee1969 1 year ago
@bobeee1969 Thank you my friend, unfortunately they dont want to understand and accept, i deal with this issue many years now and i saw that even those that dont believe that they are Macedonians they claim it and support it just because they have too, you see if they are not what they told them that they are , they are nothing, so there will be a problem for them, others just believe what they hear,,,they always have an excuse.Its Bulgarian logic!
socratis904 1 year ago
@Shadelassy Just common sense. A good pshycyatrist might help.
bobeee1969 1 year ago
oti kai na peis einai ligo...mpravo socratis!!!
makedonas82 2 years ago
να σαι καλα φιλε ευχαριστω
socratis904 2 years ago
bravo sou ,isai tromeros
zoeargyrios 2 years ago
να σαι καλα φιλε ευχαριστω
socratis904 2 years ago
this is the truth... Macedonia is Greek !!!
pa0kak1 2 years ago 9
να σαι καλα φιλε ευχαριστω
socratis904 2 years ago