“the death of johnny cochran GOD had to do it,he would have had sex with all the girls in the country, Remember politicians and deputys and f.bi.and c.i.a. think they have a license to kill, and lie on there reports like the B.T.K. police and reporters do !!!"”
Read 'PURSUIT OF EXHIBIT 35 in the OJ Simpson Murder Trial" or view the film documentary "SERPENTS RISING: An Independent Investigation of the OJ Simpson Murder Trial" both at amazon dot com. You will see how Simpson's CA lawyers, cooperated with the LADA's office and LAPD to conceal evidence favoring OJ Simpson's innocence, the hidden and elusive "Exhibit 35".
Johnnie Cochran came on the "Dream Team" later, did he join for more sinister reasons? Maybe his interest in securing the release of his incarcerated hero Elmer "Geronimo" Pratt after 29 yrs was more important to him than the Simpson case. Though the Simpson case would give JC evidence to potentially disclose a complete government orchestrated malfeasance and cover up if they didn't release "Geronimo". We know he succeeded in securing Geronimo Pratt's release. Read "PURSUIT OF EXHIBIT 35".
LIVE A--- OJ GREATEST OF ALL TIMES AS DA CHAMP SAYS VEGAS TAPE OJ WAS VERY VERY VERY LIVE YOU TRYIN TAKE MY S-- AND SELL IT ALL YALL UP IN HERE OJ SAID VEGAS
@anaaamarcos Click the blue hyperlink above which will take you to amazon dot com and then from the pull down button got to Instant Videos and then type in Serpents Rising. You can watch it online or buy the DVD, it's up to you.
HA HA, happy near DECAPITATION Day. It serves that cunt Nicole right for marrying a black. If she listened to a "Racist" like me she would still be alive. She must have hated her father. Oh well, Good Riddance. May she and OJ rot in hell.
Yea thanks for the spelling lesson but this is youtube and not an exam! also this is England and we over here dont give a fukk about your fukked up murders so save all that Casey Anthony shit for someone who gives a crap.I think ull find that crack isnt that bigger deal over here so please dont assume the UK is fukked up nigger pitt like America. Stay in that shit hole called Tuvalu and write to me some more.I have a job and i need to pay taxes so people like you can get treatment for drug abuse
@Englandsbestlover Your snaggle toothed anorexic mama is the only tramp needing treatment for abusing drugs trying to bring a nothing ass ignorant Neanderthal MF like you in the world. She should have aborted your worthless ass then, it would've been nothing lost, or nothing gained. You should be glad this is not an exam, you NO SPELLING BABOON, or else we'd be hear all day laughing at your dumb ass. Just as I figured, another racist dummy that doesn't no a damn thing about the Simpson case.
1st...You should be glad this is not an exam, you NO SPELLING BABOON, or else we'd be hear all day laughing at your dumb ass. Oh dear oh dear oh dear. I believe its spelt "here" And 2nd...Just as I figured, another racist dummy that doesn't no a damn thing about the Simpson case. I think "i know" its spelt...yep you guest it........"know" which one of us needs to go back to school. Youve just had your arse handed to you on a plate nigga!!!
@Englandsbestlover Oh tishtish, you're right! I really did F***up and showed that I was just as ignorant as your dumb racist cracker ass, what a pity. I had the lead on your cave dwelling ass for a moment, now I guess I've got to crawl into that putrid hole with your rotten ass. I guess being in a hurry doesn't pay when trying to put one of you racist fake ass British retards in his place. You definitely know your words, cousin. Please accept my deepest apology, you low life peck-a-wood MF!
@brotherap: lol i love it when you call me a racist and a cracker at the same time :-) I accept your apology as you didnt no any better...i mean know :-)
@Englandsbestlover Glad my apology is accepted but you're (NOT YOUR) still an ignorant MF, believe that. I knew you liked that kind of stuff, you low life masochistic SOB! You probably like a good golden shower from one of those snaggle toothed whores who has downed a keg of that Guinness Stout your big time spending ass has sprung for her or him. Learn this, OJ Simpson was framed, our (OMIG's) evidence indicates he was in the backseat of a limo at 11PM while his wife talked on the phone.
@brotherap: Hmmm Guinness is irish you prick, you should of said tea or bovril. Why is it you think im the bad guy here, you were the one giving me insults first :-( and i think ull find OJ did infact murder those 2 people...limo or not. besides i think youll find theres plenty of evidence to show he did kill them. You think hes innocent because hes a coon, i kow hes guilty because of the proof. Id never even heard of him until the murders
@Englandsbestlover "Hmm Guinness is irish you prick, you should of said tea or bovril"
I know a low life MF like you cares not what guys or gals piss down your face and head. Guiness or Boll Weevil or whatever that s*** is, MFs like you aren't particular about the joy they get lying under a golden shower. You're a know nothing c***sucker, that's what makes you "the bad guy". You know only what greedy, no due diligence doing, tabloid media fed you. See our documentary above then let's talk.
I'll bet he's got your funky ass buck tooth retarded mama down there sucking his cock, while he's got your peg leg grand mammy hobbling back and forth serving ice cold lemonade. Viva la Johnnie, all you sorry as MF!!! And read the book Pursuit of Exhibit 35 in the OJ Simpson Trial and learn something.
@brotherap: Only niggers think OJ is innocent because your all too dumb to know anything about the law, thats why all you nigger break the law on a daily basis and bitch when ur thrown in jail and then have the nerve to claim is coz ur a wog! its just that your scum
@Englandsbestlover Only fucked up white MFs think Casey Anthony's innocent, (It's you're, not your, and nigger(s) with an S, you dumb ignorant cave dwelling SOB. You all are too dumb, meaning you nasty stinking no bathing peck-a-wood MFs, to know anything about the law. That's why they've changed the crack law to make room in the pen for all you ignorant nasty ass meth using worms. All of that other silly honkey ebonic bs "is coz ur a wog" speaks to who & what you are; a dumb ignorant ass MF.LOL
HA HA, happy near DECAPITATION Day. It serves that cunt Nicole right for marrying a black. If she listened to a "Racist" like me she would still be alive. She must have hated her father. Oh well, Good Riddance. May she and OJ rot in hell.
Jury: NINE blacks, TWO whites, and ONE hispanic. LMFAO
Some other facts about the final jury: (1) None regularly read a newspaper, but eight regularly watch tabloid TV shows, (2) five thought it was sometimes appropriate to use force on a family member, (3) all were Democrats, (4) five reported that they or another family member had had a negative experience with the police, (5) nine thought that Simpson was less likely to be a murderer because he was a professional athlete.
@giggedy4goo You dumb ass, covert racist MF, analyze what's being said in the clip. We don't give a damn about your covert racist views about the jury's assets or lack thereof. This jury's intellectual level is no different than all of the white hanging juries in the U.S. All of you crazy MF's in the U.S. rarely read a book, most of you get your info from FOX NEWS, so don't waste our time with your concealed racial hatred. The cover up is associated with hidden exculpatory phone records.
@brotherap brorap waxing eloquent. Look, racism is a huge issue, much bigger than the media tries to portray it. If you believe that a jury with eight black women wasn't a factor, you are even more of an idiot than you show yourself to be in your comments. It's sad that blacks really believe Johnny Cochran is some kind of hero when his arguments were like grade school rymes. Da glove don't fit, you must acquit, lickedy split, on the high tip. It worked with the morons on THAT jury.
@giggedy4goo Here we go again! Another dumb ignorant CS, just made for the honkeys that put this BS trial of the century in motion so ignorant asses like you can talk subjectively with round-about racist BS that has no relevance to what took place here. This clip is very relevant, have you even looked at it, examined it, critiqued what has taken place before your eyes without you knowing it. The answer seems to be NO! You're satisfied to engage me in racist BS that is much to do about nothing.
Start with this youtube clip first, "OJ Simpson: Hidden Phone Records" then come back to this clip and analyze it, maybe you'll understand why we posted it. Be conscious of where you're at, we've got little time to waste with amateur MFs still sucking on their momma's titty when we were investigating these CSs and their concealment. We're OMIG, MF! You want to debate you'd better know more than that phony subjective BS about 8 black women jurors.
@brotherap "phony subjective BS about 8 black women jurors"........you are one sad MF bro. Have you listened to them? Barely 3rd grade level intelligence. Cashing in on books. Pathetic. Maybe they sound like geniuses to you though.
Don't worry, noone thought you would understand english anyway. Wherever you is at, you be one lost MF. You really believe he was innocent? Even the biggest idiot blacks know he did it but are just happy a black person got away with murdering a white person.
@giggedy4goo First of all, you're just another ignorant TV watching trailer park peck-a-wood. Based upon your stated age you were a stupid ass 13 yr old punk kid trying to sniff some young girl's panties, GTFOH! These women gave very intelligent remarks at the end of the trial in '95. There's 239 books written about this subject, & 232 by know nothing white dumb ass MFs just like you. So what? I don't give a F*** about what you think you know tell us something you know for sure, simple ass MF!
It's time for many of you who've seen this clip to acquire the investigator's book "Pursuit of Exhibit 35 in the OJ Simpson Murder Trial and its Hidden Secrets" at amazon dot com books. His chapter on Johnnie Cochran going along with the phone record concealment to use as leverage to free his client imprisoned for 30 yrs Edgar "Geronimo" Pratt is truly fascinating. After Mandela was freed NGO prison watch organizations recognized Pratt as the longest political prisoner held. A must read!
@GREG7289 "Any white woman who marrys a black deserves her fate. May she rot in hell. "
I'm sure that a fine ass white woman who can find and marry a rich long dick black MF, doesn't give a fuck about what a whining cocktail weenie having MF like you thinks about rotting in hell, especially if the alternative is heavenly bliss with a broke ass butt sucking cocksucker like you.
FYI! brotherap, since you asked how long, the official word is that you have 8 more days to go before being unblocked! Hopefully, we won't have to revisit this issue again, ol buddy.
…you can judge for yourself: me: Exactly, the made up 11 PM call is very provocative because it closes the case out. And the more provocative something is the more book sales there will be. Brotherap: So what, at least 11 PM is more accurate …..” So by all means listen to what he says and buy his stuff. Because it should be obvious it is not done by a racist who is making things up and sensationalizing it for profit.
@copraiders1 You're not giving people enough credit because when Brother starts this- johnny, judge and prosecution cover up crap people automatically think he's some loon from some UFO convention. I have never thought it was about money. I really believe he believes this and has the right to make money/profit from it if he so chooses. Hey you never know you may be right he might just making this shit up to make a buck. There's all kinds in this world.
@88jmct I have no doubt. The part about making things more provocative did it for me. If he was really about spreading his "truth" he would state he would give the books out for the mere cost of shipping and printing with no profit. This is all about money and getting his little "detective" agency to expand. He admitted that too.
@88jmct You're not giving people enough credit because people automatically think he's some loon from some UFO convention.
You might think in terms of that UFO madness, since you don't think before running your mouth, as you did when falsely identifying the man you presumed found the dog & bodies at 11PM. But of course, people like you never see anyone like yourself as being Looney. It takes ol' brotherap to expose how mentally stagnant your condition is & how freaking Looney you truly are.
@brotherap Big deal so I was mistaken. If I was lonely I would believe Simpson was innocent regardless of all the evidence against him. Now that's looney!
@88jmct Big deal so I was mistaken. If I was lonely I would believe Simpson was innocent regardless of all the evidence against him. Now that's looney!
No, fool, it is a big deal. As are the other big deals that you simply want to gloss over in your enthusiasm to be a part of a lynch mob. Incompetent cowards are what you are, afraid to admit that you can be wrong. But Keep f***ing with me, I'll help make you go crazy or do your homework. You'll be a loony bird or set free from ignorance.
@brotherap I was mistaken about the time the body was discovered not the time the bloody dog was discovered, because of that you to categorize me as being part of a lynch mob, that is flat out absurd. This case has nothing to do with lynching and ropes. You speak of GLOSSING over, that's all you do regarding the EVIDENCE against Simpson!
DO NOT BUY THESE PRODUCTS!!!! Here is what we have: Brotherap (an investigator for this organization) states that Nicole is on the phone at 11 PM yet later admits that there is not a record proving this (therefore how is this a fact?). We have brotherap admitting to being a racist toward whites (it is in a recorded dialog on one of the websites you can read and you may contact me if you would like to read it). And then to top it off we have this exchange which……
I watched the case, I know that the timeline works based on all the other evidence. I do not need to know where Juditha was at any time that night to know that OJ left blood leaving the scene of the murder and later had no idea how he got cut. Nothing anything in the phone records would disprove this. NOTHING!
You are the funniest person ever... So an estimated leave time of 8:30 to 8:45 put Juditha on the phone at 11pm? You make up some crazy stuff. You lie through your teeth and make estimates of time that help keep this a issue when it is not. You need help for all your lies.
@mjmitch33 You lie through your teeth and make estimates of time that help keep this a issue when it is not.
I don't keep anything an issue, you do that. I've said what has been uncovered by OMIG, your problem is that you're not hearing it from CNN or LAPD or LADA or FOX News, or probably the National Enquirer. However, because you haven't heard it from your favorite source does not mean that it is not true. If you ignore it, it might go away; then you could pretend it doesn't exist.
@mjmitch33 So an estimated leave time of 8:30 to 8:45 put Juditha on the phone at 11pm?
Don't leave out 9:00! All three were times that Mezzaluna employees offered on the record. However, not one of those departure times would have allowed an arrival traveling from Brentwood to Dana PT by 9:37 PM in the year 1994.
lol That isn't what you have. That is what you wish you had. What we have is a phone call from the Brown house to Mezzaluna before 10 and two dad people killed by the owner of one of the rarest DNA profiles on record at 1 in 57billion. What you have is a guilty brother in jail until he dies of a heart attack or a person willing to end this madness by beating him to death. I hope it is caught on video.
@mjmitch33 "What we have is a phone call from the Brown house to Mezzaluna before 10"
You don't have that at all! There's nothing in the public file whatsoever that affirms your allegation. What should be there has been removed by a surreptitious court order to remove all exhibits in the Simpson trial from the Court. All you have is a stipulation of lawyers agreeing to a call before 10 PM which no juror or public has seen. Again, we (OMIG) do not accept nor allow a PRIVILEGE OF PRESUMPTION.
@brotherap what about the exhibit that shows the phone calls. The one the defense allowed into evidence that backed the phone records information and matched what the stipulation was for. Not enough proof for you?
@mjmitch33 What about the exhibit that shows the phone calls. The one the defense allowed into evidence that backed the phone records information and matched what the stipulation was for. Not enough proof for you?
Well, I tried to show it to you & allow you to judge for yourself, since the DDA under pressure was finally forced to send it to OMIG. The majority of call lines on the document were illegible as we had predicted when OMIG first asked Mr. Brown to allow it to come straight from GTE.
@brotherap again no one will believe you, you are a hopeless moron trying to profit off a gruesome murder of two innocent people. If you have it it is tainted more than OJ's glove demonstration.
@mjmitch33 again no one will believe you, you are a hopeless moron trying to profit off a gruesome murder of two innocent people. If you have it it is tainted more than OJ's glove demonstration.
You're definitely a madman walking around in circles repeating himself. Call for the production of these records; that's what you need to do and stop BSing.
@mjmitch33 "We do not need to Duck we got your attorneys to agree..."
Well, it's no need to get bent out of shape by me repeating that we don't care if Simpson's attys agreed or not, what they agreed to painted themselves into a lying corner to attempt to defend the Browns impossible drive from Brentwood to Dana Point between 8:45 & 9:37 PM, & that's a virtual impossibility. Absconding with the records with secret court order from the Simpson case file is no help for the D.A.s office either.
@brotherap The time the left was backed by nothing and was purely an estimate. The 9:37 was the call to Mezzaluna... And again, hard facts tell us that they were at home by the phone records that were shown to Johnny. If you want to see them it is just to try to promote more money making scams and to again profit from your looney tunes reports. Case os over,OJ is in jail and you need to find a way to make money on your own and not off the blood of the victims.
@mjmitch33 "Johnnie", seems to be you folks only salvation for this fraud. Unfortunately he's caught up in concealing the records himself by his own admission. The stench of this cover up is not going to go away until GTE/Verizon produces the records to put this to rest. As it stands, we have OJ Simpson in the backseat of a limousine to LAX at 11PM while wife Nicole was alive & well talking on the phone to her mother as supported by CALTrans I-405 data & etc. You'd best CALL FOR THE RECORDS!
Their plan was to play on two sides of the jury's life history. The racism portion and the uneducated portion. Luckily with this jury they had a combination of both. DNA evidence will always be something you can argue is not 100% however when you add,the glove,the shoes,the hair,the fiber,the past violence,the suicide note,the apology and the training... no doubt in my mind OJ is a liar,a murderer, a abuser and a retard.
@mjmitch33 "however when you add,the glove,the shoes,the hair,the fiber,the past violence,the suicide note,the apology and the training... no doubt in my mind OJ is a liar,a murderer, a abuser and a retard."
JUST CALL FOR THE PRODUCTION OF THE RECORDS, THEN IF THEY SAY WHAT YOU BELIEVE THEN YOU HAVE A BASIS FOR YOUR ABOVE ARGUMENT. DUCKING THAT ISSUE DOESN'T MAKE YOU PEOPLE LOOK GOOD AND AS LONG AS OMIG IS AROUND IT IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GO AWAY, NO MATTER HOW MUCH DIRT THEY TRY TO THROW.
Oh yeah, the entire plan was to murder Nicole,get the case on Court Tv to persecute OJ. You are so brainwashed you may actually believe that but not those living in the real world. DNA stat analysis was consistent with the numbers they had at the time. They have hardly changed over the last 10 years. The argument that it was contaminated is a joke (like you). The argument that the blood was planted is absolutely impossible and arguing both only shows that they did not have proof of anything
@mjmitch33 It's ironic you mention CourtTV, since I read that the founder attributed the Simpson trial for keeping him from Ch. 7 bankruptcy, and giving it life. Simpson seems to be the gift that keeps on giving as long as he's got you haters out here. Be that as it may, you would've been a stooge on the jury that fatigue would've undoubtedly worn down after being convinced there was too much sloppy conduct & handling of DNA to sentence a defendant to life w/o parole. You wouldn't hold out.
@brotherap You guys keep going back to the sloppy handling of the blood but you continue to avoid the fact that the prosecution was never given any blood that was not treated with EDTA, only one tube was drawn so if blood was missing and had EDTA the blood found at the scene would have to be from one person... OJ.
! in 170000000 or 1 in 1.2 billion... those odds or any other odd is impossible to overcome considering the other evidence.. bllod,gloves,shoes,hair,fiber... again no doubt guilty!
@mjmitch33 "You guys keep going back to the sloppy handling of the blood"
My words were "too much sloppy conduct & handling of DNA". Your reckless invention of what you allege others said is the biggest liability you have. Either one must assume that you are doing it intentionally or you are just a feeble minded person. Whichever is the case certainly justifies why you were vulnerable to slick lawyers pulling your cap down over your eyes. The DNA calculations were admittedly overblown.
Wrong again, it was the Menendez brothers! They paid for their crimes though, unlike Simpson. No, most people would've seen right through the race card playing lying scum Johnny Cochran, therefore they would of been so sickened they couldn't of possibly felt fatigued.
That is what you got the jury to believe because like you their understanding of DNA was that of a 3 year old. Only people that are willing to buy that edta theory and throw all the blood away were racist maggots that would have never convicted your HERO to begin with. Life isn't that simple for the real world... Although you need it to be...
@mjmitch33 "Life isn't that simple for the real world...Although you need it to be"
I'm dealing with your simple ass aren't I? Those people understood DNA as well as any of the rest of you pseudo intellectual retarded ass fools in this nation. When the Defense tore into the sloppy handling, phony DNA stat analysis, game over. A trial calls for only a seed of reasonable doubt. This case was an orchestrated conspiracy to create animus using race to injure the dignity of whites; no more no less
That is how it works, you have to prove your facts are true on your own. So far you have not done so. Traffic was too heavy to make that call by 9:37... travel time confirmed by others to be very possible on a Sunday night.
Jason killed her... he was on the clock at that time at work and then with his girlfriend... You were wrong again...
Blood contains EDTA, nope just elements found in EDTA, on a couple items, not even at the levels it would need to be to be preserved blood.. wrong again. lol
@mjmitch33 I have no idea to whom you are talking but that's par for the course. I've ventured no thoughts on Jason Simpson at all to my memory, if so prove it. Secondly no one but your angry delusional mind has convinced you that a Sunday drive was possible in a 45-60 minute time window between Brentwood & Dana PT in 1994, if it was prove it by mapquest. EDTA, at a crime site is like discovering s***at a dinner table & when revealed you want to convince everyone the rest of the menu is OK.
Nope, Would not be surprised anything you gave me looked corrupt. It is your only way to avoid the obvious guilt of OJ. You wouldn't send me anything that proved him guilty like the blood matches or photos with him in the gloves that did not fit lol
How about them ugly shoes and the cut...your a joke and anything you say I can ignore just as you did to Furhman. Because you are just that Mark Furhman!
@mjmitch33 "Would not be surprised anything you gave me looked corrupt."
Coward ass! I was simply going to allow you to see what these pathetic MFs tried to pass off as being legitimate and sent to our OMIG investigators. Sounds like a double standard to me. Anything we give you is taken with suspicion but we're public enemy number one when we refuse to accept something that appears corrupt from an L.A. County official's personal storage locker???
Oh so now the fonts were changed and Johnny was part of the corruption. You guys are so funny, You are not a real organization you are a terrorist organization out to defame and irritate any situation to get attention. Someone didn't hug you enough as a child.. No doubt in my mind the most corrupt thing I have dealt with over my 40+ years is your crooked self.
@mjmitch33 "Oh so now the fonts were changed and Johnny was part of the corruption."
Since you're talking & assuming a pile of BS you know little about, I could give you a link to let you see a copy of the Ex. 35 phone records that we warned them against sending to OMIG & I'll bet you that you can't identify HALF the correct times on the call lines starting with Lines: 15, 12, 11, 16, 10, 07, 06, 02, 01. I think you'll say you've never seen a phone bill come to your house in such condition.
phone records were available, they matched the exhibit... The exhibit was shown to the jury. You do not seem upset that the pictures Johnny was trying to hide.. You know the victims of OJ's violence that almost beheaded the mother of his children.. I guess that was ok right?
@mjmitch33 "You do not seem upset that Johnny was trying to hide.. You know the victims of OJ's violence that almost beheaded the mother of his children.. I guess that was ok right"
You're a bigger damn fool than I thought if you believe that. I'm the one telling your dumb ass that the murder photographs were horrendous & prejudicial. That is why it is out of place for Cochran to be pleading with the judge not to show the photos because the court didn't show the jury the phone records.
@mjmitch33 "phone records were available, they matched the exhibit."
Based on the document they finally offered in late '99 to make all of this pressure go away, it appeared from the mismatched irregular font sizes, unclarity on the call lines, they certainly graphically manufactured something in haste that matched the time call lines on the exhibit. But it always was unacceptable to OMIG we want the record from the data bank of an unbiased 3rd party, GTE/Verizon Archive Dept. San Angelo,TX
no it says maybe the estimate of leaving time was off a little.. maybe they found a smooth lane of traffic.. We had the phone records and they showed that the calls fit the timeline.
@mjmitch33 "no it says maybe the estimate of leaving time was off a little.. maybe they found a smooth lane of traffic.We had the phone records and they showed that the calls fit the timeline."
You had nothing, MF! and neither did the jury, just a bunch of corrupt ass lawyers on both sides of the table acting while squabbling behind closed doors. Co-opting a weak ass CA superior court judge to go along with violating fundamental rules of common law to promote this racially charged trial.
Race war? Again the reason for me calling for his death is because of his actions not his color. Last time I will talk about race in this. If Oj was a white golfer I would be as angry. Because I was so involved in this case when it happened and that I had a friend that was killed in a similar fashion I am emotionally charged that he could walk free. As for the jury, Again about the evidence and the ignorance. If anyone can tell me how non edta treated blood next to foot prints isnt guilty...
I cannot assume Furhman moved the glove, I cannot assume Jason killed Nicole because he was a chef... I can assume that OJ being cut the night of his ex wifes murder and that his blood was found at the scene and that he owned gloves found at the scene that he then owes a explanation. No explanation he is guilty.
@mjmitch33 "and that his blood was found at the scene and that he owned gloves found at the scene that he then owes a explanation. No explanation he is guilty."
Well, we're giving him & you an explanation. If you want to go forward with these damning allegations then call for the production of the Juditha Brown phone records so that we can solve that mystery of whether OJ was in the backseat of a limo at 11 PM while his wife was still alive because presently I-405 data says no to a 9:37 call.
In my limited training--the two simplest ways to generate a time line, and proove a persons innocence or guilt was to draw the dna from under the fingernails of a 'victim' of murder/assualt--when there is a possibility the victim/s/ and assailant came into contact with one another. Use the phone records of all involved directly and indirectly to establish a firm timeline. For some reason the prosecution thought this was not the best way, rather ask a dirty cop-if he felt 'troubled' by the case.
@MJMITCH33---In conclusion of debating with you, I would like you to consider these two things as the most telling peices of evidence in the entire case, and why they where not are not and have not been introduced 'clearly' into evidence for all to see. Take into account my limited but actual law administration training..Where are the finger-nail clippings?(lost)yeah right, how convienent-and the full unedited phone record a week befor and a week after the murders. Good luck explaining them away
@bigjbzzl The stipulation of the phone records by both attorneys justifies the use of the exhibit of the phone records as fact in the timeline. A stipulation is something the jury must consider facts unarguable facts. If you do not believe the stipulation as fact you are thus ignoring the judge and should be nullified and the trial would need to be repeated.
Nail clippings missing does not prove OJ was not the killer. It only proves that more physical evidence could have been gained to convict.
@mjmitch33 --Too typical. I don't care that the defense & prosecution worked the phone records right out of the case. The fact remains the records and the nail clippings are the most telling of innocence or convincing of guilt, types of evidence you can have going into a trail--and both where not 'used'--for different reasons. "IT ONLY PROOVES THAT MORE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE COULD HAVE BEEN GAINED TO CONVICT OR _AQUIT_.(u left that word out of your argument) @ least pretend to be blind in justice.
The truth is a judge in a common law court is no greater than the jury. Had I been a juror I'd have stood & told the judge "your honor you are out of order". The judge knew the time was in prior dispute due to his lifting of Judge Powell's seal on the time in Aug. 1994 the initial dispute made it exclusively a question for the jury. Lawyers do not exceed the authority of a jury & are truthfully not a part of the structure of a common law court.
@brotherap Your right, a jury should be able to ignore both the judge and the lawyers. I mean they ignored the evidence also... lol Everyone involved in this case is not credible in your eyes and all the evidence is contaminated. So if we go through any case and ignore all witnesses and disregard credible evidence will we ever get a conviction... ever? We have to look at the world with impartiality and weigh the facts of the evidence. I cannot assume Vanatter planted blood without proof.
@mjmitch33 " A stipulation is something the jury must consider facts unarguable facts."
This is discussed at length in the new book out by T.H. Johnson, "Pursuit of Exhibit 35 in the OJ Simpson Murder Trial and its Hidden Secrets" at Amazon. He points out that the law in Calif. under Book of Approved Jury Instruction, CA BAJI 1.02, would allow lawyers to stipulate to Chicken Little's proclamation of the "Sky is Falling" & CA jurors would be obligated to accept it as being true in the trial.
@mjmitch33 Did it not produce the racial animus in this country that my remarks imply? You're simply a little clog in this massive machine, albeit when combined with millions of others so brainwashed, a significant clog. Racial animus was manipulated via a lazy news media who failed to do any meaningful due diligence & now are afraid of OMIG exposing their own embarrassing neglect. Don't take it personally you're but a wee wee little figure in this whole scheme and not the main antagonist.
You can make it out to be something racial if you like I cannot change your thoughts of me so I will not try. However my thoughts are purely scientific and life experience based. Please do not go into my white background. I am very experienced in the police matters and have lived both sides of this mess. However no one has answered with any scientific explanation on how OJ's blood could be found without him being a central figure in this attack. Multiply that with the other stuff... easy!
@mjmitch33 Did it not produce the racial animus in this country that my remarks imply? You're simply a little clog in this massive machine, albeit when combined with millions of others so brainwashed, a significant clog. Racial animus was manipulated via a lazy news media who failed to do any meaningful due diligence & now are afraid of OMIG exposing their own embarrassing neglect. Don't take it personally you're but a wee wee little figure in this whole scheme and not the main antagonist.
@brotherap Racism does not explain his blood, Racism does not create his blood, Racism did not plant his blood. He left his blood.. All the racism in the world will not change that. All the other crap you talk is just a deflection of one of many things that are unexplained by racism. Racism does not explain how he left his blood,it does not explain why he owned the gloves, it does not explain why he got a unexplainable cut. IT does not explain how he apologized. Just like the domestic violence.
@mjmitch33 I don't believe I have harped on racism as but only a potential factor underlying the wrong doing involved here. You need not become blinded by the word that it impairs your critical thinking elsewhere. This is a tragedy of corruption & malfeasance no matter who was the victim, even white, & if I or OMIG found the same irregularities we'd come to his/her aid as well Unfortunately none of what you offer is indictable anymore than a Det. carrying all the blood around in his pocket.
Respond to this video... If the domestic violence did not prove his guilt, neither should the racist Cop (only one on record) prove his innocence. Even if we remove the Fuhman evidence his Guilt is beyond a reasonable doubt. You should be thankful for the racist cop it may have been the only way for OJ to win over a jury in LA at that time.
All this crazy talk about Jason,phone bills and timeline does nothing to remove the blood and all the other evidence. In a perfect world I know that not that many items could have pointed to OJ. Not in a crime that happened over night and involved so many different people who all stick to the same story. I know that there is racism but for me to believe that everyone involved wanted a murderer to go free just to get OJ is too much. To many facts,to many mistakes made by OJ.
@mjmitch33 "but for me to believe that everyone involved wanted a murderer to go free just to get OJ is too much"
Only a myopic mind could come to such a conclusion; however, this affair produced the exact results so intended, there's always a usefulness in producing racial animus, especially for other sinister purposes. It is a by-product of this US culture that never spoils & whose shelf life requires no particular sophisticated preservation. To rid your anger you must call for the records!
It will never happen. Nothing in this case of any facts surrounding it will ever erase what most know. The blood,gloves,shoes,hair,fiber and past violence towards Nicole are all to damning to ever convince the educated public he was innocent. That will never happen. You will have to live with only the uneducated public being the ones you can convince that OJ was innocent. The people with a understanding of DNA know that he was involved in the struggle that night and won. His last win in life.
@mjmitch33 "to ever convince the educated public" "only the uneducated public"
That sounds suspiciously racist to me, code words used by angry whites to mask their bitterness. Educated for white & uneducated for people of color. That was the unfortunate tragedy of this sordid affair it appears that it was planned to create this malicious, hate filled, atmosphere. As far as the hidden evidence is concerned OMIG never says never! The're some decent white folk who want to see the records too.
@brotherap To explain that is simple. In order for a jury to be able to reach the search for truth and a true verdict they must be able to understand the science behind the evidence. We have facts in this case that if understood in this case are unexplainable by racism and contamination. Those are facts if you are educated enough to understand the science. It is that in which this jury failed. If they understood that racism cannot plant Blood matching OJ's overnight like it was catsup...guilty!
@mjmitch33 No jury whether white, black, red, brown or yellow is obligated to do anything other than determine in their own minds as to whether certain factors presented to them impact the evidence for any one of them to have reasonable doubt that prevents them from reaching a "UNANIMOUS" decision. Something as we all saw was wrong with how police lied about and handled evid. that I nor any other decent person would vote to convict to satisfy the blood lust of you, driven by the media.
He got off .. didn't he? He got off despite all the evidence. He got off despite leaving his blood at the scene and not even knowing how he cut his finger... that alone!
Those who believe the blood are not going to be swayed by a phone call. Those who do not believe the blood and DNA want to justify their stupidity with the rumors (not Fact) of a phone call. We are getting no where. You are arguing something both lawyers agreed to. I am arguing the jury did not understand the DNA. Science vs duh
@mjmitch33 "He got off .. didn't he? He got off despite all the evidence."
He certainly didn't get off in this court of public opinion that you're so captivated with. What kind of beast are you, to presume a man should be satisfied with acquittal in a "de jurie" court, only to be excoriated in this media bastardized court. If exculpatory evidence was manipulated then concealed it should be exposed. He has family members too that this sordid episode has effected; so let's CALL FOR THE RECORDS!
@brotherap I think he should be lucky that no one found him in public and beat him into a confession. I honestly figured by now someone would have corrected the juries mistake and tortured him into a confession. Lucky for him I am on the East coast! lol
@mjmitch33 "I think he should be lucky that no one found him in public and beat him into a confession. I honestly figured by now someone would have corrected the juries mistake and tortured him into a confession. Lucky for him I am on the East coast! lol"
Yeah! HaHaHa! You people keep playing with match sticks that place you on the verge of causing a race war in this nation & I think that your level of arrogance & sense of supremacy makes you even more ignorant to the consequences of such.
The 11 pm phone call was an estimate and again the phone records viewed by the defense as well as the exhibit showing the times not being objected to by the defense. There was plenty of time and resources to argue the call and a stipulation is not a demand by the prosecution it is a agreement on facts. Again this is hardly an issue in the case. The bigger issue is did the jury really understand the blood and DNA testimony. Even Scheck cannot explain the blood without edta... right?
@mjmitch33 "There was plenty of time and resources to argue the call and a stipulation is not a demand by the prosecution it is a agreement on facts. Again this is hardly an issue in the case"
I know that it's not an issue to angry white folk that thirst for the blood of a man of color. That's all that those who dismiss these crucial records as simply minimal little factors of no significant consequence appear to be hell bent on performing, a lynching. To be denied that pleasure offends them.
Your opinion, I think the jury can take that Johnny would have battled any and every option he thought he could win or even taint. It is not as if this would have changed anything. To get to a innocent judgment the jury obviously did not believe any of the blood evidence or the circumstantial evidence either. The combination of a police department that was viewed by many as being racist and the jury not fully understanding DNA is what got OJ off. That and the fear of violence after the trial.
@mjmitch33 It is not as if this would have changed anything.
This would've changed everything. If Simpson is in a Limo, then on an airplane 30 thousand feet above the ground while his wife was still alive at & after 11 PM, it exonerates OJ Simpson from committing murder & raises further questions of the problems CA continues to be plagued regarding judicial malfeasance & corruption. It could also allow white folks relief to rid themselves of a burden of hatred & anger. Call for the records.
@mjmitch33 "The combination of a police department that was viewed by many as being racist and the jury not fully understanding DNA is what got OJ off. That and the fear of violence after the trial."
White folk don't even understand DNA & neither do you! The DNA issue was argued & adequately rebutted to have been mishandled by amateurs dressed in CSI uniforms that even beyond the issue of concealed evidence blatantly contaminated the DNA evidence. Junk in Junk out!
No those times spell rumor and misinterpretation of the facts. The call never changed during the case. What happened after the case has no bearing and I respect the families wishes to keeping the phone bill personal. It was part of the evidence despite the uproar over the so called secrets kept from the jury. If we want to go back and add things to the trial maybe we should add OJ's conversation with police where he added he should be the one hurt and how he was so sorry to put the police out.
@mjmitch33 "The call never changed during the case."
The case began on June 13, 1994 officially at 12:19 AM when Fire Dept. EMTs pronounced the victims to be dead, and between their and the beginning of trial in January '95, the time of the call was offered and retracted at different times by different people several times; making the evidence exclusively a issue for the jury to decide instead of slick lawyers acting for their own pecuniary gain behind closed doors.
@mjmitch33 "If we want to go back and add things to the trial maybe we should add OJ's conversation with police where he added he should be the one hurt and how he was so sorry to put the police out."
That is neither condemning or exculpatory, unlike the issue of an 11 PM phone call. If Nicole was alive talking to her mother while Simpson entered a Limo to LAX that evid. would be exculpatory & would exonerate him from this human created purgatory.
As for the travel data, it really is proven wrong by the phone call. Travel data is so inconsistent I give it no weight. We know the time they Browns left was a estimate and the arrival time at home shows they were at home when they made the call.
@mjmitch33 "We know the time they Browns left was a estimate and the arrival time at home shows they were at home when they made the call."
ALL THE MORE REASON TO CALL FOR THE PRODUCTION OF THESE RECORDS, SINCE A MAN'S LIFE, AND MIND, HAS BEEN IRREPARABLY INJURED AS A RESULT OF SUCH QUESTIONABLE ESTIMATIONS.
@mjmitch33 As for the travel data, it really is proven wrong by the phone call.
I BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE OPPOSITE, THE THIRD PROFFERED TIME OF 9:37 PM IS PROVEN WRONG BY THE TRAFFIC DATA. THAT IS WHY YOU NEED TO JOIN US IN CALLING FOR A PRODUCTION OF THESE PHONE RECORDS FROM THE GTE (VERIZON) DATA BANK.
That would be a call for evidence after the fact. The times of the calls were consistent with the phone records none changed since the trial. There was confusion over the times in the early days because of estimates of calls made in the grand jury testimony. Once the phone records were brought into court the record and the calls have been on record. The rumor of change is just that rumors.
@mjmitch33 "The times of the calls were consistent with the phone records"
THE NEITHER JURY HAS EVER SEEN THEM TO AUTHENTICATE THAT.
NO ONE, OTHER THAN SQUABBLING LAWYERS, SAW THE RECORDS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
THE COURT MINUTE ORDERS SHOW NO INTRODUCTION OF THEM, & THE EXHIBIT DEPT. SHOWS WHAT PASSED FOR THEM TO HAVE BEEN SUSPICIOUSLY REMOVED BY SECRETIVE COURT ORDER.
"There was confusion over the times in the early days"
ENOUGH FOR IT TO FALLEN EXCLUSIVELY INTO THE DOMAIN OF THE JURY.
The evidence was on file. It has been sealed since to protect the phone numbers of uninvolved parties. During the civil trial the phone records were sealed but they were entered in at the time of the criminal trial and then not shown to the jurors with the numbers attached. The information was there but the format in which they were exhibited. The proof of the times of was given and agreed upon in court by both. Nothing was contested..
@mjmitch33 You have a loose interpretation of behavior relative to the phone records & see such as a non-dispute. For trial purposes, taken in terms of the numerous changes re: time of calls the changes alone create conflict, enough that the evid. should have gone to the jury. Further, the stipulation is in conflict with travel data for the I-405 on 06/12/94. The evid., if innocent, should be in the case file, it's not; that also signals trial corruption; a phony stipulation. Call for the evid.
@mjmitch33 "The evidence was on file. It has been sealed since to protect the phone numbers of uninvolved parties."
The seal was removed by Ito a month after it was placed in August 1994. Since the whole affair took place behind closed doors & the preliminary hearing ended on July 08, '94, no one new that the seal had been lifted but the time of the call still remained a media mystery until Shapiro's in-audible offer of 9:37 a few months later 02/07/95. See 11:00, 10:17, 9:37 spell conflict.
That is what the stipulation was.... an agreement that the details of the exhibit be stipulated as fact. Show me debate of them? Where are the facts contested?
The reason he talked about the phone records that day was because they were just finishing the agreement on the stipulation. Go read the transcripts again. You are running in circles. Facts are very clear, they stipulated on the times. Nothing is suspiscious accept for the fact the phone numbers on the actual bill were protected by the lawyers. Stipulations between the lawyers are assumed to be fact. Uncontested evidence. Fact!
@mjmitch33 I don't need to read anything again, I'm listening to the same transcript right here. The full version in the film of Cochran's 352 argument amounted to a long passionate plea, to the point of begging judge Ito. The intent of his remark is clear and makes a point of exceeding what is necessary " WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHOW THEM ANY OTHER EXHIBITS AT THIS POINT". His addition of not showing the phone records is a reminder that they carry the same prejudicial impact as the bloody photos..
@mjmitch33 "Stipulations between the lawyers are assumed to be fact. Uncontested evidence.Fact!"
Only when such facts are not in dispute or conflict, which these were 3 times over seven months & sealed by Judge Powell on July 08, 1994. Lawyers technically aren't a part of a Common Law Court, only a judge & jury. Thus, this CA. judge exceeded his discretion allowing lawyers to trespass into the domain of the "Trier of Fact" with this suspicious stipulation & no evidence on file to back it up.
Johnny's response... MR. COCHRAN: THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, YOUR HONOR. BOTH SIDES RESERVE THAT RIGHT TO OBJECT ON RELEVANCY AND THE FACT THAT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE PRIVACY OF THESE NUMBERS IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, AND FURTHER, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE MADE THESE PHONE CALLS OTHER THAN THE PARTIES INVOLVED. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT.
See he was there and agreed on it... Never would have if he deemed them incorrect.
@mjmitch33 Johnnie too.I WOULD ALSO OBJECT FURTHER, I DON'T THINK THE JURY NEEDS TO SEE THESE PHOTOGRAPHS AGAIN, THEY'VE SEEN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS BEFORE, I SEE NO REASON FOR THAT AT THIS POINT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHOW THEM ANY OF THE OTHER EXHIBITS AT THIS POINT. AND WE DIDN'T SHOW THEM, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHOW THEM ANYTHING IN REGARD TO THE TELEPHONE BILLS OR WHATEVER!!!
You see, given the fact that a deputy d.a. removed these records the above statement is an indication of malfeasance ..
you are talking about two different phone calls goofball. The first call of 9:37 was the call from the Brown home to the Mezzaluna the 10:17 call was the one from The browns to Nicole. Two different calls. However the fact is the Johnny was involved in the stipulation and did not complain at all about any of the times.
@mjmitch33 The first call of 9:37 was the call from the Brown home to the Mezzaluna the 10:17 call was the one from The browns to Nicole.
Even the phony Posterboard entiled Juditha Brown Phone Records does not show a 10:17 PM phone call in any of its timelines. What document are you citing your source from? Whether Johnnie participated in this fraud or not is of no concern to us, if he was alive, he'd have to account for his conduct but he's gone. Now those that are left must do so.
No this one was done between Marcia and Johnny... not Shapiro! You cannot have it both ways big guy. Johnny was in on it... he was not there Shapiro did it... lol
Pick an argument you clown you are arguing that the entire world framed this clown. Pick a bad guy they cannot all be at fault. Jeesh!
@mjmitch33 Listen fool! on July 8, 1994 Shapiro proffered a stipulation for your beloved 10:17 PM in Judge Powells chambers at noon. It was sealed until Marcia Clark could refresh her memory about records she gave to Shapiro on June 30, 94.
Feb. 07, '95 Shapiro in an inaudible voice proffered a new stipulation of 9:37 which was accepted by Clark & the jury admonished they must accept the stipulation as evidence.
July 06, '95 Marcia Clark proffered the 9:37, & 9:40 stipulation to Cochran.
@mjmitch33 I forgot to tell you that if you don't want to read the book "Pursuit of Exhibit 35" then I would suggest you contact L.A. County Court Reporter Arnella Sims and do as OMIG did in 1999 purchase a copy of the in-chambers transcript for July 08, '94. That's all I can offer your lazy clownish behind, since you seem mentally challenged in doing your own homework. Eating off their platter is simply going to confuse you even more; given your mental state you can probably least afford it.
the drive was times by many people at many times and they came up with anything from 66 minutes to 79 minutes.. both very close to the actual times by the Browns. Again talk what we know the call was done at... the murder was done at... and the dog was barking at... all work no matter what false statements you make.
Shapiro offered to stipulate that 10:17 p.m. was the actual time Juditha made the phone calls back to Brentwood the night Nicole was murdered, based upon a copy of the phone statements provided to Shapiro by Clark (“Preliminary Hearing in Judge Powell’s Chambers: Certified Transcript of Arnella Sims, Court Reporter - July 8, 1994”).
You are full of it show me.. they discussed this outside the courts and agreed on it in front of Ito! If you have proof there was an argument then post them. You do not it did not happen they looked at the records and then the exhibit and agreed to them
You are full of shit show me.. they discussed this outside the courts and agreed on it in front of Ito! If you have proof there was an argument then post them. You do not it did not happen they looked at the records and then the exhibit and agreed to them
@mjmitch33 If you have proof there was an argument then post them. Now it's best that you read the book above "Pursuit of Exhibit 35 in the OJ Simpson Murder Trial and its Hidden Secrets" and you'll find all of that which you are asking about and more.
Yes but they did this in front of the court, I read the transcripts and they came to the judge with the stipulation and it was not discussed in detail they just agreed on the stipulation. That is in the transcripts!
Just the opposite. If the actual records came out he had no way of arguing them later. By allowing the prosecution to build an exhibit of them he made it look as it there could have been something to hide. It was very intelligent but stipulating that the records were consistent with the exhibit the jury has to assume the information on the exhibit is fact. That is what a Stipulation is. He was on OJ's side and saying otherwise only shows how bad you have to make everyone else look to save OJ.
@mjmitch33 He was on OJ's side and saying otherwise only shows how bad you have to make everyone else look to save OJ.
Our statements on the subject are based upon field work, due diligence, and acquired evidence; something that many of you angry white folks haven't done. We've interviewed everyone of consequence that knows that highway and in spite of you clinging by your finger nails to the false belief that the Browns made that drive the evidence defies that premise.
They argued behind closed doors? I guess you were there? There was no argument they looked at the facts and stipulated the exhibit was showed what the report did except it had names instead of numbers. That was all the stipulation was. I do not let conjecture or word of mouth sway me if the facts do not match up. We know where Nicole was at 10:15 she was being beheaded by OJ, the dogs barking was confirmed by several neighbors and the phone records match that. You have nothing that can change it
@mjmitch33 "They argued behind closed doors? I guess you were there? "
Do you think the record is not kept when court goes into the judge's chambers? We know what went on behind closed doors regarding these phone records because we acquired the court transcripts taken behind closed doors in Judge Kathleen K. Powell's chambers on July 08, 1994, Dumb ass donkey!
I am buying the time spot because it again fits the physical evidence. Her call to the mezzaluna was on the phone records that all the lawyers viewed and stipulated to.
The defense did not lie and they are not part of the frame up. As much as I hate Johnny he would have killed this in court if they had any evidence that it was true. He was willing to turn anyone into the victim to free his client. Time line fits... GUILTY!
@mjmitch33 "I am buying the time spot because it again fits the physical evidence."
That bogus time fits what they wanted to feed you & with no due diligence performed by you that's all you have & seem satisfied with. They argued behind closed doors about the time even with phone record in hand, entered a phony stipulation & then secretly stole it from his case file. What you think or believe about Cochran is of no concern to us, the records are gone & we want them replaced by GTE/Verizon.
@mjmitch33 "Johnny he would have killed this in court if they had any evidence that it was true"
You're assuming Johnnie cared about Simpson or was concerned for what white folk would think about him. Based on this clip, he knew full well about these records, & it appears that he might have went along with concealing them to later use as leverage (or threat) in a more significant case than the Simpson case.
I repeat now, with even greater confidence, what I said before on this subject: "There is no contradiction that I can see with the evidence." The Browns could have left the Mezzaluna at 8:30 and yet Juditha could have made the phone call from Dana Point at 9:37. This says it is very possible!!!
@mjmitch33 "I repeat now, with even greater confidence, what I said before on this subject: "There is no contradiction that I can see with the evidence."
On that note I think people will have to consider the source of this proclamation, that it's you, mitch, who is extending this vote of confidence and that's like someone buying an all expense paid tourist bus ride through the safe mountain highways of Afghanistan.
I repeat now, with even greater confidence, what I said before on this subject: "There is no contradiction that I can see with the evidence." The Browns could have left the Mezzaluna at 8:30 and yet Juditha could have made the phone call from Dana Point at 9:37.
@mjmitch33 "There is no contradiction that I can see with the evidence." The Browns could have left the Mezzaluna at 8:30 and yet Juditha could have made the phone call from Dana Point at 9:37."
How? Only if carried by helicopter! Certainly not by driving on the night of 06/12/94 between 8 and 9 PM. The traffic data indicate a virtual slow moving parking lot on the southbound I-405 and so do eyewitnesses who remember the persistent end of weekend freeway conditions on the southbound I-405.
That is how Johnny worked. He put things in the trial hoping that the info got back to the jury via visits with family and such. In theory it does not matter what time they left and where she was when she called. We know Nicole was alive for the next call at 10:15 or so which was also on the record. The time line works,the dog barking,the missing OJ and the dead victims all point to the right time when OJ's vehicle was not at his residence and he appeared not long after. The time line works!
@mjmitch33 "In theory it does not matter what time they left and where she was when she called."
It matters very much, if Nicole was alive at 11PM when OJ was entering the backseat of a chauffeur driven Limo on its way to LAX. The evidence does not support the stipulation of a 9:37 initial call, & the phone records have been removed from his file. I no you're not trying to say the limo driver drove past Nicole's on the way to LAX airport so OJ could stop off and kill Nicole and Ron, are you?
Can you explain all the other so called coincidences? You know the gloves,the shoe prints, any blood without EDTA, hair probable match,injury to the finger, apologizing to the police, telling the officers that he is the only person that should be hurt? Any idea why all those things happened?
Johnny comparing telephone bills to pictures of the crime scene is crazy. If he was against the phone bills exhibits he should have not offered to stipulate to the charts that the prosecution used.
@mjmitch33 Can you explain all the other so called coincidences?
Gloves-Seen on TV didn't fit OJ's big hands!
Shoe Prints_Could have been made by 19 varieties other than Bruno Magli also the size 46/size12 show sole is 3/4 in. shorter than Simpson's foot.
Blood without EDTA-Could have been yours! There was no way to determine that blood came from a specific person in '94. Although the EDTA alone outside LAB creates suspicion.
@mjmitch33 Can you explain all the other so called coincidences?
Hair, blood, don't say anything specific and only served to agitate & provoke the fear of hate mongering white folk looking to lynch a person of color.
@mjmitch33 "Johnny comparing telephone bills to pictures of the crime scene is crazy."
Agreed! It's certainly out of place in a 352 argument re: to the potential prejudice of other horrendous evidence. It definitely lends to the suspicion as to why these records were removed from Simpson's case file. Based upon OMIG's evidence there is no conceivable way the Browns, unless carried by helicopter, in 94 would have arrived in Dana Pt. at 9:37 upon departing Brentwood between 8:30 and 9:00 PM.
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brotherap 1 day ago
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“the death of johnny cochran GOD had to do it,he would have had sex with all the girls in the country, Remember politicians and deputys and f.bi.and c.i.a. think they have a license to kill, and lie on there reports like the B.T.K. police and reporters do !!!"”
Gary7Gann 3 weeks ago
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Read 'PURSUIT OF EXHIBIT 35 in the OJ Simpson Murder Trial" or view the film documentary "SERPENTS RISING: An Independent Investigation of the OJ Simpson Murder Trial" both at amazon dot com. You will see how Simpson's CA lawyers, cooperated with the LADA's office and LAPD to conceal evidence favoring OJ Simpson's innocence, the hidden and elusive "Exhibit 35".
brotherap 1 month ago
Johnnie Cochran came on the "Dream Team" later, did he join for more sinister reasons? Maybe his interest in securing the release of his incarcerated hero Elmer "Geronimo" Pratt after 29 yrs was more important to him than the Simpson case. Though the Simpson case would give JC evidence to potentially disclose a complete government orchestrated malfeasance and cover up if they didn't release "Geronimo". We know he succeeded in securing Geronimo Pratt's release. Read "PURSUIT OF EXHIBIT 35".
brotherap 1 month ago
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hotblk100 2 months ago
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brotherap 2 months ago
where can i download this documentary ? could you post it -the whole documentary ? please !
anaaamarcos 3 months ago
@anaaamarcos Click the blue hyperlink above which will take you to amazon dot com and then from the pull down button got to Instant Videos and then type in Serpents Rising. You can watch it online or buy the DVD, it's up to you.
brotherap 3 months ago
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HA HA, happy near DECAPITATION Day. It serves that cunt Nicole right for marrying a black. If she listened to a "Racist" like me she would still be alive. She must have hated her father. Oh well, Good Riddance. May she and OJ rot in hell.
KENA429 3 months ago
Yea thanks for the spelling lesson but this is youtube and not an exam! also this is England and we over here dont give a fukk about your fukked up murders so save all that Casey Anthony shit for someone who gives a crap.I think ull find that crack isnt that bigger deal over here so please dont assume the UK is fukked up nigger pitt like America. Stay in that shit hole called Tuvalu and write to me some more.I have a job and i need to pay taxes so people like you can get treatment for drug abuse
Englandsbestlover 6 months ago
@Englandsbestlover Your snaggle toothed anorexic mama is the only tramp needing treatment for abusing drugs trying to bring a nothing ass ignorant Neanderthal MF like you in the world. She should have aborted your worthless ass then, it would've been nothing lost, or nothing gained. You should be glad this is not an exam, you NO SPELLING BABOON, or else we'd be hear all day laughing at your dumb ass. Just as I figured, another racist dummy that doesn't no a damn thing about the Simpson case.
brotherap 6 months ago
1st...You should be glad this is not an exam, you NO SPELLING BABOON, or else we'd be hear all day laughing at your dumb ass. Oh dear oh dear oh dear. I believe its spelt "here" And 2nd...Just as I figured, another racist dummy that doesn't no a damn thing about the Simpson case. I think "i know" its spelt...yep you guest it........"know" which one of us needs to go back to school. Youve just had your arse handed to you on a plate nigga!!!
Englandsbestlover 6 months ago
@Englandsbestlover Oh tishtish, you're right! I really did F***up and showed that I was just as ignorant as your dumb racist cracker ass, what a pity. I had the lead on your cave dwelling ass for a moment, now I guess I've got to crawl into that putrid hole with your rotten ass. I guess being in a hurry doesn't pay when trying to put one of you racist fake ass British retards in his place. You definitely know your words, cousin. Please accept my deepest apology, you low life peck-a-wood MF!
brotherap 6 months ago
@brotherap: lol i love it when you call me a racist and a cracker at the same time :-) I accept your apology as you didnt no any better...i mean know :-)
Englandsbestlover 6 months ago
@Englandsbestlover Glad my apology is accepted but you're (NOT YOUR) still an ignorant MF, believe that. I knew you liked that kind of stuff, you low life masochistic SOB! You probably like a good golden shower from one of those snaggle toothed whores who has downed a keg of that Guinness Stout your big time spending ass has sprung for her or him. Learn this, OJ Simpson was framed, our (OMIG's) evidence indicates he was in the backseat of a limo at 11PM while his wife talked on the phone.
brotherap 6 months ago
@brotherap: Hmmm Guinness is irish you prick, you should of said tea or bovril. Why is it you think im the bad guy here, you were the one giving me insults first :-( and i think ull find OJ did infact murder those 2 people...limo or not. besides i think youll find theres plenty of evidence to show he did kill them. You think hes innocent because hes a coon, i kow hes guilty because of the proof. Id never even heard of him until the murders
Englandsbestlover 6 months ago
@Englandsbestlover "Hmm Guinness is irish you prick, you should of said tea or bovril"
I know a low life MF like you cares not what guys or gals piss down your face and head. Guiness or Boll Weevil or whatever that s*** is, MFs like you aren't particular about the joy they get lying under a golden shower. You're a know nothing c***sucker, that's what makes you "the bad guy". You know only what greedy, no due diligence doing, tabloid media fed you. See our documentary above then let's talk.
brotherap 6 months ago
@Englandsbestlover you don´t know ANYTHING!
jjjonse 5 months ago
Rott in hell Jonnie Cock Sucker!
Englandsbestlover 6 months ago
@Englandsbestlover Rott in hell Jonnie Cock Sucker!
I'll bet he's got your funky ass buck tooth retarded mama down there sucking his cock, while he's got your peg leg grand mammy hobbling back and forth serving ice cold lemonade. Viva la Johnnie, all you sorry as MF!!! And read the book Pursuit of Exhibit 35 in the OJ Simpson Trial and learn something.
brotherap 6 months ago
@brotherap: Only niggers think OJ is innocent because your all too dumb to know anything about the law, thats why all you nigger break the law on a daily basis and bitch when ur thrown in jail and then have the nerve to claim is coz ur a wog! its just that your scum
Englandsbestlover 6 months ago
@Englandsbestlover Only fucked up white MFs think Casey Anthony's innocent, (It's you're, not your, and nigger(s) with an S, you dumb ignorant cave dwelling SOB. You all are too dumb, meaning you nasty stinking no bathing peck-a-wood MFs, to know anything about the law. That's why they've changed the crack law to make room in the pen for all you ignorant nasty ass meth using worms. All of that other silly honkey ebonic bs "is coz ur a wog" speaks to who & what you are; a dumb ignorant ass MF.LOL
brotherap 6 months ago
oj did it..this was payback for the rodney king beatings.
tgrfan42069 6 months ago
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@tgrfan42069 "oj did it..this was payback for the rodney king beatings."
GTFOH! No drunks allowed.
brotherap 6 months ago
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HA HA, happy near DECAPITATION Day. It serves that cunt Nicole right for marrying a black. If she listened to a "Racist" like me she would still be alive. She must have hated her father. Oh well, Good Riddance. May she and OJ rot in hell.
KENA429 7 months ago
Jury: NINE blacks, TWO whites, and ONE hispanic. LMFAO
Some other facts about the final jury: (1) None regularly read a newspaper, but eight regularly watch tabloid TV shows, (2) five thought it was sometimes appropriate to use force on a family member, (3) all were Democrats, (4) five reported that they or another family member had had a negative experience with the police, (5) nine thought that Simpson was less likely to be a murderer because he was a professional athlete.
What a joke
giggedy4goo 8 months ago
@giggedy4goo You dumb ass, covert racist MF, analyze what's being said in the clip. We don't give a damn about your covert racist views about the jury's assets or lack thereof. This jury's intellectual level is no different than all of the white hanging juries in the U.S. All of you crazy MF's in the U.S. rarely read a book, most of you get your info from FOX NEWS, so don't waste our time with your concealed racial hatred. The cover up is associated with hidden exculpatory phone records.
brotherap 8 months ago
@brotherap brorap waxing eloquent. Look, racism is a huge issue, much bigger than the media tries to portray it. If you believe that a jury with eight black women wasn't a factor, you are even more of an idiot than you show yourself to be in your comments. It's sad that blacks really believe Johnny Cochran is some kind of hero when his arguments were like grade school rymes. Da glove don't fit, you must acquit, lickedy split, on the high tip. It worked with the morons on THAT jury.
giggedy4goo 8 months ago
@giggedy4goo Here we go again! Another dumb ignorant CS, just made for the honkeys that put this BS trial of the century in motion so ignorant asses like you can talk subjectively with round-about racist BS that has no relevance to what took place here. This clip is very relevant, have you even looked at it, examined it, critiqued what has taken place before your eyes without you knowing it. The answer seems to be NO! You're satisfied to engage me in racist BS that is much to do about nothing.
brotherap 8 months ago
@giggedy4goo "Waxing Eloquent?????????"
Start with this youtube clip first, "OJ Simpson: Hidden Phone Records" then come back to this clip and analyze it, maybe you'll understand why we posted it. Be conscious of where you're at, we've got little time to waste with amateur MFs still sucking on their momma's titty when we were investigating these CSs and their concealment. We're OMIG, MF! You want to debate you'd better know more than that phony subjective BS about 8 black women jurors.
brotherap 8 months ago
@brotherap "phony subjective BS about 8 black women jurors"........you are one sad MF bro. Have you listened to them? Barely 3rd grade level intelligence. Cashing in on books. Pathetic. Maybe they sound like geniuses to you though.
Don't worry, noone thought you would understand english anyway. Wherever you is at, you be one lost MF. You really believe he was innocent? Even the biggest idiot blacks know he did it but are just happy a black person got away with murdering a white person.
giggedy4goo 7 months ago
@giggedy4goo First of all, you're just another ignorant TV watching trailer park peck-a-wood. Based upon your stated age you were a stupid ass 13 yr old punk kid trying to sniff some young girl's panties, GTFOH! These women gave very intelligent remarks at the end of the trial in '95. There's 239 books written about this subject, & 232 by know nothing white dumb ass MFs just like you. So what? I don't give a F*** about what you think you know tell us something you know for sure, simple ass MF!
brotherap 7 months ago
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@brotherap Please keep commenting, you just make it more and more clear how much of an idiot you are.
"These women gave very intelligent remarks at the end of the trial in '95."
Days was pretty edumacayted, you could tell. About as sharp as you.
giggedy4goo 7 months ago
It's time for many of you who've seen this clip to acquire the investigator's book "Pursuit of Exhibit 35 in the OJ Simpson Murder Trial and its Hidden Secrets" at amazon dot com books. His chapter on Johnnie Cochran going along with the phone record concealment to use as leverage to free his client imprisoned for 30 yrs Edgar "Geronimo" Pratt is truly fascinating. After Mandela was freed NGO prison watch organizations recognized Pratt as the longest political prisoner held. A must read!
brotherap 9 months ago
the hell with Nicole Brown. Any white woman who marrys a black deserves her fate. May she rot in hell.
GREG7289 9 months ago
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@GREG7289 "Any white woman who marrys a black deserves her fate. May she rot in hell. "
I'm sure that a fine ass white woman who can find and marry a rich long dick black MF, doesn't give a fuck about what a whining cocktail weenie having MF like you thinks about rotting in hell, especially if the alternative is heavenly bliss with a broke ass butt sucking cocksucker like you.
brotherap 9 months ago
FYI! brotherap, since you asked how long, the official word is that you have 8 more days to go before being unblocked! Hopefully, we won't have to revisit this issue again, ol buddy.
bigbiggityben 9 months ago
Before you waste money on this garbage please google: Wagner and Sons Juditha Brown phone bill. Thank you.
copraiders1 10 months ago
Johnny is getting butt fucked by Satan right now, you're next up, OJ.
floydfreak63 10 months ago
…you can judge for yourself: me: Exactly, the made up 11 PM call is very provocative because it closes the case out. And the more provocative something is the more book sales there will be. Brotherap: So what, at least 11 PM is more accurate …..” So by all means listen to what he says and buy his stuff. Because it should be obvious it is not done by a racist who is making things up and sensationalizing it for profit.
copraiders1 11 months ago
@copraiders1 You're not giving people enough credit because when Brother starts this- johnny, judge and prosecution cover up crap people automatically think he's some loon from some UFO convention. I have never thought it was about money. I really believe he believes this and has the right to make money/profit from it if he so chooses. Hey you never know you may be right he might just making this shit up to make a buck. There's all kinds in this world.
88jmct 10 months ago
@88jmct I have no doubt. The part about making things more provocative did it for me. If he was really about spreading his "truth" he would state he would give the books out for the mere cost of shipping and printing with no profit. This is all about money and getting his little "detective" agency to expand. He admitted that too.
copraiders1 10 months ago
@88jmct You're not giving people enough credit because people automatically think he's some loon from some UFO convention.
You might think in terms of that UFO madness, since you don't think before running your mouth, as you did when falsely identifying the man you presumed found the dog & bodies at 11PM. But of course, people like you never see anyone like yourself as being Looney. It takes ol' brotherap to expose how mentally stagnant your condition is & how freaking Looney you truly are.
brotherap 10 months ago
@brotherap Big deal so I was mistaken. If I was lonely I would believe Simpson was innocent regardless of all the evidence against him. Now that's looney!
88jmct 10 months ago
@88jmct Big deal so I was mistaken. If I was lonely I would believe Simpson was innocent regardless of all the evidence against him. Now that's looney!
No, fool, it is a big deal. As are the other big deals that you simply want to gloss over in your enthusiasm to be a part of a lynch mob. Incompetent cowards are what you are, afraid to admit that you can be wrong. But Keep f***ing with me, I'll help make you go crazy or do your homework. You'll be a loony bird or set free from ignorance.
brotherap 10 months ago
@brotherap I was mistaken about the time the body was discovered not the time the bloody dog was discovered, because of that you to categorize me as being part of a lynch mob, that is flat out absurd. This case has nothing to do with lynching and ropes. You speak of GLOSSING over, that's all you do regarding the EVIDENCE against Simpson!
88jmct 10 months ago
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DO NOT BUY THESE PRODUCTS!!!! Here is what we have: Brotherap (an investigator for this organization) states that Nicole is on the phone at 11 PM yet later admits that there is not a record proving this (therefore how is this a fact?). We have brotherap admitting to being a racist toward whites (it is in a recorded dialog on one of the websites you can read and you may contact me if you would like to read it). And then to top it off we have this exchange which……
copraiders1 11 months ago
I watched the case, I know that the timeline works based on all the other evidence. I do not need to know where Juditha was at any time that night to know that OJ left blood leaving the scene of the murder and later had no idea how he got cut. Nothing anything in the phone records would disprove this. NOTHING!
mjmitch33 11 months ago
You are the funniest person ever... So an estimated leave time of 8:30 to 8:45 put Juditha on the phone at 11pm? You make up some crazy stuff. You lie through your teeth and make estimates of time that help keep this a issue when it is not. You need help for all your lies.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 You lie through your teeth and make estimates of time that help keep this a issue when it is not.
I don't keep anything an issue, you do that. I've said what has been uncovered by OMIG, your problem is that you're not hearing it from CNN or LAPD or LADA or FOX News, or probably the National Enquirer. However, because you haven't heard it from your favorite source does not mean that it is not true. If you ignore it, it might go away; then you could pretend it doesn't exist.
brotherap 11 months ago
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@mjmitch33 So an estimated leave time of 8:30 to 8:45 put Juditha on the phone at 11pm?
Don't leave out 9:00! All three were times that Mezzaluna employees offered on the record. However, not one of those departure times would have allowed an arrival traveling from Brentwood to Dana PT by 9:37 PM in the year 1994.
brotherap 11 months ago
lol That isn't what you have. That is what you wish you had. What we have is a phone call from the Brown house to Mezzaluna before 10 and two dad people killed by the owner of one of the rarest DNA profiles on record at 1 in 57billion. What you have is a guilty brother in jail until he dies of a heart attack or a person willing to end this madness by beating him to death. I hope it is caught on video.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "What we have is a phone call from the Brown house to Mezzaluna before 10"
You don't have that at all! There's nothing in the public file whatsoever that affirms your allegation. What should be there has been removed by a surreptitious court order to remove all exhibits in the Simpson trial from the Court. All you have is a stipulation of lawyers agreeing to a call before 10 PM which no juror or public has seen. Again, we (OMIG) do not accept nor allow a PRIVILEGE OF PRESUMPTION.
brotherap 11 months ago
@brotherap what about the exhibit that shows the phone calls. The one the defense allowed into evidence that backed the phone records information and matched what the stipulation was for. Not enough proof for you?
mjmitch33 10 months ago
@mjmitch33 What about the exhibit that shows the phone calls. The one the defense allowed into evidence that backed the phone records information and matched what the stipulation was for. Not enough proof for you?
Well, I tried to show it to you & allow you to judge for yourself, since the DDA under pressure was finally forced to send it to OMIG. The majority of call lines on the document were illegible as we had predicted when OMIG first asked Mr. Brown to allow it to come straight from GTE.
brotherap 10 months ago
@brotherap again no one will believe you, you are a hopeless moron trying to profit off a gruesome murder of two innocent people.
mjmitch33 10 months ago
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@mjmitch33 "again no one will believe you, you are a hopeless moron trying to profit off a gruesome murder of two innocent people."
Simply wild unfounded allegations by a madman!
brotherap 10 months ago
@brotherap again no one will believe you, you are a hopeless moron trying to profit off a gruesome murder of two innocent people. If you have it it is tainted more than OJ's glove demonstration.
mjmitch33 10 months ago
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@mjmitch33 again no one will believe you, you are a hopeless moron trying to profit off a gruesome murder of two innocent people. If you have it it is tainted more than OJ's glove demonstration.
You're definitely a madman walking around in circles repeating himself. Call for the production of these records; that's what you need to do and stop BSing.
brotherap 10 months ago
We do not need to Duck we got your attorneys to agree... Your bad!
mjmitch33 11 months ago
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@mjmitch33 "We do not need to Duck we got your attorneys to agree..."
Well, it's no need to get bent out of shape by me repeating that we don't care if Simpson's attys agreed or not, what they agreed to painted themselves into a lying corner to attempt to defend the Browns impossible drive from Brentwood to Dana Point between 8:45 & 9:37 PM, & that's a virtual impossibility. Absconding with the records with secret court order from the Simpson case file is no help for the D.A.s office either.
brotherap 11 months ago
@brotherap The time the left was backed by nothing and was purely an estimate. The 9:37 was the call to Mezzaluna... And again, hard facts tell us that they were at home by the phone records that were shown to Johnny. If you want to see them it is just to try to promote more money making scams and to again profit from your looney tunes reports. Case os over,OJ is in jail and you need to find a way to make money on your own and not off the blood of the victims.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "Johnnie", seems to be you folks only salvation for this fraud. Unfortunately he's caught up in concealing the records himself by his own admission. The stench of this cover up is not going to go away until GTE/Verizon produces the records to put this to rest. As it stands, we have OJ Simpson in the backseat of a limousine to LAX at 11PM while wife Nicole was alive & well talking on the phone to her mother as supported by CALTrans I-405 data & etc. You'd best CALL FOR THE RECORDS!
brotherap 11 months ago
Their plan was to play on two sides of the jury's life history. The racism portion and the uneducated portion. Luckily with this jury they had a combination of both. DNA evidence will always be something you can argue is not 100% however when you add,the glove,the shoes,the hair,the fiber,the past violence,the suicide note,the apology and the training... no doubt in my mind OJ is a liar,a murderer, a abuser and a retard.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "however when you add,the glove,the shoes,the hair,the fiber,the past violence,the suicide note,the apology and the training... no doubt in my mind OJ is a liar,a murderer, a abuser and a retard."
JUST CALL FOR THE PRODUCTION OF THE RECORDS, THEN IF THEY SAY WHAT YOU BELIEVE THEN YOU HAVE A BASIS FOR YOUR ABOVE ARGUMENT. DUCKING THAT ISSUE DOESN'T MAKE YOU PEOPLE LOOK GOOD AND AS LONG AS OMIG IS AROUND IT IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GO AWAY, NO MATTER HOW MUCH DIRT THEY TRY TO THROW.
brotherap 11 months ago
Oh yeah, the entire plan was to murder Nicole,get the case on Court Tv to persecute OJ. You are so brainwashed you may actually believe that but not those living in the real world. DNA stat analysis was consistent with the numbers they had at the time. They have hardly changed over the last 10 years. The argument that it was contaminated is a joke (like you). The argument that the blood was planted is absolutely impossible and arguing both only shows that they did not have proof of anything
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 It's ironic you mention CourtTV, since I read that the founder attributed the Simpson trial for keeping him from Ch. 7 bankruptcy, and giving it life. Simpson seems to be the gift that keeps on giving as long as he's got you haters out here. Be that as it may, you would've been a stooge on the jury that fatigue would've undoubtedly worn down after being convinced there was too much sloppy conduct & handling of DNA to sentence a defendant to life w/o parole. You wouldn't hold out.
brotherap 11 months ago
@brotherap You guys keep going back to the sloppy handling of the blood but you continue to avoid the fact that the prosecution was never given any blood that was not treated with EDTA, only one tube was drawn so if blood was missing and had EDTA the blood found at the scene would have to be from one person... OJ.
! in 170000000 or 1 in 1.2 billion... those odds or any other odd is impossible to overcome considering the other evidence.. bllod,gloves,shoes,hair,fiber... again no doubt guilty!
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "You guys keep going back to the sloppy handling of the blood"
My words were "too much sloppy conduct & handling of DNA". Your reckless invention of what you allege others said is the biggest liability you have. Either one must assume that you are doing it intentionally or you are just a feeble minded person. Whichever is the case certainly justifies why you were vulnerable to slick lawyers pulling your cap down over your eyes. The DNA calculations were admittedly overblown.
brotherap 11 months ago
Wrong again, it was the Menendez brothers! They paid for their crimes though, unlike Simpson. No, most people would've seen right through the race card playing lying scum Johnny Cochran, therefore they would of been so sickened they couldn't of possibly felt fatigued.
88jmct 11 months ago
That is what you got the jury to believe because like you their understanding of DNA was that of a 3 year old. Only people that are willing to buy that edta theory and throw all the blood away were racist maggots that would have never convicted your HERO to begin with. Life isn't that simple for the real world... Although you need it to be...
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "Life isn't that simple for the real world...Although you need it to be"
I'm dealing with your simple ass aren't I? Those people understood DNA as well as any of the rest of you pseudo intellectual retarded ass fools in this nation. When the Defense tore into the sloppy handling, phony DNA stat analysis, game over. A trial calls for only a seed of reasonable doubt. This case was an orchestrated conspiracy to create animus using race to injure the dignity of whites; no more no less
brotherap 11 months ago
That is how it works, you have to prove your facts are true on your own. So far you have not done so. Traffic was too heavy to make that call by 9:37... travel time confirmed by others to be very possible on a Sunday night.
Jason killed her... he was on the clock at that time at work and then with his girlfriend... You were wrong again...
Blood contains EDTA, nope just elements found in EDTA, on a couple items, not even at the levels it would need to be to be preserved blood.. wrong again. lol
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 I have no idea to whom you are talking but that's par for the course. I've ventured no thoughts on Jason Simpson at all to my memory, if so prove it. Secondly no one but your angry delusional mind has convinced you that a Sunday drive was possible in a 45-60 minute time window between Brentwood & Dana PT in 1994, if it was prove it by mapquest. EDTA, at a crime site is like discovering s***at a dinner table & when revealed you want to convince everyone the rest of the menu is OK.
brotherap 11 months ago
Nope, Would not be surprised anything you gave me looked corrupt. It is your only way to avoid the obvious guilt of OJ. You wouldn't send me anything that proved him guilty like the blood matches or photos with him in the gloves that did not fit lol
How about them ugly shoes and the cut...your a joke and anything you say I can ignore just as you did to Furhman. Because you are just that Mark Furhman!
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "Would not be surprised anything you gave me looked corrupt."
Coward ass! I was simply going to allow you to see what these pathetic MFs tried to pass off as being legitimate and sent to our OMIG investigators. Sounds like a double standard to me. Anything we give you is taken with suspicion but we're public enemy number one when we refuse to accept something that appears corrupt from an L.A. County official's personal storage locker???
brotherap 11 months ago
Oh so now the fonts were changed and Johnny was part of the corruption. You guys are so funny, You are not a real organization you are a terrorist organization out to defame and irritate any situation to get attention. Someone didn't hug you enough as a child.. No doubt in my mind the most corrupt thing I have dealt with over my 40+ years is your crooked self.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "Oh so now the fonts were changed and Johnny was part of the corruption."
Since you're talking & assuming a pile of BS you know little about, I could give you a link to let you see a copy of the Ex. 35 phone records that we warned them against sending to OMIG & I'll bet you that you can't identify HALF the correct times on the call lines starting with Lines: 15, 12, 11, 16, 10, 07, 06, 02, 01. I think you'll say you've never seen a phone bill come to your house in such condition.
brotherap 11 months ago
phone records were available, they matched the exhibit... The exhibit was shown to the jury. You do not seem upset that the pictures Johnny was trying to hide.. You know the victims of OJ's violence that almost beheaded the mother of his children.. I guess that was ok right?
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "You do not seem upset that Johnny was trying to hide.. You know the victims of OJ's violence that almost beheaded the mother of his children.. I guess that was ok right"
You're a bigger damn fool than I thought if you believe that. I'm the one telling your dumb ass that the murder photographs were horrendous & prejudicial. That is why it is out of place for Cochran to be pleading with the judge not to show the photos because the court didn't show the jury the phone records.
brotherap 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "phone records were available, they matched the exhibit."
Based on the document they finally offered in late '99 to make all of this pressure go away, it appeared from the mismatched irregular font sizes, unclarity on the call lines, they certainly graphically manufactured something in haste that matched the time call lines on the exhibit. But it always was unacceptable to OMIG we want the record from the data bank of an unbiased 3rd party, GTE/Verizon Archive Dept. San Angelo,TX
brotherap 11 months ago
no it says maybe the estimate of leaving time was off a little.. maybe they found a smooth lane of traffic.. We had the phone records and they showed that the calls fit the timeline.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "no it says maybe the estimate of leaving time was off a little.. maybe they found a smooth lane of traffic.We had the phone records and they showed that the calls fit the timeline."
You had nothing, MF! and neither did the jury, just a bunch of corrupt ass lawyers on both sides of the table acting while squabbling behind closed doors. Co-opting a weak ass CA superior court judge to go along with violating fundamental rules of common law to promote this racially charged trial.
brotherap 11 months ago
Race war? Again the reason for me calling for his death is because of his actions not his color. Last time I will talk about race in this. If Oj was a white golfer I would be as angry. Because I was so involved in this case when it happened and that I had a friend that was killed in a similar fashion I am emotionally charged that he could walk free. As for the jury, Again about the evidence and the ignorance. If anyone can tell me how non edta treated blood next to foot prints isnt guilty...
mjmitch33 11 months ago
I cannot assume Furhman moved the glove, I cannot assume Jason killed Nicole because he was a chef... I can assume that OJ being cut the night of his ex wifes murder and that his blood was found at the scene and that he owned gloves found at the scene that he then owes a explanation. No explanation he is guilty.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "and that his blood was found at the scene and that he owned gloves found at the scene that he then owes a explanation. No explanation he is guilty."
Well, we're giving him & you an explanation. If you want to go forward with these damning allegations then call for the production of the Juditha Brown phone records so that we can solve that mystery of whether OJ was in the backseat of a limo at 11 PM while his wife was still alive because presently I-405 data says no to a 9:37 call.
brotherap 11 months ago
In my limited training--the two simplest ways to generate a time line, and proove a persons innocence or guilt was to draw the dna from under the fingernails of a 'victim' of murder/assualt--when there is a possibility the victim/s/ and assailant came into contact with one another. Use the phone records of all involved directly and indirectly to establish a firm timeline. For some reason the prosecution thought this was not the best way, rather ask a dirty cop-if he felt 'troubled' by the case.
bigjbzzl 11 months ago
@MJMITCH33---In conclusion of debating with you, I would like you to consider these two things as the most telling peices of evidence in the entire case, and why they where not are not and have not been introduced 'clearly' into evidence for all to see. Take into account my limited but actual law administration training..Where are the finger-nail clippings?(lost)yeah right, how convienent-and the full unedited phone record a week befor and a week after the murders. Good luck explaining them away
bigjbzzl 11 months ago
@bigjbzzl The stipulation of the phone records by both attorneys justifies the use of the exhibit of the phone records as fact in the timeline. A stipulation is something the jury must consider facts unarguable facts. If you do not believe the stipulation as fact you are thus ignoring the judge and should be nullified and the trial would need to be repeated.
Nail clippings missing does not prove OJ was not the killer. It only proves that more physical evidence could have been gained to convict.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 --Too typical. I don't care that the defense & prosecution worked the phone records right out of the case. The fact remains the records and the nail clippings are the most telling of innocence or convincing of guilt, types of evidence you can have going into a trail--and both where not 'used'--for different reasons. "IT ONLY PROOVES THAT MORE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE COULD HAVE BEEN GAINED TO CONVICT OR _AQUIT_.(u left that word out of your argument) @ least pretend to be blind in justice.
bigjbzzl 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 " you are thus ignoring the judge"
The truth is a judge in a common law court is no greater than the jury. Had I been a juror I'd have stood & told the judge "your honor you are out of order". The judge knew the time was in prior dispute due to his lifting of Judge Powell's seal on the time in Aug. 1994 the initial dispute made it exclusively a question for the jury. Lawyers do not exceed the authority of a jury & are truthfully not a part of the structure of a common law court.
brotherap 11 months ago
@brotherap Your right, a jury should be able to ignore both the judge and the lawyers. I mean they ignored the evidence also... lol Everyone involved in this case is not credible in your eyes and all the evidence is contaminated. So if we go through any case and ignore all witnesses and disregard credible evidence will we ever get a conviction... ever? We have to look at the world with impartiality and weigh the facts of the evidence. I cannot assume Vanatter planted blood without proof.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 " A stipulation is something the jury must consider facts unarguable facts."
This is discussed at length in the new book out by T.H. Johnson, "Pursuit of Exhibit 35 in the OJ Simpson Murder Trial and its Hidden Secrets" at Amazon. He points out that the law in Calif. under Book of Approved Jury Instruction, CA BAJI 1.02, would allow lawyers to stipulate to Chicken Little's proclamation of the "Sky is Falling" & CA jurors would be obligated to accept it as being true in the trial.
brotherap 11 months ago
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@mjmitch33 Did it not produce the racial animus in this country that my remarks imply? You're simply a little clog in this massive machine, albeit when combined with millions of others so brainwashed, a significant clog. Racial animus was manipulated via a lazy news media who failed to do any meaningful due diligence & now are afraid of OMIG exposing their own embarrassing neglect. Don't take it personally you're but a wee wee little figure in this whole scheme and not the main antagonist.
brotherap 11 months ago
You can make it out to be something racial if you like I cannot change your thoughts of me so I will not try. However my thoughts are purely scientific and life experience based. Please do not go into my white background. I am very experienced in the police matters and have lived both sides of this mess. However no one has answered with any scientific explanation on how OJ's blood could be found without him being a central figure in this attack. Multiply that with the other stuff... easy!
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 Did it not produce the racial animus in this country that my remarks imply? You're simply a little clog in this massive machine, albeit when combined with millions of others so brainwashed, a significant clog. Racial animus was manipulated via a lazy news media who failed to do any meaningful due diligence & now are afraid of OMIG exposing their own embarrassing neglect. Don't take it personally you're but a wee wee little figure in this whole scheme and not the main antagonist.
brotherap 11 months ago
@brotherap Racism does not explain his blood, Racism does not create his blood, Racism did not plant his blood. He left his blood.. All the racism in the world will not change that. All the other crap you talk is just a deflection of one of many things that are unexplained by racism. Racism does not explain how he left his blood,it does not explain why he owned the gloves, it does not explain why he got a unexplainable cut. IT does not explain how he apologized. Just like the domestic violence.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 I don't believe I have harped on racism as but only a potential factor underlying the wrong doing involved here. You need not become blinded by the word that it impairs your critical thinking elsewhere. This is a tragedy of corruption & malfeasance no matter who was the victim, even white, & if I or OMIG found the same irregularities we'd come to his/her aid as well Unfortunately none of what you offer is indictable anymore than a Det. carrying all the blood around in his pocket.
brotherap 11 months ago
Respond to this video... If the domestic violence did not prove his guilt, neither should the racist Cop (only one on record) prove his innocence. Even if we remove the Fuhman evidence his Guilt is beyond a reasonable doubt. You should be thankful for the racist cop it may have been the only way for OJ to win over a jury in LA at that time.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
All this crazy talk about Jason,phone bills and timeline does nothing to remove the blood and all the other evidence. In a perfect world I know that not that many items could have pointed to OJ. Not in a crime that happened over night and involved so many different people who all stick to the same story. I know that there is racism but for me to believe that everyone involved wanted a murderer to go free just to get OJ is too much. To many facts,to many mistakes made by OJ.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "but for me to believe that everyone involved wanted a murderer to go free just to get OJ is too much"
Only a myopic mind could come to such a conclusion; however, this affair produced the exact results so intended, there's always a usefulness in producing racial animus, especially for other sinister purposes. It is a by-product of this US culture that never spoils & whose shelf life requires no particular sophisticated preservation. To rid your anger you must call for the records!
brotherap 11 months ago
It will never happen. Nothing in this case of any facts surrounding it will ever erase what most know. The blood,gloves,shoes,hair,fiber and past violence towards Nicole are all to damning to ever convince the educated public he was innocent. That will never happen. You will have to live with only the uneducated public being the ones you can convince that OJ was innocent. The people with a understanding of DNA know that he was involved in the struggle that night and won. His last win in life.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "to ever convince the educated public" "only the uneducated public"
That sounds suspiciously racist to me, code words used by angry whites to mask their bitterness. Educated for white & uneducated for people of color. That was the unfortunate tragedy of this sordid affair it appears that it was planned to create this malicious, hate filled, atmosphere. As far as the hidden evidence is concerned OMIG never says never! The're some decent white folk who want to see the records too.
brotherap 11 months ago
@brotherap To explain that is simple. In order for a jury to be able to reach the search for truth and a true verdict they must be able to understand the science behind the evidence. We have facts in this case that if understood in this case are unexplainable by racism and contamination. Those are facts if you are educated enough to understand the science. It is that in which this jury failed. If they understood that racism cannot plant Blood matching OJ's overnight like it was catsup...guilty!
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 No jury whether white, black, red, brown or yellow is obligated to do anything other than determine in their own minds as to whether certain factors presented to them impact the evidence for any one of them to have reasonable doubt that prevents them from reaching a "UNANIMOUS" decision. Something as we all saw was wrong with how police lied about and handled evid. that I nor any other decent person would vote to convict to satisfy the blood lust of you, driven by the media.
brotherap 11 months ago
He got off .. didn't he? He got off despite all the evidence. He got off despite leaving his blood at the scene and not even knowing how he cut his finger... that alone!
Those who believe the blood are not going to be swayed by a phone call. Those who do not believe the blood and DNA want to justify their stupidity with the rumors (not Fact) of a phone call. We are getting no where. You are arguing something both lawyers agreed to. I am arguing the jury did not understand the DNA. Science vs duh
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "He got off .. didn't he? He got off despite all the evidence."
He certainly didn't get off in this court of public opinion that you're so captivated with. What kind of beast are you, to presume a man should be satisfied with acquittal in a "de jurie" court, only to be excoriated in this media bastardized court. If exculpatory evidence was manipulated then concealed it should be exposed. He has family members too that this sordid episode has effected; so let's CALL FOR THE RECORDS!
brotherap 11 months ago
@brotherap I think he should be lucky that no one found him in public and beat him into a confession. I honestly figured by now someone would have corrected the juries mistake and tortured him into a confession. Lucky for him I am on the East coast! lol
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "I think he should be lucky that no one found him in public and beat him into a confession. I honestly figured by now someone would have corrected the juries mistake and tortured him into a confession. Lucky for him I am on the East coast! lol"
Yeah! HaHaHa! You people keep playing with match sticks that place you on the verge of causing a race war in this nation & I think that your level of arrogance & sense of supremacy makes you even more ignorant to the consequences of such.
brotherap 11 months ago
The 11 pm phone call was an estimate and again the phone records viewed by the defense as well as the exhibit showing the times not being objected to by the defense. There was plenty of time and resources to argue the call and a stipulation is not a demand by the prosecution it is a agreement on facts. Again this is hardly an issue in the case. The bigger issue is did the jury really understand the blood and DNA testimony. Even Scheck cannot explain the blood without edta... right?
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "There was plenty of time and resources to argue the call and a stipulation is not a demand by the prosecution it is a agreement on facts. Again this is hardly an issue in the case"
I know that it's not an issue to angry white folk that thirst for the blood of a man of color. That's all that those who dismiss these crucial records as simply minimal little factors of no significant consequence appear to be hell bent on performing, a lynching. To be denied that pleasure offends them.
brotherap 11 months ago
Your opinion, I think the jury can take that Johnny would have battled any and every option he thought he could win or even taint. It is not as if this would have changed anything. To get to a innocent judgment the jury obviously did not believe any of the blood evidence or the circumstantial evidence either. The combination of a police department that was viewed by many as being racist and the jury not fully understanding DNA is what got OJ off. That and the fear of violence after the trial.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 It is not as if this would have changed anything.
This would've changed everything. If Simpson is in a Limo, then on an airplane 30 thousand feet above the ground while his wife was still alive at & after 11 PM, it exonerates OJ Simpson from committing murder & raises further questions of the problems CA continues to be plagued regarding judicial malfeasance & corruption. It could also allow white folks relief to rid themselves of a burden of hatred & anger. Call for the records.
brotherap 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "The combination of a police department that was viewed by many as being racist and the jury not fully understanding DNA is what got OJ off. That and the fear of violence after the trial."
White folk don't even understand DNA & neither do you! The DNA issue was argued & adequately rebutted to have been mishandled by amateurs dressed in CSI uniforms that even beyond the issue of concealed evidence blatantly contaminated the DNA evidence. Junk in Junk out!
brotherap 11 months ago
No those times spell rumor and misinterpretation of the facts. The call never changed during the case. What happened after the case has no bearing and I respect the families wishes to keeping the phone bill personal. It was part of the evidence despite the uproar over the so called secrets kept from the jury. If we want to go back and add things to the trial maybe we should add OJ's conversation with police where he added he should be the one hurt and how he was so sorry to put the police out.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "The call never changed during the case."
The case began on June 13, 1994 officially at 12:19 AM when Fire Dept. EMTs pronounced the victims to be dead, and between their and the beginning of trial in January '95, the time of the call was offered and retracted at different times by different people several times; making the evidence exclusively a issue for the jury to decide instead of slick lawyers acting for their own pecuniary gain behind closed doors.
brotherap 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "If we want to go back and add things to the trial maybe we should add OJ's conversation with police where he added he should be the one hurt and how he was so sorry to put the police out."
That is neither condemning or exculpatory, unlike the issue of an 11 PM phone call. If Nicole was alive talking to her mother while Simpson entered a Limo to LAX that evid. would be exculpatory & would exonerate him from this human created purgatory.
brotherap 11 months ago
As for the travel data, it really is proven wrong by the phone call. Travel data is so inconsistent I give it no weight. We know the time they Browns left was a estimate and the arrival time at home shows they were at home when they made the call.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
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@mjmitch33 "We know the time they Browns left was a estimate and the arrival time at home shows they were at home when they made the call."
ALL THE MORE REASON TO CALL FOR THE PRODUCTION OF THESE RECORDS, SINCE A MAN'S LIFE, AND MIND, HAS BEEN IRREPARABLY INJURED AS A RESULT OF SUCH QUESTIONABLE ESTIMATIONS.
brotherap 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 As for the travel data, it really is proven wrong by the phone call.
I BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE OPPOSITE, THE THIRD PROFFERED TIME OF 9:37 PM IS PROVEN WRONG BY THE TRAFFIC DATA. THAT IS WHY YOU NEED TO JOIN US IN CALLING FOR A PRODUCTION OF THESE PHONE RECORDS FROM THE GTE (VERIZON) DATA BANK.
brotherap 11 months ago
That would be a call for evidence after the fact. The times of the calls were consistent with the phone records none changed since the trial. There was confusion over the times in the early days because of estimates of calls made in the grand jury testimony. Once the phone records were brought into court the record and the calls have been on record. The rumor of change is just that rumors.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "The times of the calls were consistent with the phone records"
THE NEITHER JURY HAS EVER SEEN THEM TO AUTHENTICATE THAT.
NO ONE, OTHER THAN SQUABBLING LAWYERS, SAW THE RECORDS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
THE COURT MINUTE ORDERS SHOW NO INTRODUCTION OF THEM, & THE EXHIBIT DEPT. SHOWS WHAT PASSED FOR THEM TO HAVE BEEN SUSPICIOUSLY REMOVED BY SECRETIVE COURT ORDER.
"There was confusion over the times in the early days"
ENOUGH FOR IT TO FALLEN EXCLUSIVELY INTO THE DOMAIN OF THE JURY.
brotherap 11 months ago
The evidence was on file. It has been sealed since to protect the phone numbers of uninvolved parties. During the civil trial the phone records were sealed but they were entered in at the time of the criminal trial and then not shown to the jurors with the numbers attached. The information was there but the format in which they were exhibited. The proof of the times of was given and agreed upon in court by both. Nothing was contested..
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 You have a loose interpretation of behavior relative to the phone records & see such as a non-dispute. For trial purposes, taken in terms of the numerous changes re: time of calls the changes alone create conflict, enough that the evid. should have gone to the jury. Further, the stipulation is in conflict with travel data for the I-405 on 06/12/94. The evid., if innocent, should be in the case file, it's not; that also signals trial corruption; a phony stipulation. Call for the evid.
brotherap 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "The evidence was on file. It has been sealed since to protect the phone numbers of uninvolved parties."
The seal was removed by Ito a month after it was placed in August 1994. Since the whole affair took place behind closed doors & the preliminary hearing ended on July 08, '94, no one new that the seal had been lifted but the time of the call still remained a media mystery until Shapiro's in-audible offer of 9:37 a few months later 02/07/95. See 11:00, 10:17, 9:37 spell conflict.
brotherap 11 months ago
That is what the stipulation was.... an agreement that the details of the exhibit be stipulated as fact. Show me debate of them? Where are the facts contested?
mjmitch33 11 months ago
The reason he talked about the phone records that day was because they were just finishing the agreement on the stipulation. Go read the transcripts again. You are running in circles. Facts are very clear, they stipulated on the times. Nothing is suspiscious accept for the fact the phone numbers on the actual bill were protected by the lawyers. Stipulations between the lawyers are assumed to be fact. Uncontested evidence. Fact!
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 I don't need to read anything again, I'm listening to the same transcript right here. The full version in the film of Cochran's 352 argument amounted to a long passionate plea, to the point of begging judge Ito. The intent of his remark is clear and makes a point of exceeding what is necessary " WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHOW THEM ANY OTHER EXHIBITS AT THIS POINT". His addition of not showing the phone records is a reminder that they carry the same prejudicial impact as the bloody photos..
brotherap 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "Stipulations between the lawyers are assumed to be fact. Uncontested evidence.Fact!"
Only when such facts are not in dispute or conflict, which these were 3 times over seven months & sealed by Judge Powell on July 08, 1994. Lawyers technically aren't a part of a Common Law Court, only a judge & jury. Thus, this CA. judge exceeded his discretion allowing lawyers to trespass into the domain of the "Trier of Fact" with this suspicious stipulation & no evidence on file to back it up.
brotherap 11 months ago
Johnny's response... MR. COCHRAN: THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, YOUR HONOR. BOTH SIDES RESERVE THAT RIGHT TO OBJECT ON RELEVANCY AND THE FACT THAT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE PRIVACY OF THESE NUMBERS IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, AND FURTHER, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE MADE THESE PHONE CALLS OTHER THAN THE PARTIES INVOLVED. THE COURT: ALL RIGHT.
See he was there and agreed on it... Never would have if he deemed them incorrect.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 Johnnie too.I WOULD ALSO OBJECT FURTHER, I DON'T THINK THE JURY NEEDS TO SEE THESE PHOTOGRAPHS AGAIN, THEY'VE SEEN THESE PHOTOGRAPHS BEFORE, I SEE NO REASON FOR THAT AT THIS POINT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHOW THEM ANY OF THE OTHER EXHIBITS AT THIS POINT. AND WE DIDN'T SHOW THEM, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHOW THEM ANYTHING IN REGARD TO THE TELEPHONE BILLS OR WHATEVER!!!
You see, given the fact that a deputy d.a. removed these records the above statement is an indication of malfeasance ..
brotherap 11 months ago
you are talking about two different phone calls goofball. The first call of 9:37 was the call from the Brown home to the Mezzaluna the 10:17 call was the one from The browns to Nicole. Two different calls. However the fact is the Johnny was involved in the stipulation and did not complain at all about any of the times.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 The first call of 9:37 was the call from the Brown home to the Mezzaluna the 10:17 call was the one from The browns to Nicole.
Even the phony Posterboard entiled Juditha Brown Phone Records does not show a 10:17 PM phone call in any of its timelines. What document are you citing your source from? Whether Johnnie participated in this fraud or not is of no concern to us, if he was alive, he'd have to account for his conduct but he's gone. Now those that are left must do so.
brotherap 11 months ago
No this one was done between Marcia and Johnny... not Shapiro! You cannot have it both ways big guy. Johnny was in on it... he was not there Shapiro did it... lol
Pick an argument you clown you are arguing that the entire world framed this clown. Pick a bad guy they cannot all be at fault. Jeesh!
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 Listen fool! on July 8, 1994 Shapiro proffered a stipulation for your beloved 10:17 PM in Judge Powells chambers at noon. It was sealed until Marcia Clark could refresh her memory about records she gave to Shapiro on June 30, 94.
Feb. 07, '95 Shapiro in an inaudible voice proffered a new stipulation of 9:37 which was accepted by Clark & the jury admonished they must accept the stipulation as evidence.
July 06, '95 Marcia Clark proffered the 9:37, & 9:40 stipulation to Cochran.
brotherap 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 I forgot to tell you that if you don't want to read the book "Pursuit of Exhibit 35" then I would suggest you contact L.A. County Court Reporter Arnella Sims and do as OMIG did in 1999 purchase a copy of the in-chambers transcript for July 08, '94. That's all I can offer your lazy clownish behind, since you seem mentally challenged in doing your own homework. Eating off their platter is simply going to confuse you even more; given your mental state you can probably least afford it.
brotherap 11 months ago
the drive was times by many people at many times and they came up with anything from 66 minutes to 79 minutes.. both very close to the actual times by the Browns. Again talk what we know the call was done at... the murder was done at... and the dog was barking at... all work no matter what false statements you make.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 he drive was times by many people at many times and they came up with anything from 66 minutes to 79 minutes.
Anybody that told you 66 minutes in 1994 is lying to you.
brotherap 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 You are full of it show me.
ORENTHAL J. SIMPSON
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS
SAN ANGELO DIVISION
In re ) Civil Action File No.:
Shapiro offered to stipulate that 10:17 p.m. was the actual time Juditha made the phone calls back to Brentwood the night Nicole was murdered, based upon a copy of the phone statements provided to Shapiro by Clark (“Preliminary Hearing in Judge Powell’s Chambers: Certified Transcript of Arnella Sims, Court Reporter - July 8, 1994”).
brotherap 11 months ago
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You are full of it show me.. they discussed this outside the courts and agreed on it in front of Ito! If you have proof there was an argument then post them. You do not it did not happen they looked at the records and then the exhibit and agreed to them
mjmitch33 11 months ago
You are full of shit show me.. they discussed this outside the courts and agreed on it in front of Ito! If you have proof there was an argument then post them. You do not it did not happen they looked at the records and then the exhibit and agreed to them
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 If you have proof there was an argument then post them. Now it's best that you read the book above "Pursuit of Exhibit 35 in the OJ Simpson Murder Trial and its Hidden Secrets" and you'll find all of that which you are asking about and more.
brotherap 11 months ago
Yes but they did this in front of the court, I read the transcripts and they came to the judge with the stipulation and it was not discussed in detail they just agreed on the stipulation. That is in the transcripts!
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 " they came to the judge with the stipulation and it was not discussed in detail they just agreed on the stipulation."
That was the phony stipulation entered feb 06 '95 but Shapiro proffered the first stipulation in Judge Powell's chambers on July 08, '94.
brotherap 11 months ago
Just the opposite. If the actual records came out he had no way of arguing them later. By allowing the prosecution to build an exhibit of them he made it look as it there could have been something to hide. It was very intelligent but stipulating that the records were consistent with the exhibit the jury has to assume the information on the exhibit is fact. That is what a Stipulation is. He was on OJ's side and saying otherwise only shows how bad you have to make everyone else look to save OJ.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 He was on OJ's side and saying otherwise only shows how bad you have to make everyone else look to save OJ.
Our statements on the subject are based upon field work, due diligence, and acquired evidence; something that many of you angry white folks haven't done. We've interviewed everyone of consequence that knows that highway and in spite of you clinging by your finger nails to the false belief that the Browns made that drive the evidence defies that premise.
brotherap 11 months ago
They argued behind closed doors? I guess you were there? There was no argument they looked at the facts and stipulated the exhibit was showed what the report did except it had names instead of numbers. That was all the stipulation was. I do not let conjecture or word of mouth sway me if the facts do not match up. We know where Nicole was at 10:15 she was being beheaded by OJ, the dogs barking was confirmed by several neighbors and the phone records match that. You have nothing that can change it
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "They argued behind closed doors? I guess you were there? "
Do you think the record is not kept when court goes into the judge's chambers? We know what went on behind closed doors regarding these phone records because we acquired the court transcripts taken behind closed doors in Judge Kathleen K. Powell's chambers on July 08, 1994, Dumb ass donkey!
brotherap 11 months ago
I am buying the time spot because it again fits the physical evidence. Her call to the mezzaluna was on the phone records that all the lawyers viewed and stipulated to.
The defense did not lie and they are not part of the frame up. As much as I hate Johnny he would have killed this in court if they had any evidence that it was true. He was willing to turn anyone into the victim to free his client. Time line fits... GUILTY!
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "I am buying the time spot because it again fits the physical evidence."
That bogus time fits what they wanted to feed you & with no due diligence performed by you that's all you have & seem satisfied with. They argued behind closed doors about the time even with phone record in hand, entered a phony stipulation & then secretly stole it from his case file. What you think or believe about Cochran is of no concern to us, the records are gone & we want them replaced by GTE/Verizon.
brotherap 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "Johnny he would have killed this in court if they had any evidence that it was true"
You're assuming Johnnie cared about Simpson or was concerned for what white folk would think about him. Based on this clip, he knew full well about these records, & it appears that he might have went along with concealing them to later use as leverage (or threat) in a more significant case than the Simpson case.
brotherap 11 months ago
I repeat now, with even greater confidence, what I said before on this subject: "There is no contradiction that I can see with the evidence." The Browns could have left the Mezzaluna at 8:30 and yet Juditha could have made the phone call from Dana Point at 9:37. This says it is very possible!!!
mjmitch33 11 months ago
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@mjmitch33 "I repeat now, with even greater confidence, what I said before on this subject: "There is no contradiction that I can see with the evidence."
On that note I think people will have to consider the source of this proclamation, that it's you, mitch, who is extending this vote of confidence and that's like someone buying an all expense paid tourist bus ride through the safe mountain highways of Afghanistan.
brotherap 11 months ago
I repeat now, with even greater confidence, what I said before on this subject: "There is no contradiction that I can see with the evidence." The Browns could have left the Mezzaluna at 8:30 and yet Juditha could have made the phone call from Dana Point at 9:37.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "There is no contradiction that I can see with the evidence." The Browns could have left the Mezzaluna at 8:30 and yet Juditha could have made the phone call from Dana Point at 9:37."
How? Only if carried by helicopter! Certainly not by driving on the night of 06/12/94 between 8 and 9 PM. The traffic data indicate a virtual slow moving parking lot on the southbound I-405 and so do eyewitnesses who remember the persistent end of weekend freeway conditions on the southbound I-405.
brotherap 11 months ago
That is how Johnny worked. He put things in the trial hoping that the info got back to the jury via visits with family and such. In theory it does not matter what time they left and where she was when she called. We know Nicole was alive for the next call at 10:15 or so which was also on the record. The time line works,the dog barking,the missing OJ and the dead victims all point to the right time when OJ's vehicle was not at his residence and he appeared not long after. The time line works!
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "In theory it does not matter what time they left and where she was when she called."
It matters very much, if Nicole was alive at 11PM when OJ was entering the backseat of a chauffeur driven Limo on its way to LAX. The evidence does not support the stipulation of a 9:37 initial call, & the phone records have been removed from his file. I no you're not trying to say the limo driver drove past Nicole's on the way to LAX airport so OJ could stop off and kill Nicole and Ron, are you?
brotherap 11 months ago
Can you explain all the other so called coincidences? You know the gloves,the shoe prints, any blood without EDTA, hair probable match,injury to the finger, apologizing to the police, telling the officers that he is the only person that should be hurt? Any idea why all those things happened?
Johnny comparing telephone bills to pictures of the crime scene is crazy. If he was against the phone bills exhibits he should have not offered to stipulate to the charts that the prosecution used.
mjmitch33 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 Can you explain all the other so called coincidences?
Gloves-Seen on TV didn't fit OJ's big hands!
Shoe Prints_Could have been made by 19 varieties other than Bruno Magli also the size 46/size12 show sole is 3/4 in. shorter than Simpson's foot.
Blood without EDTA-Could have been yours! There was no way to determine that blood came from a specific person in '94. Although the EDTA alone outside LAB creates suspicion.
OJ was/is an apologetic Negro! So what?
brotherap 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 Can you explain all the other so called coincidences?
Hair, blood, don't say anything specific and only served to agitate & provoke the fear of hate mongering white folk looking to lynch a person of color.
brotherap 11 months ago
@mjmitch33 "Johnny comparing telephone bills to pictures of the crime scene is crazy."
Agreed! It's certainly out of place in a 352 argument re: to the potential prejudice of other horrendous evidence. It definitely lends to the suspicion as to why these records were removed from Simpson's case file. Based upon OMIG's evidence there is no conceivable way the Browns, unless carried by helicopter, in 94 would have arrived in Dana Pt. at 9:37 upon departing Brentwood between 8:30 and 9:00 PM.
brotherap 11 months ago