@gta4sergio yeah, I previously posted that. I was mentally connecting Lincoln's elections and the immed. secession of the deep south. But yes, militarily the war starts at Sumpter. 1861, April. Thanks for you inquiry.
Anyone who thinks the primary reason for the civil war was anything but slavery did not read the articles of secession attributed to S Carolina and Mississippi. Jeff Davis wanted to morph the issue into states rights to attempt to draw Europe in. Other states tried to do the same thing in their secession statements. Sure it was about "states rights" but about "states rights" that had to do with slavery and its expansion to new territories.
I have a hard time stating that the Civil war was not fought to end/preserve slavery. From Uncle Tom’s Cabin to John Brown’s raid; the Debate De Jour was always about the institution of slavery. The war was no more about saving the union than it was about recapturing Ft. Sumter—yes, these were 2ndary initiatives, but the Mason-Dixon wedge was slavery from beginning to end. Even after these initiatives were met the country continued to fight for/against the advancement of black/civil rights.
I am not arguing there was not an abolitionist movement... just not inside the US Government. While I think Lincoln had progressive views regarding slavery, I do not believe he fought the war to end it..... it became a matter of circumstances and the war itself which led him to take steps like the Emancipation..... remember even though Lincoln was progressive his early idea on reconstruction involved shipping blacks back to Africa.
@hughesDV I had always hear that initially the war was fought to preserve the union first and foremost and that Lincoln didn't like slavery but he wasn't an abolitionist.
“If Lincoln was really interested in freeing the slaves, what’s he waiting for? With the onset of the secession the preservation of the union became Lincoln’s top priority. His strong anti-slavery stance was sidelined by the greater crisis. It wasn't a non-issue as the speaker implies. The emancipation proclamation didn’t happen until 1863 because Lincoln knew it wouldn’t carry any political weight until the North had a victory, which took far longer than expected due poor Union generalship.
“Many people still have the misconception that this was fought to end slavery.” On the contrary, the notion that slavery had little or nothing to do with it has become the greatest misconception of the Civil War in our day. It’s disturbing to find a teacher among the crowd of those who want to wow others with the ‘everything you learned about the Civil War was wrong’ routine by spouting lesser known facts and from them drawing twisted conclusions. Watch videos by David W. Blight instead.
@KVASEY I am not arguing there was not an abolitionist movement, just that it did not sway major influence over the gov. I know Lincoln was part of the Free Soil, party, but do your research, it wa less of an abolitionist party and more of an economic westward party. And as disturbing as I make you, I encourage to look at the regents questions on the Civil War in NY state, the answer is the war was fought to save the union. And please explain why the emanicpation only freed rebel state slaves
@hughesDV He didn’t have the constitutional authority to free slaves in non-rebel states. He knew a constitutional amendment was needed and was active in pushing it through congress. Lincoln’s goal at the outset was merely to restore the union to status quo, but once it became clear that reconciliation was impossible his war aim transitioned to, ending slavery. What a shame if Regents exams neglect this important point. BTW, AL’s inauguration 3/4/61 to the prelim EP 9/22/63 is 1.5 not 3 years.
I suck at math and years, you are right, thanks, 1.5 years. I do include the narrative that you suggest and you are only seeing a ten minute lecture, I do a two day lecture in class on it and we do discuss these ideas openly and freely. Lincoln did shift his focus to slavery as a war aim, I think as much to influence England but also agree that in his heart he was against slavery and enjoyed ending it. I think without politics he is an abolitionist. I cant escape his gamemanship.
I see the EP not in the border states more of a decision not to risk their unionship but your point is well taken. It is certainly possible for two well intention people to come to different conclusions. I assure you a major thrust in my class is for my kids to question, explore and create. Peace.
@KVASEY of course, In fact, you don't need to watch Bright.
Read what the Southern leaders said AT THE TIME. The Southern Ultimatums -- all five Southern Ultimatums demanded the SPREAD of slavery. Thes ultimatums were announced proudly in SOUTHERN NEWSPAPERS at the time as "THE TRUE ISSUE".
The South was quite clear, quite proud, they demanded the SPREAD of slavery or promised war.
They started the war and got their asp kicked -- and have been crying ever since.
@ItchMyFoot Good answer. Good answer. I like the way you think. I’m gonna be watching you.-Sam Kinison, Back to School.
So often the claim is made that the South fought not for slavery but for state's rights, as though that wasn't just a more palatable term for virtually the same thing. Although, in fairness to the teacher who posted the video, I think his comments were only in reference to the Lincoln's motives and objectives. Cheers.
Great video. I support the confederacy but I am anti-slavery and anti-segregation. I believe in freedom. The U.S fought for freedom against England so why should the south be denied there's? I am Jewish and my people fought for Israel. After the civil war the north destroyed all the southern plantations. A lot of the "top dogs" of the south went homeless and lost everything. Some of there slaves were like family to them.
Pretty good, and interesting style. But no mention that he South issued five ultimatums that Lincoln had to obey, or the SOuth would attack. When LIncoln did not obey, they attackeed.
Alll five ultimatums were about slavery -- SPREADING slavery. That is not a surprise, really. The SOuth had been violently spreading their insane slavery for 50 years. The ultimatums were simply the articulation of those violent efforts.
GO find out about the ultimatums by the scum sucking south
Great video. Glad to hear a history teacher saying the civil war was not all about slavery. How can the average "Johnny Reb" go to war when only a small percentage owned slaves? Slavery was an evil that needed to be purged from our nation. But it was not all the South's fault. There were slave owners and racists in the North, too. But for generations, the South has born the brunt of it all.
@hughesDV Ok I know your going to suspend me and all but one of my teachers that knows you said that your a nice guy. So sorry i mean i dont know you all to well to being calling you a douchebag i must have mis comprehended you filming the fight and i know were your coming off at some freshmen calling you a douche bag very disrespectful on my part and i admit you were wrong if you were filming the fight who knows like i said i thought you were My HR is gym if you want to take me to Mrs barton
That might be the worse apology ever but its a good start. I am not going to write this up, just think before you post an obscenity about someone you don't know. If you ever need any help in Global let me know, for a dou***beg, I am a pretty decent teacher.
good stuff man good stuff. from what i saw it was completely unbiased. personally im a pro confederate man (but AGAINST slavery and yes thats possible people) but i happy to see people today can realize that the war wasnt all about slavery and that lincoln was just another politician. once again good vid man
Thanks Jim, I am pretty progressive but I try to keep an open mind when teaching. Balancing a tradition textbook with Howard Zinn can be tricky at times. I agree Lincoln was a player but I would add he was a brilliant one. And I think in his hearts of hearts he knew slavery was immoral. Thanks again for the kudos.
The CC subtitles are rather accurate :)
maksenDK 2 weeks ago
I really like this! I'm typing an essay and needed to brush up on the civil war! :) great lesson!
11usapatriot 1 month ago
Bill of rights doesn't protect you from the state if the state doesn't honour it. lol
Esoparagon 4 months ago
Didn't the Civil war start with the firing on Ft. Sumter on April 12th, 1861?
gta4sergio 8 months ago
@gta4sergio yeah, I previously posted that. I was mentally connecting Lincoln's elections and the immed. secession of the deep south. But yes, militarily the war starts at Sumpter. 1861, April. Thanks for you inquiry.
hughesDV 8 months ago
great job
drskid613 9 months ago
Anyone who thinks the primary reason for the civil war was anything but slavery did not read the articles of secession attributed to S Carolina and Mississippi. Jeff Davis wanted to morph the issue into states rights to attempt to draw Europe in. Other states tried to do the same thing in their secession statements. Sure it was about "states rights" but about "states rights" that had to do with slavery and its expansion to new territories.
jimlobue 10 months ago
THANK YOU SO MUCH(: needed this for my US history exam! :D
iliHolbrook 11 months ago 2
I have a hard time stating that the Civil war was not fought to end/preserve slavery. From Uncle Tom’s Cabin to John Brown’s raid; the Debate De Jour was always about the institution of slavery. The war was no more about saving the union than it was about recapturing Ft. Sumter—yes, these were 2ndary initiatives, but the Mason-Dixon wedge was slavery from beginning to end. Even after these initiatives were met the country continued to fight for/against the advancement of black/civil rights.
mdstalla 1 year ago
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veggycowgirl 1 year ago
@mdstalla
I am not arguing there was not an abolitionist movement... just not inside the US Government. While I think Lincoln had progressive views regarding slavery, I do not believe he fought the war to end it..... it became a matter of circumstances and the war itself which led him to take steps like the Emancipation..... remember even though Lincoln was progressive his early idea on reconstruction involved shipping blacks back to Africa.
hughesDV 1 year ago
@hughesDV I had always hear that initially the war was fought to preserve the union first and foremost and that Lincoln didn't like slavery but he wasn't an abolitionist.
Vitriolic 6 months ago
and also remember it was the Federal Gov. who executed John Brown.
hughesDV 1 year ago
“If Lincoln was really interested in freeing the slaves, what’s he waiting for? With the onset of the secession the preservation of the union became Lincoln’s top priority. His strong anti-slavery stance was sidelined by the greater crisis. It wasn't a non-issue as the speaker implies. The emancipation proclamation didn’t happen until 1863 because Lincoln knew it wouldn’t carry any political weight until the North had a victory, which took far longer than expected due poor Union generalship.
KVASEY 1 year ago
“Many people still have the misconception that this was fought to end slavery.” On the contrary, the notion that slavery had little or nothing to do with it has become the greatest misconception of the Civil War in our day. It’s disturbing to find a teacher among the crowd of those who want to wow others with the ‘everything you learned about the Civil War was wrong’ routine by spouting lesser known facts and from them drawing twisted conclusions. Watch videos by David W. Blight instead.
KVASEY 1 year ago
@KVASEY I am not arguing there was not an abolitionist movement, just that it did not sway major influence over the gov. I know Lincoln was part of the Free Soil, party, but do your research, it wa less of an abolitionist party and more of an economic westward party. And as disturbing as I make you, I encourage to look at the regents questions on the Civil War in NY state, the answer is the war was fought to save the union. And please explain why the emanicpation only freed rebel state slaves
hughesDV 1 year ago
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KVASEY 1 year ago
@hughesDV He didn’t have the constitutional authority to free slaves in non-rebel states. He knew a constitutional amendment was needed and was active in pushing it through congress. Lincoln’s goal at the outset was merely to restore the union to status quo, but once it became clear that reconciliation was impossible his war aim transitioned to, ending slavery. What a shame if Regents exams neglect this important point. BTW, AL’s inauguration 3/4/61 to the prelim EP 9/22/63 is 1.5 not 3 years.
KVASEY 1 year ago
@KVASEY
I suck at math and years, you are right, thanks, 1.5 years. I do include the narrative that you suggest and you are only seeing a ten minute lecture, I do a two day lecture in class on it and we do discuss these ideas openly and freely. Lincoln did shift his focus to slavery as a war aim, I think as much to influence England but also agree that in his heart he was against slavery and enjoyed ending it. I think without politics he is an abolitionist. I cant escape his gamemanship.
hughesDV 1 year ago
@KVASEY
I see the EP not in the border states more of a decision not to risk their unionship but your point is well taken. It is certainly possible for two well intention people to come to different conclusions. I assure you a major thrust in my class is for my kids to question, explore and create. Peace.
hughesDV 1 year ago
@hughesDV Yes, I think you're right about that reason for excluding the border states.
KVASEY 1 year ago
@hughesDV
ItchMyFoot 1 year ago
@KVASEY of course, In fact, you don't need to watch Bright.
Read what the Southern leaders said AT THE TIME. The Southern Ultimatums -- all five Southern Ultimatums demanded the SPREAD of slavery. Thes ultimatums were announced proudly in SOUTHERN NEWSPAPERS at the time as "THE TRUE ISSUE".
The South was quite clear, quite proud, they demanded the SPREAD of slavery or promised war.
They started the war and got their asp kicked -- and have been crying ever since.
ItchMyFoot 1 year ago
@ItchMyFoot Good answer. Good answer. I like the way you think. I’m gonna be watching you.-Sam Kinison, Back to School.
So often the claim is made that the South fought not for slavery but for state's rights, as though that wasn't just a more palatable term for virtually the same thing. Although, in fairness to the teacher who posted the video, I think his comments were only in reference to the Lincoln's motives and objectives. Cheers.
KVASEY 1 year ago
Great video. I support the confederacy but I am anti-slavery and anti-segregation. I believe in freedom. The U.S fought for freedom against England so why should the south be denied there's? I am Jewish and my people fought for Israel. After the civil war the north destroyed all the southern plantations. A lot of the "top dogs" of the south went homeless and lost everything. Some of there slaves were like family to them.
Airsoftattack123 1 year ago
Pretty good, and interesting style. But no mention that he South issued five ultimatums that Lincoln had to obey, or the SOuth would attack. When LIncoln did not obey, they attackeed.
Alll five ultimatums were about slavery -- SPREADING slavery. That is not a surprise, really. The SOuth had been violently spreading their insane slavery for 50 years. The ultimatums were simply the articulation of those violent efforts.
GO find out about the ultimatums by the scum sucking south
NavyBeer 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
No I did not learn that in eighth grade.
rifsberjasulta 1 year ago
This is awesome. You've helped me out with my intro African American Studies class. Thank you!
mastuhrodent 1 year ago
lol this is going to get niffty fifty
komplex71 1 year ago
Great video. Glad to hear a history teacher saying the civil war was not all about slavery. How can the average "Johnny Reb" go to war when only a small percentage owned slaves? Slavery was an evil that needed to be purged from our nation. But it was not all the South's fault. There were slave owners and racists in the North, too. But for generations, the South has born the brunt of it all.
Mishetta13 1 year ago
This is a good lecture. Keep it up with the analogies! And I chuckled to myself when you referred the federal government to daddy.
IHaveAGenericName 1 year ago
Awesome Lesson! Thank you
sexii1bri4 1 year ago 3
@hughesDV Soory i read over my message and i meant to say ** i was wrong not you were wrong. sorry i couldnt do this in person but im a shy kid
jellyrolljimmy 2 years ago
lol. That makes it a tremendously better apology.
hughesDV 2 years ago
@hughesDV Ok I know your going to suspend me and all but one of my teachers that knows you said that your a nice guy. So sorry i mean i dont know you all to well to being calling you a douchebag i must have mis comprehended you filming the fight and i know were your coming off at some freshmen calling you a douche bag very disrespectful on my part and i admit you were wrong if you were filming the fight who knows like i said i thought you were My HR is gym if you want to take me to Mrs barton
jellyrolljimmy 2 years ago
That might be the worse apology ever but its a good start. I am not going to write this up, just think before you post an obscenity about someone you don't know. If you ever need any help in Global let me know, for a dou***beg, I am a pretty decent teacher.
hughesDV 2 years ago
@hughesDV thanks
jellyrolljimmy 2 years ago
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jellyrolljimmy 2 years ago
Where do you teach? You must be a great teacher... love your style.
pikamary 2 years ago 10
woooo i got my regents tomorrow and this helped alot my teacher this year only taught by making us watch videos he was terrible
hooters4breakfst 2 years ago
good stuff man good stuff. from what i saw it was completely unbiased. personally im a pro confederate man (but AGAINST slavery and yes thats possible people) but i happy to see people today can realize that the war wasnt all about slavery and that lincoln was just another politician. once again good vid man
jimsmith1113 3 years ago
Thanks Jim, I am pretty progressive but I try to keep an open mind when teaching. Balancing a tradition textbook with Howard Zinn can be tricky at times. I agree Lincoln was a player but I would add he was a brilliant one. And I think in his hearts of hearts he knew slavery was immoral. Thanks again for the kudos.
hughesDV 3 years ago
Thanks, I hate I screwed up the date..... the woes of a concept teacher.
hughesDV 3 years ago
Hi, my teacher just showed me your video on the AOC, you've helped me out a lot. Please continue to make these videos.
mynameisdylanholcomb 3 years ago
Conscience Whigs?
Abolitionists?
Vermont?
Keep expanding on your good work.
Thank you.
Lasershoppe 3 years ago
wow just learned more than 10 months in my history class haha
thanks a lot
discolemonadee 3 years ago
Thanks Sooo Much. This Is totally Helping
Hoshi88 3 years ago