Tim VanOrden on supplement use

[juicysmysoup]

hi tim thanks for taking some minutes on this. i think we can add there's content really in maturity of item for gain as well. & we don't have to push a button either nor pills to expedite. things can combine to be more finished in morning even or fuller foliage may air dry days to crumble from chore chew but have new benefit like baby greens tenderly invite value. also if we trust to have enough a posite thought may retain catalyzed conduit condition vs deplete sustenaince to stressed. carolyn

[8thLifeable]

@fathomless: was referring to a contradiction with the next video "were we designed to eat meat"? (his answer "who cares?")

But here he goest on about the importance of eating foods as we were designed to. (so here he does think it's a good idea to care. So is it significant or not significant what we were designed to eat?)

The people who sell supplements could answer the question "Were we designed to eat supplements?" with "Who cares? We live in a globalized economy .. " etc.

[FathomlessJoy]

@8thLifeable The answer of "who cares" is rather to mean: "Why spend our lives arguing like children over it? Is not the point to have 100% health and wellness, to have compassion and intelligence in how we treat others and the planet?"

The more we try to argue about who and what we are, the more our species, and all species suffers.

[8thLifeable]

This completely contradicts what he says in "were we designed to eat meat" !! (am I the only one to notice this??)

[FathomlessJoy]

@8thLifeable I didn't notice a contradiction at all. At the end of "Were we designed to eat meat?" he said, "Fuel from plants is superior." Is this what you are talking about? This is most likely a different way of saying, "Plants provide the body with superior fuel." That is how I took it. Tim VO is ALL about raw, whole veggies and fruits. Trying to catch him in a contradiction on this basic principle will be tough/futile.

[LeppardPrintAnimal]

doesn't he even take b12?

[MrReflus]

Tim Van Orden thats a Dutch name

[stevekdt1]

Specificity what a word

[RochelleHansonMusic]

I am SO your new biggest fan.

[DoctoriOrdi]

Funny.....me for president ???

van Orden.

[herc410]

in the analogy he used, why does the car go faster than the person, he makes no sense. logically if the car (which represents the faster person) has more muscle(which is usually the case as muscle is after all what propels a runner), the person eating and thus gaining more muscle will make them faster(not without training of course)

[zzoot]

What works for him and his preffered sport may not work for everyone. His word is not gospel folks! What about all the runners that smoke him in a race? Are they following his diet plan?

[surfitbig]

Ha Ha... "there are over 100,000 phytonutrients out there, but only 500 have been discovered". Yeah... OK... I wanna use that same logic to tell my bank, "I have over $100,000 in my account, but only $500 is showing". Btw, it looks like you might want to supplement with Whey protein. Each muscle cell holds potential energy for long runs...don't let yourself waste away.

[rawgosia]

Perfect explanation Tim!

:)))

[fuclcjewtube]

his arms are so bloody skinny....

[Averagebum2]

He's a runner, an endurance athlete.

[dddux]

These things are absolutely logical, but people are just not ready to except that as well as the whole raw/vegan/vegetarian philosophy. Christian, meat eater, myth follower, republican, wasp - sounds familiar? Is it you? Your neighbour? You like to be a sheep? Listen to yourself, not your neighbour, not your local priest, but first devise a new logic... it will take a generation or two, but humanity will be 100% vegan one day, I am absolutely sure of that fact

[zzoot]

@dddux Im not a sheep but a sheep dog! You go live your utopian philosophy and I'll be right here ensuring you can do so! Funny how you pick on Christians (one of which I am not) and go on to talk about your "new logic" which sounds like a religion in it's own right

[Jerusalemorbabylon]

There's something about an apple that makes it an apple. There's something about a banana that makes it a banana.

[nc2714]

so if we eat a whole car we'll go faster...

[rogelio67]

@nc2714 hehe,,, 

[highlander2107]

If this is all true, give me a diet that will increase muscle without protein if I lift for an hour 4 days a week.

[zuphu]

Whole foods > synthetic supplements

Though there are whole food supplements...

[ACEBAKER911]

They ' claim' their Products are Whole food supplements, but are they really ? Are they telling us the Truth ?

im talking about e3Live, Vitamineral Green, Pure Synergy, MSM etc.

[RawFitChris]

Ace

I stopped taking them 30 years ago. God bless David W- all I can say is, "Whatever"

[ACEBAKER911]

Chris

Have you ever experimented with Powdered MSM , and if so what is your Opinion about it ?

Its promoted and Advocated all the time by Most Raw Food gurus and Teachers

[RawFitChris]

Ace- I have not taken any supplements for the last 25 years. I feel fine and honestly have moved on. I like to simplify health, not complicate it.

[ACEBAKER911]

very interesting,  i appreciate your Honesty

thanks Chris

[RawFitChris]

Tim I love it. The SYMPHONY of nutrients - the out-dated term "synergy" comes to mind. I have not taken ANY supplements for 25 years-- I do not eat engines. You are not speaking on deaf ears. My clients get it. I get it. Anyone who goes totally raw gets it. Ahhh but that dreaded CHANGE factor-- that is the only thing that should be encapsulated- the willingness to change-- it should be given in injection form to all people!

[ACEBAKER911]

Chris

What is your Opinion of Raw guys like DAVID WOLFE who advocate and encourage Huge supplement use ?

[Kiddowesth]

Oh, I also sometimes eat cottage cheese .

[Kiddowesth]

Take supplements away from Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler and others , and lets see if they think its bulk. They DO help us . Grow bigger, stronger and recover faster .

[GodSpeedDevilsRage]

I think he is talking shit to bro but bodybuilders take steroids, so your talking shit 2

[Kiddowesth]

But I havn't taken steroids ?

So does that not make me a bodybuilder?

A bit ignorant to say all bodybuilders take roids ?

[GodSpeedDevilsRage]

... ronnie coleman... no steroids?

[ACEBAKER911]

Coleman, Cutler and many others will be Probably be Dead by the time they are 65.

If they do happen to Live past 65 , they will be very aged, Diseased and in alot of Pain.

The Diets that typical Bodybuilders eat are very destructive to the body on a physiological Level.

the Only reason they get away with it is they are relatively Young. Feed that kind of Diet to an older person with a Disease and they'll be dead in 2 weeks.

[ACEBAKER911]

Eat correctly, and you wont need supplements

[Kiddowesth]

To ACEBAKER911:

When you're trying to cram down 5-6 balanced meals a day, taking a protein and creatine shake after a hard workout is just easier.

You how easy it is to write "Eat correctly, and you wont need supplements" but to do it is a completely different thing.

All the best !

[ACEBAKER911]

Dont eat like a Body builder, they are Morons !

Eat for Strength, Health, and Vibrant appearance and energy with a long disease free life

Sure you'll get Strong eating a Body builders diet, but that type of diet is 1 sided, other than strength, its all downhill

That diet will severely age you prematurely and wear out your Organs and tissues and you'll be diseased in alot of Pain, or dead by age 60

Not a smart way to eat

[Kiddowesth]

To ACEBAKER911:

So what you're telling me is that if I eat 5-6 small meals everyday being a mixure of: chicken breast, tuna, rice, sweet potato, veg, oats, water, bananas, creatine/protein shakes and 2-4 litres of water, Im heading for a slow and painful death.

Is that what you're saying? Please be so!

[ACEBAKER911]

wanna do  ALOT better ?

Eat 100 % Raw Vegan

[Austin333]

Think he may have oversimplified things there.... Interesting how he considers himself an athlete and yet appears to know nothing about how an effective supplementation programme can affect performance. Plus he's funny looking.

[ACEBAKER911]

Are supplements needed to achieve an excellent high level of Health ? NO

But can they be an advantage and useful in certain situations and conditions if someone has the extra money to afford their high cost ?

Yea probably

[Austin333]

Was only really concerned with athletes to be honest. Agree with you.

[ACEBAKER911]

check out the videos of another Raw Vegan Athlete on here, DURIAN RIDER

[ACEBAKER911]

Just type in the search

PRIMAL DIET IS FOR FREAKS

and his videos will show up

[Austin333]

Better than VanOrden. Fruit is a good source of carbohydrates as a general rule. Talking about calorific intake is outdated to be honest. The body only recognizes nutrients. 100 cals of protein will not have the same effect on the body as 100 cals fat. He can claim he's elite but unless he's beating the very best, he isn't entitled to do so. Ignoring research showing supplements taken at the correct time improves performance is naive at best. Good point about the protein on 'protein deficient?'.

[guderianpz]

Without supplements how do you prevent pernicious anemia, caused by vitamin B12 deficiency?

[MayanMonkey]

spirulina

[ACEBAKER911]

e3live algae

Vitamineral Green

google them

[ACEBAKER911]

NO supplements, you dont need them to be healthy

all you have to do is make sure you eat 100 percent Organic with ALOT of greens, and you'll be fine

[TheGreat911HOAX]

Van Orden for President !

[pharkinsjr0051]

This guy is a idiot, it is simply impossible to get all the bitamins and nutrients from food alone.

[ilesram]

First try this diet... then you'll find out that the idiot was you. I'm having great results too with this diet. So before tell someone "your an idiot", try it with your self.

[jblaz1024]

eat raw vegan organic food

[blackdog435]

I agree with you that he's full of it, generally but here he does make good points. You can get what you need from foods alone.

However, almost every vegetarian and/or vegan I have met have poor diets. Not poor in the sense of eating junk food, but poor in terms of lacking sufficient micro and macro nutrients; usually iron, calcium and things that come from non-vegetarian food.

It's interesting that a group of people who are generally health concious can know so much yet not apply it.

[zuphu]

the vegan diet is rich in iron and calcium, much more so than a typical meat and milk diet...

There are many different sources of calcium other then dairy products. Dairy isn't even a good source of calcium. Only like 1/3 of is absorbed due to the Ca/Mg ratios.

[coolantmanuscript]

I REALLY wish Time VanOrden was my science teacher.

[ernietube1]

Try to understand that this diet can be quite disastrous for some people. High sugar diets are a complete no go for pre diabetics and diabetics. Unfortunately, some people have been advocating RAW or VEGAN to these people. Please resist doing this

[2connection]

Dude, the Avg. Ameican standard diet can be very disastrous also ! Your comment is only half true

You never know till u try

[ernietube1]

Give this guy a BIG MISS.

He pretends to be an "expert" with his school teacher presentation. But he is essentially an idiot !

[Mongodelight]

maybe.. but he tells the truth. i know it from experience.

[ernietube1]

Problem is "truth" does not tie in with reality. You don't need any supplements with a complete, well balanced diet. 

Foods like like raw potatoes contain "resistant" starches which pass uselessly through the small intestines without digestion. ANY ENZYMES in these raw foods cannot break up these "resistant" starches. If these non existent enzymes could digest starches from RAW food, please contact the food manufacturers- they would pay a fortune for them.

[jeffsst]

yea that would be good for we would not get fat but will give you the satisfaction.

well balanced diet?? eating 3 times a day is actually pretty ridiculous if you watch it purely on the science of free energry. we over consume vast quantities out of ignorance and greed!

i believe his amino acid explanation (taking in proteins is a waste of time), his enzyme absorption theory is pure bullshit!

i am gonna test it :D ill let you know! i hope i am still alive in four months...

[jeffsst]

yea does it word, what you eat. i am gonna get that body!

[Morelli415]

You're a tool, how bout the people eat right and supplement later? because they are supplements; supplement your diet.

Also you aren't strong or muscular. Eat more food and eat more protein.

[rcarty]

He's a runner moron.

[2connection]

Hes 5' 9" 160 lbs

[bantone]

If you think you can eat like shit and supplement to balance out your diet then I agree. We all know the supplement industry is full of hype but I don't think we should demonize them.

Most of our food does not possess the complete nutrient profile that you think is in there simply because of how modern agriculture has evolved. Think about that a bit.

[mrjimmypayjo]

that's why we should eat organic food. preferably local organic food grown ourselves

[bantone]

Organic meats is where its at.

[mrjimmypayjo]

ummm... I'd say organic raw vegan lifestyle is where it's at...

[bantone]

Keep your vegan lifestyle. I'll just eat the organic meat you don't eat.

[2connection]

The Animals eat the Greens and then you kill the Animal and eat it.

I Prefer to just eat the Greens 1st and skip the Animal , thanks ; )

Its more compassionate, Kinder, Healthier, More Natural , More ecological and more Sane way of Life and Relating to my fellow man and the world at large

take care

[organicfilms81]

2connection is right. Animal proteins are second class proteins, plants are the only thing on the planet able to synthetize proteins from the minerals in air, soil and water, and therefore everything else on Earth live on plants. Humans can choose the clean source (fruits, greens, nuts) or the toxic wastes from nature (corpses) that are degenerative. Meateaters are poor and sad necrophagous, human graveyards.

[quietstorm403]

Thanks, i agree with you totally

[AutoYorn1]

So Vitamineral Green, Pure Synergy , or other Green Powders Spirulina in a Jar are a Fraud ?

[organicfilms81]

Not really, why? these are vegetal raw proteins right ? But, imho, they're not necessary. Although, it may depends on each individual needs, some raw vegan bodybuilders say they don't gain muscles without these supplements you mentioned. May be true I don't know.

[2connection]

i would luv to Purchase Tims full seminars on DVD or audio CD and hear the entire lectures. Perhaps if we all collectively let him know there is a Large Demand, he can make them avialiable ?

Just an idea, as i enjoy the videos so much, but they're too short and id like very much to hear the ENTIRE lecture ! If anyone out there feels same way, write to Tim as i did and request this.

thanks

[organicfilms81]

2connection, man that's an awesome idea. To be frank, I watch Tim's videos so often and I show the links to so many people (especially this video about supplements and the one on proteins are brillant). Sure it would be great that these videos get sold everywhere

[2connection]

I know hes an excellent teacher. The Huge problem with these videos here is they are way too short and a small part of his seminar, i suppose if we begin to all write him and request it, than it will happen

[quietstorm403]

Just take VITAMINERAL GREEN

[2connection1]

Its interesting though that Dr. Brian Clement would totally disagree with tim on this

[cwoolworth62page]

i agree that plats are definitely more deathly than meat but especially in sports like football where size is important and you want to bulk up meat is important

[organicfilms81]

cwoolworth62, meat to bulk ? why? You just need calories and proteins to bulk, and there's this in plant based foods. Eat some bagels, bread, pastas, avocados, bananas, dates, nuts, vegan chocolate and chips, and come back telling me that you don't weight 300 pounds after this.

[cwoolworth62page]

its really just your choice weather to eat meat or not

[AlanKeyes2]

i choose Not to eat animals, its illogical, Unnatural totally Unnecessary and quite cruel

[blackdog435]

As to it being illogical, we have evolved to be omnivorous. If it were unnessecary, it would have not been passed down.

It's quite natural to eat animals. We have done it for millenia.

It may not be nessecary in this day and age, true. As to it being cruel, nature isn't very kind. You devour to survive. Everything does even to the microscopic.

The weaker species gets eaten which is the predator-prey relationship which has existed since the existance of said predators and prey.

[tranquil87]

Reiteration of the same worthless information that omnivorous try to convince themselves of to sleep better at night.

[LHOs911Lies]

raw vegans use for healthy teeth a product called

ORAMD

google it

[LHOs911Lies]

Humans are naturally Organic Raw Vegans

[AlanKeyes2]

David Wolfe sells alot of Expensive supplements that he claims are supposedly 'raw' and are loaded with all kinds of Nutrients.

My question is a simple one, just as we can all take our Water to a Facility to have it independently Tested and Analyzed as to its specific contents,

Is there any Place out there that Independently and Scientifically 'tests' Nutritional Products so that we can know if we are being lied to or not ?

I cant be the Only asking this question and wondering !

[organicfilms81]

Sure there's places like that. It depends where you live, but you can surely send a sample to a private lab, it will cost you some money though. Try universities' labs.

[AlanKeyes2]

i am in Northeast PA, perhaps Penn State Main campus Lab would do such a test ?

Would they be able to test for exact specific Vitamin , Minteral, Antioxidant, enzyme and phytonutrient count ?

[OrganicVegan1]

Tim Van Orden speaks truth

[raoulduke25]

I certainly don't agree with Tim on everything, but this clip is simply fantastic! Eat the apple, eat the core, eat the skin, chew it and swallow it all. The analogy was brilliant.

[ALANKEYES4president]

raw Supplements are a Hoax for the most part in my Opinion.

They are greatly overstressed and overemphasized for Money !

[McCainISaLiberal]

Rauld, just curious , what dont you agree with him about ?

[raoulduke25]

I don't agree that humans need no protein. If we didn't, mother's milk wouldn't have a third of its calories from protein. But it does. Tim makes some very good points. Eating raw is a good principle.

And he doesn't have "zero body fat" - that's a lie. He likely has 4 to 6% at least. And he's obviously an ectomorph and you can't build an entire theory of nutrition based on one person. Like I said, good guy, but I don't agree with everything he says.

[McCainISaLiberal]

ahhh yes the PROTEIN MYTH video, its causing quite a stir yes. I think people are Missing what hes saying. You are taking it too Literal.

Hes not stating in the purely 'technical' sense that he has no bodyfat , as obviously every Human being on the earth has some body fat. I am very lean compared to SAD population and i myself will say i have 'no body fat' to strongly get my idea across when what i really mean is i have very little body fat. Dont get too tripped up on all this.

[Celestiallion]

yes you are taking it too literally. our mothers milk has more protein than normal because that is the point in our life when we need to grow the most in the shortest period of time.

[raoulduke25]

Tim said that protein is not necessary to grow - only amino acids. So if babies need to grow the most in that time, they should not be getting protein, but rather lots of amino acids. Tim said it is a MYTH that protein helps you grow. Even your own position is contrary to Tim's.

[Celestiallion]

once again..too literal. i made that point to try and find logic in your opinion. however, i don't believe protein is very necessary for growth. I have read that our mothers milk contains 2-3% of protein, and that is when we are doing the most growth, whether it's relevant or not. the fact is that any food contains some protein, but we don't need to purposely add protein. the small amounts of protein from fruits and vegetables is sufficient. Sorry for the contradiction.

[daveismyreligion]

What did I miss? When did he say this?

[raoulduke25]

Look up Tim's video entitled, "The Protein Myth".

[daveismyreligion]

I did. I think he was sort of kidding about the 0% body fat thing...don't you?

[canadianwargod]

just wanted to add that mother's milk is around 7% protein. I don't think he's saying he doesn't need protein. he's saying he gets all the amino acids (what proteins are broken down into) from fruits and vegetables.

Dr. Douglas Graham wrote the 80/10/10 diet where ideally we should be eating 80% carbs from fruits and veggies, 10% fat, 10% protein. We don't need tons of protein to live a healthy life. In fact, it seems we do better with the seemingly small amount found in fruits and veggies

[raoulduke25]

And Dr. Barry Sears wrote the 40/30/30 diet which has been used by Olympic athletes for years to attain very high levels of performance. I think you are right that the average sedentary person would do well to eat a lot of raw vegetables, but athletes do benefit from having higher amounts of protein. I don't know of anybody that could clean and jerk three times his body weight eating only raw vegetables.

[tztzsad]

1,5 % PROTEIN in mothers milk. 3,5 % in cow milk. if u give ur child cow milk it will grow much faster. But the problem is that cowmilk is 1. deadcooked without enzymes and 2. isnt designed to digest from human beeings. So the child will grow faster and higher but it will get very sick.

[DuncanHunter1]

a book needs to be written called : THE HUGE RAW SUPPLEMENT HOAX: HOW TO CON MILLIONS OF $ FROM WELL MEANING HEALTH ENTHUSIASTS.

SUN IS SHINING = a Waste of $ 60 for 10 measely ounces of Lifeless Dead dried up Garbage and Vegetable Refuse designed to make the Wolfeman Wealthy. Its that simple. Turn off David Wolfe's salesmanship Hypnotism charisma and turn on Common sense

[DARTAGNANS170]

You are a fool!

[rawgosia]

Brilliant! Lol! :)

[WIGNSWORD]

Dearest Conservatives08 (Dearee-me what a concept!), this is Wignsword (Satan for President!):--I question NOTHING minimally removed from Nature (like Nature's First Food) whereby 'minimal removal' is defined by most other "foods" (ordure?) consumed by humanity today. I personally enjoy Nature's First Food (aka The Sun Is Shining)and think that Van Orden and his bandwagon should redirect their energy to the real problem: S.A.D. Welladay! What poppycock this all is!

[DuncanHunter1]

Conserv08 is Correct ! This whole 'Raw Supplement' Scam needs to be Exposed. I personally know of many well meaning but totally gullible Health enthusiasts spending over $ 1,000 a Month just on so called 'raw' Supplements ! These people are being Robbed thinking they are getting Nutrition that is superior to Regular Organic Produce. THAT IS A BOLDFACE LIE, SHAME ON YOU DAVID WOLFE ! ole' Wolfeman is about making $, Not about telling the truth. SAD and raw supplements are BOTH a scam !

[Conservatives08]

We are 'told' by the Makers that 1 Serving of Nat 1st food Green Powder, and others Contain so much Real Useable Vital Vit C, Beta Carotene, Bs, Minerals..Ca,Na,Zn,Si, Live enzymes etc. But how do we know we are being told the truth ? Does anyone ever question the Science and validity of these wild unsubstantiated claims ? How can a dead dry Lifeless Powder in a bottle on a shelf have the same Lifeforce, integrity as a Fresh living Bunch of Kale or Parsley, Celery etc ?

[Conservatives08]

Im very Curious, just as we can easily take our Water to a treatment center and have it Scientifically tested as to its composition, Is there anywhere as consumers, we can take a bottle of so called 'raw green powder' and have it Officially Tested to find out if the Marketing claims are really true , as to their containing a Specific Amt. of real Vit C, Bs, Calcium, Enzymes, Aminos etc. ? What a concept, has anyone ever thought of it

[WIGNSWORD]

...well, actually, as soon as I can afford 'Nature's First Food' again, I will buy it. I did like the taste (like sipping a primordial-energy swamp!) and it made me feel GOOD! Sorry, guys, but I like seaweeds and my latest obsession is POWDERED KELP!!

[Conservatives08]

Tim and Victoria Boutenko Agree, that its foolish and wasteful to spend $ 60 for a tiny 10 oz Jar of Powdered Dehydrated 'food', instead of spending that same $ on Fresh Organic Green Vegs and Sea Vegs. Heres My question. How is it Possible inside that Jar in a dry 'Powder' are all the Lifeforce, Enzymes, Vitamins, Minerals, Aminos, etc all intact and just as Vital as in Fresh Form from the Garden or Sea ?? That concept sounds totally illogical and against my own common sense.

[Conservatives08]

I must say NF food at $ 60 for only 10 oz plus shipping costs, is OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive. Another popular product thats claimed to be Raw is PURE SYNERGY. That one is only 12 oz, and is almost $ 70 with shipping !!!! My opinion so far is that these overpriced DEAD foods in a bottle falsely labeled 'raw' are scams and schemes for income. I challenge anyone out there to explain to me how inside that bottle with the Living water Removed, all the sensitive Nutrients and co factors are intact ?

[DARTAGNANS170]

Have yo even tried sun is shinning or pure synergy? Have you ever tried raw goji berrie extract. They are so outrageously powerful that on the first day of taking them you can see your health exploding to new heights. The probiotics alone are outstanding, they have changed my intestinal health permanently. I am a 100% raw vegan. Sun is shinning is my favorite supplement. If you keep arguing with sophistical arguments, soon, nobody will listen to you.

[WIGNSWORD]

The dictum 'We should eat the food not the supplement' is MOSTLY TRUE most of the time but it is NOT DOGMA. Can we really say that 'holism/wholism is the only approach for each and every case all the time'?? I think not. I have heard this argument before, originally from Nature's First Law who, upon the maturing of the founders to their mid-twenties, quickly changed their approach. Some skepticism please! Oh, and this is from one who FEELS NO NEED FOR SUPPLEMENTS!

[Conservatives08]

GREEN powders are only useful or Needed when you are travelling and dont have access to Green foods. Thats the bottom Line. As for MSM, Tim claims to have thoroughly tested it on himself and felt no Effect from it at all, and thinks that too is a total waste of $ and a marketing gimmick. Is it possible that this whole entire Raw supplement Market is mostly just a scheme to get others Rich ?

[ryanscottlove]

Not sure I'm 100% in agreement. (Probably 99%) That being said.... I 100% love the metaphor!!!

[nkavanaugh]

thank you!

[thrivesurvive]

bravo!

May I ask, what is your opinion on seaweeds and dehydrated, powdered foods like those found in Nature's First Food? I would consider those a food, in a way, maybe, because I don't eat those items in their whole form. Would I be better off just eating weeds? I would prefer to eat weeds to paying $60 for a jar of green powder, which tastes nasty anyway.

[Conservatives08]

Wouldnt you like to witness how these green powders are processed ? My point is the makers are never made to prove their claims, everyone just Assumes they are true

[thrivesurvive]

i agree. you have to put your faith in the people who make it. maybe we could take a field trip to the farm and factories to find out how they do it first hand. i wish!

[Aartam1995]

Awesome vid and my thoughts exactly. That was always my issue with the health food movement. If you have to take supplements then you aren't getting everything you need in your diet. I'm all for exclusively finding the nutrients you need in the food you eat. Great job!

[runningraw]

Thanks. It's more like the "health food industry" than "health food movement". The only movement is from our dollars into their pockets for products that we don't need.

[bantone]

The FDA is the bigger villain to American consumers and overall health.

Supplements are just that, SUPPLEMENTS to a proper diet to help balance out your nutrient ratios and maintain health. I do see your point.

[RUSHFANN1]

Millions of $ are changing hands out there on supplements and Incredible 'claims' are made for those that are supposedly Raw . This is Brilliant stuff, id luv to Hear this Entire seminar !