Obviously there was no copyright system back when the parts of the bible was written. What does matter is your argument doesn't present a powerful thesis, if you will. You base it on the chance that theistic evolution is true, and I can knock that down like a house of cards by telling you that God can't be scientifically studied, meaning his existence cant be empirically proved OR disproved, this is common logic. Theistic evolution will never be true to due God's transcendence.
pardon my english/dyslexia. i mistook what jhol1177 said as theoretical science, then i mix matched the copyright part into that somehow :/. Point being, the hebrew people cant hold copyright on ancient text. a copyright only lasts i think 80 years after it's creator, there was still no copyright system back then meaning it is impossible for an ancient company to buy the text and keep it under copyright to this day.
I think with all this talk of ID Theory, Theistic Evolution, Young Earth Creation, Old Earth Creation (AKA Progressive Creation) etc. (and that's just Christianity!) it's pretty clear there are more than three views. Many people, including myself, have no problem reconciling the Bible with evolutionary theory. If you want an alternative viewpoint on this issue, I would highly suggest 'Evolutionary Creation' by Denis Lamoureux.
This video clearly is looking at this with a narrow mind. Your quotes had very little bearing on the subject, and looking at the posts you clearly have no grasp on the nature of the world.
As for narrowminded, well, I suppose if the bible's Truth is narrow minded then so am I, call it what you will, but my grasp of the nature of this world is well enough to know that theistic evolution is man, not God, compromise, something God does not do. truth remains truth, and just because one chooses to make up their own truth does not mean that the truth changes with each person.
Just for the people who might wonder why I removed my posts, I realized after I posted them and read them that they came off overly antagonistic, and that wasnt my intent.
Many intelligent Christians like CS Lewis accepted and accept evolution.
I would recommend that at least you open up your mind a little bit and break out from this fundamentalist evangelical fanatical mold and learn and explore more.
You are adhering to one of the most modern, shittiest forms of Christianity ever devised and as far removed from the original teachings of Christ as it can get.
even the most "intelligent" people can be deceived. I stick to what the bible says and not what man says, the proof is already there, perhaps you should open your eyes. The original teachings of Christ? Are not necessarily what scholars would say, even Jesus himself said that the wise will be made fools.
You have created a new logical fallacy by smashing together various logical fallacies.
A false (tri-cotomy) presenting only three options as the only solutions when there could be others. Two, the Strawman argument. Were you create an over simplification/misinformed/or horribly mutated version of your opponents views.
And finally with a few bible quotes and a question, you Beg the Question.
The Bible and theistic evolution (or intelligent design evolution or any other kind of evolution) are not compatible. In no way can evolution be true if the Bible is true.
Good point, there are two good points to add. One, is to say that our knowledge is limited and the evidence of evolution is incomplete. And two, is that for anyone to believe in something beyond the present moment we must have some evidence, and also some interest in it. I see there is just as much proof to the Bible, if not more than some of the claims on evolution. Though one does not need to be a literalist to believe in Jesus, since Genesis is not a science book.
you're the one that's been lied to. All the "evidence" is falsified, sorry, but I don't buy it. I believe God made the world the way He said He did, plain and simple.
But you can not demonstrate that the evidence was falsified. And you have no evidence that God said anything. You just have the words of men. Evolution also only has the words of men, but those words can be verified, while the words you believe in can not.
"you're the one that's been lied to. All the "evidence" is falsified, sorry, but I don't buy it. I believe God made the world the way He said He did, plain and simple."
You are the one that doesn't even understand Evolution. I'm saying this because of the laughable title for Option 1 stating the world MADE ITSELF. There was no conciousness involved. The natural properties of the universe led to the outcome we currently have, would have been more accurate.
Some people thousands of years ago made up a story, that through word of mouth & indoctrination got spread until they made a book out of it & conned people into thinking it was the divine word of God.
Or all the evidence for evolution that we can test today & repeat ourselves, have based a lot of our technology & medicine on has been faked because people want you to go to Hell?
I was actually in a hotel at the weekend & had the misfortune of opening a Bible. I couldn't get very far as I had to stop & laugh at all the contradiction.
I mean how can you people believe this stuff are the words of an all powerful being?
if you were to read with an open mind, and not read just to make fun of it, you might learn something. Its not a fairytale storybook, its history and Truth, written out of love from God to mankind.
Now before I tell you what is wrong with that statement, can you please define what you think an "open mind" means?
I know what the dictionary says, but people using it in relation to the Bible have an entirely different take on it. They seem to think it mean we should accept without evidence.
By the dictionary definition, it just means a mind receptive to different opinions and ideas. However reading the Bible in this way does still not change that it's blatantly not inspired by "God".
I mean have you read the "God" inspired books of every other religion with the same "Open Mind" you read the Bible? If so why is your Book the best one? Why is the Bible so sexist, racist & full of God killing people?
Yes you can say there are good things in it too, but that doesn't excuse the bad. You can & many do(Weboro Baptist Church etc.) take many bad messages from it. Every Christian cherry picks the Bible. Hardly evidence of it being divine!
Before you start making judgements think about what you're saying please, I don't appreciate the generalization, it shows you lose the argument before you even begin.
The bible isn't sexist or racist, I don't even know where you get that from. It is the testament of history, plain facts of the times back then.
As for cherry picking, you cannot make that assumption when you don't even know all of the bible and don't believe it or care for it, you only critisize and make fun of something you clearly don't understand.
And as a matter of fact I HAVE read other material, no, I haven't heard it claimed to be "God Inspired" like you say either, and the more I read, the more I am convinced that it is wrong, and that God's word is Truth. All these other books lead one away from God and into themselves, only the Bible leads man to God.
As for "God Inspired", I'm shocked as a Christian you haven't. There are generally 2 main schools of thought among the theists. One the Bible is "God Inspired", the other is that it's actual word of God. I went for the weaker version as it's more common & less offensive to the other school.
You gave the answer I expected someone to give having read the other books. Your only one more book away from sanity.
I will tell you one final thing though. After getting nothing of substance from your answers it's clear you really don't know why you believe stuff very well. I expect you to say you do now, but it's you that loses out by fooling yourself.
You certainly don't understand Physics at even a basic level from the above video though, so you can be safe in your little "open minded" delusions of what theist think of the Big Bang.
It seems I know a lot more of the Bible than you do considering you seem to have missed a big chunk of it.
I understand it perfectly well thanyou. I find flaws in it on many levels. If God exists & is all powerful, then he is immoral sending anyone to hell for some rules he made up.
Also if God created all our souls(Who we are) & those are what defines our choices, then anything we do is his fault, but he still sends us to hell?
I didn't generalise, just told you of my observations. I even asked you a question, which you didn't answer.
Bible racism!
Exodus 33:2
"I will send an angel before you and drive out the Canaanites, Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites."
There are many other bits where God apparently favours one race, even though he created everyone? I would quote them, but there's simply not enough room.
1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35* 34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Again many more examples, too little room. Not to mention the Bible also gives you detailed instructions on how to treat your slaves!
I have answered you fully, you just don't like what I say. Typical that you should resort to petty insults. I am not interested in arguing with you, sorry. Having an open mind doesn't mean I have to agree with everything you say, sorry to burst your bubble.
You never answered what you thought "Open Minded" meant & how that lead you to the belief the Bible was truth etc.?
As for insults, you started insulting me. I only changed my tone in response to you avoiding the questions & resorting to insults. Also I never insulted personally, just the stupid arguments(If you can call them that) you were making. All my comments had foundation. I'm guessing you think everyone who doesn't agree with you is insulting you?
I also have no interest in arguing with you further, since you give no intelligent responses.
Although I am happy that you know that having an "open mind" doesn't mean agreeing with everything. It was actually approaching the Bible when I was trying to believe in it logically & ethically that made me realise how stupid it was.
I will not reply any more since it's a futile exercise.
thx for proving my point, insulting me negates any intelligent response you may have had. Good luck in your search for truth, try Jesus, He is the only way. GBU.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Secular knowledge goes against the Word of God. The reason for this is that secular knowledge is based on a lie, which is that truth can be obtained through human effort. Truth can only be found through Jesus Christ.
Who defines reality? God, or people? The Creator, or the created? Christianity is not a religion, it is reality.
Whoever believes that the Tower of Babel story is true is an idiot. Languages have evolved in RECORDED HISTORY. Try reading "Beowulf" in its original Old English form. Old English is more similar to German than it is to modern English. It is ridiculous to think that an all-powerful god would be threatened by people building a stupid tower. Then he allows each group to multiply so that each group has enough people to build many Towers of Babel. Then for some reason god abandons the scatter tactic
I know you believe what the bible says. Give my paragraph some thought. I used to believe what the bible says. Open your mind. Imagine for once that the bible was written by bronze age men and not by god. The absurd ridiculousness will become apparent to you. If you realize that the bible was written by bronze age men, everything makes perfect sense. If you imagine that it was inspired by an ALL-KNOWING being, it is ridiculous.
Evolution doesnt have anything to do with how the world was made. 'Sins' can not be transfered from one person to another. If Adam and Eve did exist their sins are not passed down to all of humanity just like god can not forgive Someone else for doing a sin against me, only I can forgive them. Jesus saved no one from anything
well.. It's totally contrary in Bible... I mean Adam and Eve commited a sin... And now all the humanity is paying it back.. I mean why would nature be so cruel giving women the most painful delivery ever, and more over regulars.. Come on.. Have you ever seen a cat or a dog screamig every month becaise of pain? And Jesus.. He granted us immortal life.. A possibility to go to Heaven.. And only we can make it happen or not..
So if you broke your neighbor's window because you were throwing rocks to impress your friends and someone saw and reported it to them. But the neighbor dropped the charges, because they said they had more in storage. So basically all you had to do was say you were sorry and maybe help clean up the broken glass or help put the new window in and your neighbor would see that you were sorry and would not hold anything against you, even though you did not pay for the new window.
I believe God created us through evolution. One truth cannot contradict another truth. The creation story and evolution may co-exist.
Q1: The bible isn't wrong because the bible doesn't give a scientific account about how the world was created. The bible is symbolic and explains "why" we are created..
Q2: This question doesn't make sense. Jesus saved us for the sins and evilness we have done not for death. Death is the time that will give purpose in one's life.
I think it should be blatanly obvious to anyone who ever actually reads the bible that Evolution is inconsistent with the bibles overall world view. However, 'THEISM' does not mean 'CHRISTIANITY". One can still believe in a God and evolution. Its just that if they claim their god is represented in the bible, then they are just fooling themselves.
Howdy Parry. I am back. (dont get too excited) lol
I hear many Christians arguing for theistic evolution. They make very common arguments, and appeal to Semetic Lit. There is one problem however, their arguments are not grounded in a very good understanding of Sem. Lit., and often twist early interpretations beyond what they really said. If Abraham was real, and the text says he was, then so was Adam. If Orthodox Judaism admits this, why are Christians so afraid to? Good video, thank you for posting.
Why would any Christian of sound mind even consider compromising the Glorious Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ for that of a theory made by fallible man!?!
key words here...."sound mind". People would rather believe anything made up to please their itching ears, than to hear the TRUTH that sometimes hurts because then they have to admit they are wrong and God actually knows what He is doing. ;)
I don't think they understand "Theistic Evolution" which only refers to a traditional Christian view of Genesis 1. God said "Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind... ect" (an indirect act of creation). God made man, a living creature made from the earth (Adam means "earthling"). Conscienceness and free will are what make us different and enable us to choose evil and rebel against God, and thus fall. We are born in a state of natural sin and death, and need a savior.
I'm sorry I don't think I understand. What exactly are you aying I don't know much about "Theistic Evolution" as opposed to creation. What are you suggesting?
It's a huge thing to explain here, but "theistic evolution" is a vague term. Basically, science can explain the physical world, and none of its findings should threaten our concept of God or place in nature in the biblical sense. I would suggest u watch Francis Colins (Part 7) on my channel (His book the language of God is good on this too), and also read "Orthodoxy and Creationism" by Andrey Kuraev (google it). Tim keller, Ravi Zacharias, William Craig Lane spoke and wrote on this also.
I don't think it does. It is not a new interpretation of the Bible actually (Augustine, Chrysostom and other church fathers held that view). Literal interpretation of Genesis is a modern stand (out of sync with Semitic religious written genre) and a reaction to the challenges of Atheism (it also sadly sustains it). I just thought I'd share that with you, but if you're uncomfortable with it I understand. May God enlighten our way to better understand his works and love. Peace ;)
It must be noted that Augustines view would not support evolution, in any event, he is just a man interpreting. Regarding Semetic Lit., I agree and disagree. The 2 accounts are using contrast to say something more then the literal words, but to say that it was not interpreted as a historical narrative, is problematic, because it was. If Orthodox Jews admit this (they do), why are Christians so afraid to?
Ie, Augustine wasn't against Adam and Eve, he was against Gen. being interpreted that God's footsteps were literally heard in the Garden, and he was against sections of scripture talking about God's eyes, nose, hand, etc. being interpreted literally.
I have an excerpt of a lecture called "Adam and Death in Genesis." It would answer ur question better than I can.
Of course, any believer in God as creator, regardless of how He made the material world, is a creationist. Genesis 1 and 2 are born from ancient Semitic poetic oral traditions, and should not be read as histories in the modern sense. Once in writing, then translated, then handed down, then spread outside its literary and cultural context, only the literal understanding survives.
That is a nice argument, but I come from a Jewish backround, I read Hebrew and I studied with Heredim. To say it is not histories in the modern sense is a decieving statement, history is history or it not history. I have yet to find someone of that view who could discuss this in Hebrew (and I went to a Liberal Seminary). To be sure it is written like a creed or poem denouncing idols, but please see my responce about what Augustine said about such things, he would not have endorced Evolution.
Funny you should say that because I come from an Aramaic background and went to a seminary too.
History requires eyewitness accounts and sources. The sources for Genesis 1 and 2 are Babylonian and Phoenician myths, although the stories are altered to reflect new theology.
Adam (Heb for Man=anthropos) can be a generic human being: "In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam" (Gn 5:1-2).
Aramit?! Okay, I'll watch the vids. and you have possibly gained yourself a sub. Now, an unrelated and giddy question:), you come from a backround of spoken Aramaic? I am trying to get a differnt understanding from school and hopeing for a fresher view then a textbook view..can you recommend anything? Sorry if this appears like a dumb/unrefined question, I am less educated in Aramit then Ivrit ve'yavanit, yiddishkiet, etc. todah rabba ve kol hakavod!:)
Of course, Aramaic is no longer widely spoken. It is used mostly in Syrian Orthodox churches and in some ramaining small communities in Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon. I've done my MA thesis on this language, but I can't say I'm an expert in it. Paul Tarazi, himself a Lebanese Christian, is a scholar who specialized in the Old Testament and Semitic languages and traditions. Arabic replaced it today, but even this rather new Semitic language branched out of Aramaic linguistic roots and traditions.
Much of medical science is based on evolution. Evolution is supported by all of the scientific disciplines. Have you seen DonExodus2 chanel? He has a series called "Proof of Evolution" and it is fascinating. He is a Christian and embraces science, so if you took a look at the actual evidence for evolution it is eyeopening. Either evolution is true or God is making it look like that is what happened. I learnt about "Atavisms" - throwbacks & summation (all the lines of evidence that match).
Hi Pary, Hope all is well - this is my take and is not meant to be offensive. I think the bible says that Jesus saved us from the wrath of his father who was very angry about stolen fruit & disobedience by his original creations. The part that is confusing though is if it is the father, the son and the holy ghost triune eg. one entity then why did he torture and kill himself to forgive us. I find the story doesn't make sense and blood sacrifice sounds like a very ancient cultish bad idea.
I don't know if you are in wester Canada or not, but if you are, take a trip to the Royal Tyrrell Museum. Rather than asking a bunch of Christians or Atheist try talking to a few or all or the PHds there the hard questions. They are the people that can really explain evolution, and give you great hands on examples.
"Theistic evolution says death reigned before man evolved"
Not sure if I got the quote correct, just typing it out of memory. Where is that quote from? I am not trying to argue with you just interested if that is something written or if that is your opinion. I am not a theistic evolutionist nor a Christian nor an Atheist, just interested.
No it doesn't. That's evangelical tripe that wasn't found anywhere in Christian theology until the last couple centuries.
Death in the Bible frequently refers to separation from God; for example in Genesis 2:17 ...in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. If this was referring to literal death, God was lying, because Adam lived.
Jesus saved us from OUR sins. You know, the only sins we are actually guilty of?
The story of our beginning is told in Genesis, there is more in that book about our past that answers questions than could be imagined, it just needs to be studied in depth.
Look at the complexities of the human body, no ACCIDENT could design that! And the perfect way the elements of the universe works together, to believe it came about as an accident is beyond me.
I don't really care for that phrase "we have evolved but God hasn't"
true God never changes, the bible says he is the same yesterday today and forever. But man hasn't changed either I don't think, we are still made in His image ;)
There clearly are things that are random in the modern mathematical sense, but of course 'God' knows how these random events are going to play out. Thus, even if we're saying the universe evolved, that doesn't mean that God didn't make it, or that the universe didn't play out the way God wanted it to.
I'm not compromising; I'm an atheist. I'm just pointing out that your theological arguments are specious and inane, and have already been rebutted multiple times by Christian theologians.
"You ditz, I'm saying that the laws of physics are random."
In that case, you ditz, your own argument backfires. Have you forgotten that God's attributes, if he exists, would have also been determined randomly? His omniscience, omnipotence, and omni-benevolence could just as easily have been ignorance, impotence, and omni-malevolence.
"...But accidents are logical...when they end up creating entire universes... ;_; lolz, jk!"
It's obvious you don't understand what I'm saying. Why does God have those attributes? I'm not asking why you believe in a God with those attributes; I'm asking why he has them. Obviously, nothing greater gave them to him, and he couldn't have given them to himself. Therefore, you have to conclude that God's attributes are random, just like the laws of physics in my worldview.
"...when did I even use the word 'random' in any of my comments?"
You didn't; you used the term 'accident' which implies randomness.
"God has existed for all eternity."
The laws of physics existed for all eternity, and gave rise to the universe. However, they're random; they could just as easily have been inimical to life. God, in your delusion, replaces the laws of physics, but he's still subject to the same foundational randomness. He could just as easily have had other traits.
How would you know if physics existed with out a universe? How could it exist without matter?
How does God replace physics?
"Physics, in everyday terms, is the science of matter and its motion; the science that deals with concepts such as force, energy, mass, and charge for example."
What does physics have to do with evolution!?
And no, God doesn't replace matter and it's motion. No idea where you got that.
"Physics, in everyday terms, is the science of matter and its motion..."
Today, physics also usually deals with the structure of time and the universe (relativity, for example). In other words, the laws of physics are the underlying rules which the universe follows.
"What does physics have to do with evolution!?"
Nothing, but it does have a lot to do with 'creating entire universes' which is what this discussion is about. Pay attention!
I feel that you're being deliberately obtuse. In your delusion, God is the underlying cause of the universe; in reality, it's the laws of physics that govern time and space down to a quantum level. You said the laws themselves were random; I agreed, but added that by that definition God's characteristics are also random.
Do you need me to walk you through it again? Any more words you need defined? Or can you actually address the issue now?
remind you, a theory is just that, a theory. Not truth. And the truth is, that no accident could create the design we see in the earth today, even atheists have admitted such.
I'm a theistic evolution guy myself, but Christianity is not about that as I"m sure you know Perry :). Its about being set free from the angst that all humans feel knowing that they are going to die and in the grand scheme of things their lives are feeble and meaningless, its about God coming in your life in the form of Christ and replacing that angst with meaning and indescriable joy.
Its about spreading His message. And if we cannot agree as christians on the most basic of what the bible explains to us, how are we expected to know God deeper, and what other falsehoods are we so succeptible to then?
You can't agree on the bible because it is inconsistent. That's why there are thousands of versions if Christianity - it keeps speciating an mutating. The successful ones survive, the others die ...
You can't know god more deeply because it doesn't exist.
HOWEVER if you start with a closed mind you will warp all facts to fit your view. I suspect that you are already doomed this way. Good luck breaking out of your delusional slavery!
Yes, the Bible is wrong. If pagans, or anyone else for that matter, went around saying that death was introduced when thus-and-so happened, they would also be wrong.
death existed alongside sin, the two go hand in hand. Common sense says that if Jesus saved us from sin and death, then theistic evolution is wrong anf the word of God stands. Those who wish to argue the validity of the bible this is not meant for, rather it is meant for those so called "creationist-evolutionists" that like to twist scripture to suit their own thinking rather than follow what God says.
@parymich777
Just because you can name 3 different views, does not mean that those are the only one out there, or the only ones we will ever discover.
I also found alot of missrepresentation in this video, for an example, i have not heard that science would say that the world made itself.
You also missrepresented the whole ''theistic evolution'', since you can be a theist, accept evolution, and not be a christian.
I also want to know, why did you start quoting the bible? :o
Turha101 1 year ago
the Bible says anyone can be delivered from sin and hell (not death) through belief and repentance..please quote accurately
smerrigan 1 year ago
If theistic evolution is true then the "Jews" or Hebrew people, own the copyright on Yahweh and Jesus and all that they ever recorded about them.
So many ideas...
jhol1177 2 years ago
so many ideas, only one Truth...
how does theistic evolution have anything to do with copyrighting God though, just curious?
parymich777 2 years ago
@jhol1177
Obviously there was no copyright system back when the parts of the bible was written. What does matter is your argument doesn't present a powerful thesis, if you will. You base it on the chance that theistic evolution is true, and I can knock that down like a house of cards by telling you that God can't be scientifically studied, meaning his existence cant be empirically proved OR disproved, this is common logic. Theistic evolution will never be true to due God's transcendence.
Riyuzakisan 2 years ago
@Riyuzakisan
pardon my english/dyslexia. i mistook what jhol1177 said as theoretical science, then i mix matched the copyright part into that somehow :/. Point being, the hebrew people cant hold copyright on ancient text. a copyright only lasts i think 80 years after it's creator, there was still no copyright system back then meaning it is impossible for an ancient company to buy the text and keep it under copyright to this day.
Riyuzakisan 2 years ago
I think with all this talk of ID Theory, Theistic Evolution, Young Earth Creation, Old Earth Creation (AKA Progressive Creation) etc. (and that's just Christianity!) it's pretty clear there are more than three views. Many people, including myself, have no problem reconciling the Bible with evolutionary theory. If you want an alternative viewpoint on this issue, I would highly suggest 'Evolutionary Creation' by Denis Lamoureux.
MelOilers 2 years ago
This video clearly is looking at this with a narrow mind. Your quotes had very little bearing on the subject, and looking at the posts you clearly have no grasp on the nature of the world.
Not impressed. :-(
Brainwashing at its best I guess.
XenMonkey13 2 years ago
Brainwashing? How so?
Noone's forcing anyone to believe anything, that word is overused and never in the right context...
parymich777 2 years ago
As for narrowminded, well, I suppose if the bible's Truth is narrow minded then so am I, call it what you will, but my grasp of the nature of this world is well enough to know that theistic evolution is man, not God, compromise, something God does not do. truth remains truth, and just because one chooses to make up their own truth does not mean that the truth changes with each person.
parymich777 2 years ago
Just for the people who might wonder why I removed my posts, I realized after I posted them and read them that they came off overly antagonistic, and that wasnt my intent.
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howlingwolf8 2 years ago
Many intelligent Christians like CS Lewis accepted and accept evolution.
I would recommend that at least you open up your mind a little bit and break out from this fundamentalist evangelical fanatical mold and learn and explore more.
You are adhering to one of the most modern, shittiest forms of Christianity ever devised and as far removed from the original teachings of Christ as it can get.
redtortoise76 2 years ago
even the most "intelligent" people can be deceived. I stick to what the bible says and not what man says, the proof is already there, perhaps you should open your eyes. The original teachings of Christ? Are not necessarily what scholars would say, even Jesus himself said that the wise will be made fools.
parymich777 2 years ago
You have created a new logical fallacy by smashing together various logical fallacies.
A false (tri-cotomy) presenting only three options as the only solutions when there could be others. Two, the Strawman argument. Were you create an over simplification/misinformed/or horribly mutated version of your opponents views.
And finally with a few bible quotes and a question, you Beg the Question.
Fun times.
sabertooth1980 2 years ago
lol yeah I thought this video was atrocious also
redtortoise76 2 years ago
oversimplified? LOL.
parymich777 2 years ago
Fail.
Chemicalogic 2 years ago
The Bible and theistic evolution (or intelligent design evolution or any other kind of evolution) are not compatible. In no way can evolution be true if the Bible is true.
Seisachtheia 2 years ago
Good point, there are two good points to add. One, is to say that our knowledge is limited and the evidence of evolution is incomplete. And two, is that for anyone to believe in something beyond the present moment we must have some evidence, and also some interest in it. I see there is just as much proof to the Bible, if not more than some of the claims on evolution. Though one does not need to be a literalist to believe in Jesus, since Genesis is not a science book.
tbonealaska 2 years ago
Ok obviously you don't get it. Evolution has nothing to do with "How we got here". Nothing. At all. so stop trying to say it does.
Xycondetsu 2 years ago
I belive in an Allmighty GOD JESUS CHRIST who died for our sins.The bible is the word of GOD Allmighty.
fettkatt87 2 years ago
Creationism? Really? People are still into that?
h8uall66 2 years ago
seeing as God made the world, yeah, people will always be into the truth ;)
parymich777 2 years ago
But we have already demonstrated that creationism is not the truth. It's a lie. All the evidence points to evolution.
h8uall66 2 years ago
you're the one that's been lied to. All the "evidence" is falsified, sorry, but I don't buy it. I believe God made the world the way He said He did, plain and simple.
parymich777 2 years ago
But you can not demonstrate that the evidence was falsified. And you have no evidence that God said anything. You just have the words of men. Evolution also only has the words of men, but those words can be verified, while the words you believe in can not.
h8uall66 2 years ago
"you're the one that's been lied to. All the "evidence" is falsified, sorry, but I don't buy it. I believe God made the world the way He said He did, plain and simple."
You are the one that doesn't even understand Evolution. I'm saying this because of the laughable title for Option 1 stating the world MADE ITSELF. There was no conciousness involved. The natural properties of the universe led to the outcome we currently have, would have been more accurate.
OlympicRudi 2 years ago
Also, what's more plausible,
Some people thousands of years ago made up a story, that through word of mouth & indoctrination got spread until they made a book out of it & conned people into thinking it was the divine word of God.
Or all the evidence for evolution that we can test today & repeat ourselves, have based a lot of our technology & medicine on has been faked because people want you to go to Hell?
OlympicRudi 2 years ago
So someone either faked one book, or faked lots of them!
OlympicRudi 2 years ago
the Truth is in the Word of God, read it.
parymich777 2 years ago
I was actually in a hotel at the weekend & had the misfortune of opening a Bible. I couldn't get very far as I had to stop & laugh at all the contradiction.
I mean how can you people believe this stuff are the words of an all powerful being?
OlympicRudi 2 years ago
if you were to read with an open mind, and not read just to make fun of it, you might learn something. Its not a fairytale storybook, its history and Truth, written out of love from God to mankind.
parymich777 2 years ago
Now before I tell you what is wrong with that statement, can you please define what you think an "open mind" means?
I know what the dictionary says, but people using it in relation to the Bible have an entirely different take on it. They seem to think it mean we should accept without evidence.
By the dictionary definition, it just means a mind receptive to different opinions and ideas. However reading the Bible in this way does still not change that it's blatantly not inspired by "God".
OlympicRudi 2 years ago
I mean have you read the "God" inspired books of every other religion with the same "Open Mind" you read the Bible? If so why is your Book the best one? Why is the Bible so sexist, racist & full of God killing people?
Yes you can say there are good things in it too, but that doesn't excuse the bad. You can & many do(Weboro Baptist Church etc.) take many bad messages from it. Every Christian cherry picks the Bible. Hardly evidence of it being divine!
OlympicRudi 2 years ago
Before you start making judgements think about what you're saying please, I don't appreciate the generalization, it shows you lose the argument before you even begin.
The bible isn't sexist or racist, I don't even know where you get that from. It is the testament of history, plain facts of the times back then.
parymich777 2 years ago
As for cherry picking, you cannot make that assumption when you don't even know all of the bible and don't believe it or care for it, you only critisize and make fun of something you clearly don't understand.
parymich777 2 years ago
And as a matter of fact I HAVE read other material, no, I haven't heard it claimed to be "God Inspired" like you say either, and the more I read, the more I am convinced that it is wrong, and that God's word is Truth. All these other books lead one away from God and into themselves, only the Bible leads man to God.
parymich777 2 years ago
As for "God Inspired", I'm shocked as a Christian you haven't. There are generally 2 main schools of thought among the theists. One the Bible is "God Inspired", the other is that it's actual word of God. I went for the weaker version as it's more common & less offensive to the other school.
You gave the answer I expected someone to give having read the other books. Your only one more book away from sanity.
OlympicRudi 2 years ago
I will tell you one final thing though. After getting nothing of substance from your answers it's clear you really don't know why you believe stuff very well. I expect you to say you do now, but it's you that loses out by fooling yourself.
You certainly don't understand Physics at even a basic level from the above video though, so you can be safe in your little "open minded" delusions of what theist think of the Big Bang.
OlympicRudi 2 years ago
It seems I know a lot more of the Bible than you do considering you seem to have missed a big chunk of it.
I understand it perfectly well thanyou. I find flaws in it on many levels. If God exists & is all powerful, then he is immoral sending anyone to hell for some rules he made up.
Also if God created all our souls(Who we are) & those are what defines our choices, then anything we do is his fault, but he still sends us to hell?
OlympicRudi 2 years ago
I didn't generalise, just told you of my observations. I even asked you a question, which you didn't answer.
Bible racism!
Exodus 33:2
"I will send an angel before you and drive out the Canaanites, Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites."
There are many other bits where God apparently favours one race, even though he created everyone? I would quote them, but there's simply not enough room.
OlympicRudi 2 years ago
Sexism!
1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35* 34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Again many more examples, too little room. Not to mention the Bible also gives you detailed instructions on how to treat your slaves!
OlympicRudi 2 years ago
I have answered you fully, you just don't like what I say. Typical that you should resort to petty insults. I am not interested in arguing with you, sorry. Having an open mind doesn't mean I have to agree with everything you say, sorry to burst your bubble.
parymich777 2 years ago
You never answered what you thought "Open Minded" meant & how that lead you to the belief the Bible was truth etc.?
As for insults, you started insulting me. I only changed my tone in response to you avoiding the questions & resorting to insults. Also I never insulted personally, just the stupid arguments(If you can call them that) you were making. All my comments had foundation. I'm guessing you think everyone who doesn't agree with you is insulting you?
OlympicRudi 2 years ago
I also have no interest in arguing with you further, since you give no intelligent responses.
Although I am happy that you know that having an "open mind" doesn't mean agreeing with everything. It was actually approaching the Bible when I was trying to believe in it logically & ethically that made me realise how stupid it was.
I will not reply any more since it's a futile exercise.
OlympicRudi 2 years ago
thx for proving my point, insulting me negates any intelligent response you may have had. Good luck in your search for truth, try Jesus, He is the only way. GBU.
parymich777 2 years ago
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Secular knowledge goes against the Word of God. The reason for this is that secular knowledge is based on a lie, which is that truth can be obtained through human effort. Truth can only be found through Jesus Christ.
Who defines reality? God, or people? The Creator, or the created? Christianity is not a religion, it is reality.
georgeamarcelo 2 years ago
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Whoever believes that the Tower of Babel story is true is an idiot. Languages have evolved in RECORDED HISTORY. Try reading "Beowulf" in its original Old English form. Old English is more similar to German than it is to modern English. It is ridiculous to think that an all-powerful god would be threatened by people building a stupid tower. Then he allows each group to multiply so that each group has enough people to build many Towers of Babel. Then for some reason god abandons the scatter tactic
lotanddaughters 2 years ago
I believe what the bible says about the tower of babel.
parymich777 2 years ago
I know you believe what the bible says. Give my paragraph some thought. I used to believe what the bible says. Open your mind. Imagine for once that the bible was written by bronze age men and not by god. The absurd ridiculousness will become apparent to you. If you realize that the bible was written by bronze age men, everything makes perfect sense. If you imagine that it was inspired by an ALL-KNOWING being, it is ridiculous.
lotanddaughters 2 years ago
Evolution doesnt have anything to do with how the world was made. 'Sins' can not be transfered from one person to another. If Adam and Eve did exist their sins are not passed down to all of humanity just like god can not forgive Someone else for doing a sin against me, only I can forgive them. Jesus saved no one from anything
mrhippothethird 3 years ago
well.. It's totally contrary in Bible... I mean Adam and Eve commited a sin... And now all the humanity is paying it back.. I mean why would nature be so cruel giving women the most painful delivery ever, and more over regulars.. Come on.. Have you ever seen a cat or a dog screamig every month becaise of pain? And Jesus.. He granted us immortal life.. A possibility to go to Heaven.. And only we can make it happen or not..
logelena 2 years ago
"Come on.. Have you ever seen a cat or a dog screamig every month becaise of pain?"
Actually, yes, all the time, it's called being in heat LOL, and it's one of the hardest things to watch.
As for Jesus, our eternal life is guaranteed, where we spend it is up to us. But Only Christ was able to make it possibe for us.
parymich777 2 years ago
So if you broke your neighbor's window because you were throwing rocks to impress your friends and someone saw and reported it to them. But the neighbor dropped the charges, because they said they had more in storage. So basically all you had to do was say you were sorry and maybe help clean up the broken glass or help put the new window in and your neighbor would see that you were sorry and would not hold anything against you, even though you did not pay for the new window.
tbonealaska 2 years ago
I believe God created us through evolution. One truth cannot contradict another truth. The creation story and evolution may co-exist.
Q1: The bible isn't wrong because the bible doesn't give a scientific account about how the world was created. The bible is symbolic and explains "why" we are created..
Q2: This question doesn't make sense. Jesus saved us for the sins and evilness we have done not for death. Death is the time that will give purpose in one's life.
foreverblue04 3 years ago
I think it should be blatanly obvious to anyone who ever actually reads the bible that Evolution is inconsistent with the bibles overall world view. However, 'THEISM' does not mean 'CHRISTIANITY". One can still believe in a God and evolution. Its just that if they claim their god is represented in the bible, then they are just fooling themselves.
Howdy Parry. I am back. (dont get too excited) lol
cjunk351 3 years ago
woohoo! hehe hey cjunk! for once i have to agree with you lol. good to see u back :P
how u doin?
parymich777 3 years ago
I hear many Christians arguing for theistic evolution. They make very common arguments, and appeal to Semetic Lit. There is one problem however, their arguments are not grounded in a very good understanding of Sem. Lit., and often twist early interpretations beyond what they really said. If Abraham was real, and the text says he was, then so was Adam. If Orthodox Judaism admits this, why are Christians so afraid to? Good video, thank you for posting.
everythingindie 3 years ago
Why would any Christian of sound mind even consider compromising the Glorious Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ for that of a theory made by fallible man!?!
WaitingforChrist 3 years ago
key words here...."sound mind". People would rather believe anything made up to please their itching ears, than to hear the TRUTH that sometimes hurts because then they have to admit they are wrong and God actually knows what He is doing. ;)
parymich777 3 years ago
Because it's correct based on tons of evidence.
Go to pubmedcentral and read all the papers on evolution there.
farvision 3 years ago
I don't think they understand "Theistic Evolution" which only refers to a traditional Christian view of Genesis 1. God said "Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind... ect" (an indirect act of creation). God made man, a living creature made from the earth (Adam means "earthling"). Conscienceness and free will are what make us different and enable us to choose evil and rebel against God, and thus fall. We are born in a state of natural sin and death, and need a savior.
Seriousdudes 3 years ago
I'm sorry I don't think I understand. What exactly are you aying I don't know much about "Theistic Evolution" as opposed to creation. What are you suggesting?
parymich777 3 years ago
It's a huge thing to explain here, but "theistic evolution" is a vague term. Basically, science can explain the physical world, and none of its findings should threaten our concept of God or place in nature in the biblical sense. I would suggest u watch Francis Colins (Part 7) on my channel (His book the language of God is good on this too), and also read "Orthodoxy and Creationism" by Andrey Kuraev (google it). Tim keller, Ravi Zacharias, William Craig Lane spoke and wrote on this also.
Seriousdudes 3 years ago
if it contradicts what the bible says, then I would have to disagree with it. I don't think there can be a cross between evolution and creation...
parymich777 3 years ago
I don't think it does. It is not a new interpretation of the Bible actually (Augustine, Chrysostom and other church fathers held that view). Literal interpretation of Genesis is a modern stand (out of sync with Semitic religious written genre) and a reaction to the challenges of Atheism (it also sadly sustains it). I just thought I'd share that with you, but if you're uncomfortable with it I understand. May God enlighten our way to better understand his works and love. Peace ;)
Seriousdudes 3 years ago
It must be noted that Augustines view would not support evolution, in any event, he is just a man interpreting. Regarding Semetic Lit., I agree and disagree. The 2 accounts are using contrast to say something more then the literal words, but to say that it was not interpreted as a historical narrative, is problematic, because it was. If Orthodox Jews admit this (they do), why are Christians so afraid to?
everythingindie 3 years ago
Ie, Augustine wasn't against Adam and Eve, he was against Gen. being interpreted that God's footsteps were literally heard in the Garden, and he was against sections of scripture talking about God's eyes, nose, hand, etc. being interpreted literally.
everythingindie 3 years ago
I have an excerpt of a lecture called "Adam and Death in Genesis." It would answer ur question better than I can.
Of course, any believer in God as creator, regardless of how He made the material world, is a creationist. Genesis 1 and 2 are born from ancient Semitic poetic oral traditions, and should not be read as histories in the modern sense. Once in writing, then translated, then handed down, then spread outside its literary and cultural context, only the literal understanding survives.
Seriousdudes 3 years ago
That is a nice argument, but I come from a Jewish backround, I read Hebrew and I studied with Heredim. To say it is not histories in the modern sense is a decieving statement, history is history or it not history. I have yet to find someone of that view who could discuss this in Hebrew (and I went to a Liberal Seminary). To be sure it is written like a creed or poem denouncing idols, but please see my responce about what Augustine said about such things, he would not have endorced Evolution.
everythingindie 3 years ago
Funny you should say that because I come from an Aramaic background and went to a seminary too.
History requires eyewitness accounts and sources. The sources for Genesis 1 and 2 are Babylonian and Phoenician myths, although the stories are altered to reflect new theology.
Adam (Heb for Man=anthropos) can be a generic human being: "In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam" (Gn 5:1-2).
Seriousdudes 3 years ago
Aramit?! Okay, I'll watch the vids. and you have possibly gained yourself a sub. Now, an unrelated and giddy question:), you come from a backround of spoken Aramaic? I am trying to get a differnt understanding from school and hopeing for a fresher view then a textbook view..can you recommend anything? Sorry if this appears like a dumb/unrefined question, I am less educated in Aramit then Ivrit ve'yavanit, yiddishkiet, etc. todah rabba ve kol hakavod!:)
everythingindie 3 years ago
Of course, Aramaic is no longer widely spoken. It is used mostly in Syrian Orthodox churches and in some ramaining small communities in Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon. I've done my MA thesis on this language, but I can't say I'm an expert in it. Paul Tarazi, himself a Lebanese Christian, is a scholar who specialized in the Old Testament and Semitic languages and traditions. Arabic replaced it today, but even this rather new Semitic language branched out of Aramaic linguistic roots and traditions.
Seriousdudes 3 years ago
God's word > Evolution
"And God *SAID*, Let there be
light: and *there was* light."
Simple ^_^
crossclinger 3 years ago
yes
our god is so awesome
he made the universe in the dark
or the fact that a entety that exists outside time creating something or having action / creating time is a fallacy in itself
its like drawing a line and making a dot without picking up the pencil in the middle
queerchs 3 years ago
Much of medical science is based on evolution. Evolution is supported by all of the scientific disciplines. Have you seen DonExodus2 chanel? He has a series called "Proof of Evolution" and it is fascinating. He is a Christian and embraces science, so if you took a look at the actual evidence for evolution it is eyeopening. Either evolution is true or God is making it look like that is what happened. I learnt about "Atavisms" - throwbacks & summation (all the lines of evidence that match).
midas41 3 years ago
Hi Pary, Hope all is well - this is my take and is not meant to be offensive. I think the bible says that Jesus saved us from the wrath of his father who was very angry about stolen fruit & disobedience by his original creations. The part that is confusing though is if it is the father, the son and the holy ghost triune eg. one entity then why did he torture and kill himself to forgive us. I find the story doesn't make sense and blood sacrifice sounds like a very ancient cultish bad idea.
midas41 3 years ago
I don't know if you are in wester Canada or not, but if you are, take a trip to the Royal Tyrrell Museum. Rather than asking a bunch of Christians or Atheist try talking to a few or all or the PHds there the hard questions. They are the people that can really explain evolution, and give you great hands on examples.
archraw 3 years ago
"Theistic evolution says death reigned before man evolved"
Not sure if I got the quote correct, just typing it out of memory. Where is that quote from? I am not trying to argue with you just interested if that is something written or if that is your opinion. I am not a theistic evolutionist nor a Christian nor an Atheist, just interested.
archraw 3 years ago
"...before man's sin, there was no death."
No it doesn't. That's evangelical tripe that wasn't found anywhere in Christian theology until the last couple centuries.
Death in the Bible frequently refers to separation from God; for example in Genesis 2:17 ...in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. If this was referring to literal death, God was lying, because Adam lived.
Jesus saved us from OUR sins. You know, the only sins we are actually guilty of?
Hooya2 3 years ago
why would somebody want tob known as being a globof gloop anyway it makes em look stupd
Eijhfrd 3 years ago
jesus saved me from sin
Eijhfrd 3 years ago
Excellent VIDEO!!!!
thevinerhyme 3 years ago
The story of our beginning is told in Genesis, there is more in that book about our past that answers questions than could be imagined, it just needs to be studied in depth.
pelagic6 3 years ago
What IS so logical about evolution anyways?
It's ALL about chance, and blind luck! Neither having anything with science.
And gloop magically transforming into something as complex as the human brain? Not to mention the entire human body!
And then I'm called an idiot because I don't believe the universe, and all it's complexities came from a few mere gases!
That magically where created out of nothing, BTW.
"Order never comes from chaos, unless someone puts it together."- Mark Lowry
masumi5 3 years ago
haha amen masumi (and Mark Lowry is great!!) :P
GB
parymich777 3 years ago
Ugh, if ppl would just read the Bible they'd know evolution, and creationism aren't compatable.
God NEVER changes. Malachi 3:6
And God created Man in HIS image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:27
I don't God is a monkey. And if He is, we never would have changed, since we're made in His image, and He NEVER changes.
masumi5 3 years ago
"I don't God is a monkey."
Whoops, meant 'I don't think God is a monkey'. ^_^"
masumi5 3 years ago
We have evolved but god hasn't changed. I now know why god never answered prayers when I was a Christian... I didn't offer him a banana! - lol
Godlesscod 3 years ago
Perhaps because you're smug?
God answers my prayers all the time. He even answered a big one today- My friend doesn't hate me anymore!!!!!
I still don't think gloop transformed into our brains....
masumi5 3 years ago
LOL, gloop transformed into our brains....
Look at the complexities of the human body, no ACCIDENT could design that! And the perfect way the elements of the universe works together, to believe it came about as an accident is beyond me.
I don't really care for that phrase "we have evolved but God hasn't"
true God never changes, the bible says he is the same yesterday today and forever. But man hasn't changed either I don't think, we are still made in His image ;)
parymich777 3 years ago
....But accidents are logical, rational, and scientific....especially when they end up creating entire universes... ;_; lolz, jk!
I still don't get how we're the stupid ones. >>
Exactly! Yay, I'm not alone!
lolz, Christians just need to pick up a Bible, and read, and they'll find that it's evolution and creationism together is false.
masumi5 3 years ago
LOL exactly ;)
Thats why I love this video i think it's right on the mark, makes perfect sense to me!
parymich777 3 years ago
"....But accidents are logical, rational, and scientific....especially when they end up creating entire universes... ;_; lolz, jk!
I still don't get how we're the stupid ones. >>"
Because you're too stupid to grasp the concept that the laws of physics are not random.
Hooya2 3 years ago
and theres nothing random about Gods creation.
parymich777 3 years ago
"and theres nothing random about Gods creation."
There clearly are things that are random in the modern mathematical sense, but of course 'God' knows how these random events are going to play out. Thus, even if we're saying the universe evolved, that doesn't mean that God didn't make it, or that the universe didn't play out the way God wanted it to.
Hooya2 3 years ago
so you are compromising. Sorry but thats not something I am willing to do.
parymich777 3 years ago
"so you are compromising."
I'm not compromising; I'm an atheist. I'm just pointing out that your theological arguments are specious and inane, and have already been rebutted multiple times by Christian theologians.
Hooya2 3 years ago
You ditz, I'm saying that the laws of physics are random. Unless physics is now code for 'big bang theory'.
I didn't even use the word 'random' in those sentences.But, I guess you're too stupid to read.
masumi5 3 years ago
"You ditz, I'm saying that the laws of physics are random."
In that case, you ditz, your own argument backfires. Have you forgotten that God's attributes, if he exists, would have also been determined randomly? His omniscience, omnipotence, and omni-benevolence could just as easily have been ignorance, impotence, and omni-malevolence.
"...But accidents are logical...when they end up creating entire universes... ;_; lolz, jk!"
Or when they end up creating all-powerful Gods!
Hooya2 3 years ago
'God's attributes, if he exists, would have also been determined randomly?'
They weren't determined randomly. He told us; He wrote the Bible(we grabbed pens and wrote it down, that's about it)
Soooo....how again does my argument backfire?
Or when they create entire universes from 4(I think; could be more) simple gases(which, BTW, created themselves 8D)!
masumi5 3 years ago
"They weren't determined randomly. He told us..."
It's obvious you don't understand what I'm saying. Why does God have those attributes? I'm not asking why you believe in a God with those attributes; I'm asking why he has them. Obviously, nothing greater gave them to him, and he couldn't have given them to himself. Therefore, you have to conclude that God's attributes are random, just like the laws of physics in my worldview.
Hooya2 3 years ago
Hey, wait a second, when did I even use the word 'random' in any of my comments?
God has existed for all eternity. No one gave Him those attributes, He's always had them!
And since when did physics become evolution, and the BBT?
masumi5 3 years ago
"...when did I even use the word 'random' in any of my comments?"
You didn't; you used the term 'accident' which implies randomness.
"God has existed for all eternity."
The laws of physics existed for all eternity, and gave rise to the universe. However, they're random; they could just as easily have been inimical to life. God, in your delusion, replaces the laws of physics, but he's still subject to the same foundational randomness. He could just as easily have had other traits.
Hooya2 3 years ago
How would you know if physics existed with out a universe? How could it exist without matter?
How does God replace physics?
"Physics, in everyday terms, is the science of matter and its motion; the science that deals with concepts such as force, energy, mass, and charge for example."
What does physics have to do with evolution!?
And no, God doesn't replace matter and it's motion. No idea where you got that.
masumi5 3 years ago
"Physics, in everyday terms, is the science of matter and its motion..."
Today, physics also usually deals with the structure of time and the universe (relativity, for example). In other words, the laws of physics are the underlying rules which the universe follows.
"What does physics have to do with evolution!?"
Nothing, but it does have a lot to do with 'creating entire universes' which is what this discussion is about. Pay attention!
Hooya2 3 years ago
"...God doesn't replace matter and it's motion."
I feel that you're being deliberately obtuse. In your delusion, God is the underlying cause of the universe; in reality, it's the laws of physics that govern time and space down to a quantum level. You said the laws themselves were random; I agreed, but added that by that definition God's characteristics are also random.
Do you need me to walk you through it again? Any more words you need defined? Or can you actually address the issue now?
Hooya2 3 years ago
In your delusion physics has now been replaced by evolution. And everyone is the descendent of gloop.
God created physics. So, obviously physics isn't random.
I said the BBT is random. Not the laws.
masumi5 3 years ago
"...physics has now been replaced by evolution."
No, physics and evolution are totally different things.
"And everyone is the descendent of gloop."
Yes.
"God created physics. So, obviously physics isn't random."
But GOD IS in your delusion.
"I said the BBT is random. Not the laws."
I quote: "You ditz, I'm saying that the laws of physics are random." No wonder you can't make a lucid argument, you have the memory of a goldfish!
Hooya2 3 years ago
"no ACCIDENT could design" ... time to learn what the actual theory is as opposed to your made up straw man ...
farvision 3 years ago
remind you, a theory is just that, a theory. Not truth. And the truth is, that no accident could create the design we see in the earth today, even atheists have admitted such.
parymich777 3 years ago
Please use the word 'theory' in its scientific sense. Please go and do a lot of reading about evolution, you clearly have not got a clue.
farvision 3 years ago
The Bible isn't entirely wrong. About 99.99999999999999999% of it is... I joke I joke!...about 98% of The Bible is wrong.
But seriously though, who says that The Bible has to be completely wrong or completely right?
Justinfh2point0 3 years ago
I'm a theistic evolution guy myself, but Christianity is not about that as I"m sure you know Perry :). Its about being set free from the angst that all humans feel knowing that they are going to die and in the grand scheme of things their lives are feeble and meaningless, its about God coming in your life in the form of Christ and replacing that angst with meaning and indescriable joy.
Divinecovenant0012 3 years ago
Its about spreading His message. And if we cannot agree as christians on the most basic of what the bible explains to us, how are we expected to know God deeper, and what other falsehoods are we so succeptible to then?
parymich777 3 years ago
You can't agree on the bible because it is inconsistent. That's why there are thousands of versions if Christianity - it keeps speciating an mutating. The successful ones survive, the others die ...
You can't know god more deeply because it doesn't exist.
farvision 3 years ago
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bogart12 3 years ago
bogart12, watch all of the videos of klomckin
HOWEVER if you start with a closed mind you will warp all facts to fit your view. I suspect that you are already doomed this way. Good luck breaking out of your delusional slavery!
farvision 3 years ago
Yes, the Bible is wrong. If pagans, or anyone else for that matter, went around saying that death was introduced when thus-and-so happened, they would also be wrong.
noJungleKiss 3 years ago
death existed alongside sin, the two go hand in hand. Common sense says that if Jesus saved us from sin and death, then theistic evolution is wrong anf the word of God stands. Those who wish to argue the validity of the bible this is not meant for, rather it is meant for those so called "creationist-evolutionists" that like to twist scripture to suit their own thinking rather than follow what God says.
parymich777 3 years ago
Yes, the Bible is wrong. Why does it matter to some people? The Iliad is also wrong.
Desertphile 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this! God bless you! ;)
Tonloc1986 3 years ago
"Many fine Christians believe that God created the world through evolution, but...is that Biblically tenable?" Who cares?
Kailoa36 3 years ago
God cares.
parymich777 3 years ago
Why are you telling the gods what to do?
Desertphile 3 years ago
Only people who worship paper gods care.
Desertphile 3 years ago
not ujust a paper god, he is the one and Only God, and He cares even when we don't seem to.
parymich777 3 years ago
Excellent video!
sablechicken 3 years ago