I don't get why people would say it's an 18. It's hard as fuck yes, but not 18 worthy. Just look at We Fucking Hate You. I would say it's leagues harder than this chart. The last 30% of WFHY is just endless runs at 220 filled with 24th and 32nd drills. Nothing in this chart has anything that hard.
@xynnselect There is no standard for 18s yet. WFHY is clearly way harder than any 17, enough so to be an 18, but that doesn't make it the absolute bottom of 18s. This chart is harder than any other pad 17 ever passed on foot. Saying something isn't an 18 because its easy than WFHY is like saying something isn't a 17 because its easier than scatman, or isn't a 16 because its easier than Vertex Beta. This might not be an 18, but if not its close.
@Sigatrev I understand your point. Arvin had made the same one when I discussed it with him. But the way I see it, the difficulty gap between this and WFHY is pretty huge. Like, judging by this video I would guess that I could 96-97 this song index on SM. Where as with WFHY I can just barely break 80 on it playing spread, and not even get close to a pass index. So based on the gap in difficulty between songs, if this is an 18, WFHY would be pushed to the 19 block range. Just my opinion though
Would this be the first 17 that has earned the rating almost purely for the stamina requirement rather than a high footspeed requisite? I mean, granted, the 24ths and 32nds in this are extremely fast, but I look at this, and what strikes me is that I can't think of anything really comparable in terms of raw stamina.
@Sigatrev I can see the case for that, but I think it's difficult without more extant 17s that aren't footspeed-driven to really make that call. This is definitely harder than a solid stamina-16 like Beta, but there's just nothing else in the 17-footer range that you can really compare this chart to.
Course, rating is all subjective anyway. I just think this would be an interesting direction for some new charts to explore.
@ShinerCCC Its not weird if you think about it. I never went early on that stuff because I this song is really tiring. In the 24th drills its virtually impossible to get a late decent because the next arrow shows up barely into that window, if you're that late you get a miss and hit the next arrow instead. On the 32nds it IS impossible to get worse than a late great. In 16th stream at that speed its pretty difficult to be THAT far off in timing without bracketing which I didn't do.
@Sigatrev Are you saying you literally can't get a combo breaker that isn't a miss when you do 180 bpm stream? So just like Dethklok, "we canst nots plays dat slowly!"??
@ShinerCCC For 32nd drills, it is not possible to get a late, non-miss combo break. For 24th drills you have a .009 seconds after the late great window ends to get a late decent before you get a miss and hit the next arrow instead. For 16th stream you have to be really bad at the game..
WHat is a candle? Bro you should make helping instructional videos. Ive been playing around 9 months now and I can pass most 9 footers but I dont feel like I have solid technique. I never know when to bracket or if im doing it right
@Sigatrev but I never see you do cross overs which DDR has a shit ton of and I thought bracketing was the easy way to play crossovers? Is there another way?
@kietey14 I pretty much never play anything with crossovers because I hate them and they are stupid. That said, double-stepping and bracketing are not the same thing.
@kietey14 A candle is any motion that moves a foot over the center panel. Imagine a candle in the middle - if you knock it over, it's a candle. I.e. Up Right Down makes you swing your left leg from up to down, knocking a candle over.
after reading several comments i still dont think people realize that you make charts look alot easier than they actually are ._.
Speh2 1 year ago
this needs a full body view, like your most recent videos. love this song/chart/video
ddrdemon 1 year ago
I don't get why people would say it's an 18. It's hard as fuck yes, but not 18 worthy. Just look at We Fucking Hate You. I would say it's leagues harder than this chart. The last 30% of WFHY is just endless runs at 220 filled with 24th and 32nd drills. Nothing in this chart has anything that hard.
xynnselect 1 year ago
@xynnselect There is no standard for 18s yet. WFHY is clearly way harder than any 17, enough so to be an 18, but that doesn't make it the absolute bottom of 18s. This chart is harder than any other pad 17 ever passed on foot. Saying something isn't an 18 because its easy than WFHY is like saying something isn't a 17 because its easier than scatman, or isn't a 16 because its easier than Vertex Beta. This might not be an 18, but if not its close.
Sigatrev 1 year ago
@Sigatrev I understand your point. Arvin had made the same one when I discussed it with him. But the way I see it, the difficulty gap between this and WFHY is pretty huge. Like, judging by this video I would guess that I could 96-97 this song index on SM. Where as with WFHY I can just barely break 80 on it playing spread, and not even get close to a pass index. So based on the gap in difficulty between songs, if this is an 18, WFHY would be pushed to the 19 block range. Just my opinion though
xynnselect 1 year ago
Would this be the first 17 that has earned the rating almost purely for the stamina requirement rather than a high footspeed requisite? I mean, granted, the 24ths and 32nds in this are extremely fast, but I look at this, and what strikes me is that I can't think of anything really comparable in terms of raw stamina.
ArchiVeflax 1 year ago
@ArchiVeflax If its a 17 then yes. Paul thinks it might be an 18 and I'm not sure I disagree with him.
Sigatrev 1 year ago
@Sigatrev I can see the case for that, but I think it's difficult without more extant 17s that aren't footspeed-driven to really make that call. This is definitely harder than a solid stamina-16 like Beta, but there's just nothing else in the 17-footer range that you can really compare this chart to.
Course, rating is all subjective anyway. I just think this would be an interesting direction for some new charts to explore.
ArchiVeflax 1 year ago
Lol, Tachyon Gamma preview.
Anyways OMGGG u r teh WR0ST player EVAR!!1 REAL DDR PLAYERS play w/o teh BAR N plays 16ths 240bpm!!!!!!122315sd54s86e84s
kefkasakura 1 year ago
that was weird, your combo breakers were only 33 misses. no decents or way offs. o_O
nice chart btw, but I think it's weird how your 32nd trills always start on the left foot, have some start with the right for some variety
ShinerCCC 1 year ago
@ShinerCCC Its not weird if you think about it. I never went early on that stuff because I this song is really tiring. In the 24th drills its virtually impossible to get a late decent because the next arrow shows up barely into that window, if you're that late you get a miss and hit the next arrow instead. On the 32nds it IS impossible to get worse than a late great. In 16th stream at that speed its pretty difficult to be THAT far off in timing without bracketing which I didn't do.
Sigatrev 1 year ago
@Sigatrev Are you saying you literally can't get a combo breaker that isn't a miss when you do 180 bpm stream? So just like Dethklok, "we canst nots plays dat slowly!"??
AWESOME
ShinerCCC 1 year ago
@ShinerCCC For 32nd drills, it is not possible to get a late, non-miss combo break. For 24th drills you have a .009 seconds after the late great window ends to get a late decent before you get a miss and hit the next arrow instead. For 16th stream you have to be really bad at the game..
Sigatrev 1 year ago
At the start this reminded me of the original one I sent you with the 32nds, but then I realised that all the 16ths were candles..
mad props for using it as the end bg. Best part of the song imo
SerenadeSnow 1 year ago
how
rocker308 1 year ago
HAHAHAHA really? i love you matt
darkxuxa 1 year ago
hahahahaha did you put that overlay at the end to cover up your breathing?
Zetorux 1 year ago
@Zetorux I just love that part of the song, its so epic. But yeah I was panting like Rynker's mom on a hot summer day.
Sigatrev 1 year ago
WHat is a candle? Bro you should make helping instructional videos. Ive been playing around 9 months now and I can pass most 9 footers but I dont feel like I have solid technique. I never know when to bracket or if im doing it right
kietey14 1 year ago
@kietey14 If you're bracketing ever, you're doing it wrong.
Sigatrev 1 year ago
@Sigatrev but I never see you do cross overs which DDR has a shit ton of and I thought bracketing was the easy way to play crossovers? Is there another way?
kietey14 1 year ago
@kietey14 It is called Heel-Toe
MizukiTHPS 1 year ago
@kietey14 I pretty much never play anything with crossovers because I hate them and they are stupid. That said, double-stepping and bracketing are not the same thing.
Sigatrev 1 year ago
@kietey14 A candle is any motion that moves a foot over the center panel. Imagine a candle in the middle - if you knock it over, it's a candle. I.e. Up Right Down makes you swing your left leg from up to down, knocking a candle over.
Patashu 1 year ago
I watched this and my knees instantly started hurting
xrandom1x 1 year ago
JACK BE NIMBLE JACK BE QUICK that's a lot of candles.
Tonloc93 1 year ago
this looks like a 14 AT MOST
ArvinGhassemi 1 year ago
@ArvinGhassemi Its a 7, that 1 is there by mistake.
Sigatrev 1 year ago
@Sigatrev seems about right
ArvinGhassemi 1 year ago
When are you going to start stepping/passing 18's?
ZiTiM 1 year ago
@ZiTiM I'm hoping within the next few months.
Sigatrev 1 year ago
...why?
Why, after all this, after Whazamup, after DUMPSTREAM, must you feel that you still gotta move faster?
PancakesoftheLove 1 year ago
@PancakesoftheLove I fear for the worst...330 bpm 16th note runs for 10 hours...IT'S THE FUTURE
Rami2145 1 year ago
@Rami2145 FUUUUTUUURRREEEE
PancakesoftheLove 1 year ago
this chart needs more brackets
jk god damn this is insane stamina right here O.O
icontrolyourworld 1 year ago
What the fuck did I just watch?
vivalamoochicken 1 year ago
Matt you should try Let Them Move.....seriously.
FailsAtSM 1 year ago 8
Do you think you'll ever make any doubles charts?
DoomThroughDoom 1 year ago
As if Tachyon Beta was impossible enough haha
Weemo 1 year ago 4
for the love of god
chaoticshinobi 1 year ago
I don't think you made it hard enough, needs more arrows.
Phoenix3568 1 year ago
What's the point of 0:47?
cxgamer 1 year ago
That looks like it'd hurt.
Skyhawk432 1 year ago 2
how can you do that on pad that good O.O?
rossi3200 1 year ago
Holy cow that's a lot of candles.
Patashu 1 year ago