Without evidence, without witnesses and no opponents present , any one can tell any thing especially humans likes to tell heroic acts even to lie to show off on a situations happened 40 years ago ,based on what this channel produced these documentaries, with out the opponents present this is a bullshit propaganda
Wrong this battle happened before the 6 day war (June 1967); this battle was called Operation Shredder or in Arabic Samu Incident which took place November 13, 1966. The battle happened in the Jordanian Canyon called the Mujeb Valley not in the Sinai desert.
@TheGK2009 They did say it was on the 13th, and I didn't hear them mentioning the Sinai desert. Anyway, if you have a good source for the tale of this battle, I'd be glad if you shared it.
you see that part i have never heard before but i wont question your credibility i will simply check your sources, another thing why are you on the defensive all the time calm down i am not attacking you i would like to find a solution to the situation as much as u do maybe if we come to an understanding and we both become presidents someday we can put an end to the conflict that is my purpose of this discussion
@skyhound2009 I'm not sure what "situation" you're speaking of. You claim to be from Egypt, and as far as I know, these days Israel and Egypt have no political issues. Anyway, I'm "on the defense" all the time because your claims are an insult to my people's past. In the first place, this documentary video wasn't supposed to be an invitation for political accusations.
I'd hate to be a president, but if that's your aim, good luck.
@FireStorm81318 let suppose that you are right for a moment where were the jews before 1948, werent many of them still in Palestine living like everybody else. what changed in order to bring in massive firepower and claim by force and death?
@skyhound2009 You don't need to "suppose". Go check the history of the Jewish settlement. And the Jews didn't bring firepower, those were the Arabs who assaulted them and forced them to fight back. The Jews used whatever they had for their self defense, if you need examples to read about - search the words "Kapap" (Israeli-invented martial arts), or "1929 massacre in Hebron"
I love this airforce officers ,they fought with eachothers but they speak with respect and honour a bout their opponents and not like some trash comments you see from people on you tube
@FireStorm81318 .. agreed!... but this mavouverability notwithstanding... diving into a canyon in the sinai takes real guts... they are narrow and crooked... not like the grand canyon...
@hellboy110585: the name of the guy was Mwoafeq Al Saltee; he was one of the best pilots and he was 1st Lieutenant when he got killed in that battle November 1966.
@skyhound2009 Israel destroyed 400 out of 450 arab planes on the ground at the begginning of six days war, some of the arab plane survived (and were promptly shot down in dogfights later in the war)
I always wondered what fighters they used, since I only knew about the Mirage III interceptors I figured they must have fighter models that I had never heard about, and that the myth of their use of Mirage 3s as fighters was just ignorance. How they win gun battles with interceptors was a mystery to me. Following that plane in the canyon is the gutsiest move by a pilot I can think of, but maybe those delta wings have accidental attributes that allow such flying(?)
@constructivereconcil The IAF air combat doctrine had ACM as one of its strong points. That was rare on the 60´s when the thought among most modern airforces was that missiles would make dogfighting a thing of the past thus making ACM an obsolete skill.
The Mirage III was an aircraft capable of amazing speeds (Match 2.2) which means a lot of energy, and energy is the key of dogfighting. For a pilot well versed on ACM such a plane is a deadly weapon, manoeuvrable or not.
What I've learned from watching Dogfights is that when you're chasing an enemy close to the deck, all you have to do is wait for a ground obstruction that forces the enemy to pull up.
wow holy shit jet air combat must be exhilarating , and even more so with those gen 3 and early gen 4 fighters of the sixties
Vettejocke 2 days ago
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Without evidence, without witnesses and no opponents present , any one can tell any thing especially humans likes to tell heroic acts even to lie to show off on a situations happened 40 years ago ,based on what this channel produced these documentaries, with out the opponents present this is a bullshit propaganda
momf5 3 months ago
the first fight reminds me of Hemingway's book
except he got the fish :).
3beepu 4 months ago
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Ariana321 4 months ago
Wrong this battle happened before the 6 day war (June 1967); this battle was called Operation Shredder or in Arabic Samu Incident which took place November 13, 1966. The battle happened in the Jordanian Canyon called the Mujeb Valley not in the Sinai desert.
TheGK2009 4 months ago
@TheGK2009 They did say it was on the 13th, and I didn't hear them mentioning the Sinai desert. Anyway, if you have a good source for the tale of this battle, I'd be glad if you shared it.
FireStorm81318 4 months ago
ejecting into the side of the canyon? Ouch. You're supposed to eject upward i thought...
motorsiegefan931 5 months ago
last part made my day
lotharzipo 6 months ago
you see that part i have never heard before but i wont question your credibility i will simply check your sources, another thing why are you on the defensive all the time calm down i am not attacking you i would like to find a solution to the situation as much as u do maybe if we come to an understanding and we both become presidents someday we can put an end to the conflict that is my purpose of this discussion
skyhound2009 6 months ago
@skyhound2009 I'm not sure what "situation" you're speaking of. You claim to be from Egypt, and as far as I know, these days Israel and Egypt have no political issues. Anyway, I'm "on the defense" all the time because your claims are an insult to my people's past. In the first place, this documentary video wasn't supposed to be an invitation for political accusations.
I'd hate to be a president, but if that's your aim, good luck.
FireStorm81318 6 months ago
@FireStorm81318 let suppose that you are right for a moment where were the jews before 1948, werent many of them still in Palestine living like everybody else. what changed in order to bring in massive firepower and claim by force and death?
skyhound2009 6 months ago
@skyhound2009 You don't need to "suppose". Go check the history of the Jewish settlement. And the Jews didn't bring firepower, those were the Arabs who assaulted them and forced them to fight back. The Jews used whatever they had for their self defense, if you need examples to read about - search the words "Kapap" (Israeli-invented martial arts), or "1929 massacre in Hebron"
FireStorm81318 6 months ago
I love this airforce officers ,they fought with eachothers but they speak with respect and honour a bout their opponents and not like some trash comments you see from people on you tube
paymanmktr 7 months ago 2
@paymanmktr So true what you say....
gmansi 6 months ago
If the pilot ejected safely, it would have been an interesting event for those two to meet.
RainingBullets 7 months ago
i wonder who that jordanian pilot was.. the one who took the mirage on a merry goose chase through a canyon!.... balls of steel!
hellboy110585 8 months ago
@hellboy110585 That was a smart move. His Hunter could maneuver better than the Mirage, thus avoid the canyon walls/floor easier.
FireStorm81318 8 months ago
@FireStorm81318 .. agreed!... but this mavouverability notwithstanding... diving into a canyon in the sinai takes real guts... they are narrow and crooked... not like the grand canyon...
hellboy110585 8 months ago
@FireStorm81318 too bad he lost his nerve and broke out of the vertical dive in part 1
Th3Nigma 4 months ago
@hellboy110585: the name of the guy was Mwoafeq Al Saltee; he was one of the best pilots and he was 1st Lieutenant when he got killed in that battle November 1966.
Regards,
TheGK2009 4 months ago
@skyhound2009 Israel destroyed 400 out of 450 arab planes on the ground at the begginning of six days war, some of the arab plane survived (and were promptly shot down in dogfights later in the war)
johndo221 8 months ago
@skyhound2009 But there were nations that got aircraft up, like here.
FighterGuDude3214 9 months ago
then he made a big mistake.
raptor4048 11 months ago
@skyhound2009 That's Egypt you're talking about, not Jordan.
FireStorm81318 11 months ago
I always wondered what fighters they used, since I only knew about the Mirage III interceptors I figured they must have fighter models that I had never heard about, and that the myth of their use of Mirage 3s as fighters was just ignorance. How they win gun battles with interceptors was a mystery to me. Following that plane in the canyon is the gutsiest move by a pilot I can think of, but maybe those delta wings have accidental attributes that allow such flying(?)
constructivereconcil 1 year ago
@constructivereconcil The IAF air combat doctrine had ACM as one of its strong points. That was rare on the 60´s when the thought among most modern airforces was that missiles would make dogfighting a thing of the past thus making ACM an obsolete skill.
The Mirage III was an aircraft capable of amazing speeds (Match 2.2) which means a lot of energy, and energy is the key of dogfighting. For a pilot well versed on ACM such a plane is a deadly weapon, manoeuvrable or not.
bfahren 1 year ago
@bfahren Many thanks for this explanation. It answered many doubts of mine about dogfighting.
rpassos2007 9 months ago
Ronen and Epstein are real badass's!
TheGroundedAviator 1 year ago
@TheGroundedAviator Giora Epstien too.
FighterGuDude3214 9 months ago
@FighterGuDude3214 Yeah I said his name.
TheGroundedAviator 9 months ago
@TheGroundedAviator
FighterGuDude3214 9 months ago
@FighterGuDude3214 Lost for words?
TheGroundedAviator 9 months ago
@TheGroundedAviator Kind of, I just mind glitched myself.
FighterGuDude3214 9 months ago
@FighterGuDude3214 Computers for you, and these guys would agree.
TheGroundedAviator 9 months ago
@TheGroundedAviator Yeah, hey- I subbed.
FighterGuDude3214 9 months ago
This is one of the best episodes! thanks for the upload!
mossmusic 1 year ago
how much is 500 knots in kilometers?
nordicberserk 1 year ago
@nordicberserk 1018.6 km/h
Tigerman1138 1 year ago
@Tigerman1138 Ah, thanks. Damn that s fast...
nordicberserk 1 year ago
What I've learned from watching Dogfights is that when you're chasing an enemy close to the deck, all you have to do is wait for a ground obstruction that forces the enemy to pull up.
Eboreg2 1 year ago
@Eboreg2 All while trying to watch your six, and trying to lock the enemy up, and not have your aircraft flip...
haters123 1 year ago