oh and for the record atheism is the religion of believing in no gods which means their not satanic, because they dont believe in A GOD OR SATAN. get it right you dipshits before you try to conduct your own holy crusade. seriously just shut up and do something else with your life instead of wasting it bitching about religion
one final thing. you all need to shut the fuck up. what are you gonna do when the final day comes and you think to yourself maybe i should have done more with my life instead of wasting my time bitching about religion on youtube because i dont like their religion or this band. quit wasting your lives over this pathetic shit. your god - to what ever religion you believe in - didnt give you free will just so you could bitch about having it and how someone elses religion seems satanic to you.
and if you think this song is wrong than why do you keep listening to it. if you hate it then dont listen to it and sure as hell dont have a bitch fit over it. quit trying to push your religion on to others or bad mouth theirs. we all have free will and freedom of religion. so shut the hell up. jesus i swear its pathetic to see you all posting about this bullshit. everyone has their own choice you have no fucking control over that. thats their gods decision. YOUR NOT GOD SHUT THE HELL UP.
shut the fuck up. you fucking religiouse dipshits gotta have your little pissing contests on youtube now. i just read all the fucking posts and i say this. im christian so what. i love this song and band. its a fucking song not a religious war forum. you bitch about songs being satanic and all i think is i listen to rob zombie, dethklok, mudvayne, apostasy, rotting christ, and other heavy and death metal bands. if that sends me to hell than who the fuck cares. just shut the fuck up already.
LOL, I would have never thought I would read about religion going to a Mudvayne song. I heard this song from the movie Ghost Ship and loved it ever since. But really people leave the religion in your own house, everyone has their own beliefs and you really shouldn't judge them on your own. LONG LIVE HEAVY METAL! \m/
hahahahahaha! ((slipknot reference)) " I can hear you like the holy ghost, and kill you if you get to close! " thing is bout holy ghost is you can't hear it.... so i cant hear religion.... pointless if u think bout it
so much talk about religion what the hell the world would be a better place if ppl would just keep that shit to your self no one cares what you belive in and if they do thir just ass holes
I Love this shit. I am in tears and I am angry and this is telling me the truth! Fucking demons pulls us down every time..innerdemons from the outer demons. This is a damned good song!
For one, chill out. Everybody is entitled to their own doing. And god has nothing to do with music (with the exception of gospel) it has to do with ideas, memories that come and go, and dreams. I'm an athiast, and I support what you believe, so support what I listen to. Or fuck off.
@deadlocked910 Dude, I believe that Christ is my King, bur God created souls to have gifts and one of those gifts is the ability to make music (even says so in the OT). I need Christ, Christ Loves me, but I can like this song and still not go to hell. It's a solid song and much can be interpreted from it. Music comes from Our Creator, brilliant , Intelligent being into mankind, and Our Loving God blesses what we do with our gifts. Their gift to create music is blessed. Peace!
Damn! That song is INTENSE! With a Kapital I, I Stand, so fuck you, the bastards drag me DOWN...I..I stand..I kick you... your...ASS..is..falling DOWN!! WHOA!
Why the arguing. I mean it's a good song stop the shity remarks about oh there is no god or this is satanist music, and also tell me where in the bible it says if you aren't with god your against him, because as I recall god loves everyone. Just sayin
You're totally right, if the God of the Bible does indeed exist (I believe He does): He DOES love everyone, but this is regardless of ethical alignment, you see. According to the Bible, if we are not saved, we are under the control of the Devil and are lost.
@flemehhe He loves as a parent loves a child. Reward them for good behavior, but if they kill someone, there has to be punishment for things like that.
@wastelandscourge The album this song is from is titled 'The End Of All Things To Come'. They had a compilation album out before this titled 'The Beginning Of All Things To End'.
I find it funny how people push their weight around using Youtube comments boxes and make themselves look so much stronger than they really are. Honestly people, a Mudvayne song is the LAST place i would have found a friggin holy war, but it never ceases to amaze my otherwise.
If all of those insults were designed to offend me, they quite honestly didn't. Just made me bewildered at their maturity. O_o
(By the way, for education's sake, Christians have brains of their own, too. :) God is about free will and the choice to sin or not. That's why there's Heaven AND Hell, my good friend.)
God bless you, have an excellent day! I love you. I really hope you all the joy in the world! :D My best wishes go to you!
@8CaptainHowdy Yeah, I don't see how atheistic lyrics means Satanism. & when you say 'Satanism', do you mean run-of-the-mill "Yay Satan" types, or Luciferians? I'm Wiccan & I LOVE As I Lay Dying, even though they are known mostly as a Christian metal band. From Project 86 to Dimmu Borgir, it shouldn't really matter what the lyrics really say if you love the music. 'Rapture' by HURT - a song about a woman killing her baby because she swore Jesus told her to. Still an epic composition to me.
Oh, excuse me, chum, I ought to have been more specific. When I say satanic, I mean neither ''Yay Satan'' types or Luciferians. I used the word satanic very broadly, as in ''If you're not with God, you're with Satan'' . . . and since these lyrics appear atheistic to me (although I COULD be wrong, I'd be the first to concede that), they are anti-God, and in my view there are two sides. If you're not with God, you're with the Devil, consciously and intentionally or otherwise.
@8CaptainHowdy Well, this 'chum' thinks you should be more specific - instead of saving others & enlightening them, saying 'I used the word satanic very broadly' makes you look more ignorant than the ones who probably are more so than you. If you're going to proselytize, please be a little more definitive. Also, I'd hate to believe a child molester who repents RIGHT before execution should be allowed into Heaven more so than an actual 'good' person who just doesn't believe in God.
Excuse me for not being more definitive. LOL. Was that comment not posted a year ago? Why are you unearthing more conflict? It was simple vagueness, I wasn't attempting to mislead, and I didn't use a word that suggested a totally different meaning. With all due respect (of course), lighten up please.
And, may I give you a more personal message on the whole child molester repenting thing? I wish I could go into depth, because I do in fact have a response to that, but of course, YouTube's character limit in comments is rather restricting.
I would like to clarify my position: I wish not to argue, and I CERTAINLY mean you absolutely no disrespect, hoss. However, I like a good healthy debate every now and again. May we ''continue this elsewhere''(i.e. via private inboxes)?
@8CaptainHowdy Chum? Hoss? I realize now my 'trucker-style' photo misleads people into assumptions of me. I am not wrong - God, God, & Allah (which means God). All three worship the One Creator of EVERYTHING with a set of rules to follow if you want eternal life after death. There's a reason the three are all branched close together, not to mention the majority of all three's histories take place in the same part of the world.
And you forgot that each of these *seperate ''Gods'' have different commandments. ''These three's histories take place in the same part of the world'' doesn't prove that these cultures worship the same god/God. By that logic, two different subfields of science could be the same subfield, if they were both designed in, say, Oklahoma. No. The only thing similar to Islam and Christianity is they worship deities. That's as far as it goes.
@8CaptainHowdy That's why I said 'perceptions' of the same God. If there really is only ONE God, don't you think it's possible other individuals have seen or heard him/her, & just interpreted differently what certain rules are? Also, about the Oklahoma thing, they could be the same if they're similar. That's why the three get grouped together, because they're similar. It's not like you could lump plate tectonics in with monsoon seasons. They're not nearly as similar as the three big faiths.
Oh, I most definitely think it's possible that people can perceive one God or one set of rules in varied ways. But, Allah tells Muslims to kill infadels. Jesus Christ tells Christians 'thou shall not kill'. You've got to be kidding if you think that's from the same God. At least, I HOPE you'd be kidding.
@8CaptainHowdy The Quran does not indeed command it's followers to kill. You're thinking about the extremists that everyone brings up, AKA the terrorists. Just like every single Christian isn't trying to force their faith down other's throats, there are the few Islamic extremists that give the other believers a bad reputation. Also, I'd hate to believe the God you worship 'is thankful for IEDs' & 'hates fags'. Fair?
Oh, then I was mistaken, my sincere apologies for bringing false information to the table. I was of the honest impression that the Quran encouraged that. Sorry!
No, the God I worship is not thankful for IEDs and He CERTAINLY does not hate homosexuals. Hey, neither do I. I don't agree with that lifestyle at all, and according to the Bible God doesn't either, but the whole 'God Hates Fags' campaign is awful! The Bible clearly states He loves the human race, just not the sin.
@8CaptainHowdy Just to clarify things, where exactly in the Bible does it say 'Thou shalt not conceive with a dandy'? I have heard that it's in the Bible ALL the time, but have never actually been given an example.
@Hiveslayer18989 Lev. 18:22: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination." Also, 1 Cor. 6:9-10: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
There are more verses, but I don't have room in the comment box.
@8CaptainHowdy Hmm, thanks for making this discussion beneficial to both our intellects. I did not know that was in the Bible. Well, unlike most of the immature children on youtube, I will admit - touche, my friend. Good lord, I've had to troll the stupidity out of trolls. Touche, my friend. Checkmate.
@8CaptainHowdy so where the fuck is your God?? Innocent people die everyday... priests abusing children and you still keep your false faith. Open your fuckin eyes or get the fuck out with your religion bullcrap.
Well, my God is everywhere. (Except in Hell, of course.) Innocent people die everyday? Not God's fault, humanity's fault. :P Priests abuse children? Why point out priests, ALL types of people abuse children. The fact that this number is inclusive of priests isn't God's fault either. He never 'put' sin into our nature, Adam did. Humanity is to blame, since it's OUR free will.
Open your eyes, and close your mouth . . . at least, to the unintelligent language. Be respectful.
I assume that's a rhetorical question and further assume you're mocking me, but hey, it gives me a chuckle. XD I'll answer anyways.
The reason I, despite being a filthy sinner, don't kill myself is God loves me despite my sins and died so that I could HAVE a life, not to throw it away. Suicide is basically spitting in His face, tossing away a gracious gift that NOBODY, not even you, deserves.
@8CaptainHowdy what prayers of yours where ever answered by degrading others? You have your beliefs and I have mine but we're both human, we both live on the same planet, so whose to say your any different than the rest of us? Get off your religious high horse and start living your life before its to late "brother" :P
It's not degradation, it's recognition that no one's perfect -- far from it, actually. On that can we agree? If we're not perfect, then it stands to reason we don't deserve mercy from a PERFECT God (if one such God exists). You know what I'm saying? I said NO ONE deserves the gift of life, and the words 'no one' are inclusive of me. I'm not different than any of you in the sense that I'm just as unworthy. The difference is I'm forgiven. That's what being a Christian is.
@8CaptainHowdy I can't forgive your God for letting this world turn the way it did and the fact that you come on to a video and start seperating people according to their beliefs doesn't help anything. MY God is a reasonable guy, he'd understand if ppl lost faith in him after a couple thousands of years. :p
God doesn't need your forgiveness, He's GOD. And, 'letting' the world turn this way? If we have free will and we caused the world to become as it is, and God also would not rob us of the GIFT of free will, we have the choice to change the world with His love. It's either let sin run its course and take those who choose follow Him or take away the blessing of CHOICE. I'd rather keep my free will, thanks. Blaming God is the worst thing anyone can do, it's pointless.
@8CaptainHowdyBut Christ says to Forgive. Never in the Bible does the word "free will" appear, not even once. We either go w/ Christ or you don't. But as for me, according to HIS Word, I'm w/ Christ~ 1 Timothy~ Listening to this music WILL NOT SEND YOU TO HELL, but ungodly actions& not receiving HIs Son will. Be not deceived. Mankind deceives himself w/ all sorts of words that God nor Christ wrote or commanded. Take it out of context all ya want. God is TRUTH &HIS WILL, Will BE done regardless!
@8CaptainHowdy His Word is not interpreted as "free will". HE said Choose. Nothing in HIs book encourages us Towards "Free Will". Why are YOU telling a Christian that? He said not to add or subtract from his words at all. I know the scriptures and I am glad that since you have placed them here, you are now spreading the Word of God. I made my choice, not out of free will, mind you, but out of truth. Many things conflict the spirit, racism, hate, all of these things. Listen to the lyrics.
@8CaptainHowdy Please re-read the New Testament about what will send you to hell. Re-read that all things are allowed but not all are beneficial. My relationship w/ Christ is not going to be affected by listening to this because of the Freedom that I have in Christ. I have Grace& Why are we talking about this. This is going nowhere. I don't have time to explain this. Just go & read the NT alone. I like this song. God created the person who created this song. I am free In Christ! Not Free Will
Oh, and listening to this song would not directly send you to Hell, but it is negatively influential and the ideas are conflicting with the spirit. If you follow God, that is.
@8CaptainHowdy That would be the long and the true and the bottom line of it , bro'..it's all in the difference (that's b/c MANY are CALLED and FEW are CHOSEN)....
@OzzyRocksYourSocks Cap's got a point...it's Adams fault...God gave us a free will and Adam basically fucked it up for us all....so God came down in the form as Jesus and died for our sins.....so that when we go to Heaven all our sins will b forgotten..Get the Devil out of your head man..he's clouding u from the Light and Truth of our savior Jesus Christ
@dorian120723 when was the last time your savior did anything for us?? if anything my thoughts are clearer than most, I know the cold hard truth and i'll admit its not easy to accept but its not healthy to lie to yourself. If there's ever a nuclear apocalypse, i'm gonna write a new bible and store it safely somewhere in a fire proof safe so that sum dumbass can find it thousands of years later and live his life by it. It'll be hilarious.
@8CaptainHowdy Oh, one more thing. I'd almost assume you look down on Judaism & Islam, but did you know - ALL of you believe in the same God? The 3 main religions all perceive him differently, so that's why there are different versions of one God. Ever think YOU'RE wrong & you're going to Hell instead? Even if you thought you heard God speak to you, maybe it was Allah, & because of your faith, you perceived it as the Holy Father? John Forbes Nash, Jr. proves the mind CAN play tricks on you.
Firstly, you are wrong. We do not perceive the same God. :P Jesus Christ at no point says that if you kill all infadels, you'll receive however many virgins when you enter Heaven. (And don't try the 'Oh, He asked Abraham to kill his son Isaac' stuff. He was testing Abraham's obedience and wouldn't have allowed Abraham to go through with it. Ever heard of the Ten Commandments? 'Thou shall not kill'.)
Yes, I'm familiar with John Nash, yes, the mind is a tricky thing.
Ohh, so you are of the belief that people who have different theistic opinions than you are not at right to have opinions? You're bigoted, prejudiced and blind to others' sensitivities. I'm not particularly surprised (just dissapointed) that you have no social graces. Do you realize how unintelligent the sentence "Blind followers like yourself should not have an opinion" makes you sound? Come on, use the brain God gave you. I'm sure you can do better than that if you make an effort.
You're pretty quick to respond to a comment made eight months ago. Very mature.
"Bible thumper"? That's so original, I'm baffled. Where do you come up with these creative little jabs and insults?
Furthermore, I am letting people believe what they believe. Do you see me going out like some Muslim terrorist bomber and killing people for not believing in my God? Just like you, I ALSO have a right to believe what I believe, and speak my opinion. You'd do well to keep that in mind.
@firestarwarrior12853 This is about the evil ghost who come back again, and again, and again in a different body, waiting to get what they want for many years until your body comes down the pike, alive, fresh, waiting, to get you, to drag to DOWN!
@firestarwarrior12853 The beat of the song makes you want to fight all there is that's WRONG and fucked up with life. It makes you want to live and fight!
@8CaptainHowdy please explain how exactly this song has a "twisted satanic message"? last time i checked this song seems to be more about not letting people push you around.... so when exactly does being a strong person and not letting people fuck with you become a satanic message? its time people like you learned not to analyze things you don't fucking understand
Ahhh, but it is that you don't understand the song the way I do. To support my claim, did you know that Mudvayne is Athiest? Not saying that's wrong, but they further say in this song that being Godless is being free, which is mocking religion, specifically Christianity. Therefore, it is Satanic. Check out the lyrics. Also, note: "Sinners, casting stones at me". Mudvayne's using the term against others and victimizing themselves, in a way saying they're sinless. That's how I feel.
@8CaptainHowdy I would like to point out that being atheist does not necessarily make you satanic. Even if the point of the song is that freedom is equal to being godless. It doesn't support any satanic principles.
Before I took the time to listen to the actual lyrics, I liked this song, LOL. Then it occurred to me what it meant, and I no LONGER even listen to it. XD
@wes2277 Dude it is the very opposite of the message. Don't they gget it, it's like the fucking demons, be they inside or outside, keep dragging him down, but he is not not falling for the shit, he is going to stand, he will not give his blood for no one but to save himself...Jesus shed HIS blood for man already, why should man keep shedding blood if Christ did so once and for all. The singer is fighting against the darkness and he's fighting with a vengeance just as we all should. NOT FALLING
I like how half of these comments have nothing to do with the song
0insertusernamehere1 2 days ago in playlist Music
oh and for the record atheism is the religion of believing in no gods which means their not satanic, because they dont believe in A GOD OR SATAN. get it right you dipshits before you try to conduct your own holy crusade. seriously just shut up and do something else with your life instead of wasting it bitching about religion
Akkadian2009 4 days ago
one final thing. you all need to shut the fuck up. what are you gonna do when the final day comes and you think to yourself maybe i should have done more with my life instead of wasting my time bitching about religion on youtube because i dont like their religion or this band. quit wasting your lives over this pathetic shit. your god - to what ever religion you believe in - didnt give you free will just so you could bitch about having it and how someone elses religion seems satanic to you.
Akkadian2009 4 days ago
and if you think this song is wrong than why do you keep listening to it. if you hate it then dont listen to it and sure as hell dont have a bitch fit over it. quit trying to push your religion on to others or bad mouth theirs. we all have free will and freedom of religion. so shut the hell up. jesus i swear its pathetic to see you all posting about this bullshit. everyone has their own choice you have no fucking control over that. thats their gods decision. YOUR NOT GOD SHUT THE HELL UP.
Akkadian2009 4 days ago
shut the fuck up. you fucking religiouse dipshits gotta have your little pissing contests on youtube now. i just read all the fucking posts and i say this. im christian so what. i love this song and band. its a fucking song not a religious war forum. you bitch about songs being satanic and all i think is i listen to rob zombie, dethklok, mudvayne, apostasy, rotting christ, and other heavy and death metal bands. if that sends me to hell than who the fuck cares. just shut the fuck up already.
Akkadian2009 4 days ago
Finally, an add I didn't skip lol.
Chargeglass 5 days ago
I like this song. me GUSTA(:
PSNaj15 6 days ago
LOL, I would have never thought I would read about religion going to a Mudvayne song. I heard this song from the movie Ghost Ship and loved it ever since. But really people leave the religion in your own house, everyone has their own beliefs and you really shouldn't judge them on your own. LONG LIVE HEAVY METAL! \m/
Tmanmetalhead 6 days ago
hahahahahaha! ((slipknot reference)) " I can hear you like the holy ghost, and kill you if you get to close! " thing is bout holy ghost is you can't hear it.... so i cant hear religion.... pointless if u think bout it
exzaver1234 1 week ago
so much talk about religion what the hell the world would be a better place if ppl would just keep that shit to your self no one cares what you belive in and if they do thir just ass holes
ihateallliveingthing 1 week ago
religion can suck my cock along with your "god"
linemanbiermann 1 week ago
1 person is VERY VERY VERY UNHAPPY AND DESERVES TO BE SHOT BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY ONE TO DISLIKE!!!
iMeTaLxHeAd 2 weeks ago 9
I Love this shit. I am in tears and I am angry and this is telling me the truth! Fucking demons pulls us down every time..innerdemons from the outer demons. This is a damned good song!
kittyscratchesboo 2 weeks ago
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kittyscratchesboo 2 weeks ago
For one, chill out. Everybody is entitled to their own doing. And god has nothing to do with music (with the exception of gospel) it has to do with ideas, memories that come and go, and dreams. I'm an athiast, and I support what you believe, so support what I listen to. Or fuck off.
deadlocked910 3 weeks ago
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kittyscratchesboo 2 weeks ago
@kittyscratchesboo FRED AND HIS YELLOW OUTFIT AND THAT IDIOT LOUDNESS IS WHACKED. FRED NEEDS XANAA Xs 11 MAN!
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@deadlocked910 Dude, I believe that Christ is my King, bur God created souls to have gifts and one of those gifts is the ability to make music (even says so in the OT). I need Christ, Christ Loves me, but I can like this song and still not go to hell. It's a solid song and much can be interpreted from it. Music comes from Our Creator, brilliant , Intelligent being into mankind, and Our Loving God blesses what we do with our gifts. Their gift to create music is blessed. Peace!
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Damn! That song is INTENSE! With a Kapital I, I Stand, so fuck you, the bastards drag me DOWN...I..I stand..I kick you... your...ASS..is..falling DOWN!! WHOA!
kittyscratchesboo 3 weeks ago
Why the hell was there a Wiz Khalifa commercial on a Mudvayne video... wtf advertising.
ItsBigDaddy373 3 weeks ago
ghost ship is awsome!
gamerboy218 3 weeks ago
I love this song, fuck you all. \m/
OzzyRocksYourSocks 4 weeks ago
Who do I go to when I have problems? Who understands the shit that I'm going through or want to be? Mudvayne, of course!
Ancientmonolith 1 month ago
I STAND>>>>>>
stellarella73 1 month ago
quite a few of your lyrics are incorrect, i would suggest referring to an official lyric release from the band
bound2death 1 month ago
8CaptianHowdy how the hell are you still pushing your side after a year. By then I would have just givin up. Got to give u props for.that
nsig97 1 month ago
@nsig97
LOL. Thank you. XD
8CaptainHowdy 1 month ago
My God plays heavy metal in a band !!!
panzermann007 1 month ago
Why the arguing. I mean it's a good song stop the shity remarks about oh there is no god or this is satanist music, and also tell me where in the bible it says if you aren't with god your against him, because as I recall god loves everyone. Just sayin
flemehhe 1 month ago
@flemehhe
You're totally right, if the God of the Bible does indeed exist (I believe He does): He DOES love everyone, but this is regardless of ethical alignment, you see. According to the Bible, if we are not saved, we are under the control of the Devil and are lost.
Just clearing that up.
- C. H.
8CaptainHowdy 1 month ago
@flemehhe He loves as a parent loves a child. Reward them for good behavior, but if they kill someone, there has to be punishment for things like that.
Hiveslayer18989 1 month ago
anybody who favors satan will burn in hell for eternty so keep that in mind peoples
5clockwerk 1 month ago
@5clockwerk dumbass push your bibles elsewhere
generalityrandom777 1 month ago
@5clockwerk is that a damn threat??? why don't u let everyone do whatever they want!!! shits like u make me want to become murderer!
sadness87832 1 month ago
you stupid fucks should learn what means "Satanism" or "Satan"
the only evil fuckers on this world are religious faggots
crawling211 2 months ago
Agreed
67Silence 2 months ago
Noooo DISLIKES!!??I CAN BE THE FIRST >:D...NAAA THERES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DISLIKE ABOUT MUDVAYNE....I MEAN COME ON..ITS FUCKING MUDVAYNE!!!!!
SCRUMPCIOUS59 4 months ago 8
What album is this again? I want it, probably a waste of time replying though I very rarely check these comments! :-O
wastelandscourge 4 months ago
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@wastelandscourge The End of All Things to Come.
jkkblades 4 months ago
@wastelandscourge The album this song is from is titled 'The End Of All Things To Come'. They had a compilation album out before this titled 'The Beginning Of All Things To End'.
Hiveslayer18989 2 months ago
I find it funny how people push their weight around using Youtube comments boxes and make themselves look so much stronger than they really are. Honestly people, a Mudvayne song is the LAST place i would have found a friggin holy war, but it never ceases to amaze my otherwise.
KetchupStainOnMyShoe 4 months ago
@gavion81
If all of those insults were designed to offend me, they quite honestly didn't. Just made me bewildered at their maturity. O_o
(By the way, for education's sake, Christians have brains of their own, too. :) God is about free will and the choice to sin or not. That's why there's Heaven AND Hell, my good friend.)
God bless you, have an excellent day! I love you. I really hope you all the joy in the world! :D My best wishes go to you!
- Captain Howdy
8CaptainHowdy 6 months ago
@8CaptainHowdy Yeah, I don't see how atheistic lyrics means Satanism. & when you say 'Satanism', do you mean run-of-the-mill "Yay Satan" types, or Luciferians? I'm Wiccan & I LOVE As I Lay Dying, even though they are known mostly as a Christian metal band. From Project 86 to Dimmu Borgir, it shouldn't really matter what the lyrics really say if you love the music. 'Rapture' by HURT - a song about a woman killing her baby because she swore Jesus told her to. Still an epic composition to me.
Hiveslayer18989 2 months ago
@Hiveslayer18989
Oh, excuse me, chum, I ought to have been more specific. When I say satanic, I mean neither ''Yay Satan'' types or Luciferians. I used the word satanic very broadly, as in ''If you're not with God, you're with Satan'' . . . and since these lyrics appear atheistic to me (although I COULD be wrong, I'd be the first to concede that), they are anti-God, and in my view there are two sides. If you're not with God, you're with the Devil, consciously and intentionally or otherwise.
8CaptainHowdy 1 month ago
@8CaptainHowdy Well, this 'chum' thinks you should be more specific - instead of saving others & enlightening them, saying 'I used the word satanic very broadly' makes you look more ignorant than the ones who probably are more so than you. If you're going to proselytize, please be a little more definitive. Also, I'd hate to believe a child molester who repents RIGHT before execution should be allowed into Heaven more so than an actual 'good' person who just doesn't believe in God.
Hiveslayer18989 1 month ago
@Hiveslayer18989
Excuse me for not being more definitive. LOL. Was that comment not posted a year ago? Why are you unearthing more conflict? It was simple vagueness, I wasn't attempting to mislead, and I didn't use a word that suggested a totally different meaning. With all due respect (of course), lighten up please.
8CaptainHowdy 1 month ago
@Hiveslayer18989
And, may I give you a more personal message on the whole child molester repenting thing? I wish I could go into depth, because I do in fact have a response to that, but of course, YouTube's character limit in comments is rather restricting.
I would like to clarify my position: I wish not to argue, and I CERTAINLY mean you absolutely no disrespect, hoss. However, I like a good healthy debate every now and again. May we ''continue this elsewhere''(i.e. via private inboxes)?
8CaptainHowdy 1 month ago
@8CaptainHowdy Chum? Hoss? I realize now my 'trucker-style' photo misleads people into assumptions of me. I am not wrong - God, God, & Allah (which means God). All three worship the One Creator of EVERYTHING with a set of rules to follow if you want eternal life after death. There's a reason the three are all branched close together, not to mention the majority of all three's histories take place in the same part of the world.
Hiveslayer18989 1 month ago
@Hiveslayer18989
No, I adress everyone like that.
And you forgot that each of these *seperate ''Gods'' have different commandments. ''These three's histories take place in the same part of the world'' doesn't prove that these cultures worship the same god/God. By that logic, two different subfields of science could be the same subfield, if they were both designed in, say, Oklahoma. No. The only thing similar to Islam and Christianity is they worship deities. That's as far as it goes.
8CaptainHowdy 1 month ago
@8CaptainHowdy That's why I said 'perceptions' of the same God. If there really is only ONE God, don't you think it's possible other individuals have seen or heard him/her, & just interpreted differently what certain rules are? Also, about the Oklahoma thing, they could be the same if they're similar. That's why the three get grouped together, because they're similar. It's not like you could lump plate tectonics in with monsoon seasons. They're not nearly as similar as the three big faiths.
Hiveslayer18989 1 month ago
@Hiveslayer18989
Oh, I most definitely think it's possible that people can perceive one God or one set of rules in varied ways. But, Allah tells Muslims to kill infadels. Jesus Christ tells Christians 'thou shall not kill'. You've got to be kidding if you think that's from the same God. At least, I HOPE you'd be kidding.
Is that at all similar?
8CaptainHowdy 1 month ago
@8CaptainHowdy The Quran does not indeed command it's followers to kill. You're thinking about the extremists that everyone brings up, AKA the terrorists. Just like every single Christian isn't trying to force their faith down other's throats, there are the few Islamic extremists that give the other believers a bad reputation. Also, I'd hate to believe the God you worship 'is thankful for IEDs' & 'hates fags'. Fair?
Hiveslayer18989 1 month ago
@Hiveslayer18989
Oh, then I was mistaken, my sincere apologies for bringing false information to the table. I was of the honest impression that the Quran encouraged that. Sorry!
No, the God I worship is not thankful for IEDs and He CERTAINLY does not hate homosexuals. Hey, neither do I. I don't agree with that lifestyle at all, and according to the Bible God doesn't either, but the whole 'God Hates Fags' campaign is awful! The Bible clearly states He loves the human race, just not the sin.
8CaptainHowdy 1 month ago
@8CaptainHowdy Just to clarify things, where exactly in the Bible does it say 'Thou shalt not conceive with a dandy'? I have heard that it's in the Bible ALL the time, but have never actually been given an example.
Hiveslayer18989 1 month ago
@Hiveslayer18989 Lev. 18:22: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination." Also, 1 Cor. 6:9-10: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
There are more verses, but I don't have room in the comment box.
8CaptainHowdy 1 month ago
@8CaptainHowdy Hmm, thanks for making this discussion beneficial to both our intellects. I did not know that was in the Bible. Well, unlike most of the immature children on youtube, I will admit - touche, my friend. Good lord, I've had to troll the stupidity out of trolls. Touche, my friend. Checkmate.
Hiveslayer18989 1 month ago
@Hiveslayer18989
Oh, I never do this for 'checkmates' over non-Christians, I just like to debate. Thank you for the discussion, and peace to you, hoss. :)
8CaptainHowdy 1 month ago
@8CaptainHowdy so where the fuck is your God?? Innocent people die everyday... priests abusing children and you still keep your false faith. Open your fuckin eyes or get the fuck out with your religion bullcrap.
OzzyRocksYourSocks 1 month ago
@OzzyRocksYourSocks
Well, my God is everywhere. (Except in Hell, of course.) Innocent people die everyday? Not God's fault, humanity's fault. :P Priests abuse children? Why point out priests, ALL types of people abuse children. The fact that this number is inclusive of priests isn't God's fault either. He never 'put' sin into our nature, Adam did. Humanity is to blame, since it's OUR free will.
Open your eyes, and close your mouth . . . at least, to the unintelligent language. Be respectful.
8CaptainHowdy 1 month ago
@8CaptainHowdy and @OzzyRocksYourSocks .....just agree to disagree?
MegaDragonbutt 1 month ago
@MegaDragonbutt
I'm willing. LOL. Totally.
8CaptainHowdy 1 month ago
@8CaptainHowdy if humanity is to blame why don't you go and kill yourself, you filthy sinner
nightmarex238 1 month ago
@nightmarex238
I assume that's a rhetorical question and further assume you're mocking me, but hey, it gives me a chuckle. XD I'll answer anyways.
The reason I, despite being a filthy sinner, don't kill myself is God loves me despite my sins and died so that I could HAVE a life, not to throw it away. Suicide is basically spitting in His face, tossing away a gracious gift that NOBODY, not even you, deserves.
8CaptainHowdy 1 month ago
@8CaptainHowdy what prayers of yours where ever answered by degrading others? You have your beliefs and I have mine but we're both human, we both live on the same planet, so whose to say your any different than the rest of us? Get off your religious high horse and start living your life before its to late "brother" :P
OzzyRocksYourSocks 4 weeks ago
@OzzyRocksYourSocks
It's not degradation, it's recognition that no one's perfect -- far from it, actually. On that can we agree? If we're not perfect, then it stands to reason we don't deserve mercy from a PERFECT God (if one such God exists). You know what I'm saying? I said NO ONE deserves the gift of life, and the words 'no one' are inclusive of me. I'm not different than any of you in the sense that I'm just as unworthy. The difference is I'm forgiven. That's what being a Christian is.
8CaptainHowdy 3 weeks ago 2
@8CaptainHowdy I can't forgive your God for letting this world turn the way it did and the fact that you come on to a video and start seperating people according to their beliefs doesn't help anything. MY God is a reasonable guy, he'd understand if ppl lost faith in him after a couple thousands of years. :p
OzzyRocksYourSocks 3 weeks ago
@OzzyRocksYourSocks
God doesn't need your forgiveness, He's GOD. And, 'letting' the world turn this way? If we have free will and we caused the world to become as it is, and God also would not rob us of the GIFT of free will, we have the choice to change the world with His love. It's either let sin run its course and take those who choose follow Him or take away the blessing of CHOICE. I'd rather keep my free will, thanks. Blaming God is the worst thing anyone can do, it's pointless.
8CaptainHowdy 3 weeks ago
@8CaptainHowdyBut Christ says to Forgive. Never in the Bible does the word "free will" appear, not even once. We either go w/ Christ or you don't. But as for me, according to HIS Word, I'm w/ Christ~ 1 Timothy~ Listening to this music WILL NOT SEND YOU TO HELL, but ungodly actions& not receiving HIs Son will. Be not deceived. Mankind deceives himself w/ all sorts of words that God nor Christ wrote or commanded. Take it out of context all ya want. God is TRUTH &HIS WILL, Will BE done regardless!
kittyscratchesboo 2 weeks ago
@kittyscratchesboo
No, the phrase free will in the Bible does not appear, but see these verses?
"...Choose today whom you will serve" ...Joshua 24:15
"...So choose life in order that you may live."... Deuteronomy 30:19
"...Choose good"... Isaiah 7:15
"...You did evil in My sight and chose what displeases Me"...
Isaiah 65:12
"...Choose knowledge rather than gold"... Proverbs 8:10
The idea of free will is woven throughout the whole Good Book.
Why are you telling a CHRISTIAN this?
8CaptainHowdy 2 weeks ago
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@8CaptainHowdy His Word is not interpreted as "free will". HE said Choose. Nothing in HIs book encourages us Towards "Free Will". Why are YOU telling a Christian that? He said not to add or subtract from his words at all. I know the scriptures and I am glad that since you have placed them here, you are now spreading the Word of God. I made my choice, not out of free will, mind you, but out of truth. Many things conflict the spirit, racism, hate, all of these things. Listen to the lyrics.
kittyscratchesboo 1 week ago
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@8CaptainHowdy Please re-read the New Testament about what will send you to hell. Re-read that all things are allowed but not all are beneficial. My relationship w/ Christ is not going to be affected by listening to this because of the Freedom that I have in Christ. I have Grace& Why are we talking about this. This is going nowhere. I don't have time to explain this. Just go & read the NT alone. I like this song. God created the person who created this song. I am free In Christ! Not Free Will
kittyscratchesboo 1 week ago
@kittyscratchesboo
Oh, and listening to this song would not directly send you to Hell, but it is negatively influential and the ideas are conflicting with the spirit. If you follow God, that is.
8CaptainHowdy 2 weeks ago
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@8CaptainHowdy That would be the long and the true and the bottom line of it , bro'..it's all in the difference (that's b/c MANY are CALLED and FEW are CHOSEN)....
kittyscratchesboo 3 weeks ago
@OzzyRocksYourSocks Cap's got a point...it's Adams fault...God gave us a free will and Adam basically fucked it up for us all....so God came down in the form as Jesus and died for our sins.....so that when we go to Heaven all our sins will b forgotten..Get the Devil out of your head man..he's clouding u from the Light and Truth of our savior Jesus Christ
dorian120723 1 month ago
@dorian120723
Amen, amigo. :)
8CaptainHowdy 1 month ago
@dorian120723 when was the last time your savior did anything for us?? if anything my thoughts are clearer than most, I know the cold hard truth and i'll admit its not easy to accept but its not healthy to lie to yourself. If there's ever a nuclear apocalypse, i'm gonna write a new bible and store it safely somewhere in a fire proof safe so that sum dumbass can find it thousands of years later and live his life by it. It'll be hilarious.
OzzyRocksYourSocks 4 weeks ago
@8CaptainHowdy Oh, one more thing. I'd almost assume you look down on Judaism & Islam, but did you know - ALL of you believe in the same God? The 3 main religions all perceive him differently, so that's why there are different versions of one God. Ever think YOU'RE wrong & you're going to Hell instead? Even if you thought you heard God speak to you, maybe it was Allah, & because of your faith, you perceived it as the Holy Father? John Forbes Nash, Jr. proves the mind CAN play tricks on you.
Hiveslayer18989 1 month ago
@Hiveslayer18989
Firstly, you are wrong. We do not perceive the same God. :P Jesus Christ at no point says that if you kill all infadels, you'll receive however many virgins when you enter Heaven. (And don't try the 'Oh, He asked Abraham to kill his son Isaac' stuff. He was testing Abraham's obedience and wouldn't have allowed Abraham to go through with it. Ever heard of the Ten Commandments? 'Thou shall not kill'.)
Yes, I'm familiar with John Nash, yes, the mind is a tricky thing.
8CaptainHowdy 1 month ago
@gavion81
Ohh, so you are of the belief that people who have different theistic opinions than you are not at right to have opinions? You're bigoted, prejudiced and blind to others' sensitivities. I'm not particularly surprised (just dissapointed) that you have no social graces. Do you realize how unintelligent the sentence "Blind followers like yourself should not have an opinion" makes you sound? Come on, use the brain God gave you. I'm sure you can do better than that if you make an effort.
8CaptainHowdy 6 months ago
@gavion81
You're pretty quick to respond to a comment made eight months ago. Very mature.
"Bible thumper"? That's so original, I'm baffled. Where do you come up with these creative little jabs and insults?
Furthermore, I am letting people believe what they believe. Do you see me going out like some Muslim terrorist bomber and killing people for not believing in my God? Just like you, I ALSO have a right to believe what I believe, and speak my opinion. You'd do well to keep that in mind.
8CaptainHowdy 7 months ago 3
i personaly love what it stands for religion or not to me it has a meaning to my personal life thumbs up for me.....
youngbearregina 7 months ago
Why the fuck are you idiots having a religious argument? Just listen to the awesome music and chill the fuck out.
firestarwarrior12853 8 months ago 45
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@firestarwarrior12853 This is about the evil ghost who come back again, and again, and again in a different body, waiting to get what they want for many years until your body comes down the pike, alive, fresh, waiting, to get you, to drag to DOWN!
kittyscratchesboo 3 weeks ago
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@kittyscratchesboo So the ghost demons never fall because they have your fresh and innocent soul to take, and take and take and take.
kittyscratchesboo 3 weeks ago
@firestarwarrior12853 The beat of the song makes you want to fight all there is that's WRONG and fucked up with life. It makes you want to live and fight!
kittyscratchesboo 2 weeks ago
Man, some of these people have NO IDEA what this song is about. It's not about being Godless! OMFG! hahahahahaha.
iEatBoneDust 9 months ago
ever holy shit \m/
ikdsjOFFICIAL 1 year ago
Used to like this song until I saw these lyrics and realized the twisted, satanic message. Fuck Mudvayne. *Thumbs down*
8CaptainHowdy 1 year ago
@8CaptainHowdy please explain how exactly this song has a "twisted satanic message"? last time i checked this song seems to be more about not letting people push you around.... so when exactly does being a strong person and not letting people fuck with you become a satanic message? its time people like you learned not to analyze things you don't fucking understand
wes2277 1 year ago 17
@wes2277
Ahhh, but it is that you don't understand the song the way I do. To support my claim, did you know that Mudvayne is Athiest? Not saying that's wrong, but they further say in this song that being Godless is being free, which is mocking religion, specifically Christianity. Therefore, it is Satanic. Check out the lyrics. Also, note: "Sinners, casting stones at me". Mudvayne's using the term against others and victimizing themselves, in a way saying they're sinless. That's how I feel.
8CaptainHowdy 1 year ago
@8CaptainHowdy I would like to point out that being atheist does not necessarily make you satanic. Even if the point of the song is that freedom is equal to being godless. It doesn't support any satanic principles.
AMDavila91 1 year ago
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@AMDavila91
If you're not with God, you are against Him. Therefore, you are with Satan, unbeknown to yourself or otherwise. Satanism.
8CaptainHowdy 1 year ago
@8CaptainHowdy If you think this song offends your religion then why are you even listening to it?
50yer 1 year ago
@50yer
Before I took the time to listen to the actual lyrics, I liked this song, LOL. Then it occurred to me what it meant, and I no LONGER even listen to it. XD
8CaptainHowdy 1 year ago
@wes2277 Dude it is the very opposite of the message. Don't they gget it, it's like the fucking demons, be they inside or outside, keep dragging him down, but he is not not falling for the shit, he is going to stand, he will not give his blood for no one but to save himself...Jesus shed HIS blood for man already, why should man keep shedding blood if Christ did so once and for all. The singer is fighting against the darkness and he's fighting with a vengeance just as we all should. NOT FALLING
kittyscratchesboo 2 weeks ago
the bass player is awesome
helltarek 1 year ago
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<3 this song.
xXMissBloodyMurderXx 2 years ago