Fucking shit. A bunch of people discussing about metal this, punk that, and bollocks over there. Just shut the fuck up already! You won´t get nowhere discussing this crap on internet..
@wallsofink As a drummer, I'd say it'd ruin the song if there would be a ton of fills. This is a good beat, moving the song in motion. That's one thing about Joy Division I love, the drums aren't these crazy Keith Moon drumbeats.
@xDeadMisfitsx You must be a bad drummer then. Or at least average. Although Joy Division were a unique and exceptionally talented band, a downside was they were not particularly technical. Less technicality and musicianship is boring and equates mediocrity. And that's why most punk rock sucks. But Post-punk did it some justice. If this comment offends you, oh well.
@wallsofink Thanks for calling me a bad drummer buddy :D you're nice. Anyhow ever heard and Beatles, Stones, AC/DC songs? All the drumming is the same beat. Are those drummers counted as some of the greats? Yeah. It's all about technique and just pumping the song with that simple beat.
@xDeadMisfitsx Well, I don't really care about being nice or mean. I just state facts as they are. The drummers that you listed are average. They may be in big bands, and sufficient to play, but they aren't skilled. I think even those drummers of those bands themselves would admit that. Any normal person could create their drum parts. If you think they are top drummers, you probably haven't had much exposure to music.
Have you ever listened to any metal? The metal world has the best drummers.
@wallsofink The drumming is brilliant. It fits the song perfectly and enhances it's mood. It creates a powerufl, edgy & intense rythm that pretty much sums up the song & the band. Being a good musician is not all about showing off,..it's about knowing what fits with the feel of a song and expresses it in a certain way. You are looking at it from a very clinical point of view..it's art and was created purely as expression.
@wallsofink Metal drummers are shit. Blast beats are nothing of interest and take no skill. To actually have rhythm and groove is the importance of drumming; showing off just is a tad small part.
I've heard metal-I'm not lodged beneath a boulder. Like many, I find most of the musicianship masturbatory, melodically bankrupt, unmoving and void of content. Technical wizardry doesn't ensure better music. What's more memorable, a streamlined riff like Louie Louie or some light speed, sweep picked non-rhythmic legato soloing in a Megadeth song? Were the threshold for transcending musical mediocrity simply winning the talent show, a show like X-Factor might actually merit itself.
@glider1989 Funny, you have no open mind. Metal is the most misunderstood genre of music of all time. You're stereotyping metal and seeing it for what it's not.
In layman's terms, simple doesn't by default mean bad. Stephen Morris and Peter Hook each had inimitable style, and it's laughable that the watermark for what's good should be what's most dexterous and difficult. Melody is what ensures listenable, palatable songcraft, be it technically faceted or not. I meant no offense to you, sir or madame, and respect your tastes.
Well, music in some circumstances is a relative matter, so you can't really use that as an argument. In some cases, technical wizardry does ensure better music. In my opinion. Classical music was the most technical and advanced of musics.
@glider1989 "What's more memorable, a streamlined riff like Louie Louie or some light speed, sweep picked non-rhythmic legato soloing in a Megadeth song?"
This had me spitting out coffee. You can't be serious. One could agree that ridiculous assessment if they had no developed taste. I'm not a Megadeth fan but even I acknowledge Mustaine's genius.
@Bongofury361 They were arguably virtuousi - pioneering a technique so essentially beautiful (and influential) that live mistakes only added to the music!
@Markthompson123 -Yeah, but in the live version the drummer does a twenty minute solo while a giant inflatable Kafka balloon is lowered down as Ian Curtis comes on dressed like Elvis and him and some dancers perform the life of Liberace in interpretive dance.
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mrsJosi1 1 week ago
yeahhhhhhh looking for some friends of mine.
TheHablemas 3 weeks ago
Im 16 and i love Joyd Division. Good music queep alive.
TheHablemas 3 weeks ago
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mrsJosi1 1 month ago
@mrsJosi1 Dear god, shut up with the generic shit.
SuperiFox 6 days ago
wow it's like a mountain range made out of sound waves
armandsdamanhoo 1 month ago
Geil,geil,geil,geil...der Oberhammer...Beste Band
Elfy251 2 months ago
NAKED LUNCH.
peoplenevernotice 2 months ago 9
@peoplenevernotice I'm lost in the inter zone manna my typewriter
joeygarage77 2 months ago 3
Fucking shit. A bunch of people discussing about metal this, punk that, and bollocks over there. Just shut the fuck up already! You won´t get nowhere discussing this crap on internet..
Einvestigator96 2 months ago
this album is the cultural heritage of post/punk generation
yallowrosa 3 months ago
nice.
kibitzersk 3 months ago
@MrKatana1100sz I very much love your comment, especially the Watts section since I love the Stones. Haha!
xDeadMisfitsx 4 months ago
You bitches talking about drumming? Check Brian Chippendale out, he is great.
fragatahugo 4 months ago
@MrKatana1100sz Sir I believe you totally misconstrued the whole point of my message..
wallsofink 4 months ago
@MrKatana1100sz Uh, your point? You just made yourself look dumb..
wallsofink 4 months ago
tryy to find a way to GETT OUUTTTTT!
fajitaheater 5 months ago
What the fuck happened to music like this?
ninichkaaaaa 6 months ago 3
This song is cool.
The drumming sucks and is too simple, though. They could have added more drums and made it more catchier.
wallsofink 7 months ago
@wallsofink As a drummer, I'd say it'd ruin the song if there would be a ton of fills. This is a good beat, moving the song in motion. That's one thing about Joy Division I love, the drums aren't these crazy Keith Moon drumbeats.
xDeadMisfitsx 6 months ago
@xDeadMisfitsx You must be a bad drummer then. Or at least average. Although Joy Division were a unique and exceptionally talented band, a downside was they were not particularly technical. Less technicality and musicianship is boring and equates mediocrity. And that's why most punk rock sucks. But Post-punk did it some justice. If this comment offends you, oh well.
wallsofink 6 months ago
@wallsofink Thanks for calling me a bad drummer buddy :D you're nice. Anyhow ever heard and Beatles, Stones, AC/DC songs? All the drumming is the same beat. Are those drummers counted as some of the greats? Yeah. It's all about technique and just pumping the song with that simple beat.
xDeadMisfitsx 6 months ago
@xDeadMisfitsx Well, I don't really care about being nice or mean. I just state facts as they are. The drummers that you listed are average. They may be in big bands, and sufficient to play, but they aren't skilled. I think even those drummers of those bands themselves would admit that. Any normal person could create their drum parts. If you think they are top drummers, you probably haven't had much exposure to music.
Have you ever listened to any metal? The metal world has the best drummers.
wallsofink 6 months ago
@wallsofink The drumming is brilliant. It fits the song perfectly and enhances it's mood. It creates a powerufl, edgy & intense rythm that pretty much sums up the song & the band. Being a good musician is not all about showing off,..it's about knowing what fits with the feel of a song and expresses it in a certain way. You are looking at it from a very clinical point of view..it's art and was created purely as expression.
desantis89 5 months ago 4
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pashedmotatos 4 months ago
@wallsofink Metal drummers are shit. Blast beats are nothing of interest and take no skill. To actually have rhythm and groove is the importance of drumming; showing off just is a tad small part.
xDeadMisfitsx 4 months ago
@wallsofink
Metal is bollocks, you self-aggrandizing wankhat.
glider1989 3 months ago
@glider1989 Yet you have never heard one song of metal and are judging on intuition. Shame on you.
wallsofink 3 months ago
@wallsofink
I've heard metal-I'm not lodged beneath a boulder. Like many, I find most of the musicianship masturbatory, melodically bankrupt, unmoving and void of content. Technical wizardry doesn't ensure better music. What's more memorable, a streamlined riff like Louie Louie or some light speed, sweep picked non-rhythmic legato soloing in a Megadeth song? Were the threshold for transcending musical mediocrity simply winning the talent show, a show like X-Factor might actually merit itself.
glider1989 3 months ago 2
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@glider1989 lol you are dumb
SingingRavensShadow 3 months ago
@glider1989 Funny, you have no open mind. Metal is the most misunderstood genre of music of all time. You're stereotyping metal and seeing it for what it's not.
wallsofink 1 month ago
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@wallsofink
In layman's terms, simple doesn't by default mean bad. Stephen Morris and Peter Hook each had inimitable style, and it's laughable that the watermark for what's good should be what's most dexterous and difficult. Melody is what ensures listenable, palatable songcraft, be it technically faceted or not. I meant no offense to you, sir or madame, and respect your tastes.
glider1989 1 month ago
@glider1989 "Technical wizardry doesn't ensure better music"
Well, music in some circumstances is a relative matter, so you can't really use that as an argument. In some cases, technical wizardry does ensure better music. In my opinion. Classical music was the most technical and advanced of musics.
wallsofink 1 month ago
@glider1989 "What's more memorable, a streamlined riff like Louie Louie or some light speed, sweep picked non-rhythmic legato soloing in a Megadeth song?"
This had me spitting out coffee. You can't be serious. One could agree that ridiculous assessment if they had no developed taste. I'm not a Megadeth fan but even I acknowledge Mustaine's genius.
wallsofink 1 month ago
@xDeadMisfitsx Go check out some Rush or King Crimson or Helmet. Those bands have some very talented drummers.
wallsofink 6 months ago
@wallsofink the drumming doesn't suck but could use a nice drum fill in the middle to add some excitement but i think it fit the song very nicely
robblack15 3 weeks ago
Imagen how Ian would look like today
skaterausberlin94 7 months ago
Definitely leather pants and bottle of whiskey in each fist, no shirt required.
diewrecked 8 months ago
William Burroughs? Ian Curtis? Genius.
PaleBlueTsu 8 months ago
Now here's a theme song for whenever you wanna make an entrance, or go on a bender. You need leather pants to complete the look though.
diewrecked 8 months ago
RIP 31 YEARS
GM3339 9 months ago 4
too Warsaw for me, it's okay. I prefer the darker side of them or Joy Division
xDeadMisfitsx 10 months ago
the 'virtuosi' play with their fingers, hands, etc. these lads played with their souls.
Sivartrenrag 1 year ago 7
Man this reminds me so much of Fun House by the Stooges, so does Warsaw. I can really get into that savage sounding guitar.
halfcabdisaster7 1 year ago
This was on Warsaw, wasn't it?
locomotifx 1 year ago
@locomotifx Indeed it was.
thrillerman83 1 year ago
great fucking song!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fysikhBle 1 year ago
i don't know, but for a group of lads from manchester "who didn't know how to play"
this is a pretty great song.
icurtis14 1 year ago 60
@icurtis14 That was the beautiful thing about Joy Division--though they might NOT have been virtuosos, the music they created was MAGIC!
Bongofury361 1 year ago
@Bongofury361 They were arguably virtuousi - pioneering a technique so essentially beautiful (and influential) that live mistakes only added to the music!
locomotifx 1 year ago
drums never change
Markthompson123 1 year ago
@Markthompson123 -Yeah, but in the live version the drummer does a twenty minute solo while a giant inflatable Kafka balloon is lowered down as Ian Curtis comes on dressed like Elvis and him and some dancers perform the life of Liberace in interpretive dance.
Gjeorje 1 year ago 2
@Gjeorje
I don't know if you meant to do it-
But you just added another thing to my list of life goals.
mrfudgeyhead 11 months ago
Rest In Peace Ian Curtis.
You Are Immortal
pb2k9 1 year ago 88