Texas Sovereignty or Secession Rally - Larry Kilgore

[PacoMxxN]

Interesting, Texas wanted independence once because they disagreed with the abolition of slavery (1830), now they are being ingrates again to a nation that made them, or better said, gave them the economy they have (Funny, Texas means "friends" or "allies", ironic)...hmmmm, btw I think if Texas does secede, it should give all the land it took from New Mexico...

[LibertarianBiker]

@PacoMxxN Hummm not sure where to start here. First off, slavery was abolished in Texas with the constitution of 1824. That constitution was so popular in Texas that the 1824 flag was the first and most recognized banner of the Republic of Texas. Texas sought independence in 1835 not over slavery but because the 1824 constitution was abolished by Santa Anna in favor of a dictatorship. The proper relationship between Texas and the U.S. is nation to nation. Allies, friends & strong.

[cowboy8555]

HELL WITH THE U.S. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

[cowboy8555]

SECESSION ALL THE WAY! DAMN THE UNION TO HELL!!

[DarthRandall]

I would be all for Texas and all the other southern shit states seceding if that didn't mean that they would devolve into a shithole even worse than Mexico is. It's not that I care what happens to them, just that Mexico makes a far better neighbor than they would be.

[dn2069]

does he not realise that sovereignty and secession go hand in hand? you can't be free from your current sovereign government without establishing your own.

[telecopter]

Traitor. No wonder the USA didn't accept Texas for nearly a decade. What average Americans don't know is: yes, Texas was it's own nation at one point...for 10 lousy years. In those 10 lousy years as The Republic of Texas, the standard of living was sh*t. It was in fact, so bad, that Texas BEGGED the United States to accept them. Guess what? - the USA WOULDN'T HAVE THEM, till after they begged for NINE years. I say, let them secede - And no allowing them back next time.

[LibertarianBiker]

@telecopter President Lamar withdrew the petition to join the U.S. that President Houston submitted earlier. Many of us agree with Lamar.

[GSScasual]

please texas, secede... so we can mobilize troops in the area, and pound you into submission.. God, texans are retards.

[ExaltedCyclops2]

@GSScasual What troops will you have? Mst of the miltary are southerners. You think you'll get the hippies and faggots in LA, San Fagcisco and Jew York Shitty to invade the South?

[nighthawk9114]

@schepis13 They do realize that without the USA, they would be - gulp - Mexicans right?

[LibertarianBiker]

@nighthawk9114 Actually not. We successfully seceded from Mexico, so without the USA we would be Texans.

[eaglesfanintn]

@RebRebel1 buh bye now... don't let the door hit you where the good lord split ya. And don't ask for help when Mexico invades and takes back their land. See ya, wouldn't want to be you.

[TheJcanno8]

Crazy secesh loser.

[petersdraggon]

Leave the Union and meanwhile we will pull out all the military installations that dump billions into your economy. Maybe Mexico will take their land back. Don't ask us to help...remember....you HATE AMERICA and you HATE THE FLAG!

[petersdraggon]

LEAVE!!! If it weren't for the U.S. Federal Government building so many U.S. Military installations in Texas, their economy wouldn't be what it is. He names Georgia, Oklahoma, and Alaska as other states wanting to succeed. Those are historically Red States that take nearly $2 for every $1 they send into the federal government. In essense, they are welfare queens of the taxpayers in other states, just like the majority of Red States. Alaska only has 168K residents and we spend billions on them.

[txwes1212]

I see some other clips on the net running him down and chopping up the what he has saying!!! I'm pissed if they think TEXANS are stupid, WE ARE NOT STUPID WE HAVE BALLS!!! DON"T TREAD ON TEXAS!!!!!

[donjuandonjuan]

@RebRebel1 they can have Nobama too.

[donjuandonjuan]

Yes to SECESSION !.

No Taxation without True Representation !.

Say No to Career Politicians !.

[MakesYouSquirm]

Hang that idiot by the balls on the highest tree.

[attorneydestroyusa]

@schepis13 And millions and millions more also hate that homosexual paradise corporation. And you would to if you knew the truth.But since they keep you so off balance you cant think straight you stand with the scumbag foreign agents. Soon, real soon, we sovereign are going to stand and set the record straight. No militia required. you can go along with the foreign agent attorney when they are given 24 hour to get off this land.

[eyehear10]

Dey tookur jewbs! derp a durp

[pealms]

Bhua, bhua, bhua....

[spankeydmonkey]

It's the Republicans stopping all legislation to help the American people. This FOOL  has been smoking to much Marijuana. He should be arrested and tried for treason immediately.

[spankeydmonkey]

This FOOL has never read, 'A Man Without A Country". It's about a man who said he never wanted to see the United States again! He was condemned to spend the rest of his life on a boat miles from the American coast. That's what this A**Hole should be sentenced to!

[brainerdrebel]

We are not a country or a nation. We are a federation of free, independent and sovereign States, a Union.

"We federated for foreign affairs only, all domestic affairs are left to the States, or to the People."

Thomas Jefferson

[spankeydmonkey]

Who the hell does this Mental Returd think he is? Sam Houston was against Texas seceding from the Union. He was thrown out of the Governors mansion for his stand. Texas receives  more Federal money than most states. It was the Texas,"Village Idiot', George W. Bush who started these two wars and left the country in the crapper. He and Cheney started these wars to fill their pockets with tax-payer money. Haliburton got contracts without even bidding for them. Money into Bush/Cheney Swiss Accts.

[2IQpointshigher]

@spankeydmonkey

It is because Conress will not stop these stupid wars that many in the states would like to secede. The USA Patriot Act is another reason to push for secession.

[spankeydmonkey]

@2IQpointshigher - The answer is simpler than to secede. Replace your Congressional Representatives . Until you get one that does what he was elected to do.

[mike12572]

FUKIN-A!!!!! "keep your hands outta our pockets!! aint nothin in there belong to you!!"

[MultiWILLIE]

I support Texas leaving the union, this place is to darn expensive to maintain.

[wheelchairby284]

PAHAHAHA Sam Houston was AGAINST US secession during the Civil War and he was what MADE texas what it is today. oh SURE he was for the freedom of Texas, but he was for the freedom of Texas because he wanted it to become part of the US! And for anyone who wants to call me any "Northern insults", IM FROM TEXAS, and I believe Session is a traitorous proposition.

[SailorBarsoom]

These nutbags are a minority in Texas. Yes, yes, Texas tends to be heavily Republican, heavily conservative. But not like these guys.

Actually, all the secessionist nutbags in Texas (AND Georgia, AND Alaska, AND Oklahoma, etc.) would fit comfortably into any one randomly-selected county in Texas.

Therefore, I have an idea. There are 26 counties in Texas which border either Mexico, or the Gulf of Mexico. Pick one, any one you like, and all the secessionists from...

durned character limit

[SailorBarsoom]

Pick one, any one you like, and all the secessionists from any state in the country move there. I will write to my congressman, both senators, and the President urging them to recognize the secession, without war or violence of any kind.

Any buildings or natural resources are yours, and of course the land. In return, the citizens of this new nation (I think "Confederate State of America" has a nice ring) will do the following:

[SailorBarsoom]

a) renounce American citizenship, as anyone who would secede from the USA shouldn't be able to receive the benefits of USA citizenship, such as Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, voting in OUR elections, or anything else coming from that country you hate.

b).anybody wanting to leave the CSA and remain a citizen of the USA is allowed to leave, and the USA will pay the expenses of the move.

c) withdraw from the American military, if a part of it. I really don't want soldiers who hate America.

[803honda]

All you people who think Mexico is capabe of takin over Texas are idiots.

Texas gained their independence from Mexico and captured ther president as prisooner without any help from any union.

[803honda]

I HATE THAT FLAG TOO!!!

[goeagles1974]

I live in texas and i almost hope this gun totan' bible quoten' hillbilly POS wins so i can watch his uneducated retard ass drive Texas into the ground

[Innize]

Lol if Texas secedes, no more Republican presidents, ever.

[Innize]

Wow this is one crazy motherfucker. And he's running for governor of Texas as a Republican.

Why am I not surprised?

[BleedingRosesRed]

Are they going to own slaves again? :S

Time for me to leave Texas...

[mike761266]

Georgia secedes I go with her, bring it on!!!

[kmg501]

You go Larry! I'm a born and bred New Yorker and I'm WITH YOU. Enough is enough of this out of control fascist federal government.

[TheVAConfederate]

Hey, if Texas secedes first, I will be the first one over there!!!!!

[deveousdevil]

secession is the answer, yes please, just leave you douche fuck rednecks.

[memphisbars]

The U.S. would be nothing without Texas; that's where most of the domestic oil production is. It is not treason to say you hate the United States; or do you not understand what freedom of speech is? The man sounds like a patriot to me not someone who deserves to be hung. You, sir, are a dumb sir.

[keriwormald]

When I thought Iraq was a mistake, I was given grief because I lacked patriotism. I was anti-troops. I was anti-American. But this man can say he hates the flag and he hates the country, and HE'S a patriot. Sir, you could write a book called dumb. I googled Texas Secession Crazy to find this video. It came up first. What does that tell you?

[memphisbars]

The U.S. has a long history of not honoring the intent and law and reason upon which it was founded. The Constitution is being shredded. The U.S. is filled with good people but it is governed by criminals. Our futures and those of our children and their children are being ruined. Secession does not sound like such a bad or crazy idea afterall, does it?

[SailorBarsoom]

We can buy oil somewhere else. Most of it comes from overseas anyway. Without Texas, maybe we'd start running our economy off of something else.

And what is the Free and Independent Republic of Texas going to do without NASA, various military contractors, MediCare, MediCaid, Social Security, federal money for roads, interstate highways, American Airlines, Continental Airlines, and several military bases?

Texas gets a lot more in federal money than Texans pay in federal taxes.

[duros62]

"It'll be a break-up like the Soviet Union did."

Oh, you mean like Chechnya and Georgia, asshat?

Good luck sellin' that, treasonous bastard.

[attackmacaque]

The only good traitor is a dead traitor.

As a Texan, I can tell you that these faux revolutionaries are a small minority. Real Texans love America as much as they love Texas, and they hate traitors.

[gwbushisOnePoS]

attackmacaque:

I'll bet you a months salary this PoS Larry Kilgore supported that PoS g. w. bush.

All I have to say to this PoS Larry Kilgore is . . . support President Obama and his policies or get the F out of my country.

[SailorBarsoom]

Thank you. If Texas seceded, the first thing that would happen is that all the patriotic Texans would move the hell out of Texas.

Actually, the first thing that would happen is that all the patriotic Texans would pick up those guns we seem to fond of and shoot the secessionists as the traitors they would be.

They aren't traitors as long as they're just shooting off their mouths. As soon as they try to turn their masturbatory fantasies into reality, they become traitors to the US.

[XtremePacifist]

Burn all flags, open all borders.

Fuck all governments and nations and flags and troops.

[ThisIsWar14]

Secession now, Freedom forever!

[7jerryv7]

The Civil War answered any questions regarding the legality and practicality of secession.

[ThisIsWar14]

Stay out of Dixie!

[7jerryv7]

As long as Dixie stays in the Union. As long as they stay in the Union, we will not have a problem.

[Vertigopills]

lol you cite one war as a counter-example to secession... read more history :P

[7jerryv7]

Point is the US would not allow it. And this shit about Texans being in the military does not mean shit. I am sure most Texans would side with the US. This is just dreamland shit anyway.

[freysman]

You might want to consult the Department of Homeland Security. The vast majority of Texans have already been described as terrorists.

[donjuandonjuan]

@freysman I'm a Revoultionary not a Terrorist :D

[nighthawk9114]

@freysman Based on the cheers for a secession rally, they may not be wrong...

[robotshavesoul]

@freysman yeah but you'd be an idiot to think the public see the two as the same.

[alixsb]

Tell me! After his little rant... did he jump on his horse...and ride off into the sunset?

Jesus...the only thing missing from this clip...is some cattle, sheep, a barn, and a few more hillbillies! Oh wait...maybe a few pickup trucks with expired tags and four different size tires!

[gwbushisOnePoS]

alixsb:

Little Darling, this here hick is just a victim of his kinfolk humping his backside.

You see Little Darling, every southerner takes kindly to their everyday TexASS screwing, inbreeding and child molestations.

TexASS screwings have been passed down from father to son, to uncles and cousins since the Alamo.

[EarthMuffinHugs]

OMFG!! I am a liberal who lives in red red republican Texas with all these gun totin' bible quotin' freaks! Not everybody in Texas thinks like these morons do. Yikes!! This guy must have been home schooled.

[TeslaPRG]

Hang them all for treason.

[TeslaPRG]

Total IQ audience and speaker combined 20. Total actual facts in the speech to support his ideas 1. Allowing a state of traitors to be handed back to Mexico - PRICELESS.

[TrollKing2009]

hell yeah we support you.

FREEDOM FOR ILLINOIS

[Fennlt]

Who's we? Illinois is a democratic state by far. Obama is from Illinois, you can try and lead a one man revolution, enjoy getting shot.

[DigitalAquarius]

Do you realize what Mexico would do to Texas if they succeeded?

[JerezJulio]

Wow.

The Emotion, the Drama.

[kiwishizzle]

yay, texas will be a part of mexico again! and texans will illegally cross the borders of the northern states.

[Catface91]

Fuck this TRAITOR! Try to cede Mr. Kilgore, PLEASE try it, the USA will rip you & TEXAS a new asshole. 650,000 dead resolved this issue, you dumb hick go back to do want to you do best shoveling mule shit.

[DurhamBoyz]

lol

[ShiftyCelt]

If you believe in freedom, Fly the Texas flag!

[Okiecowboi99]

I'll help to build the new Wall around Texas and donate my time.

[ZekeVaughn]

Mr. Kilgore needs to refresh his history. Neither Washington or Houston were part of secession movements; they were part of revolutionary movements. Houston was opposed to secession from the United States. And in his Farewell Address, George Washington asked the American people to indignantly frown "upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts."

[ZekeVaughn]

Hmmm... two dislikes, but no comment on what they disapprove of? Are those dislikes from revisionists like Mr. Kilgore?

[freysman]

In fact, George Washington was part of American colonial secession from England, and Sam Houston was a part of the Texian secession from Mexico. So you might want to refresh your own study of history.

[ZekeVaughn]

You're about as convincing as Mr. Kilgore. What's your evidence? Assuming states rights is a valid theory, secession is the legal act of a sovereign state who wishes to dissolve a union, but neither the colonies or Texas had such sovereign powers, which is why DOI's were needed and wars of independence fought.

[freysman]

My evidence for what? The definition of the word secession? Who cares? I'm not interested in playing semantics. I'm interested in seeing Texas as a free and independent nation once again. Whether that comes about by a declaration of independence or articles of secession is of no consequence to me.

[ZekeVaughn]

Your evidence that both revolutions were secessions. History and facts are not semantics. If the colonies or Texas were sovereign, there would have been no need for declarations of independence; they would have passed ordinances of secession as did the Southern States. So, if you are going to make an analogy, make a proper one, not one without basis, such as Washington and Houston being part of secessionist movements. Unless of course, you consider history and facts unimportant.

[freysman]

Again, I'm not interested in arguing semantics with you. The word secession simply means 'to withdraw'. If you prefer another word, that's fine with me. The fact is the American colonies withdrew from England, and the state of Texas withdrew from Mexico.

[ZekeVaughn]

No one is arguing semantics with you, and the fact you keep trying claim so suggest you have no argument at all, because the argument is not about the "meaning" of secession (which would be a semantic argument), but is about the difference between a declaration of independence and an ordinance of secession (that is not a semantic argument). Or do you not see the difference because you desire so badly to enlist dead heroes into your own cause?

[freysman]

Feel free use the word secession however you see fit, and if in doing so you choose to exclude the American revolution and the Independence of Texas, then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. As I've said, I don't really care whether Texas issues a Declaration of Independence or Articles of Secession or simply says "fuck off" and seals the border. Either way the same goal is accomplished.

[SailorBarsoom]

And Texas has been SOOOO successful at sealing its border so far, huh?

[paulineprojectlove]

I can't wait to build a nice big fence around Texas.

Imagine, you'd all be as unwelcome as a Cuban communist here.

I just pity my Texan friends who have some sense.

[Razrhaghul]

get Daniel Miller back on the mic, he had a more childlike innocence, than this idiot.

so you hate the USA, you don't want their laws, and you don't want to pay taxes. quick solution: just go to Mexico. Liberals go to Canada, it's the equal opposite. the climate is the same as Texas, the government is powerless and you have all the liberty so long as you have either financial backing or firepower. Don't secede, emigrate.

[tucsonlex]

What is interesting is how people like him accused people on the left for hating America because they were criticizing Bush. Look who hates America now! Osama bin right-winger.

[zizuschrist]

Texas....what a shithole.

[YankeeOppressor1]

Wow, and I thought the luatic fringe was limited to Christian Conservatives like Pat Robertson....

So you guys have received some $700 Billion in the 2005 to 2009 budget. Can we have our money back please?

Morons

[strongmeasures]

He admits he doesn't know about the legality of it but insists there won't be a war. I wouldn't take directions from this clown to a 7-eleven.

[ImmortalSynn]

Are these people nuts?

...what are they gonna replace the FDA, FCC, DOJ, and just about every other federal agency that benefits states with?

How are they going to maintain their roads/airports/rails without FAA and DOT grants?

What are they going to do when Continental, American, and Southwest (all Texas-based airlines) all of a sudden get their domestic flight authorities revoked because they'd then be foreign carriers?

...did any of them put any REMOTE amount of thought into these things?

[clance90]

i think the point they want is to get rid of all these federal groups they see as unneccesary

They will probably make their own programs, its not like they are receiving more money from FAA and DOT than their citizens pay to feds in income tax

And the airlines are probably to make another point. the US will lose a lot of air transport capability without these companies, so the US with either be reliant on texas or commercial flight business would be overpriced and impossible to use in the US.

[ImmortalSynn]

"its not like they are receiving more money from FAA and DOT than their citizens pay to feds in income tax."

Where on Earth do you get that idea? The grants are from the entire national populace and divided among hub airports by demand. Since DFW/IAH are among the biggest markets, they get disproportional amounts.

[clance90]

Oh, see i thought we were talking about roads and rails, i suppose they may be a bit behind on the airport front, but if the cost of an airport goes up, the cost of the service will go up, and people there will rely more on rails and roads, its the way of the free market

[ImmortalSynn]

"so the US with either be reliant on texas or commercial flight business would be overpriced and impossible to use in the US."

Why in the world do you believe the airlines would stick around and deal with that manner of lunacy... when American can just as easily move its headquarters to its Chicago or Miami hubs, thus retaining its national identity and rights.

Continental can do the same for its NYC area hub at Newark; and Phoenix, Vegas, and California have been courting Southwest for years

[SourceCode2006]

Exactly, no one will stick around for New New Mexico to sort its shit out.

[clance90]

Well, they might decide to be good businessmen, considering their current positions. With America increasing taxes for the rich, and texas being against those taxes, i actually not only foresee businesses staying in texas, but actually moving to texas to increase their profits. This is the way business will do, if it is cheaper to do somewhere else, then they will do it there. So unless America treats texas like cuba (a definite possibility), and they lose customer base, they will move to texas

[ImmortalSynn]

And y'see, it's exactly THAT level of ridiculous shortsightedness (i.e., seeing the fiscal world in nothing but taxes) that begets the manner of thinking for this "movement" in the first place:

what good is saving a million in taxes if you lose a billion in newly imposed tariffs from the country that you just gave the finger to?

Who's gonna come to their rescue? The Europeans-- who just loveeee fringe right politics? lol Latin America, who these people express their hate for every day?

[thefriobum]

Actually its Freedom for those who truely understand what it means.Whites,Blacks,Hispanics, etc etc.They are here and are on board with seceding.

[SourceCode2006]

Then where are they at these rallies lol. They are on board? Yah right, the republicans don't even have black or hispanic supporters. The ones that do support are more for helping out the white man than their own races. Aka Michael Steele.

[realslim]

so... everybody should just support only their own race in a conflict and anyone that supports someone who happens to be of another race is a traitor.

how does that differ from racism?

[SourceCode2006]

Michael Steele isn't a traitor - he is what he is, a black man put as head of the Republican party because America elected a black president. He didn't have to be smart, he didn't have to be the best man for the job he just had to be black.

There are no blacks and hispanics supporting secession because its white racist shit heads supporting secession and the tea parties.

Find me a rally in support of this stuff that isn't a bunch of old racist crazy white people and I might agree with you.

[realslim]

it's a mistake to lump tea parties in with this secessionist stuff. there are, however, others besides whites supporting tea parties. check out Lloyd Marcus, and Walter E. Williams - you may learn something.

the argument that Michael Steele is at the head of the GOP just because he's black makes sense, but it's also dangerous for an Obama supporter. After all, Obama wasn't elected because he's qualified.

[SourceCode2006]

check out any documented video of any of these protests anywhere and you might learn something.

[realslim]

nice non-response. you did a good job of sounding like you were actually responding by imitating the structure of my statement, but you didn't actually respond to the content of it. I give you specific names, you give me "any documented video of any of these protests anywhere."  adequately vague- lets you think you've made a good point.

you redirect so much that discussion is of little value. I asked how the claim in your initial post is different from racism. try actually responding.

[SourceCode2006]

look, we know that anyone that isn't white or old isn't interested in this bullshit. you can write about answers and questions all day just like Glenn Beck but the fact stands strong - NO BLACK OR HISPANIC PEOPLE GO TO TEA PARTIES OR SECESSION RALLIES CAUSE THEY AREN'T PATHETIC WHITE PEOPLE WHO BITCH AND CRY 24/7 ANYTIME A BUSH ISN'T IN POWER TO GIVE THEM A WAR TO JERK OFF ABOUT :)

[uhclem50]

Freedom for white gun-toting baptists and nobody else.

[robb1031]

KOOK

[SourceCode2006]

What do we lose if Texas goes? 2 things, Jack and Shit!

This guys a perfect example of why we don't need Texas.

[clance90]

erm, try rice exports, American oil, tourism, and a few big technology firms?

[SourceCode2006]

Tourism is an export of Texas? lol who wants to go to the ghettos of houston and dallas for vacation? thanks but no thanks, i'll go somewhere nice and not filled with morons.

[clance90]

eh... tourism is not an export, just as american oil isnt... exports was just on rice. I think theres also a lot of wheat, and a lot of ranching, so you can see your meat prices rising (which might be a good thing). tourism would be the absolutely awesome beaches

[jdmdetroit]

All hat. No cattle.

[RedShirtArmy]

Absolutely! The Feds need to leave... and never come back.