Why would a non-traditional couple wish to denominate their relationship traditional? Isn't that what marriage is.. a tradition?
Essentially, they're becoming hypocrites. If they think they should have visiting rights at a hospital, tax breaks, etc., they should try to push for a non-conventional union that allows for this.. i.e. making the Civil Union more "beneficial."
The whole thing befuddles me. Would a staunch communist gripe over free market benefits? It's absurd.
Marriage is civil CONTRACT that creates binding mutual responsibilities and bestows mutual rights upon two individuals.
Civil unions do not, and cannot, given the federal structure of the United States and the fact that the creation of marriage occurs at the state level, while the federal government recognizes the state-created marital contract for all purposes in federal law. Given the nature of the US legal system, extending marriage to same sex couples is the only way to grant equal rights.
You're always hearing about how the bible see's marriage between a man and a woman and those that believe in the bible want to keep it that way. OK folks lets keep traditional beliefs of marriage. A wife must be subservient to her husband; A wife cannot answer her husband back; A wife cannot work; If the wife cannot have children then the husband can take on a second wife; also a traditional marriage could not be of mixed race.
OK folks here's your traditional biblical marriage. NOT!
sorry, I'm not that smart - simply staring a a pile of cr*p for a long period of time doesn't make me automatically see a boquet of gardenias. Please edify me with you insight. and try not to use big words I might not understand.
let me see if I understand your point: slippery slop(e)? To your point common sense is keeping religious nuts out of public policy. Sharia, which does not allow equal marriage, should not dictate US law, where people are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, freedom for 2 consenting adults to peaceably assemble, equal protection under law. You're right about 1 thing, the Constitution is ultra radical liberalism. If you think it goes too far, then move to a county without it.
trader, i'll ask you the same question as the imbecile above YOU. did YOU ask the president permission for you to marry your husband(wife?) NO. then please shut up
how lovely for you. What a special person your must be. And you use such big words, like "to" and "the." although you should probably not use the others ones, people will think that your wish to see people die is a reflection of your character.
No to gay marraige! Why? Because I don't like it. You know what else I don't like? Short people! I don't want schools teaching my kids that it's okay to be short!
Just let them get married, their $ spent on weddings can help economy :D, also Religion and Government isn't suppose to mix so .... w/o that there is no other reason why gays and les. shouldn't be married.
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@ Jesus soon return (or your death) you're gonna see whos gonna be laughing!!! You better wake up and beg the Lord Jesus Christ to Save you before it's to late!!!
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Jesus Christ Loves You but He hates your sin!!!
Turn from your wicked ways and follow Him while you still have time plz! Hell is real!!!
Romans 10:9-10 (KJV)
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
there are more important issues right now, than wondering about stupid gay marriage... seriously. I'm not against gays or anything, but for me, its disgusting.
of course there are more important issues - so why are people opposing it? and who cares what you think is disgusting and why is it so important for you to let everyone know?
.......its simple....any two people should be able to get married for any reason. the only argument against this is based on religious beliefs(or ""traditional values"" which is a euphemism for religious beliefs). the separation of church and state is in the constitution....therefore NOT allowing same sex marriage is a VIOLATION OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS..... PERIOD!
We have much more pressing issues to spend tax dollars on and then they can whine about rights. It is hard to believe that gay people are so selfish that they care nothing about the economy or all of these wars and care about their issues more... Let them marry, spend time and effort on the real issues, fuck.
They don't need protection, they should just have the legal right to marriage. So what if it's Adam and Eve - that doesn't mean gay marriage should become a MANDATE on religious establishments. Choice is a marvelous thing and we should not compromise it.
Protection is from those who have a hatred towards homosexuals, and since homosexuals are looked down by society, aren't always given a fair trial for a hate crime, as some other groups.
Also, we have no proof that Adam and Eve even existed, we have found no remains of such people, we have found remains of primitives forms of ourselves all over, but no Adam and Eve, depicted as modern humans, ironically.
"doesn't mean gay marriage should become a MANDATE on religious establishments"
Not yet anyway, but it has been used in massachussets as a reason to indoctrinate children in public schools against their parents wishes. Legalizing it opens a pandoras box that will not be so easily shut and we may discover that we should have let it be.
"What does gay marriage have to do with the public school system?"
Look it up in google. It happened. Parents weren't even allowed to remove their kids from classes that taught that homosexual behavior and gay marriage are OK.
Gay marriage is a redefinition of marriage, Why stop there? why not allow polygamy, Why not legalize mariage between man and goat? There are minorities fighting for those too you know. Hence the pandora's box.
I don't know any classes that teach that, I know teachers talk about it, and most of the kids I went to school with accept gays, heck we had gays in our JROTC class.
So was interracial marriage, your point?
Polygamy is more than one spouse, which already has been going on for years in many other countries, and many gays have just as a monogamous relationship as any straight person.
Comparing 2 civilized human beings to a person and an animal, how many times am I gonna hear this lame excuse?
Its not a matter of comparison, its just a matter of how and where you draw the line. In allowing gay marriage you are eliminating the transcendent objective standard of marriage. What argument can you make when faced with a group of 40 year old men who want to marry 10 year olds and claim that you are discriminating gainst them and spreading hate by opposing their right to marry? How about polyamorists who are doing the same? Where does it end? Who gives you the right to marry and why?
Marriage as far as I am concerned lost it's original objective standard a long time ago, first it was about interracial marriage, now it's about same sex marriage, it's already been redefined.
We are talking about gay marriage, not child molestation or pedophilia, jackass.
Marriage among 2 consenting adults, I don't have a problem with, child pedophilia I do.
Polyamorists are similar to polygamy which already exists, and they can get married to someone, without question.
My right as a human being, & the fact that I am a legal tax payer, I would never dictate to someone who or what they can love and/or marry, as long as they aren't causing harm to others physically, who am I to give a fuck, unless you are a person, worried about other peoples lives, you need to start worrying about your own life, b/c unlike you, LGBT's are more accepting than you are, that's a fact, I have never seen one LGBT talk against marriage, except that they can't get married.
1. 10 year olds do not make decisions and give consent the way adults do. if they did, we would try them as adults and not JUVENILES in a court of law.
2. What if I said that interracial marriage would lead to bestiality? Does that idea even seem remotely plausible to you?
3. Who gives you the right to marry? Well, who gave STRAIGHT people the right to marry? Its not in the Constitution, thats for sure.
This is about 2 consenting adults. Transcendent objective? You can transcend whatever you want, but that doesn't mean we should do away with the (supposed) existing, practical idea of equal protection under law.
@diogeneslaertius666 Also, anti abortionists, mainly religious people are against abortion, well, who can have less abortions than homosexuals? Here is a group of people who are guaranteed never to have an abortion, lol.
Well here's one more good reason to mass exodus the liberal state of Jew York. Tax the hell out of the hair dressers.
150grnballistictip 8 months ago
woohooo they just legalized it ... now i can say that IM PROUD TO BE FROM NY!
Luv0rSin 8 months ago
Vote democrat!! It's easier than working...
TheKrissyboucata 1 year ago
Hey New York City. How does it feel to have Mexico City legalize Same Sex Marriage and you not to be allowed to have that in your city?
muellerican 2 years ago
Not until the 4th march tho, i'm english but i cannot wait and also uruguay/portugal is very close too!
neil22100 2 years ago
"First of all! It's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve." OH MY GOD! LOL
CandyBoyGavin 2 years ago
shut up!
neil22100 2 years ago
@neil22100 You shut up! OMG My comment is like 2 months old! Leave it, and let be with God! So rude!
CandyBoyGavin 2 years ago
You leave it!
neil22100 2 years ago
@neil22100 Maybe I will!
CandyBoyGavin 2 years ago
Why would a non-traditional couple wish to denominate their relationship traditional? Isn't that what marriage is.. a tradition?
Essentially, they're becoming hypocrites. If they think they should have visiting rights at a hospital, tax breaks, etc., they should try to push for a non-conventional union that allows for this.. i.e. making the Civil Union more "beneficial."
The whole thing befuddles me. Would a staunch communist gripe over free market benefits? It's absurd.
MrBlackwit 2 years ago
Marriage is civil CONTRACT that creates binding mutual responsibilities and bestows mutual rights upon two individuals.
Civil unions do not, and cannot, given the federal structure of the United States and the fact that the creation of marriage occurs at the state level, while the federal government recognizes the state-created marital contract for all purposes in federal law. Given the nature of the US legal system, extending marriage to same sex couples is the only way to grant equal rights.
LegalEagleX 2 years ago
You're always hearing about how the bible see's marriage between a man and a woman and those that believe in the bible want to keep it that way. OK folks lets keep traditional beliefs of marriage. A wife must be subservient to her husband; A wife cannot answer her husband back; A wife cannot work; If the wife cannot have children then the husband can take on a second wife; also a traditional marriage could not be of mixed race.
OK folks here's your traditional biblical marriage. NOT!
KandyKotton 2 years ago 4
sorry, I'm not that smart - simply staring a a pile of cr*p for a long period of time doesn't make me automatically see a boquet of gardenias. Please edify me with you insight. and try not to use big words I might not understand.
jhunsaker4 2 years ago
let me see if I understand your point: slippery slop(e)? To your point common sense is keeping religious nuts out of public policy. Sharia, which does not allow equal marriage, should not dictate US law, where people are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, freedom for 2 consenting adults to peaceably assemble, equal protection under law. You're right about 1 thing, the Constitution is ultra radical liberalism. If you think it goes too far, then move to a county without it.
jhunsaker4 2 years ago
I bet that black guy has never set foot in a university.
stefanheikel 2 years ago
and how exactly will a monogamous consenting relationship between two adults lead to a relationship where one partner is unable to give consent?
i could easily have said the same thing about interracial marriage. why doesn't interracial marriage lead to bestiality?
ever head of slippery slope fallacy? if you haven't go look it up.
greenteabanana 2 years ago
haha that's good.."Not Adam and STEVE!"..i'm gonna use that phrase.
faiztaufik 2 years ago
trader, i'll ask you the same question as the imbecile above YOU. did YOU ask the president permission for you to marry your husband(wife?) NO. then please shut up
obamadidit2008 2 years ago
Way to go NH and Massachusetts and Vermont...what next legalization of marriage with your cat dog and cows?
MissDragonFyre 2 years ago
your cat should be pitied if it married you
obamadidit2008 2 years ago
Maybe the state shouldn't be regulating marriage in the first place.
MissDragonFyre 2 years ago
the state should concentrate on secular marriages, and the churches should concentrate on religious marriages
obamadidit2008 2 years ago
adem and eve wtf eve then talk her son into killing the other. then fucked him wtf!!! that is no moral compass. adem and eve my ass
mykmmc 2 years ago
You know what I bet that guy really hates? Lesbian porn! It's Adam and Eve, not Jenna Jameson and Eve, right?.....right?
jstherapeutic 2 years ago 2
Yes, I see apples and oranges.
jstherapeutic 2 years ago
Gays are an embarrassment to human society. Hope that they all move to the moon soon or better yet, die!
ahhyo2006 2 years ago
Agreed.
TrinidadLineage 2 years ago
and wish that all bigots like you will take the advice that they give to folks like me:GO TO HELL ahhyo
obamadidit2008 2 years ago
how lovely for you. What a special person your must be. And you use such big words, like "to" and "the." although you should probably not use the others ones, people will think that your wish to see people die is a reflection of your character.
jhunsaker4 2 years ago
No to gay marraige! Why? Because I don't like it. You know what else I don't like? Short people! I don't want schools teaching my kids that it's okay to be short!
jstherapeutic 2 years ago
Just let them get married, their $ spent on weddings can help economy :D, also Religion and Government isn't suppose to mix so .... w/o that there is no other reason why gays and les. shouldn't be married.
thearmoredfatboy 2 years ago
your extermination would be a victory as well.
MizAlexandria 2 years ago
It is gonna be legal almost every where soon, so no point in fighting about it
Prophet6000 2 years ago
Wow TraderNorton04 you really need to go back to school and study biology. Oh forgot your probably a redneck hick that thinks school is for commies.
warcraft1920 2 years ago 2
I doubt that will happen, doesn't seem to have worked, when God did it the first time, if you believe that crap.
Primitive humans like you, dying off will be awesome to the future of mankind.
CJCA915 2 years ago
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Amen! God made Adam and Eve, Not Adam and Steve! Male and Female! No "gay" marriage in the name of Jesus Christ!
LUV4GODALMIGHTY 2 years ago
hahaha!!!!!.....brain-washed sheep!!!!!
brianwenning45 2 years ago
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@ Jesus soon return (or your death) you're gonna see whos gonna be laughing!!! You better wake up and beg the Lord Jesus Christ to Save you before it's to late!!!
LUV4GODALMIGHTY 2 years ago
Jesus already returned 2,000 years ago, rose from the dead, aka a zombie, Jesus is a Cosmic Jewish Zombie, period.
CJCA915 2 years ago
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Jesus Christ Loves You but He hates your sin!!!
Turn from your wicked ways and follow Him while you still have time plz! Hell is real!!!
Romans 10:9-10 (KJV)
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
LUV4GODALMIGHTY 2 years ago
Sins were invented by man, so was God, get a life already.
CJCA915 2 years ago
im already laughing hahaha at YOU
brianwenning45 2 years ago
there are more important issues right now, than wondering about stupid gay marriage... seriously. I'm not against gays or anything, but for me, its disgusting.
aseticelite 2 years ago
im 1000000 percent FOR gay marriage and i think its disgusting, but it doesnt affect you so who gives a fuck if someone else wants to do it?
brianwenning45 2 years ago 4
of course there are more important issues - so why are people opposing it? and who cares what you think is disgusting and why is it so important for you to let everyone know?
jhunsaker4 2 years ago 2
Separation of church and state fuck what religious people have to say about a governement law about gay people
DemonicGemini 2 years ago 4
.......its simple....any two people should be able to get married for any reason. the only argument against this is based on religious beliefs(or ""traditional values"" which is a euphemism for religious beliefs). the separation of church and state is in the constitution....therefore NOT allowing same sex marriage is a VIOLATION OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS..... PERIOD!
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vechorik 4 months ago
Who gives a fuck about Gay Marriage???
We have much more pressing issues to spend tax dollars on and then they can whine about rights. It is hard to believe that gay people are so selfish that they care nothing about the economy or all of these wars and care about their issues more... Let them marry, spend time and effort on the real issues, fuck.
MrSpieldose 2 years ago
Religious people are stopping that decision, b/c of the so called sanctity of marriage, or the meaning of marriage, and all that stuff.
CJCA915 2 years ago 4
They don't need protection, they should just have the legal right to marriage. So what if it's Adam and Eve - that doesn't mean gay marriage should become a MANDATE on religious establishments. Choice is a marvelous thing and we should not compromise it.
I hate dumb people.
Vitaminous 2 years ago 7
Protection is from those who have a hatred towards homosexuals, and since homosexuals are looked down by society, aren't always given a fair trial for a hate crime, as some other groups.
Also, we have no proof that Adam and Eve even existed, we have found no remains of such people, we have found remains of primitives forms of ourselves all over, but no Adam and Eve, depicted as modern humans, ironically.
CJCA915 2 years ago
"doesn't mean gay marriage should become a MANDATE on religious establishments"
Not yet anyway, but it has been used in massachussets as a reason to indoctrinate children in public schools against their parents wishes. Legalizing it opens a pandoras box that will not be so easily shut and we may discover that we should have let it be.
joness105639 2 years ago
What does gay marriage have to do with the public school system?
Also, all the other states that have legalized, don't seem to have any Pandora's Box crap going on, so what in the heck are you talking about?
CJCA915 2 years ago
"What does gay marriage have to do with the public school system?"
Look it up in google. It happened. Parents weren't even allowed to remove their kids from classes that taught that homosexual behavior and gay marriage are OK.
Gay marriage is a redefinition of marriage, Why stop there? why not allow polygamy, Why not legalize mariage between man and goat? There are minorities fighting for those too you know. Hence the pandora's box.
joness105639 2 years ago
I don't know any classes that teach that, I know teachers talk about it, and most of the kids I went to school with accept gays, heck we had gays in our JROTC class.
So was interracial marriage, your point?
Polygamy is more than one spouse, which already has been going on for years in many other countries, and many gays have just as a monogamous relationship as any straight person.
Comparing 2 civilized human beings to a person and an animal, how many times am I gonna hear this lame excuse?
CJCA915 2 years ago
Its not a matter of comparison, its just a matter of how and where you draw the line. In allowing gay marriage you are eliminating the transcendent objective standard of marriage. What argument can you make when faced with a group of 40 year old men who want to marry 10 year olds and claim that you are discriminating gainst them and spreading hate by opposing their right to marry? How about polyamorists who are doing the same? Where does it end? Who gives you the right to marry and why?
joness105639 2 years ago
did you ask the president of the u.s. for permission to marry your wife(husband?)? NO. then please shut up joness
obamadidit2008 2 years ago
Marriage as far as I am concerned lost it's original objective standard a long time ago, first it was about interracial marriage, now it's about same sex marriage, it's already been redefined.
We are talking about gay marriage, not child molestation or pedophilia, jackass.
Marriage among 2 consenting adults, I don't have a problem with, child pedophilia I do.
Polyamorists are similar to polygamy which already exists, and they can get married to someone, without question.
CJCA915 2 years ago
My right as a human being, & the fact that I am a legal tax payer, I would never dictate to someone who or what they can love and/or marry, as long as they aren't causing harm to others physically, who am I to give a fuck, unless you are a person, worried about other peoples lives, you need to start worrying about your own life, b/c unlike you, LGBT's are more accepting than you are, that's a fact, I have never seen one LGBT talk against marriage, except that they can't get married.
CJCA915 2 years ago
slippery slope fallacy?
1. 10 year olds do not make decisions and give consent the way adults do. if they did, we would try them as adults and not JUVENILES in a court of law.
2. What if I said that interracial marriage would lead to bestiality? Does that idea even seem remotely plausible to you?
3. Who gives you the right to marry? Well, who gave STRAIGHT people the right to marry? Its not in the Constitution, thats for sure.
greenteabanana 2 years ago
This is about 2 consenting adults. Transcendent objective? You can transcend whatever you want, but that doesn't mean we should do away with the (supposed) existing, practical idea of equal protection under law.
jhunsaker4 2 years ago
Another non-issue for us all to fight each other over while the world burns down around us.
If gay people adopt, let them get married, whatever.
diogeneslaertius666 2 years ago 4
@diogeneslaertius666 Also, anti abortionists, mainly religious people are against abortion, well, who can have less abortions than homosexuals? Here is a group of people who are guaranteed never to have an abortion, lol.
Some George Carlin stuff there.
CJCA915 2 years ago 5