Oh YouTube XD anyways were was I? Oh ya. Be thankful for what you have and what God has given you You everyday. I'm not forcing anything on anyone but just think about...
Atheism - When you believe there is no God but you have no proof to back it up.
Christianity - To long to describe but to sum it up...You believe in God,Jesus,And what the Bible says. (Which I do)
Scientist - Are dumb because they give a theory against the bible but about 2 months later they change there minds or ditch the theory cause they can't back it up. Believe in what you want to believe in but remember that Jesus died for ALL of OUR sins and that you must be thankful for what yo
@GodRulezD00d i am so lucky that i found jesus at age 17,,and now iam 29,.,.its so great the lord died for my sins and now i can pillage murder rape cheat fraud and still i will go to heaven,.,,.this has to be the best deal any loving god can give, i mean whatelse can u ask for,,.,.,these idiotic atheists and other religious people dont see logic behind jesus merciful ways,.because he knows our weaknesses,,.,.thats the only reason god sends to heaven many pedophilic popes over the centuries,.,.,
@GodRulezD00d You are an idiot. You can't prove a negative, the burden of proof is with you the one making a claim (and by the way, the bible is not proof of god). Scientists are the ones that gave you this opportunity to spout your nonsense on the internet, cured or prevented illness and made your life much easier, you clearly don't understand what a theory is. People like you just annoy me to no end, you are either willfully ignorant or just plain and simply an idiot.
@mgigkgeg Alright chill bro, i believe that there is a God, you don't. and i respect that. i'm not trying to shove anything down anyone's throat. Just calm your nipples...
@GodRulezD00d Don't say 'bro' you loser, you just sound like a wanker. I don't care if you believe in god, I do however get irritated by the fact that you are an idiot and you are too lazy to understand basic terminology yet feel the need to spout your ignorance to everyone else.
These people in the video completely miss the point of the film- it was made to expose the shiftiness of both capitalism and religion- it was based on a book written by a socialist and I find their lack of mentioning the political motivation behind the film to be annoying. This film was a critique of our society as a whole but I guess Daniel Day Lewis did in fact act so well you could talk about that for hours whilst missing the point of the film.
Quote : "are both prepared to use religion for their own ends, but Eli is either deluded himself or is deliberately misleading others. How can we distinguish between religious delusion and the real thing?"
Science understands 5% of what there is to know about the ocean, and less than 1% about the universe. I find it strange that we can rule out God completely. People blame religion. Blaming religion is like blaming music for bands like the Insane Clown Posse, or blaming cinema for movies like the last Robin Hood. People can use whatever medium they want to help spread their beliefs, be it love, hate or what have you. In the end, it's humans who commit travesty, and humans who should be blamed.
In order for nothing to exist, something must exist to make the claim that nothing also exists. Nothing is something, but everything is nothing. Isness is and isn't, isness is the definition of infinity with nothing. Everything is nothing and nothing is everything. I have been an atheist for 20 years, but lately I find that the purpose is to ask why, and that why can never be explained as long as there is "isness". There is a beautiful cycle of Q&A, your purpose is to be and not to be.
One must realize that with science, there is no need to believe. There is no faith. There is not truth or lie, there is only evidence. You do not believe that someone tells the truth or have faith that "man" will do the "right" thing. With atheism there is only evidence. In order to progress there must be an infinite amount of questions to supply the purpose... which is-> to find all of the answers to every question. To have all answers to all questions = to have everything and nothing.
"if you have a milkshake and i have a milkshake and i have a straw, there it is thats a straw you see ? watching. My straw reaches acroooooossssss the room and start to drink your milkshake. I start drinking your milkshake, i drink it up !!" Love this movie
yeah it is true that religion is flawed now, but it isn't true that the power of belief is non existent
atheists are like inanimate objects, there's no hunger to be, there is only a vesel cultivated by a BELIEF in predetermined calculations created by authorities of the past.
lol, love it when he says "historically orthodox christianity grounded in the bible and the evidence for the reliability of the bible". the only content in the bible that is supported by reliable evidence is that of an historical nature: dates, the presence of civilisations and rulers, possibly names of other prominent figures. the belief in 'heavenly powers' that comes with it is one purely grounded in faith, without plausable evidence to support it. christianity is not alone in this.
if you cant tell the difference between someone genuine and fake like eli in this film ur just a plank,obviously there are people who are crazy and who will preach anything for there own gain and not care at all about others,but if you fall for those your just crazy.However people like eli are masters at takeing advantage of the desperate who maybe looking for answers.But to say it begs the question christians in general are crazy is just as stupid as believeing eli.
It's no coincidence that most men of the cloth are in the closet homosexuals & child molesters. If the devil were real, he would have created the church, where thousands of boys have been molested...Eat it bitches!
@qqqTOXICqqq Haha, incidentally, I find it amusing when some ignorant asshole delights himself in naming another stupid, yet ironically does so in a similarly stupid fashion. You're no exception to this rule. So once again, YOU"RE the stupid man! It shouldn't take an english teacher to recognize the difference between "you" and "you're". This is something most of us learn in the 4th grade. Haha
organized religion, in most ways, is a bad idea. Spiritual belief, or the lack thereof, should be between you and you alone. Now whether that belief has you attending church every sunday, well, that's up to you.
@peicemakerSS22 Eli was not a Christian fundamentalist. He did what he could, to manipulate who he could. Remember when Daniel pinned him in the mud? Eli's way to regain "control" was to take advantage of a helpless old man and do the same to him. Religion, in it's purest form, can unite a people and instill a feeling of brotherhood for a just cause. Incidentally, it can be used to bring a union to commit great horrors. It all rests on who is buying, who is selling, and when they're doing it.
i think that Eli was a version Christianity. i'm a person of faith myself and i've seen plenty of preachers and followers doing much the same as Eli. people believe will what they want to believe and i can't very well blame people with the same sort of character as Eli for using that blind faith to their advantage. it's unethical and immoral, but it's real. the main thing that made me dislike Eli was he was a kid trying to play a man's game. boy did he lose lol
I have seen this film countless times since it was released and it has never been about Daniel and Eli, although certain themes can be drawn from their parallels and opposites. This is Daniel's story and Eli is simply an element that draws the rest of him into view. It's not religion, but nihilism that is the theme of this story. The tearing down of God and the raising of one's own power. What's interesting is that the true "killer of God" is Eli, although Daniel strives to be the trigger man.
You have to look past "Christianity" in general. The point is that Eli has an influence over the thinking of the people in the town, who do not question the sanctity of Eli, because to question him would be questioning their own pride. It's like in the United States today. Instead of questioning if there is actually is Freedom, people just except the rhetoric from the preachers/ politicians as evidence. It's not really an anti-Christianity message, as it is an anti-authoritarian message.
I didn't catch "you lusted after women" until now while it is clear that Daniel Plainview is either impotent or is just disgusted by everyone.
I always though TWBB was about power and greed and how it controls our lives. The power of wealth (Plainview) and the power over the people (Eli). By the end it's easy to see that Eli isn't really interested in God at all because he was willing to forsake all of his beliefs for a chance of controlling more people (through money of course).
All Eli would have to do is just walk away at the end and he would have won. Maybe not win, he was kind of screwed over from the beginning but he could at least keep something of his away from Plainview. Capitalism seems to be in align with Religion here. People are willing to do and allow terrible things for a promise of something that we have little or no control over. We must look away from these promises and see life as it is here and now.
People don't need a belief system that's why we were all given brains in order to think for ourselves but sadly a lot of you people think all of the worlds answers are in a bed time story book so seriously try to evolve and realize you have been brainwashed.......
Not that I care entirely where this thread goes but a.) I don't know what sort of plant life existed in that era but I'll generally agree with Butlerboi and
b.) Plenty of people feel the flood was indeed catastrophic but localized to the Near East region
hehe if the world was completely covered in water for 40 days the plants would not have survived thus ecosystems would colapse and oxygen would deplete ^^
no i'm an atheist - and you can't spell. i was trying to show you the difference between VEIN and VAIN, idiot. But I see you can't even tell the difference between "you're" and "your".
The reason why america and it's foreign policy so fuked up nowadays is because of those stupid christians. America is rooted from a stupid concept of everyone be others' keepers. Self-interest is considered immoral.
To hell with jesus, the stupid ignorant hippie twat.
This is why Clinton adm. bombed and captuared Miloshevich, a nationalist who trying to maximize the benefit of his own ppl.
Turan123, this is where your self proclaimed inteligence loses it's credability, blaming other people's problems and maybe even your own on something doesn't make your opinion at all valid.
Its obvious you just want attention by saying "to hell with Jesus", sorry but I have better things to do.
OK, forget the debate (on this thread) of Jan-Mar of '09. HERE is the theme: GOD can be capitalized upon MORE than OIL. There, I said it... discuss among yourselves. Kogerii may have gotten it.
The onlt delusion is the denial of something a person hasn't seen or exprienced and takes it out of themselves n other people.
Atheism is a good example of it, with its religious nature and its devestating effects on the human race, luckily but sadly the atheist religion will end up snuffing itself out.
Actually, believers are a lot more like Atheist, than an Atheist is a like a believer.
You see:
To be an atheist means you reject the belief in god and/or gods and the superstitious dogmas and ceremonies that come with it.
To be a believer means you reject the belief in god and/or gods and the superstitious dogmas and ceremonies that come with it of other faiths except for YOUR god's.
So you see, the difference is that an atheist doesn't make that exception, but as a believer, you do.
But its almost as if people "require" a belief system, even atheists have one which is why its called atheism and not just.... nothing, atheists require a set of belief in order to counter others, any belief in my opinion that makes fun of or condones violence against another is really bad in my opinion.
Atheis is a system of belief, not disbelief, you believe there is no higher power and you have nothing to back that up, a very poor religion but a religion nontheless.
that is not a belief system...its just one single belief. everyone has things they do and dont believe in... i dont believe in santa cluas, the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, ghosts, or the flying spaghetti monster. But that doesnt mean there religions...a religion is a system of beliefs centered around a diety or supernatural force...how the hell do you get "atheism is a religion" out of that?
Atheism is a religion because they believe in an absence of something they can't disprove, I can confidently say there is heck of alot more evidence that proves God than not.
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Well good, I can respect that belief, but the total lakc of openmindedness of atheism, I can respect people's right to choose but I have no respect for the belief system.
you believe whatever convenient shit you read in the Bible, which for your info is filled with contradictions that makes absolutely no sense to anybody who gave it some thought
You have actually replied to a comment I made like fucking 3 months ago?
You have got to be kidding.... FYI I have never read the whole Bible and I'm not a very religious person, everything you've said is a big fat fallacy and I'm going to bother having an actual disucission with you.
Thank you for confirming to me that you're a troll before I even looked at your account page, peace.
watch what you say dude, Atheism is not devestating the human race, bible thumping assholes like you are. I have nothing against christians, I can live with them, many of my friends and my family is christian, but I am not, therefore I would expect people to accept my differences and not question why I don't go to church or believe in god, I don't for my own reasons. Next time think about how many people you're hurting by saying rude and cruel things, I already have to deal with this shit enough
@sullivan328 Bald is a lack of hair, and atheism is a lack of a belief. A lack of a belief can't be a religion, or indeed even a philosophy. It's a statement of position on one item. This would be rather like me saying you have a religion in not believing in chupacabras, the loch ness monster, unicorns, or any other thing you may not believe in. You would certainly have a lot of religions piling up very quickly with all the things you don't believe in.
It's definitely not a religion, but you could argue that it is a disbelief, or a belief for some, based on evidence and reasoning, however it's biased. It's settling with being certain in something it can't be certain in.
@bluestrobe1 I don't know about all of that. But, I can tell you tomorrow I will be not going to a rock concert, not eating pizza, and not collecting stamps.
This movie is awesome. There is no god. There are no gods.
You're so full of shit ShaggyTheClown. Religion if anything has held back the development of the human race throughout history. Need I remind you how the church persecuted early scientists who claimed earth was round and that the earth actually orbited the sun? How about how Darwin was ridiculed?
Atheism is not a religion because it has no fixed beliefs other than there is no God. Atheists have no holy days or some commandments one has to follow. Atheists think themselves, which is human.
@2505994 the purpose of the atheist life is the same like yours just you shit about religion,make children and then you die.Otherwise purpose of the engineer's life is totally different story,his purpose is to make life better for assholes like you and atheists
Read some history you fool. I know you want to blame everything on the "evil Christians" despite the fact your society is founded on such beliefs, but the only accomplishments of atheism has been new justifications for mass murder. Thinking for themselves? If that what you call deluding yourself into self-worship and nihilistic bullshit?
@beakon7 oh yea makes sense considering christianity only came about when most advanced societies like the mayans, egyptians, africans were technologicaly more advanced in mathematics and biology and understood the principles of space, smh i resent being baptized into a religion where killing has been justified in the name of a god..
@AlexDeLarge90 The Church never persecuted anyone who claimed the earth was round. That's a 19th century lie with no evidence… something atheists frequently accuse the religious of doing.
Yes, and without the Church holding back the progress of science and well, anything, the people during the Renaissance would never have had the drive to learn and explore.
@AlexDeLarge90 To be more clear Athiests are objective. The atheist position is simply to descide that god and religion is nothing more than baseless fantasy/delusion. None will deny the strangeness and mystery of existence. It's most possitive to simply investigate reality absent of any assumptions.
@AlexDeLarge90 Mind you the social/ emotional advances we've made as a race BECAUSE of religion. Our ability to separate ourselves from animals is due not to mere biological factors, but because of learned and inspired religion (an idea or not).
You can spend all day trying to prove your point my friend, but in the end, the only one your trying to convince is either A) yourself, B) the masses.... either way, what makes you right?
The answer is neither, have a nice day pushing your beliefs.
@JLXOutlaw christians are usually the ones pushing their beliefs and while religion gives some people a reason to live it gives other people a reason to control people and start bloody inquisitons i would rather live my life free than follow pointless dogma but in the end noone can say they know what happens after death cause none of us have been there yet
@AlexDeLarge90 I still ridicule Darwin. Because he was full of shit. He made his Evolutionary theory sound very pleasing, but there is no evidence that links us with monkeys(or that we have the same ancestors).
It's interesting rather how we today in this modern age, the ones that do not believe in the Evolution theory are QUICKLY ridiculed as soon as we say that we don't believe in it. The bible never claimed that the Earth was flat.
i suggest a great vid on here called "turns out we did come from monkeys" by aronra. there is quite a bit of evidence actually. and to say that "darwin was full of shit" demonstrates a huge lack of knowledge on your part, because i find irresponsible and fallacious statements like far more "full of shit" than anything darwin ever wrote or theorized about. and no, the bible doesn't say right out that the world is flat, but it suggests it, and a great many believed it, & some still do.
@AlexDeLarge90 I have no major gripe with what you say here, but I must point out that Atheism is a lack of belief, as opposed to the fixed belief that there is no God. That's closer to Anti-theism.
Otherwise, I'm even more fervent than you in what you say.
yes its very easy to ask questions that make you feel uncomftable especially when the person were talking with agrees with you. plus the idea that god should be empirically provable is not valid since if we expect the premise that god created the all empirical existence then why should god be bound by the laws that govern empirically observable matter?
Humm let's examine that claim shall we. A real Christian (not like Eli there) is a person who believes that God became a man named Jesus, who fulfilled all prophecies told about him hundreds of years before his birth (the odds of one man doing so are in the billions by the way).
Then he died on a cross and rose again and by his sacrifice all of us were redeemed of sin.
A faith that then tells you all you must do is accept its true and believe and you are saved...
So, all you need to do is accept that God loves you enough to die for you and take away your sin and then conquer death for you. To believe in love so great that one can lay down their life for another.
Oh I can certainly see the idiocy in this alright...I mean, believing in love, and in sacrifice to save others, even those who hate you.
I know I have said nothing to persuade many of you, if any, but I have no intentions of preaching further, I ask only that you respect my right to believe.
Tony Watkins and Tom Price are thick. I knew in the first scene Eli just wanted money. He used the Church b/c it was socially acceptable, would give him more money, and popularity. Christian preachers are the same. They want payed for public speaking; they don't want to work to earn their keep and stay at parishioners homes like Paul did.
I cant understand if Paul and Eli are the same person in the movie or -like someone say here- they are different characters, and Paul just run away with the money. In another topic, not all christian people are false prophet, and a lot of them make good actions in order to help helpless people. Also, not all businessman are so selfish and offensives.
There is a strong hate in Daniel which drives him on. Like he says, he only sees the worst in people.
Eli is the contrary of Paul. Blinded by religion, he didn't made the choise like Paul who was an opportunist and left with 10.000 in cash. Daniel used Eli and didn't gave him a shit. That's what religion sometimes does: the opium of people.
Eli was told by Daniel that he was givin 10thousand dollars and now has 3 wells bringing in 5k a week to rub more salt in eli's wounds...it was a lie to get under the little bastard's skin.....
paul just wanted 500 hundered dollars and he was out of there, no more no less. Watch the movie again and pay attention this time or watch it with an adult and ask questions
that's not my fukin point. At the end, Eli comes back to Daniel sayin he is in trouble and needed money. If he had been like Paul he would have had his own drilling or what so ever.
Daniel says he paid Paul 10,000 "just like that" in the end.
Name calling and incorrect grammar in the same sentence always makes me smile : )
Awaiting your hot shot come back!
Now, he did give him 500, but right before that there was talk of 600, and a bonus of 1000 if he found it to be prosperous. So it's very very plausible that an off screen deal was done after the drilling started and it proved "prosperous".
He did leave with 500 after that particular meeting though when he first met Daniel.
In response to the video: Eli is as much a representative of Christianity as Daniel is a representative of businessmen. Both are extremes. Although an interesting point to consider is that being a businessmen by profession necessarily entails the use of deception; does this mean that there is deception at the heart of Christianity? That doesn't seem like a fair comparison. Perhaps if we compare "businessmen" with "evangelists" then we're getting closer to something.
I agree that this movie is openly ambiguous, chrisrdow, but I think Eli's character is actually more complex than you make him out to be. I watched this movie the other day and came to the conclusion that Eli is literally insane--schizophrenic--as evidenced by his double personality as Paul/Eli. (I don't think arguing that "Paul" is a real person is a tenable argument). I see Eli as Daniel's foil, a character whose theatrics disguise a naked impulse to "succeed."
just have to add: look at how names have been used,obviously biblical,this is a device more than symbolic.You are supposed to ponder the role of Paul in the early church and who was Eli the oil/"blood of lamb" metaphore-delibrate obfuscation).This movie is lavishly adorned but very few people I think "viewed" for what it was. I just loved this film, in terms or story,writing,visuals,music, powefull acting this quality has been seen so rarely... and the pundits had so much to spew.
I think what has been completely missed is this movie at times is openly ambiguous. If you look closely at daniel planview he is the classic flawed hero. In my mind he is a good person who has been hurt and betrayed since childhood and doesnt expect anything else from people. Eli is much less complex he is an entreprenuer and is more an echo of the bankers daniel has to deal with. Religion is a convenient theme and backdrop but is completely subserviant to the character study of daniel.
That wasn't Eli at the start, that was his brother, the actor playing eli dropped out and Dano had to play both.
timothyw98 3 months ago
Oh YouTube XD anyways were was I? Oh ya. Be thankful for what you have and what God has given you You everyday. I'm not forcing anything on anyone but just think about...
GodRulezD00d 4 months ago
Atheism - When you believe there is no God but you have no proof to back it up.
Christianity - To long to describe but to sum it up...You believe in God,Jesus,And what the Bible says. (Which I do)
Scientist - Are dumb because they give a theory against the bible but about 2 months later they change there minds or ditch the theory cause they can't back it up. Believe in what you want to believe in but remember that Jesus died for ALL of OUR sins and that you must be thankful for what yo
GodRulezD00d 4 months ago
@GodRulezD00d i am so lucky that i found jesus at age 17,,and now iam 29,.,.its so great the lord died for my sins and now i can pillage murder rape cheat fraud and still i will go to heaven,.,,.this has to be the best deal any loving god can give, i mean whatelse can u ask for,,.,.,these idiotic atheists and other religious people dont see logic behind jesus merciful ways,.because he knows our weaknesses,,.,.thats the only reason god sends to heaven many pedophilic popes over the centuries,.,.,
MrMasoodrodman1 4 months ago
@GodRulezD00d You are an idiot. You can't prove a negative, the burden of proof is with you the one making a claim (and by the way, the bible is not proof of god). Scientists are the ones that gave you this opportunity to spout your nonsense on the internet, cured or prevented illness and made your life much easier, you clearly don't understand what a theory is. People like you just annoy me to no end, you are either willfully ignorant or just plain and simply an idiot.
mgigkgeg 1 week ago
@mgigkgeg Just...just stop. Nothing you do or say is going to change my views on my savior.
GodRulezD00d 6 days ago
@GodRulezD00d dumbass
mgigkgeg 6 days ago
@mgigkgeg I think i won..Good night!
GodRulezD00d 6 days ago
@GodRulezD00d Yep you sure did mate, congrats. Give me your address so I can send you your stubborn, delusional dumbass trophy
mgigkgeg 6 days ago
@mgigkgeg Alright chill bro, i believe that there is a God, you don't. and i respect that. i'm not trying to shove anything down anyone's throat. Just calm your nipples...
GodRulezD00d 6 days ago
@GodRulezD00d Don't say 'bro' you loser, you just sound like a wanker. I don't care if you believe in god, I do however get irritated by the fact that you are an idiot and you are too lazy to understand basic terminology yet feel the need to spout your ignorance to everyone else.
mgigkgeg 6 days ago
I am sooooooorrrrrry Lawwwwd hahaha Dano's hilarious
teameymelli1 4 months ago
I'm atheist.
Casper4092 5 months ago
@Casper4092 *golf clap* fanatical elitist atheists are on the same coin as fanatical religious nuts
iceguy0077 4 months ago
wow, toot many coments to read, fucking lighten up people, this is a good video, thanks for making it :D , and people need to calm the fuck down
Giles4200 6 months ago
These people in the video completely miss the point of the film- it was made to expose the shiftiness of both capitalism and religion- it was based on a book written by a socialist and I find their lack of mentioning the political motivation behind the film to be annoying. This film was a critique of our society as a whole but I guess Daniel Day Lewis did in fact act so well you could talk about that for hours whilst missing the point of the film.
crud4 6 months ago
Quote : "are both prepared to use religion for their own ends, but Eli is either deluded himself or is deliberately misleading others. How can we distinguish between religious delusion and the real thing?"
Real thing? there is no real thing.
TheJackson1974 6 months ago
Science understands 5% of what there is to know about the ocean, and less than 1% about the universe. I find it strange that we can rule out God completely. People blame religion. Blaming religion is like blaming music for bands like the Insane Clown Posse, or blaming cinema for movies like the last Robin Hood. People can use whatever medium they want to help spread their beliefs, be it love, hate or what have you. In the end, it's humans who commit travesty, and humans who should be blamed.
gladehatch 6 months ago
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gladehatch 6 months ago
I have an answer for the question @ 5:35:
When people start fighting over the difference, that's when you know.
comicbookjunkie1 6 months ago
Even more so than the enemy of all decent humanity, religion is definitely the clearest enemy of women and womens' rights
AMpufnstuf 7 months ago
Gettinghitonattheban has it right.
Johnnyblazedanketch 8 months ago
In order for nothing to exist, something must exist to make the claim that nothing also exists. Nothing is something, but everything is nothing. Isness is and isn't, isness is the definition of infinity with nothing. Everything is nothing and nothing is everything. I have been an atheist for 20 years, but lately I find that the purpose is to ask why, and that why can never be explained as long as there is "isness". There is a beautiful cycle of Q&A, your purpose is to be and not to be.
Johnnyblazedanketch 8 months ago
One must realize that with science, there is no need to believe. There is no faith. There is not truth or lie, there is only evidence. You do not believe that someone tells the truth or have faith that "man" will do the "right" thing. With atheism there is only evidence. In order to progress there must be an infinite amount of questions to supply the purpose... which is-> to find all of the answers to every question. To have all answers to all questions = to have everything and nothing.
Johnnyblazedanketch 8 months ago
I love how the top rated comments are full of ownage
ObliviousBurrito 9 months ago
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Mr11MUSICMAN 10 months ago
Daniel Day Lewis is OH MY!! the amazing actor, ever!
Tzipporah36 11 months ago
@Kubrick1989
He also said this-
Golf is a good walk spoiled.
Alldayeveryday404 1 year ago
@Kubrick1989 Mark Twain also said this-
the only difference between german wine and vinegar is the label
Alldayeveryday404 1 year ago
@Alldayeveryday404 Mark Twain also said this:
"If I had a dollar for every whore I choked to death...I'd have three dollars."
undisputedgreatest 10 months ago
"if you have a milkshake and i have a milkshake and i have a straw, there it is thats a straw you see ? watching. My straw reaches acroooooossssss the room and start to drink your milkshake. I start drinking your milkshake, i drink it up !!" Love this movie
Mack11gunz 1 year ago
yeah it is true that religion is flawed now, but it isn't true that the power of belief is non existent
atheists are like inanimate objects, there's no hunger to be, there is only a vesel cultivated by a BELIEF in predetermined calculations created by authorities of the past.
sounds a lot like religious people doesn't it?
Inside7out 1 year ago
atheism is not a religion. atheists dont beleive in religion, so calling atheism a religion makes no sense
blaaairVideos 1 year ago
lol, love it when he says "historically orthodox christianity grounded in the bible and the evidence for the reliability of the bible". the only content in the bible that is supported by reliable evidence is that of an historical nature: dates, the presence of civilisations and rulers, possibly names of other prominent figures. the belief in 'heavenly powers' that comes with it is one purely grounded in faith, without plausable evidence to support it. christianity is not alone in this.
hoinky 1 year ago
if you cant tell the difference between someone genuine and fake like eli in this film ur just a plank,obviously there are people who are crazy and who will preach anything for there own gain and not care at all about others,but if you fall for those your just crazy.However people like eli are masters at takeing advantage of the desperate who maybe looking for answers.But to say it begs the question christians in general are crazy is just as stupid as believeing eli.
royaldutch101 1 year ago
Colleen Foy
rgz1985 1 year ago
It's no coincidence that most men of the cloth are in the closet homosexuals & child molesters. If the devil were real, he would have created the church, where thousands of boys have been molested...Eat it bitches!
qqqTOXICqqq 1 year ago
Your a stupid stupid man!
qqqTOXICqqq 1 year ago
@qqqTOXICqqq *you're
jswinder 1 year ago
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qqqTOXICqqq 1 year ago
@qqqTOXICqqq Haha, incidentally, I find it amusing when some ignorant asshole delights himself in naming another stupid, yet ironically does so in a similarly stupid fashion. You're no exception to this rule. So once again, YOU"RE the stupid man! It shouldn't take an english teacher to recognize the difference between "you" and "you're". This is something most of us learn in the 4th grade. Haha
jswinder 1 year ago
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qqqTOXICqqq 1 year ago
Religion aside, these guys miss the point of the film by an entire mile
HolyZombiJesus 1 year ago
organized religion, in most ways, is a bad idea. Spiritual belief, or the lack thereof, should be between you and you alone. Now whether that belief has you attending church every sunday, well, that's up to you.
branchbros 1 year ago
You are the crazy one, motherfucker.
fansdesofia 1 year ago
arguing zealously about how religion is best for humanity or how atheism is best for humanity does not, itself, seem to be good for humanity
Bananadine 1 year ago
Im an oil man.
Empirical1980 1 year ago
"I am a false prophet, God is a superstition!"
DodgerFan1988 1 year ago
Daniel Plainview= Atheist, Eli Sunday= Christian fundamentalist. Hmmmm.... BTW, im an atheist.. This is one of my 10 favorite movies, i must say.
peicemakerSS22 1 year ago
@peicemakerSS22 Eli was not a Christian fundamentalist. He did what he could, to manipulate who he could. Remember when Daniel pinned him in the mud? Eli's way to regain "control" was to take advantage of a helpless old man and do the same to him. Religion, in it's purest form, can unite a people and instill a feeling of brotherhood for a just cause. Incidentally, it can be used to bring a union to commit great horrors. It all rests on who is buying, who is selling, and when they're doing it.
jswinder 1 year ago
@jswinder excellent response. i completely agree.
peicemakerSS22 1 year ago
i think that Eli was a version Christianity. i'm a person of faith myself and i've seen plenty of preachers and followers doing much the same as Eli. people believe will what they want to believe and i can't very well blame people with the same sort of character as Eli for using that blind faith to their advantage. it's unethical and immoral, but it's real. the main thing that made me dislike Eli was he was a kid trying to play a man's game. boy did he lose lol
thedefinitive 1 year ago
I'd love to see Daniel Day Lewis beat Fred Roper and Shirley Phelps-Roper to death with a bowling pin.
JA101K 1 year ago
people who argue about religion or atheism on the internet are retarded by default
RetardRage99 1 year ago
I'VE ABANDONED MY CHILD!!!
SingHouse 1 year ago
Tony realizes the difference between orthodox church and rest of sects.Good Point!
brebeix 1 year ago
Good movie but without the score, not near as intense...Jonny Greenwood is a genius....
Radioheader 1 year ago
I have seen this film countless times since it was released and it has never been about Daniel and Eli, although certain themes can be drawn from their parallels and opposites. This is Daniel's story and Eli is simply an element that draws the rest of him into view. It's not religion, but nihilism that is the theme of this story. The tearing down of God and the raising of one's own power. What's interesting is that the true "killer of God" is Eli, although Daniel strives to be the trigger man.
BunnyMan456 1 year ago 4
You have to look past "Christianity" in general. The point is that Eli has an influence over the thinking of the people in the town, who do not question the sanctity of Eli, because to question him would be questioning their own pride. It's like in the United States today. Instead of questioning if there is actually is Freedom, people just except the rhetoric from the preachers/ politicians as evidence. It's not really an anti-Christianity message, as it is an anti-authoritarian message.
Gettinghitonattheban 1 year ago 12
I didn't catch "you lusted after women" until now while it is clear that Daniel Plainview is either impotent or is just disgusted by everyone.
I always though TWBB was about power and greed and how it controls our lives. The power of wealth (Plainview) and the power over the people (Eli). By the end it's easy to see that Eli isn't really interested in God at all because he was willing to forsake all of his beliefs for a chance of controlling more people (through money of course).
pacifistanarchist 2 years ago
All Eli would have to do is just walk away at the end and he would have won. Maybe not win, he was kind of screwed over from the beginning but he could at least keep something of his away from Plainview. Capitalism seems to be in align with Religion here. People are willing to do and allow terrible things for a promise of something that we have little or no control over. We must look away from these promises and see life as it is here and now.
pacifistanarchist 2 years ago
People don't need a belief system that's why we were all given brains in order to think for ourselves but sadly a lot of you people think all of the worlds answers are in a bed time story book so seriously try to evolve and realize you have been brainwashed.......
NinjaChampionKO 2 years ago
Paul Dano had be nominated for the Oscar for Best Supporting Role.He was awesome and the reason why Daniel Day-Lewis was better than he already is.
Waackx 2 years ago
Not that I care entirely where this thread goes but a.) I don't know what sort of plant life existed in that era but I'll generally agree with Butlerboi and
b.) Plenty of people feel the flood was indeed catastrophic but localized to the Near East region
DaishiGajo 2 years ago
OK but there would be HUGE irreversible ecological collapse on terrestrial ecosystems ^^
TheButlerboi 2 years ago
hehe if the world was completely covered in water for 40 days the plants would not have survived thus ecosystems would colapse and oxygen would deplete ^^
TheButlerboi 2 years ago
"the plants would not have survived"
Is that so? You think it's completely impossible that a type of plant can survive underwater?
TheColaGoodfellow 2 years ago
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Fuck christians for hi-jacking the conservative party.
Turan123 2 years ago
More like conservatives hijacking Christianity!
kdbrown777 2 years ago
Why should an ideology hijack an idiotage? In order to survive?
Turan123 2 years ago
Neither were hijacked... they were made for each other.
Npowell01 2 years ago
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islam is the true religion believe me
m3gadinum8 2 years ago
As true as irish blood in Micheal Jackson's vain.
Turan123 2 years ago
vanity has no blood. veins carry blood.
speier 2 years ago
your a stupid jesus freak on crack.
Turan123 2 years ago
no i'm an atheist - and you can't spell. i was trying to show you the difference between VEIN and VAIN, idiot. But I see you can't even tell the difference between "you're" and "your".
Dimwitted retard.
speier 2 years ago 3
You were trying to correct a typo created more than 2 weeks ago. While even its creator had very well forgotten the error.
Get a life, genius.
Oh and don't forget to log on canadasucksdotcom
They hold an annual ceremony for grammar police officers.
Turan123 2 years ago
Oh boo hoo you're insulting the shitty country I grew up in. Nationalism is for rednecks and douchebags. Good to know you're a douchebag.
speier 2 years ago 4
Can you please stop showing your stupidity?(This may be the normal intellectual level in canada, tho)
Nationalism is not for you, right? So why did you feel offended? Why did you strike back?
Or is it you are just another redneck or douche bag?
Hahaha.
C'mon, admit it, you are just another superstitious christian on crack.
Turan123 2 years ago
and you're even more sad than those fanatical christian zealots
since you believe in another totalitarian ideal
which makes you a clown in your very own right
WASPTexas 2 years ago
By what were you so convinced that I believe in a totalitarian ideal?
You won't be stupid enough to think I'm one of those imbecile liberals, do you?
Turan123 2 years ago
The reason why america and it's foreign policy so fuked up nowadays is because of those stupid christians. America is rooted from a stupid concept of everyone be others' keepers. Self-interest is considered immoral.
To hell with jesus, the stupid ignorant hippie twat.
This is why Clinton adm. bombed and captuared Miloshevich, a nationalist who trying to maximize the benefit of his own ppl.
You heard me right, to hell with jesus!
Turan123 2 years ago
Turan123, this is where your self proclaimed inteligence loses it's credability, blaming other people's problems and maybe even your own on something doesn't make your opinion at all valid.
Its obvious you just want attention by saying "to hell with Jesus", sorry but I have better things to do.
ShaggyTheClown17 2 years ago
No, it's your belief "everyone should be others' keeper" ruin our economy.
Turan123 2 years ago
OK, forget the debate (on this thread) of Jan-Mar of '09. HERE is the theme: GOD can be capitalized upon MORE than OIL. There, I said it... discuss among yourselves. Kogerii may have gotten it.
DrMotorDude 2 years ago
The onlt delusion is the denial of something a person hasn't seen or exprienced and takes it out of themselves n other people.
Atheism is a good example of it, with its religious nature and its devestating effects on the human race, luckily but sadly the atheist religion will end up snuffing itself out.
ShaggyTheClown17 2 years ago
Saying all atheists are religious is like saying all Christians are Catholic.
Oiaku 2 years ago 3
Hmm, well as I said atheism is a religion is all the sense of the word, doesn't matter if people comment to me saying it isn't, it is.
ShaggyTheClown17 2 years ago
How is that? How is NOT believing in any religion a religion of it's own?
Nocturnuz 2 years ago 2
Actually, believers are a lot more like Atheist, than an Atheist is a like a believer.
You see:
To be an atheist means you reject the belief in god and/or gods and the superstitious dogmas and ceremonies that come with it.
To be a believer means you reject the belief in god and/or gods and the superstitious dogmas and ceremonies that come with it of other faiths except for YOUR god's.
So you see, the difference is that an atheist doesn't make that exception, but as a believer, you do.
magog1138 2 years ago
But its almost as if people "require" a belief system, even atheists have one which is why its called atheism and not just.... nothing, atheists require a set of belief in order to counter others, any belief in my opinion that makes fun of or condones violence against another is really bad in my opinion.
ShaggyTheClown17 2 years ago
magog1138, your definitions are kind of twisted.
atheist means to not believe in god. theist is the opposite. it's that simple.
i don't know why you've decided to present this in the negative? why define something in that way? you haven't illuminated anything at all...
veganlouie 2 years ago
YAAAA what Magog said is very true. If your gonna believe in something Dont feel ashamed when people point out stuff like that
sargientcupcake 2 years ago
and how is atheism a belief system...its one fucking belief (disbelief). Thats almost like saying not believing in santa cluase is a religion
bluestrobe1 2 years ago 3
Atheis is a system of belief, not disbelief, you believe there is no higher power and you have nothing to back that up, a very poor religion but a religion nontheless.
ShaggyTheClown17 2 years ago
that is not a belief system...its just one single belief. everyone has things they do and dont believe in... i dont believe in santa cluas, the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, ghosts, or the flying spaghetti monster. But that doesnt mean there religions...a religion is a system of beliefs centered around a diety or supernatural force...how the hell do you get "atheism is a religion" out of that?
bluestrobe1 2 years ago 3
Atheism is a religion because they believe in an absence of something they can't disprove, I can confidently say there is heck of alot more evidence that proves God than not.
ShaggyTheClown17 2 years ago
You can't disprove God just like you can't prove his existence. That's why I'm Agnostic :) which btw is a belief system.
TheDouggernaut291 2 years ago
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Well good, I can respect that belief, but the total lakc of openmindedness of atheism, I can respect people's right to choose but I have no respect for the belief system.
ShaggyTheClown17 2 years ago
YOU are the one who has a lack of openmindness
you believe whatever convenient shit you read in the Bible, which for your info is filled with contradictions that makes absolutely no sense to anybody who gave it some thought
SteveSpicerPortsmuth 2 years ago 4
I hope you are kidding ShaggyTheClown
"more evidence that God exist than not"
evolution and science is evidence enough the BIble is bullshit
AlexDeLarge90 2 years ago 4
well if that is the case that makes you an atheist too because you also believe in something you can't disprove
you petty minded cretin
SteveSpicerPortsmuth 2 years ago
atheism is not a religion
atheism is simply believing there is no God or any other deity
after that atheists can believe whatever they choose to believe individually
in religions you are all forced to believe the same thing and never question it
AlexDeLarge90 2 years ago 4
a very stupid comment ShaggyTheClown
"there is no higher power and you have nothing to back that up"
what century do you live in Shaggy?
YOU are the one that cannot find evidence for your imaginary friend in the Bible
You idiot
SteveSpicerPortsmuth 2 years ago 3
you're either insane or plain stupid Shaggy
all religions follow certain rules and dogmas, whereas atheists are free to make up their own minds what is wrong and what is not
SteveSpicerPortsmuth 2 years ago 4
HOLY SHIT REALLY?
You have actually replied to a comment I made like fucking 3 months ago?
You have got to be kidding.... FYI I have never read the whole Bible and I'm not a very religious person, everything you've said is a big fat fallacy and I'm going to bother having an actual disucission with you.
Thank you for confirming to me that you're a troll before I even looked at your account page, peace.
ShaggyTheClown17 2 years ago
watch what you say dude, Atheism is not devestating the human race, bible thumping assholes like you are. I have nothing against christians, I can live with them, many of my friends and my family is christian, but I am not, therefore I would expect people to accept my differences and not question why I don't go to church or believe in god, I don't for my own reasons. Next time think about how many people you're hurting by saying rude and cruel things, I already have to deal with this shit enough
larry52333 2 years ago 5
saying atheism is a religion is like calling bald a hair color.
bluestrobe1 2 years ago 71
@bluestrobe1
Not really. It would be the equivalent of that bald person claiming their hair style is superior.
ReconTeam111 1 year ago
@bluestrobe1 you're an idiot
beakon7 1 year ago
@bluestrobe1 saying religion is true is like saying" I'm retarded"
thekk2007 1 year ago
@bluestrobe1, hardly. Hair color is contingent upon the presence of hair. Atheism is not contingent upon the presence of a god.
sullivan328 1 year ago
@sullivan328 Bald is a lack of hair, and atheism is a lack of a belief. A lack of a belief can't be a religion, or indeed even a philosophy. It's a statement of position on one item. This would be rather like me saying you have a religion in not believing in chupacabras, the loch ness monster, unicorns, or any other thing you may not believe in. You would certainly have a lot of religions piling up very quickly with all the things you don't believe in.
Mistraker 1 year ago
@bluestrobe1
It's definitely not a religion, but you could argue that it is a disbelief, or a belief for some, based on evidence and reasoning, however it's biased. It's settling with being certain in something it can't be certain in.
Mrster 1 year ago
@bluestrobe1 I don't know about all of that. But, I can tell you tomorrow I will be not going to a rock concert, not eating pizza, and not collecting stamps.
This movie is awesome. There is no god. There are no gods.
undisputedgreatest 10 months ago
@bluestrobe1 ...and to call any religion true is to simultaneously prove them all false.
S1N15T3R 10 months ago
You're so full of shit ShaggyTheClown. Religion if anything has held back the development of the human race throughout history. Need I remind you how the church persecuted early scientists who claimed earth was round and that the earth actually orbited the sun? How about how Darwin was ridiculed?
Atheism is not a religion because it has no fixed beliefs other than there is no God. Atheists have no holy days or some commandments one has to follow. Atheists think themselves, which is human.
AlexDeLarge90 2 years ago 54
@AlexDeLarge90 and what is atheists purpose of life........to make children and extend human race-well that is not human, animals also do that
religion and church are not the same thing
church is institution-believe in god is something else
2505994 1 year ago
@2505994 the purpose of the atheist life is the same like yours just you shit about religion,make children and then you die.Otherwise purpose of the engineer's life is totally different story,his purpose is to make life better for assholes like you and atheists
master308308 1 year ago
@master308308 enginners find their purpose in math....because they don't have girlfriends
2505994 1 year ago
@2505994
And you probably have a girlfriend???
nex0801 1 year ago
@nex0801 we are not talking about me, we are talking about this great enginner called master...
hey, why someone even call you master
2505994 1 year ago
@AlexDeLarge90
Read some history you fool. I know you want to blame everything on the "evil Christians" despite the fact your society is founded on such beliefs, but the only accomplishments of atheism has been new justifications for mass murder. Thinking for themselves? If that what you call deluding yourself into self-worship and nihilistic bullshit?
ReconTeam111 1 year ago
@ReconTeam111 you're a troll
Bananadine 1 year ago
@Bananadine
Negative. I just respond to trolls.
ReconTeam111 1 year ago
@AlexDeLarge90 If it wasn't for christianity we'd be eating monkey shit right now.
beakon7 1 year ago
@beakon7 oh yea makes sense considering christianity only came about when most advanced societies like the mayans, egyptians, africans were technologicaly more advanced in mathematics and biology and understood the principles of space, smh i resent being baptized into a religion where killing has been justified in the name of a god..
MeloyeloJr 1 year ago
@MeloyeloJr uh...you should maybe look up the mayans sometime then. lots of headless corpses going down that temple.
BPMontana 1 year ago
@AlexDeLarge90 The Church never persecuted anyone who claimed the earth was round. That's a 19th century lie with no evidence… something atheists frequently accuse the religious of doing.
PraecoNoctis 1 year ago
@AlexDeLarge90 without religion, science would be boring- mark twain
Alldayeveryday404 1 year ago
@AlexDeLarge90
Yes, and without the Church holding back the progress of science and well, anything, the people during the Renaissance would never have had the drive to learn and explore.
Darklord12356 11 months ago
@AlexDeLarge90 I'm somewhat religious but your username is awesome.
Mr11MUSICMAN 8 months ago
@AlexDeLarge90 To be more clear Athiests are objective. The atheist position is simply to descide that god and religion is nothing more than baseless fantasy/delusion. None will deny the strangeness and mystery of existence. It's most possitive to simply investigate reality absent of any assumptions.
TermiteAssassin1 8 months ago
@AlexDeLarge90 Mind you the social/ emotional advances we've made as a race BECAUSE of religion. Our ability to separate ourselves from animals is due not to mere biological factors, but because of learned and inspired religion (an idea or not).
You can spend all day trying to prove your point my friend, but in the end, the only one your trying to convince is either A) yourself, B) the masses.... either way, what makes you right?
The answer is neither, have a nice day pushing your beliefs.
JLXOutlaw 7 months ago
@JLXOutlaw christians are usually the ones pushing their beliefs and while religion gives some people a reason to live it gives other people a reason to control people and start bloody inquisitons i would rather live my life free than follow pointless dogma but in the end noone can say they know what happens after death cause none of us have been there yet
l3054 6 months ago
@AlexDeLarge90 I still ridicule Darwin. Because he was full of shit. He made his Evolutionary theory sound very pleasing, but there is no evidence that links us with monkeys(or that we have the same ancestors).
It's interesting rather how we today in this modern age, the ones that do not believe in the Evolution theory are QUICKLY ridiculed as soon as we say that we don't believe in it. The bible never claimed that the Earth was flat.
cigolone1 5 months ago
@cigolone1
i suggest a great vid on here called "turns out we did come from monkeys" by aronra. there is quite a bit of evidence actually. and to say that "darwin was full of shit" demonstrates a huge lack of knowledge on your part, because i find irresponsible and fallacious statements like far more "full of shit" than anything darwin ever wrote or theorized about. and no, the bible doesn't say right out that the world is flat, but it suggests it, and a great many believed it, & some still do.
flashoftruth 5 months ago
@cigolone1
*...statements like YOUR'S far more...
flashoftruth 5 months ago
@AlexDeLarge90 I have no major gripe with what you say here, but I must point out that Atheism is a lack of belief, as opposed to the fixed belief that there is no God. That's closer to Anti-theism.
Otherwise, I'm even more fervent than you in what you say.
jadethevirginqueen 5 months ago
Eli is Daniel's conscience
Sargathia 2 years ago
yes its very easy to ask questions that make you feel uncomftable especially when the person were talking with agrees with you. plus the idea that god should be empirically provable is not valid since if we expect the premise that god created the all empirical existence then why should god be bound by the laws that govern empirically observable matter?
fremenchips 2 years ago
So you're saying god's existence shouldn't be able to be proven because he created everything.
lol?
glowyrm 2 years ago
from this film, i see that eli is the stupid one.
he waits for gods answer, when he is suppose to search for it. just as what his brother did.
rarebanana 2 years ago
Christians are pathetic?
Humm let's examine that claim shall we. A real Christian (not like Eli there) is a person who believes that God became a man named Jesus, who fulfilled all prophecies told about him hundreds of years before his birth (the odds of one man doing so are in the billions by the way).
Then he died on a cross and rose again and by his sacrifice all of us were redeemed of sin.
A faith that then tells you all you must do is accept its true and believe and you are saved...
darthroden 3 years ago
So, all you need to do is accept that God loves you enough to die for you and take away your sin and then conquer death for you. To believe in love so great that one can lay down their life for another.
Oh I can certainly see the idiocy in this alright...I mean, believing in love, and in sacrifice to save others, even those who hate you.
I know I have said nothing to persuade many of you, if any, but I have no intentions of preaching further, I ask only that you respect my right to believe.
darthroden 3 years ago
take this simple test asshead and then tell me you still believe............
WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING DOES NOT BELONG ?
A. santa claus
B. tooth fairy
C. banjo
D. god
E. easter bunny
cholulasaucehot 3 years ago
You mean guano? :D
CanderousXOrdo 3 years ago
Tony Watkins and Tom Price are thick. I knew in the first scene Eli just wanted money. He used the Church b/c it was socially acceptable, would give him more money, and popularity. Christian preachers are the same. They want payed for public speaking; they don't want to work to earn their keep and stay at parishioners homes like Paul did.
Kogerii 3 years ago
I cant understand if Paul and Eli are the same person in the movie or -like someone say here- they are different characters, and Paul just run away with the money. In another topic, not all christian people are false prophet, and a lot of them make good actions in order to help helpless people. Also, not all businessman are so selfish and offensives.
ixchel777 3 years ago
Christians are crazy. With lunatic morals.
cyllen 3 years ago 2
with glued-on morals
they preach them but rarely live the way they preach
AlexDeLarge90 2 years ago 2
Christians are crazy!?! That an incredibly offensive and frankly impossible statement to make.
glenbrooksparty08 3 years ago
You're right. Christians are not crazy, they are just imbeciles.
goobergums 3 years ago 4
You are a pathetic piece of life. Why are you alive?
Scoob505 3 years ago
SATAN!!!
syphilisbaby 3 years ago
There is a strong hate in Daniel which drives him on. Like he says, he only sees the worst in people.
Eli is the contrary of Paul. Blinded by religion, he didn't made the choise like Paul who was an opportunist and left with 10.000 in cash. Daniel used Eli and didn't gave him a shit. That's what religion sometimes does: the opium of people.
regozini 3 years ago 3
watch the movie again goofball.......
paul was givin 500 dollars not a cent more......
Eli was told by Daniel that he was givin 10thousand dollars and now has 3 wells bringing in 5k a week to rub more salt in eli's wounds...it was a lie to get under the little bastard's skin.....
paul just wanted 500 hundered dollars and he was out of there, no more no less. Watch the movie again and pay attention this time or watch it with an adult and ask questions
cholulasaucehot 3 years ago 3
that's not my fukin point. At the end, Eli comes back to Daniel sayin he is in trouble and needed money. If he had been like Paul he would have had his own drilling or what so ever.
Daniel says he paid Paul 10,000 "just like that" in the end.
I guess you think you are pretty adult.
Respectthewilderness 3 years ago
paul gets 500 dollars
thats it
watch the flick again
cholulasaucehot 3 years ago 3
I think you need to watch it again because respect is correct. He even starts his own business with the money.
glowyrm 2 years ago
it was a lie you moron...watch the movie again with an adult and ask questions if your confussed
cholulasaucehot 2 years ago
Name calling and incorrect grammar in the same sentence always makes me smile : )
Awaiting your hot shot come back!
Now, he did give him 500, but right before that there was talk of 600, and a bonus of 1000 if he found it to be prosperous. So it's very very plausible that an off screen deal was done after the drilling started and it proved "prosperous".
He did leave with 500 after that particular meeting though when he first met Daniel.
glowyrm 2 years ago
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glowyrm 2 years ago
In response to the video: Eli is as much a representative of Christianity as Daniel is a representative of businessmen. Both are extremes. Although an interesting point to consider is that being a businessmen by profession necessarily entails the use of deception; does this mean that there is deception at the heart of Christianity? That doesn't seem like a fair comparison. Perhaps if we compare "businessmen" with "evangelists" then we're getting closer to something.
darkasteroid17 3 years ago 2
I agree that this movie is openly ambiguous, chrisrdow, but I think Eli's character is actually more complex than you make him out to be. I watched this movie the other day and came to the conclusion that Eli is literally insane--schizophrenic--as evidenced by his double personality as Paul/Eli. (I don't think arguing that "Paul" is a real person is a tenable argument). I see Eli as Daniel's foil, a character whose theatrics disguise a naked impulse to "succeed."
darkasteroid17 3 years ago
I personally love this movie. Very well done.
SunkistSweetieade 3 years ago
just have to add: look at how names have been used,obviously biblical,this is a device more than symbolic.You are supposed to ponder the role of Paul in the early church and who was Eli the oil/"blood of lamb" metaphore-delibrate obfuscation).This movie is lavishly adorned but very few people I think "viewed" for what it was. I just loved this film, in terms or story,writing,visuals,music, powefull acting this quality has been seen so rarely... and the pundits had so much to spew.
chrisrdow 3 years ago
I think what has been completely missed is this movie at times is openly ambiguous. If you look closely at daniel planview he is the classic flawed hero. In my mind he is a good person who has been hurt and betrayed since childhood and doesnt expect anything else from people. Eli is much less complex he is an entreprenuer and is more an echo of the bankers daniel has to deal with. Religion is a convenient theme and backdrop but is completely subserviant to the character study of daniel.
chrisrdow 3 years ago
if you think this then watch the deleted scene from this movie entitled "fishing" then get back to me. You are wrong
cholulasaucehot 3 years ago
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The godless Delusion. Like Stalin's purge and Tienanmen square Massacre and such.
fuuunnnn 3 years ago
You are a simple minded moron.
kenhatesemos 3 years ago
this movie just goes to show you.....you can believe in god all you want but just faith in god won't help you make a living in reality
DarkRoast 3 years ago
Well said, my friend
CanderousXOrdo 3 years ago
I love listening to people talk about this movie.
loosegrin 3 years ago