An infield fly is in effect when there are less than 2 outs and runners are on first and second OR first, second and third. If a ball that is struck (not bunted) results in reaching a significant height (a pop fly) that an infielder could catch with undue effort, it is an infield fly. It could be in the outfield, the key is that the INFIELDER has to be able to routinely catch it. And regardless if it is called by the umpires, it is still in effect and the runners must abide by the rule.
Oh I see what happened now. The runner on first (probably because he didn't hear the ump call "INFIELD FLY!") felt that he was forced to go to second because of the dropped ball, that is why he didn't slide, he knew he was out.
There WAS one out. I didn't hear the ump call it, but he must have. Even though the ball is dropped, the batter is automatically out. There is your second out. The runner on first advances to second at his own risk and is thrown out, there is your third out. I think the only thing controversial is that the ump called this an infield fly. The second basemen was not in a comfortable position to make that catch. But the rules state that the opinion of the ump is the final call.
There was one out. Batter is out on the infield fly rule. Runners advance at their own risk, so R1 is out ging to second base. That's why the second baseman tagged the runner. The force was removed by the infield fly rule.
hmm interesting. 1) The umpire has to call "infield fly" - I didn't hear it - but that doesn't mean he didn't yell it. 2) It doesn't necessarily have to be in the infield - it can actually be in the beginning of the outfield 3) infield fly cannot happen on two outs - this is the part that confuses me the most. Oh well - whatever.
1st off, if it's an infield fly then why is everyone getting off the field? You don't call it with two outs...so, let me get this straight, there was 1 out when #5 came up, his infield fly is called out (that's 2nd out)...where's out #3??
How can anyone (who wasn't there) say the umpires didn't appear to call it? We can only see the !B umpire; any one of them could have made the call.
And has been pointed out many times (yet still not comprehended by so many) the ball does NOT have to be in the infield. I too question this call, but not because it wasn't in the infield.
for the people saying the ball HAS to be in the infield, your wrong. For an infield fly to be called, the ball just has to be in fair play and be easibly catchable by an infielder, which is probably why the umps didn't call it because it was anything but routine for the 2nd baseman
This happened to me...but worse...base loaded, i hit a line drive into center field and they called it infield fly...#1...it wasnt in the infield...#2...it wasnt a fly ball...and #3...No one was thereto catch it.
As an umpire, I personally would not have called an IFR on this play, as the fly must be caught with "ordinary effort:" In other words, the infielder or the outfielder, must be camped under the fly. This was, in my judgement, NOT ordinary effort.
i did not see any umpire call infield fly if he did the runner advance at their own risk i didnt see a tag at second base or the umpire in second calling for the force out or tag.
This should help everyone on the rule. Please read the text in its entirety so you can fully understand everything behind the infield fly rule. eteamz.com/GlenwoodLittleLeague/files/infieldfly_rule.pdf
I coach my kids to stay on the bag until i motion them off the field here at second since ultimatly it was called an infield fly the kid running ro second would have been safe, because the player ( from what i can tell) did not get tagged he just stood on the bag for the force. so after the infield fly was called i would only have one out not two
I would have called infield fly. Definition of infield fly: "...is a fair fly ball (not including a line nor an attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder WITH ORDINARY EFFORT. ...The pitcher, catcher, and any outfielder stationed in the infield on the play shall be considered infielders..." You do not have to be under the ball or even attempt to catch it. Just has to be a ball that COULD be caught with ordinary effort.
That should not have been called an infield fly, an infield fly is when runners are one 1&2, or 1,2&3 and less then 2 outs, and a fly ball hit in the infield can be caught with reasonable effort, that ball was goin to the outfield, there for not an infield fly, but umps call, can reverse a call like that
You are almost correct. The ball can be in the outfield if it can be played by an infielder with normal effort. Back peddling is not normal effort so thus it should not have been called.
@davesabuckeye I am not almost correct, in Infield fly has to be a fly ball in the infield, hence the name INFIELD FLY, damn you are stupid, read the actual rule
@D15maximus no you are actually incorrect because the ball does not have to be caught in the infield i will write the rule for you word for word ok: "AN INFIELD FLY IS IN EFFECT WHEN A FAIR FLY BALL IS BATTED WITH LESS THAN TWO OUTS AND RUNNERS ON FIRST AND SECOND OR FIRST SECOND AND THIRD; AND IS PLAYABLE BY ANY INFIELDER WITH ORDINARY EFFORT" now maybe i'm mistaken but i don't see anywhere in that rule where it has to be in the infield. I read it only has to be playable by an infielder.
@D15maximus this is true depending on how deep into the outfield the ball is hit. You have to remember the mechanics of baseball here. An infielder's field of play is not only limited to the infield, a infielders field of play may extend into the shallow outfield as well and still be ordinary effort. If you read the reply to buckeyebryan10 i have placed the rule directly from the rule book. If this does not satisfy your request i will private message you the rest of the explaination.
@D15maximus Official Notes: On the infield fly rule the umpire is to rule whether the ball could ordinarily have been handled by an infielder, not by some arbitrary limitation such as the grass, or the baselines. The umpire must rule also that a ball is an infield fly, even if handled by an outfielder, if, in the umpire’s judgment, the ball could have been as easily handled by an infielder. The umpire’s judgment must govern, and the decision should be made immediately.
@emt100565 yes, but the rule says an outfielder us be in the infield for him to even be considered to be part of the infield fly, but you must understand what ordinary effort is, ordinary effort
@emt100565 are you 100% sure about that? You can actually have an outfielder coming in on a fly ball, with in close proximity to the infield to catch and infield fly. The only real criteria with your explanation is that the catch has to be considered 'with ordinary effort'. I don't have a rule book in front of me....but I am almost 110% positive an outfielder CAN catch an infield fly.
@buckeyebryan10 I apologize yes it can be an outfielder who stations himself in the infield on the play. Rule 2.00 Infield Fly - is a fair ball (not including a line drive nor an attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort, when first and second, or first, second and third bases are occupied, before two are out. The pitcher, catcher and any outfielder who stations himself in the infield on the play shall be considered infielders for the purpose of this rule.
@davesabuckeye you are correct....an infield fly can be caught in the outfield as long as it is in proximity to the infield...of course...umpire judgement comes in to this. This D15 guy would get killed worked the level of baseball I have the privilegde of working.....and this fielder did not display ordinary effort on going after this fly ball. Oh and...GO BUCKS!
@MCA8436 It is not implied - especially in the situation in this video. I would NOT have called this an infield fly because it there was the possibility of the ball dropping. No fielder really camped out under the ball. There was a sense that the ball could drop. Also, it was deep enough that it would have been IMPOSSIBLE to convert a dropped ball into a double play - and THAT is really the intent of the rule. I think the non-call in this situation was correct.
Also, in ruling on infield fly, the interpretation also is the level of ability of the players involved. In the majors, college, high school even , this should be caught. Infield fly should be called. Because on this, the runners are not going to be going, which would help the defense, which is why this rule exists, to protect the runners.
I probably wouldn't have called an infield fly, but it's one of those situations where it could have gone either way. As long as the call was made in time, you really can't argue.
I think that could have been deemed to be an infield fly! However it was in the Umpires judgement whether he felt the ball could have been caught by the infielder with ordinary effort. (can also be an outfielder see (2.00 infield fly)
infield fly rule applies to when there are less than 2 outs with runners on either 1st and 2nd, or 1st, 2nd and 3rd and a fly ball aka pop-up is hit near the infield, that's easily catchable by ANY fielder (not only infielders).
An outfielder can move in to the infield to make the catch if they really wanted.
everyone is forgetting that there has to be less than two outs in the inning. the rule is to prevent "unsportsmanlike" double or triple plays. if there are two outs, the infield fly rule isn't necessary. the rule is for the runners, not the fielders. also, the fly rule CAN apply to the outfield as well, it's just rare that an outfielder is going to risk "missing" the fly when there's a greater distance to throw for the second out.
I think the issue is not that the infield fly rule was called. The issue is WHEN it was called. The umpire HAS TO rule infield fly immediately for the benefit of the runners. Either "Infield Fly:Batter's Out" or if along the lines, "Infield Fly if fair" The umpire is required to make that announcement. You can't enforce the infield fly rule after the play. It is unfair to the base-runners. If they had known it would be enforced, then they would know they were no longer being forced to advance.
The rule is very simple. If the ball can be caught by an infielder with routine effort and is a fair ball it is an INFIELD FLY - even if the ball is in the outfield. The umpires got this one completely right.
if u wanna know something retarded about my mvp baseball 2004 game, here we go. I hit a pop fly in mid left field. the ump called an infield fly!! what an idiot! it was like 15 feet away from the infield! that ump is BLIND!
Good call 1st out was infeild fly (dropped ball) 2nd out was the tag of the runner at second as there is no force. .....LOL No one knows what is going on in the stands.
This was controversial only because the umpires did not appear to call it. As long as it is called, and playable by an infielder (doesn't matter where they catch it), then it's an infield fly.
@andywirtanen yes as long as it is playable by and infielder correct but it has to be playable with ordinary effort. That ball was too deep to be a usual infielder play. That is why he didn't catch it because it was too difficult to get under.
@andywirtanen actually it is only an infield fly if its a easy pop up in the infield. as soon as the fielder goes into the outfield grass it no longer becomes an easy catch. therefor a pop up and since he droped it runners need to move
@45zee hahahahahah you don't know the rule book. You are correct that has to be an easy catch. I believe the wording in the book is a routine fly ball. Here is where you are wrong, infield fly is called anytime a routine fly ball is able to be caught by an infielder, does not matter if they are in the outfield or not. Knowing that the average 2nd basemen for this level would make that catch 9 out of 10 times the umpire called infield fly.
An infield fly is in effect when there are less than 2 outs and runners are on first and second OR first, second and third. If a ball that is struck (not bunted) results in reaching a significant height (a pop fly) that an infielder could catch with undue effort, it is an infield fly. It could be in the outfield, the key is that the INFIELDER has to be able to routinely catch it. And regardless if it is called by the umpires, it is still in effect and the runners must abide by the rule.
wdunh69733 7 months ago
it left the infield no infield fly batter is not out
wwenmt14 8 months ago
It matters on effort or something
klh68100 10 months ago
NO WAY! it left the infield!
learnsports 10 months ago
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@learnsports it does not matter if its infeild or outfield
critter2 10 months ago
@learnsports idiot
hbkdfw 10 months ago
Oh I see what happened now. The runner on first (probably because he didn't hear the ump call "INFIELD FLY!") felt that he was forced to go to second because of the dropped ball, that is why he didn't slide, he knew he was out.
Twenty17 11 months ago
There WAS one out. I didn't hear the ump call it, but he must have. Even though the ball is dropped, the batter is automatically out. There is your second out. The runner on first advances to second at his own risk and is thrown out, there is your third out. I think the only thing controversial is that the ump called this an infield fly. The second basemen was not in a comfortable position to make that catch. But the rules state that the opinion of the ump is the final call.
Twenty17 11 months ago
the fielder was under the ball and just dropped it. No problem with the call of infield fly.
rivercityumpire 11 months ago
There was one out. Batter is out on the infield fly rule. Runners advance at their own risk, so R1 is out ging to second base. That's why the second baseman tagged the runner. The force was removed by the infield fly rule.
jacknr3 1 year ago 2
hmm interesting. 1) The umpire has to call "infield fly" - I didn't hear it - but that doesn't mean he didn't yell it. 2) It doesn't necessarily have to be in the infield - it can actually be in the beginning of the outfield 3) infield fly cannot happen on two outs - this is the part that confuses me the most. Oh well - whatever.
shawnlshs 1 year ago
Does anyone understand "ordinary effort"?
russ10x 1 year ago
@russ10x He should have caught that ball. It bounced off his glove.
catspjs01 11 months ago
1st off, if it's an infield fly then why is everyone getting off the field? You don't call it with two outs...so, let me get this straight, there was 1 out when #5 came up, his infield fly is called out (that's 2nd out)...where's out #3??
alasjajo 1 year ago
How can anyone (who wasn't there) say the umpires didn't appear to call it? We can only see the !B umpire; any one of them could have made the call.
And has been pointed out many times (yet still not comprehended by so many) the ball does NOT have to be in the infield. I too question this call, but not because it wasn't in the infield.
bigyaz 1 year ago
for the people saying the ball HAS to be in the infield, your wrong. For an infield fly to be called, the ball just has to be in fair play and be easibly catchable by an infielder, which is probably why the umps didn't call it because it was anything but routine for the 2nd baseman
omgmuffincake 1 year ago
This happened to me...but worse...base loaded, i hit a line drive into center field and they called it infield fly...#1...it wasnt in the infield...#2...it wasnt a fly ball...and #3...No one was thereto catch it.
28viking69 1 year ago
As an umpire, I personally would not have called an IFR on this play, as the fly must be caught with "ordinary effort:" In other words, the infielder or the outfielder, must be camped under the fly. This was, in my judgement, NOT ordinary effort.
russ10x 1 year ago
@russ10x "his was, in my judgement," oh man umpire that got the right wording down cant argue that.
critter2 10 months ago
thats easy. not an infield fly!
dmalenski 1 year ago
the ball has to be in the infield....
xPanthers09 1 year ago
the umpire didnt call it so there is no infeild fly rule plus that ball was not a routine fly ball
slipsakteboards 1 year ago
i did not see any umpire call infield fly if he did the runner advance at their own risk i didnt see a tag at second base or the umpire in second calling for the force out or tag.
tulile86 1 year ago
This should help everyone on the rule. Please read the text in its entirety so you can fully understand everything behind the infield fly rule. eteamz.com/GlenwoodLittleLeague/files/infieldfly_rule.pdf
emt100565 1 year ago
That was def an infield fly! but the umpires seemed confused themselves
MageMasher007 1 year ago
I coach my kids to stay on the bag until i motion them off the field here at second since ultimatly it was called an infield fly the kid running ro second would have been safe, because the player ( from what i can tell) did not get tagged he just stood on the bag for the force. so after the infield fly was called i would only have one out not two
mlannom1 1 year ago
I would have called infield fly. Definition of infield fly: "...is a fair fly ball (not including a line nor an attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder WITH ORDINARY EFFORT. ...The pitcher, catcher, and any outfielder stationed in the infield on the play shall be considered infielders..." You do not have to be under the ball or even attempt to catch it. Just has to be a ball that COULD be caught with ordinary effort.
jcarp1980 1 year ago
That should not have been called an infield fly, an infield fly is when runners are one 1&2, or 1,2&3 and less then 2 outs, and a fly ball hit in the infield can be caught with reasonable effort, that ball was goin to the outfield, there for not an infield fly, but umps call, can reverse a call like that
D15maximus 1 year ago
You are almost correct. The ball can be in the outfield if it can be played by an infielder with normal effort. Back peddling is not normal effort so thus it should not have been called.
davesabuckeye 1 year ago
@davesabuckeye I am not almost correct, in Infield fly has to be a fly ball in the infield, hence the name INFIELD FLY, damn you are stupid, read the actual rule
D15maximus 1 year ago
@D15maximus no you are actually incorrect because the ball does not have to be caught in the infield i will write the rule for you word for word ok: "AN INFIELD FLY IS IN EFFECT WHEN A FAIR FLY BALL IS BATTED WITH LESS THAN TWO OUTS AND RUNNERS ON FIRST AND SECOND OR FIRST SECOND AND THIRD; AND IS PLAYABLE BY ANY INFIELDER WITH ORDINARY EFFORT" now maybe i'm mistaken but i don't see anywhere in that rule where it has to be in the infield. I read it only has to be playable by an infielder.
emt100565 1 year ago
@emt100565 yes an infielder with ordinary effort, an infielder running to the outfield to catch a ball is not ordinary effort,
D15maximus 1 year ago
@D15maximus this is true depending on how deep into the outfield the ball is hit. You have to remember the mechanics of baseball here. An infielder's field of play is not only limited to the infield, a infielders field of play may extend into the shallow outfield as well and still be ordinary effort. If you read the reply to buckeyebryan10 i have placed the rule directly from the rule book. If this does not satisfy your request i will private message you the rest of the explaination.
emt100565 1 year ago
@D15maximus Official Notes: On the infield fly rule the umpire is to rule whether the ball could ordinarily have been handled by an infielder, not by some arbitrary limitation such as the grass, or the baselines. The umpire must rule also that a ball is an infield fly, even if handled by an outfielder, if, in the umpire’s judgment, the ball could have been as easily handled by an infielder. The umpire’s judgment must govern, and the decision should be made immediately.
emt100565 1 year ago
@emt100565 yes, but the rule says an outfielder us be in the infield for him to even be considered to be part of the infield fly, but you must understand what ordinary effort is, ordinary effort
D15maximus 1 year ago
@emt100565 are you 100% sure about that? You can actually have an outfielder coming in on a fly ball, with in close proximity to the infield to catch and infield fly. The only real criteria with your explanation is that the catch has to be considered 'with ordinary effort'. I don't have a rule book in front of me....but I am almost 110% positive an outfielder CAN catch an infield fly.
buckeyebryan10 1 year ago
@buckeyebryan10 I apologize yes it can be an outfielder who stations himself in the infield on the play. Rule 2.00 Infield Fly - is a fair ball (not including a line drive nor an attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort, when first and second, or first, second and third bases are occupied, before two are out. The pitcher, catcher and any outfielder who stations himself in the infield on the play shall be considered infielders for the purpose of this rule.
emt100565 1 year ago
@davesabuckeye you are correct....an infield fly can be caught in the outfield as long as it is in proximity to the infield...of course...umpire judgement comes in to this. This D15 guy would get killed worked the level of baseball I have the privilegde of working.....and this fielder did not display ordinary effort on going after this fly ball. Oh and...GO BUCKS!
buckeyebryan10 1 year ago
You don't have to call an infield fly, it is implied...
MCA8436 1 year ago
@MCA8436 It is not implied - especially in the situation in this video. I would NOT have called this an infield fly because it there was the possibility of the ball dropping. No fielder really camped out under the ball. There was a sense that the ball could drop. Also, it was deep enough that it would have been IMPOSSIBLE to convert a dropped ball into a double play - and THAT is really the intent of the rule. I think the non-call in this situation was correct.
davidemerling 1 year ago
If 2nd camped under this ball for a while I as an umpire would have called it, but it was more of a blooper
sfcougars45 1 year ago
Looks like there were 2 outs when this play was called. Infield Fly requires less than 2, so this was probably an incorrect call.
uclafalcon 2 years ago
it is a good no call
rrphelps 2 years ago
well the 2b kept backing up and was never in a position to make the catch look routine...i think its a good no call on the infield fly.
hayjamawas 2 years ago
Just to add for everyone who gave the definition of an infield fly... A bunt is not included and is not to be ruled an infield fly.
hotcar2323 2 years ago
its a infeilds fly because he can still let it drop and go 2 and then to 3 for the double play???
limes14 2 years ago
Also, in ruling on infield fly, the interpretation also is the level of ability of the players involved. In the majors, college, high school even , this should be caught. Infield fly should be called. Because on this, the runners are not going to be going, which would help the defense, which is why this rule exists, to protect the runners.
chuckfan1 2 years ago
How many outs were there when this play started?
bainsey89 3 years ago
I probably wouldn't have called an infield fly, but it's one of those situations where it could have gone either way. As long as the call was made in time, you really can't argue.
DennieLemeux 3 years ago
I think that could have been deemed to be an infield fly! However it was in the Umpires judgement whether he felt the ball could have been caught by the infielder with ordinary effort. (can also be an outfielder see (2.00 infield fly)
mikeman919 3 years ago
Not an infield fly. The infielder was still back peddling when trying to catch the ball. It's a live ball.
FroggerCod 3 years ago
infield fly does not need to be in the infield to make it required. that said i would of never called this. myself
critter2 2 years ago
infield fly rule applies to when there are less than 2 outs with runners on either 1st and 2nd, or 1st, 2nd and 3rd and a fly ball aka pop-up is hit near the infield, that's easily catchable by ANY fielder (not only infielders).
An outfielder can move in to the infield to make the catch if they really wanted.
buttkiss101 3 years ago
Manwhichman8u -techially it dosent have to be called in the infeild. but thats way too deep for me to consider infeild fly rule.
critter2 3 years ago
everyone is forgetting that there has to be less than two outs in the inning. the rule is to prevent "unsportsmanlike" double or triple plays. if there are two outs, the infield fly rule isn't necessary. the rule is for the runners, not the fielders. also, the fly rule CAN apply to the outfield as well, it's just rare that an outfielder is going to risk "missing" the fly when there's a greater distance to throw for the second out.
caseytylerwalter 3 years ago
I think the issue is not that the infield fly rule was called. The issue is WHEN it was called. The umpire HAS TO rule infield fly immediately for the benefit of the runners. Either "Infield Fly:Batter's Out" or if along the lines, "Infield Fly if fair" The umpire is required to make that announcement. You can't enforce the infield fly rule after the play. It is unfair to the base-runners. If they had known it would be enforced, then they would know they were no longer being forced to advance.
lgradyl 3 years ago
The rule is very simple. If the ball can be caught by an infielder with routine effort and is a fair ball it is an INFIELD FLY - even if the ball is in the outfield. The umpires got this one completely right.
kingfish196 3 years ago
it doesn't HAVE to be an infielder.. it can be an outfielder for a ball that's within relative close distance to the infield.
i would've ruled this an infield fly ball as well, assuming there were less than 2 outs.
but it's still sad that an "all-star" infielder would miss a pop-up.
buttkiss101 3 years ago
if u wanna know something retarded about my mvp baseball 2004 game, here we go. I hit a pop fly in mid left field. the ump called an infield fly!! what an idiot! it was like 15 feet away from the infield! that ump is BLIND!
dhall123456 4 years ago
Good call 1st out was infeild fly (dropped ball) 2nd out was the tag of the runner at second as there is no force. .....LOL No one knows what is going on in the stands.
DVOU812 4 years ago
This was controversial only because the umpires did not appear to call it. As long as it is called, and playable by an infielder (doesn't matter where they catch it), then it's an infield fly.
andywirtanen 4 years ago 3
@andywirtanen yes as long as it is playable by and infielder correct but it has to be playable with ordinary effort. That ball was too deep to be a usual infielder play. That is why he didn't catch it because it was too difficult to get under.
emt100565 1 year ago
@andywirtanen actually it is only an infield fly if its a easy pop up in the infield. as soon as the fielder goes into the outfield grass it no longer becomes an easy catch. therefor a pop up and since he droped it runners need to move
45zee 7 months ago
@45zee hahahahahah you don't know the rule book. You are correct that has to be an easy catch. I believe the wording in the book is a routine fly ball. Here is where you are wrong, infield fly is called anytime a routine fly ball is able to be caught by an infielder, does not matter if they are in the outfield or not. Knowing that the average 2nd basemen for this level would make that catch 9 out of 10 times the umpire called infield fly.
JaronBog 7 months ago
its not in the infield so its not infield fly....
Manwhichman8u 4 years ago
The infield fly rule has little to do with the infield....it is misleading.
rainfly797 4 years ago
It doesnt have to be in the infield. Just catchable BY and infielder.
lgradyl 3 years ago