@quickmantan Seriously now, since you're "leaving" the argument... It's good you aren't a 600 blob of a man, but you should get back in shape. Fast food and excessive weight will kill you quick and decrease your quality of life.
Well, I'm not a vegetarian, so I do get meat protein, although I've never wanted to pack on muscle. You CAN get all your proteins from dairy, eggs, leafy greens, and nuts/beans.
Anywho bitterness.... blah blah I apologize for messed up stuff I said.
@TheTerrorUforgot i agree health is important and its good to keep in shape. and i am gonna get back in shape, no offense taken mate apologise for the crap i said too, sounds like we are gay buddys huggin it out now, but who cares i aint a arsehole and we were just getting into a pointless argument about nothing just insulting each other, and that just gets boring. hope i get back into shape too, but ill never be insanely fat, i dont understand how ppl can get that way. its so sad.
ddude chow see fat is MENT to be funny. its a funny song. lol chow see fat means < smelly arse. so thanks for agreeing I am both fantastic at being serious and fantasstic at being funny. its a pleasure
@quickmantan Soo.... I replied sarcastically to your assertion A. Silva's accolades = Bruce Lee's and I get called "a gimp in glasses whose a pussy" and told to "leave it to the pros" and that apparently I don't have half a brain. Funny how I'M the guy hating on people I don't know on YT all of a sudden.
"If i were your parents id kill myself than have a son like you." - Thankfully my dad is fit, and sooo not the angry fat dude on the Bruce Lee video.
"Please, drop all the stuff you've heard. Martial arts is full of nonsense. Only believe what you have seen or can prove. Show me more than three real punches in a second and I will kiss your butt. ON film, Ali's jab took 7 frames to complete, and Sugar Ray's took 9 frames. A second of film takes 24 frames. Simple math guys. Three real punches per second and that is it. Less talk and more proof." - Joe Lewis when asked if Lee could hit 7 times/second
Quickman remember that the fight took place in 1964 before Bruce Lee became wordly famous so word would only be interested in San Fransico. Also you refuse to ackowledge a neutral observer William Chen’s account. From the Bruce Lee's camp conflicting accounts of the fight lasting 3 minutes to 20 minutes.
@quickmantan As for knowing Chinese culture, when I mentioned about comments from people from Shenzhen, just across the border from Hong Kong, is because my wife comes from there. I have made many trips through Hong Kong to get there. While in China I eagerly seek out their Martial arts as well as other cultural events. My early suprise was first finding a taekwondo studio before ever finding a Kung Fu studio
RC: Apparently, when Frank and his friends went to congratulate Bruce after the bout, Bruce was shaking his head and looking far from pleased with himself. His reply to Frank's obvious question was something along the lines of, "Damn it, I couldn't knock the guy out". His rationalisation was that the large (16oz?) gloves neutralised the intended, penetrating effect of tilting the wrist on impact, a practice common to many Wing Chun practitioners
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According to the eye witness testimony of Rolf Clausnitzer, Elms lasted the distance in a bout which was dominated by Lee. In his account of the tournament Clausnitzer commented “I honestly believe that Gary did not land even one single scoring punch throughout the entire three one minute rounds. Gary was knocked down several times, but he was not knocked out contrary to what has been reported in various articles and books!”
@quickmantan Talking about a site that just rehashes what others say is not research. I have found articles from reputed magazines and even an interview with an eye witness to the boxing match. Yes what Bruce Lee did was amazing but he did not KO anyone. I have posted parts I have found under this post.
Thousands of years ago the majority thought that the world was flat. 100's of accounts of the same rehash doesn't make it right. Sorry to catch you flat footed.
@quickmantan I never question that Bruce Lee was not good. I have freely admited many times that he had skill, talent and great influence. I just tried to show that too many people have distorted the facts. The account from Rolf Clausnitzer sound logical to what I have witnessed in many amateur events. Bruce Lee did great but others have inflated the story - you know I caught a fish this big. I am an atheist so I do not believe Jesus walked on water yet I admire his teachings.
Search out Bruce Lee - 300 pound bag found and you will see this same film clip but in reversed angle and less picture quality. The video though is about 10 seconds longer on his punching the bag. With the longer video clip then one can asses better that the bag is light and Bruce Lee quickly slows down to better pace himself.
@quickmantan I never said the bag was his, just how to search for the video to see the same cliphere inserted there as well. Are you denying the two are not the same? I have searched out videos and interviews as well. I have read Joe Lewis's assesment of Bruce's strenghts & weaknesses.
@quickmantan And you are right, I am a dumb ignorant twit since I was fooled by the hype. Bruce Lee was a Martial Artists I am not denying it. The Arts also means performance and at that, he was a great performer and an original. His contribution was awesome. I just chose to disagree on him being the best. Since I am over 50 I like better veterns like Donnie Yen who played Ipman. To be in his late 40 looking as he did inspires me more then Bruce Lee ever did.
@quickmantan The greatest Martial Arts? And now you are talking about how some one looked in a fight. How about Bruce Lee, and once again stories. If we are to believe such scant evidence of Bruce's fighting career then my choice is Miyamoto Musashi as the greatest martial artist instead. He too wrote a book espousing his philosophy.
@quickmantan I searched out Sifu Jack Man Wong From Black Belt Magazine Year Book 2000 and chose to believe his side of the story. So by using your own argument against you, you then would be skeptical of Sify Jack Wong's story?
If I knew anything about martial arts? You have told me that you have boxed, yet somehow you claim to know my own background as being ignorant of martial arts. I am skeptical because I have kowledge. Yet I still give Bruce Lee credit.
@quickmantan From Wikipedia " Lee defeated three-time champion British boxer Gary Elms by way of knockout in the third round in the 1958 Hong Kong Inter-School amateur Boxing Championships by using Wing Chun traps and high/low-level straight punches."
And from this you deduce that he KOed every oponent. I guess you would be right if he only fought 1 fight.
do you also know Joe lewis dominated the heaviweight karate devision of the world.. and won it 7 or 8 times in a row... and He only achieved this AFTER he trained with bruce lee. and if you watch videos of joe lewis, he clearly immitates bruce and very prominantly shows how much bruce influenced him, and helped him to become 8 times world champion
@quickmantan Joe Lewis won 2 championships before ever training with Bruce Lee. Lewis also began training boxing with Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Orbillio, enhancing his skills. Yet you like to give all credit to Bruce Lee's training and not to 2 Real fighters. Sure Bruce Lee helped Joe Lewis, and once again I am not denying his skill as a teacher. It is you that is skeptical that neither Joe Lewis or others could have made Joe better.
@quickmantan This is a quote from pugpaws2 " First I must say that I remember when Bruce Lee Died. I had been involved with training in the martial arts for some years then. Yes he was a great martial artist, but to say that he was the most powerful, the fastest, .etc. can't be backed up with facts. I trained for a short time with one of his original students during 1975 (Larry Hartsell). We had several talks about Bruce Lee. what I was told was much different from what many people are saying.
@quickmantan I give you a link to search but I can tell you did not even take the time to do it. Also you can't read. The guy I quoted "pugpaw"said that he belived Bruce Lee had a ground game and others were mis informed. Jack Man never said he beat Bruce Lee but that the fight was a draw. And hundreds account of that fight? Once again your lack of research proves your ignorance. Lee’s wife Linda recalls a total of 13 persons, including herself at the fight. 100's - all talk
@quickmantan Okay my bad, eventhough I read about these stories from a different perspective, obviosuly they must be wrong. You are right, Bruce Lee was and always will be the best. Of course no real hard evidence but just like any religion, got to have faith. You are his disciple and you have now converted me too. Forgive me father Bruce for I have sinned but I now see the light of my wicked questioning way.
@quickmantan I became a skeptic after believing the hype. My mom had back surgery and I remember the machine she was in - just like in the move the Bruce Lee story which hyped him. Oh my god to come back from such a severe injury & reinvent a new martial Arts! But only to be disillusioned when finding out he injured himself by doing Good Morning exercises before properly warming up. Thus I started researching. I still give him credit for much that he did but he does not walk on water.
@quickmantan Check out a known professional fighter hitting a real heavy bag like Manny Pacquiao. He is around the same weight as Bruce Lee, and he is wearing gloves with wraps thus allowing him to hit harder & yet Manny's videos do not show this same kind of bag movement. This video just shows an old heavy bag that can not be used to justify your statement.
@quickmantan The bag doesn't move like this? So I can see you believe the hype of this REEL fighter who has never knowly ever beaten a REAL fighter with a REAL NAME. The conclusion is obvious - this bag is worn out and might not even be 75lbs. I have hit a heavy bag, I have seen taped up old bags hit, & the only bags ever hit that swing like this are very light bags. My dad even made heavy bags out of duffle bags filled with rocks & sand. I see Bruce's power but nothing spectacular.
@quickmantan As I have said before, I can see Bruce Lee has power and he did train hard, but I do not believe in Mesiah properties that others believe he has. With no reel named fighter ever betean by him, why so easily is he given the title as the best?
@Rhonaldv oops note to self, I meant Real fighter. Bruce Lee was a street fighter yes, but once again, noone he ever beat had any name as being a great fighter as well. He claims to have beaten Sifu Jack Wong, who after hearing this, challenged a rematch which Bruce Lee that Bruce Lee never followed up on.
@quickmantan I will agree with you that Bruce Lee was revolutionary, but only in the Western world. He is the blue print of the Hero with awesome physique that modern day action Heros emulate. In Shenzhen, 30 miles north of Hong Kong in Main land China they too have heard about this Bruce Lee, but to them Jackie Chan & Jet Li are thought of as superior. Now think, yes Bruce Lee was 1st, but the other 2 have had more impressive stunts. Bruce is King here but not there.
@quickmantan I will also agree that he had an impressive intellect. Yes he was philosphical, but he also was schooled in manipulating the Media. His father was an actor. Bruce Lee, also dancer, would have early on learned showmanship. Lee enrolled at the University of Washington, majoring in drama according to the university's alumni association information. Joe Lewis in interviews has both positive & negative comments about Bruce Lee.
@quickmantan As to reply to him being the one that put martial arts to where it is today, is like thinking Christopher Colombus discovered America. The Chinese Martial Arts Invasion was going to happen anyways,it was just a matter of time. Bruce Lee capitalised on it by being first. And Martial Arts today is now mainly MMA which can be attributed to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu which predates Bruce's JKD.
Yes, I understand Couture uses less weight due tio many sets without putting it down.
However, GSP TRULY USES SISSY weights and was NOT doing a Couture style many sets workout without putting it down. GSP is a laughable sissy. WEAK PUTRID PATHETIC.,
GERIT BADDENHORST WOULD KICK GSP's ASS TO THE MOON
Also these sport UFC guys are overrated for strength. Look at that SISSY GSP. Have a look at the SISSY weights that guy uses. Do NOT be fooled. GSP is NOT strong at all. PURE SISSY.
MANY stupid BJJ UFC MMA types moves leave you WIDE OPEN TO GET YOUR BALLSACK KNOCKED OFF. Don't try some of the moves you see in UFC in a REAL fight. It can get you hurt or killed.
UFC is homo eroticism , a lot of wasted motion and wasted time when a REAL fight should and would have been ended sooner. Stupid stupid ground moves. NEVER go to the ground in a real fight.
UFC is SPORT. Sport tourament "fighters' are NOT REAL life fighters like DEA agents for example.THEY REALLY fight
MMA in the UFC is a sport tournament. It is NOT a real life encounter, nor can it simulate it. There is no getting around that. In REAL fights, there are no referees to save you, no sport rules compliance, the other guy could be on drugs, crazy , big and super strong, literally ready to kill you. In REAL fights people do NOT "tap out", they will continue with a broken arm. They CONTINUE to fight even when SHOT with a gun sometimes. I have SEEN THIS.
I believe Bruce Lee was a real fighter & a reel fighter. I am sure he was a dam good fighter, but I do not attribute diety traits to him. I have just returned from Mainland China, from Shenzhen just across the border from Hong Kong. I asked 3 different generations the question, "what do you thing of Bruce Lee?" The typical response was, " We have heard that name but we believe Jet Li & Jackie Chan superior!" This got me thinking, Bruce Lee's stunts never were as athletic as this other two are.
Wong’s version of the fight, along with the challenge, was run as the top story on the front page of San Francisco’s Chinese language Chinese Pacific Weekly. But Bruce Lee, despite his reputation for responding with fists of fury to the slightest provocation, remained silent.
Apparently was that the agreement was that no one was to talk about the fight. Lee violated the agreement by claiming in an interview that he had defeated an unnamed challenger.Wong says it was obvious to all of Chinatown that Lee was speaking of Wong. It had already become common knowledge within the Chinese community that the two had fought.
@quickmantan true, i agree, under boxing rules bruce lee would lose, but in a all-out street fight he is better prepared. a side kick is enough for someone to fall lol. bruce lee really did hit like a heavyweight, he had unexpected strength coming from his size. the impact sound is pretty strong too,i agree it would put anyone to sleep immediately.
Ok everyone. You are obviously all fucking ignorant. Bruce in this video is power punching at maximum effort. This is the most effective way to gain absolute power through longer contraction of the muscles when he forces or 'pushes' his fist into the bag. This aspect of training does not mean he doesn't have any other skills in boxing and technique, this just means he is utilizing his whole body in the movement. Gorge Forman the hardest punch in the world trained like this for power. Net idiots
@PsychoFlounder The more I see this video, the more I believe that isn't even a proper 75lb bag. Maybe try watching a video of Mike Tyson hitting the heavy bag and you will see real power and technique. George Forman hitting the heavy bag, look again and you see he is grounded digging into the ground with his feet, not prancing around like Bruce does here.
@PsychoFlounder I like his first punch when the bag is motionless as I can see power with the impact. But once he gets going, the power wans as he seems to only be trying to keep the bag aloft.
@PsychoFlounder No, also when doing an internet search turns up nothing. I have heard that the first cut is the deepest! (thanks Brian Adams) So what your question is trying to suggest seems suspect because sometimes the second punch is not best, nor even the last punch. Even in this video, because of the slight sway of the bag, it might suggest that the video starts after some punches had been thrown.
@Rhonaldv Of no authority should Brian Adams be right. Maybe Bruces first punch in this video was just testing that everything is ok to go for more? I know I wouldn't hit a bag as hard as I could the first time. Hes a small guy Rhonaldv and he doesn't have alot of weight behind him.
Ok everyone. You are obviously all fucking ignorant. Bruce in this video is power punching at maximum effort. This is the most effective way to gain absolute power through longer contraction of the muscles when he forces or 'pushes' his fist into the bag. This aspect of training does not mean he doesn't have any other skills in boxing and technique, this just means he is utilizing his whole body in the movement. Gorge Forman the hardest punch in the world trained like this for power. Net idiots.
@Bones87ish Show someone who was willing to fight Bruce Lee in a real fight. And of course, everyone will say they were willing to fight Bruce Lee now, but where were they when he was still alive?
@conquestvideos Look at a Jon "Bones" Jones highlight n you'll see a REAL fighter in REAL fights fkn up REAL fighters! Bruce Lee didn't know how to wrestle, he'll get his limbs bent in the opposite direction if he roles with a bjj black belt, Anderson Silva would whoop his little ass as well if Bruce was alive in this era
@Bones87ish 1)Those aren't real fights, they're prize fights. Despite the catch phrase, UFC is not as "real as it gets." Even Rorion Gracie says he doesn't like UFC anymore because it's fake. 2) Bruce Lee trained in wrestling with "judo" Gene LeBelle. If you don't know who he is, he's the guy who choked out Steven Seagal when Seagal was in his prime, and is arguably the most legendary submission wrestler of all time. Lee also studied Jiu-Jitsu with Wally Jay, Before they called it "B"JJ
@Bones87ish Any good wrestler (Like Randy Couture) will put his skills up against a BJJ Black Belt any day of the week. Any good MMA guy will beat a good BJJ guy, because everyone knows you don't have to be a BJJ black belt to beat a BJJ black belt. And Bruce Lee is widely recognized as the father of MMA. Just because he didn't fight on the ground in the movies doesn't mean he didn't know how. But if you've ever seen any of his movies, you know he DID fight on the ground.
@Bones87ish Don't confuse the actor with the fighter. Bruce Lee was first and foremost a fighter, whose job was acting. BTW, it was a guy who trained in Bruce Lee's JKD who who was responsible for Royce Gracie his first loss in UFC.
@Bones87ish Everyone says that Royce Gracie is one dimensional, but he dominated the first five UFCs when it was closer to real. And Jon Jones has evolved from that. Bruce Lee was at that level in the 1960s. So if you consider how much he would have evolved from then, no one could touch him then, and no one could touch him now. All these people who claim that they could beat Bruce Lee didn't do it while he was alive. Anyone can talk trash after someone is dead.
@conquestvideos Alright after all that ima ask u to recommend me one video with Bruce Lee in an ACTUAL REAL FIGHT. It's easy to look cool hitting the bag or saying shit like "be like water" but where's the proof? If i go on youtube n type Bruce Lee in a real fight they won't show nothing but MOVIE SCENES. N don't say something stupid like "oh they never recorded him" When they pretty much recorded everything else he did in his life
@Bones87ish 1) HE was an actor, and they recorded his acting, not everything. But, here are some facts: Real fight - Wong Jack Man. Though it was not filmed, this fight which Bruce won, is the reason there's a UFC today, because if Bruce had lost that fight, Asians would not be allowed to teach Americans martial arts. 2) Bruce was challenged to real fights on at least three of the five movies he filmed. There probably is footage of it, but not on Youtube. You'd have to ask Raymond Chow for that.
@conquestvideos Bruce Lee won against Wong Jack Man???? The research I did makes it look like a tie. Only fans from the Bruce Lee camp are the ones claiming a win. Asians not able to teach Martial arts, another fallacy. Bruce Lee was challenged because he was boasting. Trying searching the other side of the story before uttering statements as facts.
@conquestvideos only the chinese people like bruce lee wouldn't be able to teach kung fu. i dont think it has to do with other asian martial arts. The head of the chinese community did not like bruce lee teaching kung fu to americans. If it was other art like tae kwon do or judo, they would have not cared.
@Bones87ish 3) While we're talking about real fights, show me some footage of Jon Jones or Anderson Silva in a real fight. The operative word is real, meaning no cage, no ref, no rounds and no weight classes. (Robert Clouse probably also has footage of Bruce in a real fight, because everyone knows he was challenged multiple times while filming 'Enter the Dragon.' Also, there may or may not be footage owned by Ed Parker since it was Parker's tournament at which Bruce introduced JKD)...
@Bones87ish And made the challenge that he could defeat any person in the room in less than 90 seconds. He took on all comers, and though it took him closer to 3 minutes than 90 seconds, he did defeat them. BTW, Chuck Norris, Ed Parker, Joe Lewis, Bob Wall and Yeung Sze have all stated in interviews that they have seen Bruce Lee in real fights, and that his reputation was NOT unwarranted.
@conquestvideos U watched that one movie about Bruce Lee one too many times. Just because it's based on true events doesn't mean that everything from that story is true. Plus where was "Enter the Dragon" filmed? Because if it was filmed here in the States then him fighting ppl on set is a fkn lie because no1 could let two men fight without getting into serious trouble because since the 60's u needed fights to be sanctioned by some sort of athletic commission.
@Bones87ish No FIGHT is ever sanctioned. You're talking about a match or a bout. I'm talking about a challenge to a real FIGHT, not an athletic competition. I don't know what Bruce Lee MOVIE you're talking about, but you put too much stock in UFC, and if you think those are real fights, you're wrong. A real fight, as I stated earlier, is not held in a cage, does not have rules, referees, weight classes, or a sanctioning body. Two people have a disagreement and think the way to resolve it...
@conquestvideos How the fuck does the UFC now have real fights? Are the punches not REAL? Are the kicks not REAL? Are the KO's not REAL? N i don't even wanna discuss this with u after reading "there's very little dfference between UFC n WWE" Go watch a Bruce Lee MOVIE n watch some good ACTING while i watch Jon Jones n Anderson Silva KO REAL mothafuckin fighters! Oh wow Bruce Lee could beat everyone cause he could do 1 finger push ups LOL.
@Bones87ish They're not real fights because of the rules. No 12-6 elbows, no kicks/knees to the head of downed opponents, no striking to the back of the head, no groin shots, no small digit manipulation, 5 minute rounds, weight classes etc. etc.
MMA is a sport, and somewhat close to real fighting, but def not real fighting.
@BillORele Ok with all that said i would love it if u could recommend me a video of Bruce Lee in a REAL fight. N y the fuck did u mention a groin shot? Y would a man with dignity n pride want to steep so low by hitting someone in the groin like a faggot
@Bones87ish Once again, there are no rules in a real fight. Bruce was a real fighter, who was also an actor. JKD is a fighting system; MMA is a sport. Bruce was an actor, Jon Jones is a sports entertainer. BTW, the punches and kicks in WWE are real also. Wrestlers really get injured, but they're still not real fights. Also, just because there's no footage on Youtube of Bruce in a real fight doesn't mean he's never had one. Have you ever been in a fight? Is it on Youtube?
@conquestvideos Yea i've been in a fight but i never claimed to be the greatest n if i did i would have something to back up what i'm saying as for Bruce Lee he doesn't have shit! I got mad love for Royce gracie but if he was in his prime now he'll get fuckin MURDERED by the fighters today. There's tons n tons of footage of Bruce Lee other than movies n there' not ONE known footage known to man of him in a real fight. John Claude Van Damme was in real fights n u could watch em on youtube
@Bones87ish First of all, there's NO RECORD of Jean-Claude Van Damme ever taking martial arts. He claims to have learned in Europe in Brussels, but people who were in Brussels at the time Van Damme claims to have been training never heard of him. Secondly, I told you about the footage I'm sure you can find of Bruce Lee as a Washington State Champion. Thirdly, he was also a boxing champion in Hong Kong. There may or may not be video footage of ALL of this, but it's certainly documented....
@conquestvideos Boxing in Hong Kong is like Muay Thai in fkn France! When was the last time u seen an Asian champion in n e combat sport let alone boxing? What do u think would happen to a guy if he picked a fight with Anderson Silva or Jon Jones at a bar? "There's NO RECORD of Jean Claude Van Damme ever taking martial arts" Jesus Christ son u need to know your history. Youtube Jean Claude Van Damme 1979 fight caught on tape. U could even see a video of him training in 1979. SMH
@Bones87ish First of all, Asian boxing champion... Bruce Lee. I just told you that. Secondly, a video of him training? Training with who? A video of him fighting? Fighting who? 1) How do you know it's real training? 2) How do you know it's a real fight? 3) How do you know its' really Jean-Claude Van Damme? Back to wrestling again, the wrestler Rob Van Dam got his name because he looks like Jean-Claude, and he actually did take martial arts.
@Bones87ish So maybe the footage you saw was someone else. But even if it was him, it doesn't mean that he took martial arts. And that's beside the point anyway. Jean-Claude was never a world champion in anything. And, he's also an actor, like Bruce, but not as good. So why do you believe he's a real fighter, and you don't believe Bruce is? And by the way, if Van-Damme is a real martial artist and a real fighter, why did he decline Steven Seagal's challenge when Seagal questioned his background?
@Bones87ish And by the way, Van-Damme got his ass handed to him in a bar in New York by one of the stunt men who actually does the fight scenes in his movies. If I remember the guy's name, I'll throw that at you later. But that still has nothing to do with the fact that Bruce Lee was a real fighter. And it still has nothing to do with the fact that all these guys you claimed would beat Bruce, didn't. And you can make all the excuses you want, but...
@Bones87ish Anyone can talk trash about someone when they know there's no chance of them proving it. Jon Jones, Anderson Silva or even Mirco CroCop could claim all day and night that they could have beaten Bruce, but they didn't. But then again, they're not the ones making this claim; you are. SHAKING MY HEAD.
@Bones87ish I just checked out the Jean-Claude Van Damme video and you still don't get it. That wasn't a real fight. That was a tournament. And you can't even make out JEan-Claude competing in that tournament. All you see is a black and white still photo of Van Damme throwing a jumping kick that looks like a movie promotion. And the tournament footage isn't even complete. But after the tournament footage, it shows the guy who beat him in that tournament at his home showing off the trophy.
@conquestvideos So do u think Kimbo's the greatest fighter ever since he pretty much beat everyone in what u would call a "REAL" fight with no gloves n rules LOL. N btw Jean Claude Van Damme was a blackbelt in Shotokan Karate. He had a pro kickboxing record of 16 wins n ZERO loses in REAL combat
@Bones87ish Kimbo? No, not the greatest ever; although at least you're getting into real fights. Kickboxing is point-sparring; it's not real fighting. Anyway, I'd like to see documentation of this record you are claiming, because Van Damme couldn't prove that he studied martial arts in Europe. The earliest confirmed record of him training in martial arts comes from the time he trained with Frank Dux after he filmed the movie "Bloodsport" which is based on Dux's life...
@conquestvideos Look it up n e where my dude. Look up wiki, google it, do something shit idk i'm just giving u the facts haha. N man trust me u would not say kickboxing is point-sparring if u ever got kicked in the legs before. I train mma. Not trying to toot my horn by saying that but believe me man getting kicked is no fkn joke a kick generates more force than a punch.
@Bones87ish I agree; getting kicked in the legs or anywhere else hurts. But one, kick-boxing is point-sparring ,it's still a sport, and two, while you're kicking the other guy, the other guy is kicking you back. And his kicks hurt just as much as yours do. But the fact that it hurts doesn't make it any more real than when a wrestler puts another wrestler through a table. It's still just entertainment. Did Van Damme ever get taken down and choked out in one of those competitions?
@Bones87ish Probably not, because it wasn't a real fight. And in a real fight, if you get kicked in the legs and you don't want to get kicked again, you do your best to throw the guy on the ground and jump on top of him. But in a kick-boxing match, you'd be disqualified for that. And if you can be disqualified, it's not a real fight. Which goes back to my point about groin shots and whatever else. In a real fight, there are no rules and nothing is unfair. It has nothing to do with honor.
@conquestvideos Yea maybe. It's funny that u brought up Steven Seagal n Gene Lebell because there's this rumor that Seagal said that he has this technique that would get him out of Lebell's choke hold n what Seagal did was just Karate chop Lebells nutts but he still didn't let go so he ended up choking him out LOL
@Bones87ish Yea, I heard that story too. And Seagal used to have a dojo in Hollywood, and I went there to ask about it right after I heard that it happened, and the instructor who was there at the time made the excuse that Seagal had just finished doing a stunt on one of his movies and was too tired to defend himself against "Judo" Gene.
@Bones87ish He only started taking Shotokan after he and Dux had a falling out because he stole another Dux story to make the movie "The Quest." It was during this time that that stuntman beat him up in a bar. I believe it was Frank Stallone who reported the details of that fight. But if Van Damme has an undefeated record in real fighting, why didn't he accept Seagal's challenge, and why isn't he in UFC? Jon Jones isn't undefeated. Anderson Silva isn't undefeated. Even Fedor has lost.
@Bones87ish Back on to Van Damme's undefeated record: Who did he fight? Not Chuck Norris. Not Joe Lewis. Not Bill "Superfoot" Wallis. Not Billy Blanks. Not Mike Stone. Not Tommy LaPuppet. Not Chaku Zulu. All these guys were world champions from the early 60s to the mid 70s. In the late 70s and through the 80s, the world full-contact champions have been Marco LaLa and Tony "Mafia" Hollaway. Van Damme didn't beat any of them. In fact, he never fought any of them.
@Bones87ish And the World Kumite Champion from 75 to 80 was Frank Dux. The guy Van Damme played as a character in "Bloodsport." So who did he fight? Sixteen guys he made up, or sixteen guys you made up?
@Bones87ish Also, what makes you think that Bruce Lee's real fights would have been filmed? And, like I told you yesterday, if they were filmed, the movie studio owns that footage. So contact them and tell them to put it on Youtube. You still haven't answered the question of the REAL fight footage of Jon Jones or any MMA guy. You're still talking about sport fighting vs. Bruce Lee, and you only see Bruce Lee as an actor, and not the fighter who became the actor...
@Bones87ish Oh by the way, it's BECAUSE OF Royce Gracie that MMA is now its own style. It was created to combat Royce Gracie and others who knew BJJ. So again, he single-handedly changed the way we look at Martial Arts. And about Bruce's ground fighting, if you don't believe he knew any, thirty years before it became popular, or you weren't paying attention when I described how he trained with "Judo" Gene LeBelle, check out "Bruce Lee Arm Triangle Choke" on Youtube.
@conquestvideos Bruce Lee was for sure a Reel fighter, but as for a Real Fighter, then why did he need Joe Lewis to test his theories in tournaments? My thinking is he could not afford the possibility of his reputation being tarnished if he lost.
@Bones87ish As I said, Chuck Norris, Mike Stone, Joe Lewis and many others have seen Bruce in real fights. That's why these world champions sought Bruce out to train with him. Again, MMA is sport fighting, not real fighting. It's not even as real as it was in the original UFCs with Royce Gracie, who many people now days say wasn't that good, but he fought guys literally twice his size, or bigger. He wasn't confined to the welter-weight class. More on that in a minute.
@Bones87ish Royce Gracie in UFC 1 was a fourth-degree black belt in BJJ. If Royce Gracie isn't THAT good, then BJJ isn't THAT good. But since EVERYBODY trains in BJJ now, we know it's pretty good. Another thing about Royce Gracie is that he, just like Bruce Lee, single-handedly changed martial arts and the way we look at martial arts forever. Bruce Lee was not a sport fighter. So the platform he used to promote his FIGHTING system was movies. But there is one more thing...
@Bones87ish If you consider gloves, a ring, referees and rules a real fight, I'm pretty sure you can find some footage of Bruce Lee as a Washington State boxing champion when he was in college. If not, ask around. Now if you want to end the discussion, that's fine because my point has been made. ANYTHING THAT IS SANCTIONED BY AN ATHLETIC COMMISSION IS A SPORT, AND A SPORT CAN NEVER BE A REAL FIGHT.
@Bones87ish Is by pummeling each other into submission. If they tape their hands, wear gloves, have someone there to control the action, and have people sitting on the outside to score who would have done the most damage had they been allowed to actually hurt each other, that's not a fight, that's a match. There's very little difference between UFC and WWE; beyond the fact that in UFC, they don't necessarily know who's going to win before the match even starts.
@Bones87ish A real fight can't be sanctioned, because in order for it to be sanctioned, there must be rules and regulations. And if there are rules and regulations, it is not a real fight.
@conquestvideos So I guess if someone challenges me to a fight and I pull out a gun and shoot him, then by your logic it must have been a real fight since no rules implies I can do anything I wish to win! Would you not call ancient duelling a real fight? There was rules and thought the more gentleman's way to settle disputes. Maybe you should reconsider your defination of what a real fight is.
@Rhonaldv No, if you pull a gun it's not a real fight; it's a shooting. And duels are not real fights either; they're gentlemen's agreements. If you get into a real fight and someone pulls a gun and you're surprised by that, then you obviously had the definition of a real fight. Because yes, anything goes, there are no rules. And that's not the conversation we were having. We were talking about a real fight versus a prize fight. A cage fight is not a real fight.
@conquestvideos Well if someone is punching me in the face multiple times, I would consider that I was in a fight. Call it real, prize, cage or not but the noun is more important then the adjective. A cage fight can be more dangerous then a so called real fight. To drunks throw punches in a bar could both slump to the floor to be unconcious thus hardly any damage or danger. Two prize fighters throwing haymakers that later in life leaves one with Parkinson's disease.
@conquestvideos So don't get hung up on what is so called real or not. I would be more inclined to lean towards differentiating between training for learning or improving, compared to fighting,whose goal could be winning(cage fight) or surviving(being attacked by an enemy). Both fights are REAL, just the consequences of losing are different.
@Rhonaldv First of all, it seems like you're the one who is hung up. A cage fight is not a real fight. No matter what damage could be done, there are rules and regulations and referees to ensure that the minimal amount of damage is done consistently. The bottom line is, it's a sport. A drunk at a bar rarely causes a fight. In most cases, the worst you'll have to deal with is a self-defense situation. Now don't tell me that I have to explain the difference between self-defense and a fight.
@Rhonaldv Your analogy that the noun matters and the adjective doesn't is like playing paintball and saying you've been to war. The battles are the same, it's just the danger that is different. You could also use a video game where no matter what happens, you'll respawn in a few seconds. In a cage fight, if things get too bad for you, the ref steps in and gives you time to respawn. That won't happen in a real fight.
@Rhonaldv The bottom line is, you're hung up on the aspects of a "Gentleman's Agreement" in battle. So I ask you: The Geneva Convention states that prisoners of war cannot be tortured. So by your analogy, does that mean that Vietnam POW's and Iraq and Afghanistan POW's who WERE tortured were not REALLY at war because the enemy didn't follow the rules?
@conquestvideos Two girls at the bargin bin are grabbing for the same pair of shoes. Suddenly the tug-of-war has a catfight develope. The one girl bitch slaps the other, both are yanking at each other's hair and scratching. This is a REAL FIGHT. Suddenly the manager and a security guard step in to seperate the combatants - huh almost like a referee. My agrgument has that a real fight can have rules and a real fight might not have any rules.
@conquestvideos I am not hung up on anything because I am not trying to claim some kind of superiority of what a real fight might have over a cage fight. Just think how Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini felt after killing a fellow fighter in the ring. Paintball is a game, I have never heard it refered to as Paintball war. And now you are throwing around the word Self Defence as you try to misdirect your weak analogy. What is it that you have against professional fighters?
@conquestvideos And in convoluted logic A Real fight can not have rules, but claiming a real fight has no rules means by defination your RULE, is that a real fight can not have rules. But you just made a rule of what makes a real fight!! I guess this statement rules out your argument. And yet are we not having a real fight with words? Oops maybe a real fight needs the chance of damage to happen, yet another rule - now my Ego is hurt.
@conquestvideos Okay my last argument was a little tongue in cheek, I apologise. I think I know that you are trying to tell that a so called street fight has and added element of danger that a sanctioned bout does not have. This I will totally agree with you. However many times there will be onlookers our even society constrants that would temper the fighters to somewhat obey unwritten rules. Most people live to some type of code.
@Rhonaldv With the girl fight, it was the store manager and security guard who wanted them to abide by rules, not the girls who were fighting. And just to be clear, I didn't say a real fight can't have rules, I said it doesn't, which is not a rule. The only rules that always apply are the rules of nature. But I appreciate your tongue-in-cheek comments and I do agree and have never disagreed that in most fights, most people have their own moral or ethical code of conduct...
@Rhonaldv So you see them throwing hands, sometimes kicks, now a-days probably some poor attempt at ground fighting, but you don't see biting, eye gouging, low blows and the like. That doesn't make it any less of a fight. My argument was not that there cannot be rules in a fight, and I have no problem with MMA fighters. My argument was simply that just because someone is good in the cage, doesn't mean that they'd be that good in a real fight...
@Rhonaldv And someone who would do well in a real fight wouldn't necessarily do that well in a cage fight because there are rules that he would have to follow, that he wouldn't have to follow in a street fight. A real fight has no rules and no limitations. If you see a fight through the eyes of an MMA fighter, you're not seeing a real, wholly fight; you're seeing a bout. So what happens when he does pull a gun? When he does low blow? Are you going to say that he cheated?
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quickmantan 7 hours ago
@quickmantan Seriously now, since you're "leaving" the argument... It's good you aren't a 600 blob of a man, but you should get back in shape. Fast food and excessive weight will kill you quick and decrease your quality of life.
Well, I'm not a vegetarian, so I do get meat protein, although I've never wanted to pack on muscle. You CAN get all your proteins from dairy, eggs, leafy greens, and nuts/beans.
Anywho bitterness.... blah blah I apologize for messed up stuff I said.
TheTerrorUforgot 7 hours ago
@TheTerrorUforgot i agree health is important and its good to keep in shape. and i am gonna get back in shape, no offense taken mate apologise for the crap i said too, sounds like we are gay buddys huggin it out now, but who cares i aint a arsehole and we were just getting into a pointless argument about nothing just insulting each other, and that just gets boring. hope i get back into shape too, but ill never be insanely fat, i dont understand how ppl can get that way. its so sad.
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ddude chow see fat is MENT to be funny. its a funny song. lol chow see fat means < smelly arse. so thanks for agreeing I am both fantastic at being serious and fantasstic at being funny. its a pleasure
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@quickmantan Soo.... I replied sarcastically to your assertion A. Silva's accolades = Bruce Lee's and I get called "a gimp in glasses whose a pussy" and told to "leave it to the pros" and that apparently I don't have half a brain. Funny how I'M the guy hating on people I don't know on YT all of a sudden.
"If i were your parents id kill myself than have a son like you." - Thankfully my dad is fit, and sooo not the angry fat dude on the Bruce Lee video.
TheTerrorUforgot 8 hours ago
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"Please, drop all the stuff you've heard. Martial arts is full of nonsense. Only believe what you have seen or can prove. Show me more than three real punches in a second and I will kiss your butt. ON film, Ali's jab took 7 frames to complete, and Sugar Ray's took 9 frames. A second of film takes 24 frames. Simple math guys. Three real punches per second and that is it. Less talk and more proof." - Joe Lewis when asked if Lee could hit 7 times/second
TheTerrorUforgot 11 hours ago
He punches like a rank amateur. Makes sense for someone who only ever fought at inter-school level in Hong Kong.
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Quickman remember that the fight took place in 1964 before Bruce Lee became wordly famous so word would only be interested in San Fransico. Also you refuse to ackowledge a neutral observer William Chen’s account. From the Bruce Lee's camp conflicting accounts of the fight lasting 3 minutes to 20 minutes.
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@quickmantan As for knowing Chinese culture, when I mentioned about comments from people from Shenzhen, just across the border from Hong Kong, is because my wife comes from there. I have made many trips through Hong Kong to get there. While in China I eagerly seek out their Martial arts as well as other cultural events. My early suprise was first finding a taekwondo studio before ever finding a Kung Fu studio
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RC: Apparently, when Frank and his friends went to congratulate Bruce after the bout, Bruce was shaking his head and looking far from pleased with himself. His reply to Frank's obvious question was something along the lines of, "Damn it, I couldn't knock the guy out". His rationalisation was that the large (16oz?) gloves neutralised the intended, penetrating effect of tilting the wrist on impact, a practice common to many Wing Chun practitioners
Rhonaldv 2 weeks ago
Brent Matteo Alderson, a graduate of UCLA, has been part of the staff at BoxingScene com since 2004. Alderson's published work has appeared in publications such as Ring Magazine, KO, World Boxing, Boxing 2006, and Latin Boxing Magazine. Alderson has also been featured on the ESPN Classic television program
Research to quick to judge quickmantan
Rhonaldv 2 weeks ago
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The Bruce Lee, Pro Boxing Connection
Posted by: Matteo Alderson on 3/8/2008 .
Rhonaldv 2 weeks ago
According to the eye witness testimony of Rolf Clausnitzer, Elms lasted the distance in a bout which was dominated by Lee. In his account of the tournament Clausnitzer commented “I honestly believe that Gary did not land even one single scoring punch throughout the entire three one minute rounds. Gary was knocked down several times, but he was not knocked out contrary to what has been reported in various articles and books!”
Rhonaldv 2 weeks ago
BRUCE LEE'S TOUGHEST FIGHT" by Michael Dorgan (from Official Karate, July 1980)
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quickmantan 3 weeks ago
Tell me where I can find an offical transcript of the tournament then this would be good proof. All else is just talk.
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@quickmantan Talking about a site that just rehashes what others say is not research. I have found articles from reputed magazines and even an interview with an eye witness to the boxing match. Yes what Bruce Lee did was amazing but he did not KO anyone. I have posted parts I have found under this post.
Thousands of years ago the majority thought that the world was flat. 100's of accounts of the same rehash doesn't make it right. Sorry to catch you flat footed.
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@quickmantan I never question that Bruce Lee was not good. I have freely admited many times that he had skill, talent and great influence. I just tried to show that too many people have distorted the facts. The account from Rolf Clausnitzer sound logical to what I have witnessed in many amateur events. Bruce Lee did great but others have inflated the story - you know I caught a fish this big. I am an atheist so I do not believe Jesus walked on water yet I admire his teachings.
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Search out Bruce Lee - 300 pound bag found and you will see this same film clip but in reversed angle and less picture quality. The video though is about 10 seconds longer on his punching the bag. With the longer video clip then one can asses better that the bag is light and Bruce Lee quickly slows down to better pace himself.
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quickmantan 3 weeks ago
@quickmantan I never said the bag was his, just how to search for the video to see the same cliphere inserted there as well. Are you denying the two are not the same? I have searched out videos and interviews as well. I have read Joe Lewis's assesment of Bruce's strenghts & weaknesses.
Rhonaldv 3 weeks ago
@quickmantan And you are right, I am a dumb ignorant twit since I was fooled by the hype. Bruce Lee was a Martial Artists I am not denying it. The Arts also means performance and at that, he was a great performer and an original. His contribution was awesome. I just chose to disagree on him being the best. Since I am over 50 I like better veterns like Donnie Yen who played Ipman. To be in his late 40 looking as he did inspires me more then Bruce Lee ever did.
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quickmantan 3 weeks ago
@quickmantan The greatest Martial Arts? And now you are talking about how some one looked in a fight. How about Bruce Lee, and once again stories. If we are to believe such scant evidence of Bruce's fighting career then my choice is Miyamoto Musashi as the greatest martial artist instead. He too wrote a book espousing his philosophy.
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quickmantan 3 weeks ago
@quickmantan I searched out Sifu Jack Man Wong From Black Belt Magazine Year Book 2000 and chose to believe his side of the story. So by using your own argument against you, you then would be skeptical of Sify Jack Wong's story?
If I knew anything about martial arts? You have told me that you have boxed, yet somehow you claim to know my own background as being ignorant of martial arts. I am skeptical because I have kowledge. Yet I still give Bruce Lee credit.
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@quickmantan From Wikipedia " Lee defeated three-time champion British boxer Gary Elms by way of knockout in the third round in the 1958 Hong Kong Inter-School amateur Boxing Championships by using Wing Chun traps and high/low-level straight punches."
And from this you deduce that he KOed every oponent. I guess you would be right if he only fought 1 fight.
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do you also know Joe lewis dominated the heaviweight karate devision of the world.. and won it 7 or 8 times in a row... and He only achieved this AFTER he trained with bruce lee. and if you watch videos of joe lewis, he clearly immitates bruce and very prominantly shows how much bruce influenced him, and helped him to become 8 times world champion
quickmantan 3 weeks ago
@quickmantan Joe Lewis won 2 championships before ever training with Bruce Lee. Lewis also began training boxing with Sugar Ray Robinson and Joe Orbillio, enhancing his skills. Yet you like to give all credit to Bruce Lee's training and not to 2 Real fighters. Sure Bruce Lee helped Joe Lewis, and once again I am not denying his skill as a teacher. It is you that is skeptical that neither Joe Lewis or others could have made Joe better.
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quickmantan 3 weeks ago
@quickmantan This is a quote from pugpaws2 " First I must say that I remember when Bruce Lee Died. I had been involved with training in the martial arts for some years then. Yes he was a great martial artist, but to say that he was the most powerful, the fastest, .etc. can't be backed up with facts. I trained for a short time with one of his original students during 1975 (Larry Hartsell). We had several talks about Bruce Lee. what I was told was much different from what many people are saying.
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@quickmantan I give you a link to search but I can tell you did not even take the time to do it. Also you can't read. The guy I quoted "pugpaw"said that he belived Bruce Lee had a ground game and others were mis informed. Jack Man never said he beat Bruce Lee but that the fight was a draw. And hundreds account of that fight? Once again your lack of research proves your ignorance. Lee’s wife Linda recalls a total of 13 persons, including herself at the fight. 100's - all talk
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@quickmantan Okay my bad, eventhough I read about these stories from a different perspective, obviosuly they must be wrong. You are right, Bruce Lee was and always will be the best. Of course no real hard evidence but just like any religion, got to have faith. You are his disciple and you have now converted me too. Forgive me father Bruce for I have sinned but I now see the light of my wicked questioning way.
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@quickmantan I became a skeptic after believing the hype. My mom had back surgery and I remember the machine she was in - just like in the move the Bruce Lee story which hyped him. Oh my god to come back from such a severe injury & reinvent a new martial Arts! But only to be disillusioned when finding out he injured himself by doing Good Morning exercises before properly warming up. Thus I started researching. I still give him credit for much that he did but he does not walk on water.
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quickmantan 3 weeks ago
hahah looks like he didnt want to show on camera. i bet he was giving 50 -60 percent
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quickmantan 3 weeks ago
@quickmantan Check out a known professional fighter hitting a real heavy bag like Manny Pacquiao. He is around the same weight as Bruce Lee, and he is wearing gloves with wraps thus allowing him to hit harder & yet Manny's videos do not show this same kind of bag movement. This video just shows an old heavy bag that can not be used to justify your statement.
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@quickmantan The bag doesn't move like this? So I can see you believe the hype of this REEL fighter who has never knowly ever beaten a REAL fighter with a REAL NAME. The conclusion is obvious - this bag is worn out and might not even be 75lbs. I have hit a heavy bag, I have seen taped up old bags hit, & the only bags ever hit that swing like this are very light bags. My dad even made heavy bags out of duffle bags filled with rocks & sand. I see Bruce's power but nothing spectacular.
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quickmantan 3 weeks ago
@quickmantan As I have said before, I can see Bruce Lee has power and he did train hard, but I do not believe in Mesiah properties that others believe he has. With no reel named fighter ever betean by him, why so easily is he given the title as the best?
Rhonaldv 3 weeks ago
@Rhonaldv oops note to self, I meant Real fighter. Bruce Lee was a street fighter yes, but once again, noone he ever beat had any name as being a great fighter as well. He claims to have beaten Sifu Jack Wong, who after hearing this, challenged a rematch which Bruce Lee that Bruce Lee never followed up on.
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@quickmantan I will agree with you that Bruce Lee was revolutionary, but only in the Western world. He is the blue print of the Hero with awesome physique that modern day action Heros emulate. In Shenzhen, 30 miles north of Hong Kong in Main land China they too have heard about this Bruce Lee, but to them Jackie Chan & Jet Li are thought of as superior. Now think, yes Bruce Lee was 1st, but the other 2 have had more impressive stunts. Bruce is King here but not there.
Rhonaldv 3 weeks ago
@quickmantan I will also agree that he had an impressive intellect. Yes he was philosphical, but he also was schooled in manipulating the Media. His father was an actor. Bruce Lee, also dancer, would have early on learned showmanship. Lee enrolled at the University of Washington, majoring in drama according to the university's alumni association information. Joe Lewis in interviews has both positive & negative comments about Bruce Lee.
Rhonaldv 3 weeks ago
@quickmantan As to reply to him being the one that put martial arts to where it is today, is like thinking Christopher Colombus discovered America. The Chinese Martial Arts Invasion was going to happen anyways,it was just a matter of time. Bruce Lee capitalised on it by being first. And Martial Arts today is now mainly MMA which can be attributed to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu which predates Bruce's JKD.
Rhonaldv 3 weeks ago
Yes, I understand Couture uses less weight due tio many sets without putting it down.
However, GSP TRULY USES SISSY weights and was NOT doing a Couture style many sets workout without putting it down. GSP is a laughable sissy. WEAK PUTRID PATHETIC.,
GERIT BADDENHORST WOULD KICK GSP's ASS TO THE MOON
Razwell 1 month ago
Also these sport UFC guys are overrated for strength. Look at that SISSY GSP. Have a look at the SISSY weights that guy uses. Do NOT be fooled. GSP is NOT strong at all. PURE SISSY.
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quickmantan 3 weeks ago
MANY stupid BJJ UFC MMA types moves leave you WIDE OPEN TO GET YOUR BALLSACK KNOCKED OFF. Don't try some of the moves you see in UFC in a REAL fight. It can get you hurt or killed.
UFC is homo eroticism , a lot of wasted motion and wasted time when a REAL fight should and would have been ended sooner. Stupid stupid ground moves. NEVER go to the ground in a real fight.
UFC is SPORT. Sport tourament "fighters' are NOT REAL life fighters like DEA agents for example.THEY REALLY fight
Razwell 1 month ago
MMA in the UFC is a sport tournament. It is NOT a real life encounter, nor can it simulate it. There is no getting around that. In REAL fights, there are no referees to save you, no sport rules compliance, the other guy could be on drugs, crazy , big and super strong, literally ready to kill you. In REAL fights people do NOT "tap out", they will continue with a broken arm. They CONTINUE to fight even when SHOT with a gun sometimes. I have SEEN THIS.
Razwell 1 month ago
@Razwell Not true.Sometimes bouncers or other people break it up.Lee is fake anyway
AK47Rifle100 1 month ago
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VERY true. EVEN BROCK LESNAR IS NO WHERE NEAR AS STRONG AS GERIT BADDENHORAST FACT.
Razwell 1 month ago
@Razwell You Mad Bro?
Finalymadename 1 month ago
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no just TROLLING.
Razwell 1 month ago
I believe Bruce Lee was a real fighter & a reel fighter. I am sure he was a dam good fighter, but I do not attribute diety traits to him. I have just returned from Mainland China, from Shenzhen just across the border from Hong Kong. I asked 3 different generations the question, "what do you thing of Bruce Lee?" The typical response was, " We have heard that name but we believe Jet Li & Jackie Chan superior!" This got me thinking, Bruce Lee's stunts never were as athletic as this other two are.
Rhonaldv 1 month ago
Wong’s version of the fight, along with the challenge, was run as the top story on the front page of San Francisco’s Chinese language Chinese Pacific Weekly. But Bruce Lee, despite his reputation for responding with fists of fury to the slightest provocation, remained silent.
Rhonaldv 1 month ago
Apparently was that the agreement was that no one was to talk about the fight. Lee violated the agreement by claiming in an interview that he had defeated an unnamed challenger.Wong says it was obvious to all of Chinatown that Lee was speaking of Wong. It had already become common knowledge within the Chinese community that the two had fought.
Rhonaldv 1 month ago
lol 6 pages of comments soley dedicated to @Bones87ish
GetRichAndDieRich 1 month ago
who would win bruce lee or the boxer ali?
BigArte92 1 month ago
@BigArte92 in an interview bruce actually said he had doubts about beating ali, because he said ali was as fast as him.
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quickmantan 3 weeks ago
@quickmantan ah ok thanks for the insight.
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@quickmantan true, i agree, under boxing rules bruce lee would lose, but in a all-out street fight he is better prepared. a side kick is enough for someone to fall lol. bruce lee really did hit like a heavyweight, he had unexpected strength coming from his size. the impact sound is pretty strong too,i agree it would put anyone to sleep immediately.
mudkipzuzu 3 weeks ago
Bruce Lee would beat Ali if he ran at him and gouged his eye out or punched him in the throat. But in a fair fight, probably Ali
CoffeeBeatsTea 1 month ago
Ok everyone. You are obviously all fucking ignorant. Bruce in this video is power punching at maximum effort. This is the most effective way to gain absolute power through longer contraction of the muscles when he forces or 'pushes' his fist into the bag. This aspect of training does not mean he doesn't have any other skills in boxing and technique, this just means he is utilizing his whole body in the movement. Gorge Forman the hardest punch in the world trained like this for power. Net idiots
PsychoFlounder 1 month ago
@PsychoFlounder The more I see this video, the more I believe that isn't even a proper 75lb bag. Maybe try watching a video of Mike Tyson hitting the heavy bag and you will see real power and technique. George Forman hitting the heavy bag, look again and you see he is grounded digging into the ground with his feet, not prancing around like Bruce does here.
Rhonaldv 1 month ago
@Rhonaldv Prancing around? Hes moving into the bag with all his force. Not jumping for the sake of it.
PsychoFlounder 1 month ago
@PsychoFlounder I like his first punch when the bag is motionless as I can see power with the impact. But once he gets going, the power wans as he seems to only be trying to keep the bag aloft.
Rhonaldv 1 month ago
@Rhonaldv Have you ever heard the first punch is not always the best?
PsychoFlounder 1 month ago
@PsychoFlounder No, also when doing an internet search turns up nothing. I have heard that the first cut is the deepest! (thanks Brian Adams) So what your question is trying to suggest seems suspect because sometimes the second punch is not best, nor even the last punch. Even in this video, because of the slight sway of the bag, it might suggest that the video starts after some punches had been thrown.
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@Rhonaldv Of no authority should Brian Adams be right. Maybe Bruces first punch in this video was just testing that everything is ok to go for more? I know I wouldn't hit a bag as hard as I could the first time. Hes a small guy Rhonaldv and he doesn't have alot of weight behind him.
PsychoFlounder 1 month ago
Ok everyone. You are obviously all fucking ignorant. Bruce in this video is power punching at maximum effort. This is the most effective way to gain absolute power through longer contraction of the muscles when he forces or 'pushes' his fist into the bag. This aspect of training does not mean he doesn't have any other skills in boxing and technique, this just means he is utilizing his whole body in the movement. Gorge Forman the hardest punch in the world trained like this for power. Net idiots.
PsychoFlounder 1 month ago
Not impressed. Show me a video of Bruce in a REAL fight then we could see how great he is
Bones87ish 1 month ago
@Bones87ish Show someone who was willing to fight Bruce Lee in a real fight. And of course, everyone will say they were willing to fight Bruce Lee now, but where were they when he was still alive?
conquestvideos 1 month ago
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It is a Testimony to his greatness. The Man is dead and he's still inciting jealousy in losers to the point that they hate like that.
KaeruthePaladin 1 month ago
@conquestvideos Look at a Jon "Bones" Jones highlight n you'll see a REAL fighter in REAL fights fkn up REAL fighters! Bruce Lee didn't know how to wrestle, he'll get his limbs bent in the opposite direction if he roles with a bjj black belt, Anderson Silva would whoop his little ass as well if Bruce was alive in this era
Bones87ish 1 month ago
@Bones87ish A BJJ black belt would get fucking killed with one punch also from Bruce. The chances of that lean towards the striker. -Bruce.
PsychoFlounder 1 month ago
@Bones87ish 1)Those aren't real fights, they're prize fights. Despite the catch phrase, UFC is not as "real as it gets." Even Rorion Gracie says he doesn't like UFC anymore because it's fake. 2) Bruce Lee trained in wrestling with "judo" Gene LeBelle. If you don't know who he is, he's the guy who choked out Steven Seagal when Seagal was in his prime, and is arguably the most legendary submission wrestler of all time. Lee also studied Jiu-Jitsu with Wally Jay, Before they called it "B"JJ
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish Any good wrestler (Like Randy Couture) will put his skills up against a BJJ Black Belt any day of the week. Any good MMA guy will beat a good BJJ guy, because everyone knows you don't have to be a BJJ black belt to beat a BJJ black belt. And Bruce Lee is widely recognized as the father of MMA. Just because he didn't fight on the ground in the movies doesn't mean he didn't know how. But if you've ever seen any of his movies, you know he DID fight on the ground.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish Don't confuse the actor with the fighter. Bruce Lee was first and foremost a fighter, whose job was acting. BTW, it was a guy who trained in Bruce Lee's JKD who who was responsible for Royce Gracie his first loss in UFC.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@conquestvideos Royce Gracie was a one dimensional fighter. Bruce Lee would get fkn whooped by Jon Jones, Anderson Silva, GSP, n more.
Bones87ish 1 month ago
@Bones87ish Everyone says that Royce Gracie is one dimensional, but he dominated the first five UFCs when it was closer to real. And Jon Jones has evolved from that. Bruce Lee was at that level in the 1960s. So if you consider how much he would have evolved from then, no one could touch him then, and no one could touch him now. All these people who claim that they could beat Bruce Lee didn't do it while he was alive. Anyone can talk trash after someone is dead.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@conquestvideos Alright after all that ima ask u to recommend me one video with Bruce Lee in an ACTUAL REAL FIGHT. It's easy to look cool hitting the bag or saying shit like "be like water" but where's the proof? If i go on youtube n type Bruce Lee in a real fight they won't show nothing but MOVIE SCENES. N don't say something stupid like "oh they never recorded him" When they pretty much recorded everything else he did in his life
Bones87ish 1 month ago
@Bones87ish 1) HE was an actor, and they recorded his acting, not everything. But, here are some facts: Real fight - Wong Jack Man. Though it was not filmed, this fight which Bruce won, is the reason there's a UFC today, because if Bruce had lost that fight, Asians would not be allowed to teach Americans martial arts. 2) Bruce was challenged to real fights on at least three of the five movies he filmed. There probably is footage of it, but not on Youtube. You'd have to ask Raymond Chow for that.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@conquestvideos Bruce Lee won against Wong Jack Man???? The research I did makes it look like a tie. Only fans from the Bruce Lee camp are the ones claiming a win. Asians not able to teach Martial arts, another fallacy. Bruce Lee was challenged because he was boasting. Trying searching the other side of the story before uttering statements as facts.
Rhonaldv 1 month ago
@conquestvideos only the chinese people like bruce lee wouldn't be able to teach kung fu. i dont think it has to do with other asian martial arts. The head of the chinese community did not like bruce lee teaching kung fu to americans. If it was other art like tae kwon do or judo, they would have not cared.
MessageInBlood1 1 month ago
@Bones87ish 3) While we're talking about real fights, show me some footage of Jon Jones or Anderson Silva in a real fight. The operative word is real, meaning no cage, no ref, no rounds and no weight classes. (Robert Clouse probably also has footage of Bruce in a real fight, because everyone knows he was challenged multiple times while filming 'Enter the Dragon.' Also, there may or may not be footage owned by Ed Parker since it was Parker's tournament at which Bruce introduced JKD)...
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish And made the challenge that he could defeat any person in the room in less than 90 seconds. He took on all comers, and though it took him closer to 3 minutes than 90 seconds, he did defeat them. BTW, Chuck Norris, Ed Parker, Joe Lewis, Bob Wall and Yeung Sze have all stated in interviews that they have seen Bruce Lee in real fights, and that his reputation was NOT unwarranted.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@conquestvideos U watched that one movie about Bruce Lee one too many times. Just because it's based on true events doesn't mean that everything from that story is true. Plus where was "Enter the Dragon" filmed? Because if it was filmed here in the States then him fighting ppl on set is a fkn lie because no1 could let two men fight without getting into serious trouble because since the 60's u needed fights to be sanctioned by some sort of athletic commission.
Bones87ish 1 month ago
@Bones87ish No FIGHT is ever sanctioned. You're talking about a match or a bout. I'm talking about a challenge to a real FIGHT, not an athletic competition. I don't know what Bruce Lee MOVIE you're talking about, but you put too much stock in UFC, and if you think those are real fights, you're wrong. A real fight, as I stated earlier, is not held in a cage, does not have rules, referees, weight classes, or a sanctioning body. Two people have a disagreement and think the way to resolve it...
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@conquestvideos How the fuck does the UFC now have real fights? Are the punches not REAL? Are the kicks not REAL? Are the KO's not REAL? N i don't even wanna discuss this with u after reading "there's very little dfference between UFC n WWE" Go watch a Bruce Lee MOVIE n watch some good ACTING while i watch Jon Jones n Anderson Silva KO REAL mothafuckin fighters! Oh wow Bruce Lee could beat everyone cause he could do 1 finger push ups LOL.
Bones87ish 1 month ago
@Bones87ish They're not real fights because of the rules. No 12-6 elbows, no kicks/knees to the head of downed opponents, no striking to the back of the head, no groin shots, no small digit manipulation, 5 minute rounds, weight classes etc. etc.
MMA is a sport, and somewhat close to real fighting, but def not real fighting.
BillORele 1 month ago
@BillORele Ok with all that said i would love it if u could recommend me a video of Bruce Lee in a REAL fight. N y the fuck did u mention a groin shot? Y would a man with dignity n pride want to steep so low by hitting someone in the groin like a faggot
Bones87ish 1 month ago
@Bones87ish Once again, there are no rules in a real fight. Bruce was a real fighter, who was also an actor. JKD is a fighting system; MMA is a sport. Bruce was an actor, Jon Jones is a sports entertainer. BTW, the punches and kicks in WWE are real also. Wrestlers really get injured, but they're still not real fights. Also, just because there's no footage on Youtube of Bruce in a real fight doesn't mean he's never had one. Have you ever been in a fight? Is it on Youtube?
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@conquestvideos Yea i've been in a fight but i never claimed to be the greatest n if i did i would have something to back up what i'm saying as for Bruce Lee he doesn't have shit! I got mad love for Royce gracie but if he was in his prime now he'll get fuckin MURDERED by the fighters today. There's tons n tons of footage of Bruce Lee other than movies n there' not ONE known footage known to man of him in a real fight. John Claude Van Damme was in real fights n u could watch em on youtube
Bones87ish 1 month ago
@Bones87ish First of all, there's NO RECORD of Jean-Claude Van Damme ever taking martial arts. He claims to have learned in Europe in Brussels, but people who were in Brussels at the time Van Damme claims to have been training never heard of him. Secondly, I told you about the footage I'm sure you can find of Bruce Lee as a Washington State Champion. Thirdly, he was also a boxing champion in Hong Kong. There may or may not be video footage of ALL of this, but it's certainly documented....
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@conquestvideos Boxing in Hong Kong is like Muay Thai in fkn France! When was the last time u seen an Asian champion in n e combat sport let alone boxing? What do u think would happen to a guy if he picked a fight with Anderson Silva or Jon Jones at a bar? "There's NO RECORD of Jean Claude Van Damme ever taking martial arts" Jesus Christ son u need to know your history. Youtube Jean Claude Van Damme 1979 fight caught on tape. U could even see a video of him training in 1979. SMH
Bones87ish 1 month ago
@Bones87ish First of all, Asian boxing champion... Bruce Lee. I just told you that. Secondly, a video of him training? Training with who? A video of him fighting? Fighting who? 1) How do you know it's real training? 2) How do you know it's a real fight? 3) How do you know its' really Jean-Claude Van Damme? Back to wrestling again, the wrestler Rob Van Dam got his name because he looks like Jean-Claude, and he actually did take martial arts.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish So maybe the footage you saw was someone else. But even if it was him, it doesn't mean that he took martial arts. And that's beside the point anyway. Jean-Claude was never a world champion in anything. And, he's also an actor, like Bruce, but not as good. So why do you believe he's a real fighter, and you don't believe Bruce is? And by the way, if Van-Damme is a real martial artist and a real fighter, why did he decline Steven Seagal's challenge when Seagal questioned his background?
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish And by the way, Van-Damme got his ass handed to him in a bar in New York by one of the stunt men who actually does the fight scenes in his movies. If I remember the guy's name, I'll throw that at you later. But that still has nothing to do with the fact that Bruce Lee was a real fighter. And it still has nothing to do with the fact that all these guys you claimed would beat Bruce, didn't. And you can make all the excuses you want, but...
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish Anyone can talk trash about someone when they know there's no chance of them proving it. Jon Jones, Anderson Silva or even Mirco CroCop could claim all day and night that they could have beaten Bruce, but they didn't. But then again, they're not the ones making this claim; you are. SHAKING MY HEAD.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish I just checked out the Jean-Claude Van Damme video and you still don't get it. That wasn't a real fight. That was a tournament. And you can't even make out JEan-Claude competing in that tournament. All you see is a black and white still photo of Van Damme throwing a jumping kick that looks like a movie promotion. And the tournament footage isn't even complete. But after the tournament footage, it shows the guy who beat him in that tournament at his home showing off the trophy.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish Van Damme can do the splits so he's a real fighter LOL.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish And don't call me son LMFAO
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@conquestvideos So do u think Kimbo's the greatest fighter ever since he pretty much beat everyone in what u would call a "REAL" fight with no gloves n rules LOL. N btw Jean Claude Van Damme was a blackbelt in Shotokan Karate. He had a pro kickboxing record of 16 wins n ZERO loses in REAL combat
Bones87ish 1 month ago
@Bones87ish Kimbo? No, not the greatest ever; although at least you're getting into real fights. Kickboxing is point-sparring; it's not real fighting. Anyway, I'd like to see documentation of this record you are claiming, because Van Damme couldn't prove that he studied martial arts in Europe. The earliest confirmed record of him training in martial arts comes from the time he trained with Frank Dux after he filmed the movie "Bloodsport" which is based on Dux's life...
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@conquestvideos Look it up n e where my dude. Look up wiki, google it, do something shit idk i'm just giving u the facts haha. N man trust me u would not say kickboxing is point-sparring if u ever got kicked in the legs before. I train mma. Not trying to toot my horn by saying that but believe me man getting kicked is no fkn joke a kick generates more force than a punch.
Bones87ish 1 month ago
@Bones87ish I agree; getting kicked in the legs or anywhere else hurts. But one, kick-boxing is point-sparring ,it's still a sport, and two, while you're kicking the other guy, the other guy is kicking you back. And his kicks hurt just as much as yours do. But the fact that it hurts doesn't make it any more real than when a wrestler puts another wrestler through a table. It's still just entertainment. Did Van Damme ever get taken down and choked out in one of those competitions?
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish Probably not, because it wasn't a real fight. And in a real fight, if you get kicked in the legs and you don't want to get kicked again, you do your best to throw the guy on the ground and jump on top of him. But in a kick-boxing match, you'd be disqualified for that. And if you can be disqualified, it's not a real fight. Which goes back to my point about groin shots and whatever else. In a real fight, there are no rules and nothing is unfair. It has nothing to do with honor.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish If both parties were that honorable, they wouldn't be fighting in the first place.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@conquestvideos Yea maybe. It's funny that u brought up Steven Seagal n Gene Lebell because there's this rumor that Seagal said that he has this technique that would get him out of Lebell's choke hold n what Seagal did was just Karate chop Lebells nutts but he still didn't let go so he ended up choking him out LOL
Bones87ish 1 month ago
@Bones87ish Yea, I heard that story too. And Seagal used to have a dojo in Hollywood, and I went there to ask about it right after I heard that it happened, and the instructor who was there at the time made the excuse that Seagal had just finished doing a stunt on one of his movies and was too tired to defend himself against "Judo" Gene.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish He only started taking Shotokan after he and Dux had a falling out because he stole another Dux story to make the movie "The Quest." It was during this time that that stuntman beat him up in a bar. I believe it was Frank Stallone who reported the details of that fight. But if Van Damme has an undefeated record in real fighting, why didn't he accept Seagal's challenge, and why isn't he in UFC? Jon Jones isn't undefeated. Anderson Silva isn't undefeated. Even Fedor has lost.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish Back on to Van Damme's undefeated record: Who did he fight? Not Chuck Norris. Not Joe Lewis. Not Bill "Superfoot" Wallis. Not Billy Blanks. Not Mike Stone. Not Tommy LaPuppet. Not Chaku Zulu. All these guys were world champions from the early 60s to the mid 70s. In the late 70s and through the 80s, the world full-contact champions have been Marco LaLa and Tony "Mafia" Hollaway. Van Damme didn't beat any of them. In fact, he never fought any of them.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish And the World Kumite Champion from 75 to 80 was Frank Dux. The guy Van Damme played as a character in "Bloodsport." So who did he fight? Sixteen guys he made up, or sixteen guys you made up?
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish Also, what makes you think that Bruce Lee's real fights would have been filmed? And, like I told you yesterday, if they were filmed, the movie studio owns that footage. So contact them and tell them to put it on Youtube. You still haven't answered the question of the REAL fight footage of Jon Jones or any MMA guy. You're still talking about sport fighting vs. Bruce Lee, and you only see Bruce Lee as an actor, and not the fighter who became the actor...
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish Oh by the way, it's BECAUSE OF Royce Gracie that MMA is now its own style. It was created to combat Royce Gracie and others who knew BJJ. So again, he single-handedly changed the way we look at Martial Arts. And about Bruce's ground fighting, if you don't believe he knew any, thirty years before it became popular, or you weren't paying attention when I described how he trained with "Judo" Gene LeBelle, check out "Bruce Lee Arm Triangle Choke" on Youtube.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@conquestvideos Bruce Lee was for sure a Reel fighter, but as for a Real Fighter, then why did he need Joe Lewis to test his theories in tournaments? My thinking is he could not afford the possibility of his reputation being tarnished if he lost.
Rhonaldv 1 month ago
@Bones87ish As I said, Chuck Norris, Mike Stone, Joe Lewis and many others have seen Bruce in real fights. That's why these world champions sought Bruce out to train with him. Again, MMA is sport fighting, not real fighting. It's not even as real as it was in the original UFCs with Royce Gracie, who many people now days say wasn't that good, but he fought guys literally twice his size, or bigger. He wasn't confined to the welter-weight class. More on that in a minute.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish Royce Gracie in UFC 1 was a fourth-degree black belt in BJJ. If Royce Gracie isn't THAT good, then BJJ isn't THAT good. But since EVERYBODY trains in BJJ now, we know it's pretty good. Another thing about Royce Gracie is that he, just like Bruce Lee, single-handedly changed martial arts and the way we look at martial arts forever. Bruce Lee was not a sport fighter. So the platform he used to promote his FIGHTING system was movies. But there is one more thing...
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish If you consider gloves, a ring, referees and rules a real fight, I'm pretty sure you can find some footage of Bruce Lee as a Washington State boxing champion when he was in college. If not, ask around. Now if you want to end the discussion, that's fine because my point has been made. ANYTHING THAT IS SANCTIONED BY AN ATHLETIC COMMISSION IS A SPORT, AND A SPORT CAN NEVER BE A REAL FIGHT.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish Is by pummeling each other into submission. If they tape their hands, wear gloves, have someone there to control the action, and have people sitting on the outside to score who would have done the most damage had they been allowed to actually hurt each other, that's not a fight, that's a match. There's very little difference between UFC and WWE; beyond the fact that in UFC, they don't necessarily know who's going to win before the match even starts.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Bones87ish A real fight can't be sanctioned, because in order for it to be sanctioned, there must be rules and regulations. And if there are rules and regulations, it is not a real fight.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@conquestvideos So I guess if someone challenges me to a fight and I pull out a gun and shoot him, then by your logic it must have been a real fight since no rules implies I can do anything I wish to win! Would you not call ancient duelling a real fight? There was rules and thought the more gentleman's way to settle disputes. Maybe you should reconsider your defination of what a real fight is.
Rhonaldv 1 month ago
@Rhonaldv No, if you pull a gun it's not a real fight; it's a shooting. And duels are not real fights either; they're gentlemen's agreements. If you get into a real fight and someone pulls a gun and you're surprised by that, then you obviously had the definition of a real fight. Because yes, anything goes, there are no rules. And that's not the conversation we were having. We were talking about a real fight versus a prize fight. A cage fight is not a real fight.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@conquestvideos Well if someone is punching me in the face multiple times, I would consider that I was in a fight. Call it real, prize, cage or not but the noun is more important then the adjective. A cage fight can be more dangerous then a so called real fight. To drunks throw punches in a bar could both slump to the floor to be unconcious thus hardly any damage or danger. Two prize fighters throwing haymakers that later in life leaves one with Parkinson's disease.
Rhonaldv 1 month ago
@conquestvideos So don't get hung up on what is so called real or not. I would be more inclined to lean towards differentiating between training for learning or improving, compared to fighting,whose goal could be winning(cage fight) or surviving(being attacked by an enemy). Both fights are REAL, just the consequences of losing are different.
Rhonaldv 1 month ago
@Rhonaldv First of all, it seems like you're the one who is hung up. A cage fight is not a real fight. No matter what damage could be done, there are rules and regulations and referees to ensure that the minimal amount of damage is done consistently. The bottom line is, it's a sport. A drunk at a bar rarely causes a fight. In most cases, the worst you'll have to deal with is a self-defense situation. Now don't tell me that I have to explain the difference between self-defense and a fight.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Rhonaldv Your analogy that the noun matters and the adjective doesn't is like playing paintball and saying you've been to war. The battles are the same, it's just the danger that is different. You could also use a video game where no matter what happens, you'll respawn in a few seconds. In a cage fight, if things get too bad for you, the ref steps in and gives you time to respawn. That won't happen in a real fight.
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Rhonaldv The bottom line is, you're hung up on the aspects of a "Gentleman's Agreement" in battle. So I ask you: The Geneva Convention states that prisoners of war cannot be tortured. So by your analogy, does that mean that Vietnam POW's and Iraq and Afghanistan POW's who WERE tortured were not REALLY at war because the enemy didn't follow the rules?
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@conquestvideos Two girls at the bargin bin are grabbing for the same pair of shoes. Suddenly the tug-of-war has a catfight develope. The one girl bitch slaps the other, both are yanking at each other's hair and scratching. This is a REAL FIGHT. Suddenly the manager and a security guard step in to seperate the combatants - huh almost like a referee. My agrgument has that a real fight can have rules and a real fight might not have any rules.
Rhonaldv 1 month ago
@conquestvideos I am not hung up on anything because I am not trying to claim some kind of superiority of what a real fight might have over a cage fight. Just think how Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini felt after killing a fellow fighter in the ring. Paintball is a game, I have never heard it refered to as Paintball war. And now you are throwing around the word Self Defence as you try to misdirect your weak analogy. What is it that you have against professional fighters?
Rhonaldv 1 month ago
@conquestvideos And in convoluted logic A Real fight can not have rules, but claiming a real fight has no rules means by defination your RULE, is that a real fight can not have rules. But you just made a rule of what makes a real fight!! I guess this statement rules out your argument. And yet are we not having a real fight with words? Oops maybe a real fight needs the chance of damage to happen, yet another rule - now my Ego is hurt.
Rhonaldv 1 month ago
@conquestvideos Okay my last argument was a little tongue in cheek, I apologise. I think I know that you are trying to tell that a so called street fight has and added element of danger that a sanctioned bout does not have. This I will totally agree with you. However many times there will be onlookers our even society constrants that would temper the fighters to somewhat obey unwritten rules. Most people live to some type of code.
Rhonaldv 1 month ago
@Rhonaldv With the girl fight, it was the store manager and security guard who wanted them to abide by rules, not the girls who were fighting. And just to be clear, I didn't say a real fight can't have rules, I said it doesn't, which is not a rule. The only rules that always apply are the rules of nature. But I appreciate your tongue-in-cheek comments and I do agree and have never disagreed that in most fights, most people have their own moral or ethical code of conduct...
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Rhonaldv So you see them throwing hands, sometimes kicks, now a-days probably some poor attempt at ground fighting, but you don't see biting, eye gouging, low blows and the like. That doesn't make it any less of a fight. My argument was not that there cannot be rules in a fight, and I have no problem with MMA fighters. My argument was simply that just because someone is good in the cage, doesn't mean that they'd be that good in a real fight...
conquestvideos 1 month ago
@Rhonaldv And someone who would do well in a real fight wouldn't necessarily do that well in a cage fight because there are rules that he would have to follow, that he wouldn't have to follow in a street fight. A real fight has no rules and no limitations. If you see a fight through the eyes of an MMA fighter, you're not seeing a real, wholly fight; you're seeing a bout. So what happens when he does pull a gun? When he does low blow? Are you going to say that he cheated?
conquestvideos 1 month ag