@SCRulerShinoda Um what? lol. that's great. By the way, even if you are from Canada You must care about American currency, as far as I know, The U.S dollar is the base currency for all other currencies worldwide except for North Korea and Venezuela. You also speak of how advanced we are today as if you yourself knew how to build a car, or how to build a satellite that can orbit our Earth. You and I have not experienced most of today's technology first hand, we just read it books.
@maximusTLP Yes, I care about it in so far as it has value. What's written on it doesn't matter other than verifiability. If they changed the official design it wouldnt matter.
I dont speak as if I know how to build it myself. I just know it exists, and I know that true scientists and engineers know how they are built and that they do.
We read books, but we also experience it firsthand by it's power and it's usage.
Astrology has no credence to it. Peoples claims that "the ancients were wiser than us" are worthless. They may have been wiser but they didnt understand the universe any better than todays astronomers and physicists. Good science works by eliminating that which is no longer factual and searching for the factual. Astrology is not a respected or working field in Science. So again, those that claim "the ancients were wiser" or "Had more of a connection to nature" are nothing more than New Agers.
PROTIP: The commonly used horoscope is still based on the tropical zodiac, which shifted 2000 years ago. Even if horoscopes were real, they wouldnt be accurate because the shifting of our position in observing stars.
Remember, it was only instituted because a bunch of men looked up and were amazed and somehow thought that what they percieved as tiny points of light in the "firmament" may have guided their destinies and behaviours.
People don't understand astrology. Trust me I was the most scientifically oriented guy. I thought astrology was pure bs. Until i began to read hermetics. I found that astrology is a universal language used to explain the fractal nature of our universe. also known as "as above, so below" astronomy and all the sciences of the world are actually one, and all religions and science are also one, this is what hermitics and astrology teach. astrology explains how our all our universe is connected.
Scientific data? Mileniums of observation in almost every culture, efects on crabs and some animals and humans among them. But its not mine to tell and provide full research on youtube..Go read some books.
If human can "know" how world was created (if it ever was). And has evidence of that + its "testable" .. than you got me.. i'm superstitious..
Astrology is not for everyone anyway..specialy not for self-named scientist.
@SuperPlural "Mileniums of observation" Observation alone is not scientific data. If the planets do influence us then why not Black Holes? these are the most powerful phenomena in the known universe, or how about quasars? why are these things not included in star charts?. What is the effect it has on crabs?. Your right astrology is not for science as science has advanced human civilisation more than Astrology ever will.
wth?! astrology isnt a superstition! it can actually be proven! it's only superstion to those who haven't studied it in depth... how can u believe ANYthing if you know NOTHING about it?
@ZuluFightrunner Who needs "peer reviewed scientific papers" to prove astrology's a science when you have actual people who WITNESS the proof EVERYDAY. Scientists fail to study it in depth. They stay on the surface, only reading about Sun signs when there's SO MUCH MORE to it. Almost everyone knows their Sun sign, but how many people actually know their ascendant, moon, venus, mars, etc? Just like you, scientists still have A LOT more to learn.
@MiSs215Live "Who needs "peer reviewed scientific papers" to prove astrology's a science when you have actual people who WITNESS the proof EVERYDAY. "
I witnessed an invisible magic pink duck called Bruce that controls my personality. Who needs evidence when I witness Bruce every day and you have never studied Bruce in any depth so don't call it a superstition.
@SCRulerShinoda heres your proof, egyptians celebrated sirius A, which in their culture was Isis, every time Isis rose above the horizon it signaled the coming of the flood, this was true for them as it is true for the rest of the world, flood season, that is astrology/astronomy, astrology is like the essence of astronomy.
@maximusTLP That's nothing more than a calendar. What I mean by astrology is the interpretation of the arrangement of stars to influence individuals lives.
What that was was actual astronomy, more or less. Astrology is to astronomy as Alchemy is to Chemistry. They were early starts at these sciences but weren't actually accurate very much.
the proof I desire is the effects of an arrangement of stars manipulating the "strings", so to speak of human behaviour without "observation".
@SCRulerShinoda Well it has been proven that the moon has a physical effect on our oceans, low tides, and high tides. It has been found that the moon also has effects on wildlife as well during the tides. It has been predicted that because every cell in the human body is made of water therefore the moon also has an effect on human beings.
@maximusTLP Gravity and Orbital mechanics neatly answers your point there. It is well understood how the gravitational effect of the moon affects the oceans on earth no need to invoke any kind of new-age woo.
@ZuluFightrunner Lol i'm not envoking any new age crap. Those are the other people claiming that astrology has some magical effect on people. I'm kind of in the middle of both.
@SCRulerShinoda The stars do not have an effect on humans, lol. they are merely an ancient universal language people can use to understand nature's fractal reality. Yea there is alot of bad information out there about astrology. Trust me it has nothing to do with anything the media talks about. astrology can be used to measure the cycles of the universe.
@maximusTLP I grant you that you're right about the moon. It's been documented. But there is no other way that any object in space, other than shit about to collide or giving us energy or whatever, can affect our behaviour other than observation and ponderance of the observations.
No position of planet or other celestial object being within a pattern of stars capable of being observed can affect human behaviour unless someone goes out of their way to, like Horoscope believers.
@SCRulerShinoda the thing is that we and everything in this universe is connected by electomagnetism, infinite vibrations slowed to materialize into physical matter. I don't believe in the horoscope that is a misinterpretation of what astrology is. the horoscope implies that we are individuals, but there is no such thing as individuality.
@SCRulerShinoda The self. or individual is merely an interpretation of specific sound vibrations. Everything has its own unique sound vibration including people. Ultimately, all these sound vibrations are connected, at this point the individual is a mere illusion with limited freedom of will.
@SCRulerShinoda Lol, I can tell I am getting under your skin. Wow. Matter does not exist unless there is concious observer, if you do not have a conscious observer then all there is an infinite amount of energy. matter is the slowed vibration of energy which produces sound. matter and sound are the same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS WHY I STATED THAT EVERYTHING IS MADE OF SOUND, WHICH IS THE PRODUCT OF SLOWED VIBRATION OF ENERGY, HENCE MATTER!!!
@maximusTLP you are getting under my skin because of the blatant disregard for fact. Whether or not tehre is an observer, matter is still matter. Just because it's still energy doesnt mean that it's not still in a different configuration and setup. The only thing that doesnt exist if there is not a conscious observer is the definition. Matter is dense energy, almost. Matter produces sound when it vibrates. Sound does not make anything but sound. Sound does not make everything. Energy does.
@SCRulerShinoda is it me that does not know what I am talking about? or are you upset because you do not understand? perhaps you haven't read deep enough into the subject? how do you know that you are not the one that is wrong? You ask me to prove it, how about you prove that it is not!!!
@maximusTLP Well you're the one making the claims so therefore the burden of proof is on you. You're acting like this because you're afraid someone's seen through your bullshit ruse. Sound is energy in the form of matter moving. You're oversimplifying concepts you read in wikipedia to the point where you're getting them wrong. Or you're listening to some New-ager.
Additionally, you dont understand the fact that theory has two meanings, one in the layman's context and one in the scientific.
@SCRulerShinoda Like I said, in your mind, people don't understand because I guess you feel as if you have life figured out. The point that I was trying to make from the beginning was to not throw out astrology and put it down simply because you don't understand it, then you did what every idiot that is a self proclaimed scientist does, demanding proof, Shit, I am not trying to convince you or to change your way of thinking, simply request for to open your brain up.
@maximusTLP One must not open their mind so much that their brain falls out. We fully understand it, astrology is not a science, it is a protoscience. There is no accuracy to it, there is no actual form to it other than horoscopes and they've been extensively debunked, etc. I never claimed to have life figured out. As a matter of fact I have a lot of trouble with my life. but I still go out of my way to debunk junk science when I see it. Creationism, HHO, everything. Including this.
@SCRulerShinoda One must open their mind enough to understand that we are being spoon fed what we should preceive as reality. I never spoke about horoscopes so i do not know where you are getting that from. I have never mentioned a word about creationism, in your mind astrology is not a science although you agreed with me that the sun and the moon do have a direct effect on people, although the planet jupiter whos powerful gravitational pull.....
@maximusTLP I'll give you Jupiter, indirectly. The gravity of Jupiter allowed us to survive uninterrupted by meteoric impacts. Astrology is a protoscience.
@SCRulerShinoda attracts large asteroids towards it and keeps them from hitting our planet. hmmmm. Yea you are right that is junk science, just like the calendar that you follow ever day, and live your life by, purely astrological, 12 months that mirror the zodiac, 365 days in numerology based on the sun, months based on the moon, hmmm seven days in a week, the symbolism in the money that you use every day to buy food and other things in the store, the number 13 is repeated over and over.
@maximusTLP Did I say junk science? I said PROTOSCIENCE, not PSEUDOSCIENCE. Although they are closely related... Protoscience at least deserves an honorable mention since it kickstarted shit.
What does currency have to do with astrology? and where is the number 13 repeated?
@SCRulerShinoda The people that made the United States' currency are extremely obsessed with astrology. sorry if I have bad spelling today, I am tired. Take a good look at your currency, assuming that you are from the United States, the number 13 is repeated several times within it, and not because of the 13 colonies! America was founded by freemasons, like george washington. freemasonry, hermetics, astrology are all connected.
@SCRulerShinoda oh, and you did say junk science lol "As a matter of fact I have a lot of trouble with my life. but I still go out of my way to debunk junk science when I see it. Creationism, HHO, everything. Including this."
@maximusTLP yeah, at that point. Afterwards i called it protoscience.
And I'm from Canada so I dont care about american currency.
And yes, energy is a constant that needs to be used. We use energy by consumption of living cells in metabolism. we use it through mechanical, chemical, and thermal for fuel from fossil fuels. We use mechanical energy in Hydroelectricity and such. We only know of so many energies but we can detect them all. As for your discrepancy with history...
@SCRulerShinoda I bet you actually believe that we are in the year 2010 and that humans are the most advanced we have ever been because of all the machines we have built to make our lives easier based on explosive energy and to think otherwise would be moronic. You probably believe that something must be completely logical before one can accept something as fact, although nothing can ever be proven 100 percent, and throughout your enire life in school you have been...
@maximusTLP We are in the year 2010 CE, corresponding to the Christian Calendar, in a number of other cultures the dates vary wildly, but it's been around 10000 years of recorded history. Additionally, I'd like you to point out a time when mankind had more technology or understanding about the universe than now. Not everything's based off of explosive energy. Something should be logical before it is accepted as fact. Most things are. And you're right, nothing is 100 percent.
@SCRulerShinoda Yes you speak of the gregorian calendar, the same calendar that was forced on to countless people worldwide after the destruction of their civilizations. Although there are 10,000 years of recorded history, it is inconsistent. First they thought that the pyramids were built by slaves some 2500 years ago, then the date kept being pushed back until now there is a new theory that states those pyramids could have been built as far back as 15,000 years ago.....
@SCRulerShinoda That is history, it keeps getting re-written, also, there is no known book that can be used as a valid source to accurately pinpoint history, it is all based on someone's interpretation of the "facts". I cannot really show how ancient people were more advanced, John Anthony West however does make some pretty impressive points about ancient egypt, look up Magickal egypt. He gives a brief introduction into what his studies have led him to discover.....
@SCRulerShinoda Again, I cannot say that Anthony is right, but this what I am slowly studying. Understanding these structures and the level of their sophistication. All I am saying is do not discredit shaman cultures without understanding them first, there is a reason why mayans could predict eclipses hundreds of years in the future with a few seconds of error, you and I can't even predict the weather. Last point, explosive energy was the primary form of
@SCRulerShinoda don't get me wrong, I love astronomy, quantum physics, etc. but i feel that in order for us to better understand reality we must incorporate science to ancient religious believes.
@maximusTLP I dont think that ancient religious beliefs are useful and applicable within science. Most of it is hubris and pourquoi tales invented to explain something that the ancient men couldn't understand. We have a much greater grasp of the universe now and I dont think it would help many people other than a few xenophobic people who need their security blanket of faith to incorporate science into ancient religion and vice versa.
@SCRulerShinoda The problem is that these religious text are symbolic, they have deep hidden meaning that we are now beginning to understand. The egyptians had a mythology that was so advanced beyond our knowledge, that we think that egyptians worshipped humans with heads of animals. or that the garden of eden actually existed.
@maximusTLP I think that modern science is doing a damned fine job of understanding reality, For example how would incorporating ancient religions have assisted us in mapping the human genome ?.
@ZuluFightrunner You are right, science is doing a great job understanding reality, this is why I love quantum physics, science is also doing a fine job catching up to ancient knowledge which is occult in ancient hermetic principles. It is not the religion which i am defending, it is the symbolism hidden with in religions all over the world, that only the few ellite understand. It is because we mapped the human genome, that we understand what shamans have understood for thousands of years.....
@ZuluFightrunner ...That our bodies are made from approx 95 percent water, not 70 percent, the mapping of the human genome proved that the human body is actually closer to 80 percent water. Also proved that humans did not evolve from each other, that we are fractals of our environment.
@MiSs215Live How do you explain the physical affect that the planets have on us miniscule humans? Any effects that celestial bodies such as Mars or Venus would have would be effectively drowned out by the Sun. Also, if you could prove that astrology were true and scientific, do you realize the kind of money you could rake in?
@DarkAngel182 i read your message about proven something. I respond to you with this quote from plato " I know I am intelligent because I know that I know nothing" pretty much saying that nothing can really be proven because we are merely an illusion being preceived by the infinite universe. we can't ever know anything in an infinite web of knowledge.
@maximusTLP well, its true to say that there is no such thing as "absoloute certainty", however unless you are able to demonstrate what you are saying to a certain degree of probability, then there's no reason to accept.
@DuctapePenguin And according to Newton alchemy is a valid science. Also if Astrology is scientific can you point me to some peer reviewed literature that supports it?
Because astrology has no scientific basis and is a pseudo-science. The object of the video was to show that when compare to the amazing things we learn through astronomy the superstition of astrology pales into insignificance.
@SuperPlural Welcome to the free speech zone. I never said the veracity of Astrology depended on my opinion to quote me directly "Astrology has no scientific data to back it up. " now do you have any peer reviewed scientific data that contradicts this ?
@ZuluFightrunner many good scientist studied astrology Copernicus,Newton,Kepler,Carl Yung etc
There are who knows how many books from thousands of years of experience/observation if you bother to look into, and those observations proved there is pattern in human behavior depending on the planet placement. Its a study its not a stupid "bigbang" theory..
@SuperPlural Newton Also studied Alchemy does that make Alchemy a valid field of study?. Also I asked for peer reviewed scientific data that backs up the veracity of astrology not the personal beliefs of a few scientists. "Its a study its not a stupid "bigbang" theory". Your right, the big bang has mountains of evidence, is testable and is backed up by the scientific research completely different to Astrology. So can you provide any scientific data to back up Astrology ?
@maximusTLP So you claim to have been "scientifically minded" but you throw out the "just a theory argument" ?. In science a theory is a model that explains the observed facts e.g. Theory of Relativity, Germ Theory, etc.
"there is no actual proof for the big bang theory" nice quote mine read back what I wrote I said evidence, not proof but hey your into pseudo-science so i expect dishonesty as part of the deal. (cont)
So Cosmic background radiation and the abundance of light elements both if which are predictions of the Big Bang theory do not exist in your eyes? And Hubble's law of expansion? Nearly all the observations and measurements we make of the universe fit with the big bag model.
@ZuluFightrunner well lets talk about your research papers, for a long time it was believed that atoms were the smallest observable particle but then they found quarks then they found that matter doesn't even exist until you have an observer, my point is that pretty much everything that has been "proven" has been thrown out the freaking window. Someone who truly has an interest in science will keep an open mind, that is why i began to study astrology...........
@ZuluFightrunner because i saw a connection between what you call invalid or "voodoo" and what you accept as real science. and the whole theory thing, you can observe all the facts that you want, it is still a theory.
I've always been afraid that if you quantify something, you take its mystery and wonderment away. But who can say that, on a clear night, they haven't stood staring at the sky awestruck by the sheer size and magnitude of the universe. Sure, I know what a star is, but it doesn't make it any less dazzling.
I'm especialy mesmerized every time I see images of other galaxies taken by the Hubble telescope.
it sounds like you're a fan of that mathematician who thinks Jesus was crucified in 10-thirty something CE.
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda Um what? lol. that's great. By the way, even if you are from Canada You must care about American currency, as far as I know, The U.S dollar is the base currency for all other currencies worldwide except for North Korea and Venezuela. You also speak of how advanced we are today as if you yourself knew how to build a car, or how to build a satellite that can orbit our Earth. You and I have not experienced most of today's technology first hand, we just read it books.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP Yes, I care about it in so far as it has value. What's written on it doesn't matter other than verifiability. If they changed the official design it wouldnt matter.
I dont speak as if I know how to build it myself. I just know it exists, and I know that true scientists and engineers know how they are built and that they do.
We read books, but we also experience it firsthand by it's power and it's usage.
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
Astrology has no credence to it. Peoples claims that "the ancients were wiser than us" are worthless. They may have been wiser but they didnt understand the universe any better than todays astronomers and physicists. Good science works by eliminating that which is no longer factual and searching for the factual. Astrology is not a respected or working field in Science. So again, those that claim "the ancients were wiser" or "Had more of a connection to nature" are nothing more than New Agers.
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
PROTIP: The commonly used horoscope is still based on the tropical zodiac, which shifted 2000 years ago. Even if horoscopes were real, they wouldnt be accurate because the shifting of our position in observing stars.
Remember, it was only instituted because a bunch of men looked up and were amazed and somehow thought that what they percieved as tiny points of light in the "firmament" may have guided their destinies and behaviours.
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
People don't understand astrology. Trust me I was the most scientifically oriented guy. I thought astrology was pure bs. Until i began to read hermetics. I found that astrology is a universal language used to explain the fractal nature of our universe. also known as "as above, so below" astronomy and all the sciences of the world are actually one, and all religions and science are also one, this is what hermitics and astrology teach. astrology explains how our all our universe is connected.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
Scientific data? Mileniums of observation in almost every culture, efects on crabs and some animals and humans among them. But its not mine to tell and provide full research on youtube..Go read some books.
If human can "know" how world was created (if it ever was). And has evidence of that + its "testable" .. than you got me.. i'm superstitious..
Astrology is not for everyone anyway..specialy not for self-named scientist.
SuperPlural 1 year ago
@SuperPlural "Mileniums of observation" Observation alone is not scientific data. If the planets do influence us then why not Black Holes? these are the most powerful phenomena in the known universe, or how about quasars? why are these things not included in star charts?. What is the effect it has on crabs?. Your right astrology is not for science as science has advanced human civilisation more than Astrology ever will.
ZuluFightrunner 1 year ago
wth?! astrology isnt a superstition! it can actually be proven! it's only superstion to those who haven't studied it in depth... how can u believe ANYthing if you know NOTHING about it?
MiSs215Live 1 year ago
@MiSs215Live And the peer reviewed scientific papers that back up astrology ... ?
ZuluFightrunner 1 year ago
@ZuluFightrunner Who needs "peer reviewed scientific papers" to prove astrology's a science when you have actual people who WITNESS the proof EVERYDAY. Scientists fail to study it in depth. They stay on the surface, only reading about Sun signs when there's SO MUCH MORE to it. Almost everyone knows their Sun sign, but how many people actually know their ascendant, moon, venus, mars, etc? Just like you, scientists still have A LOT more to learn.
MiSs215Live 1 year ago
@MiSs215Live "Who needs "peer reviewed scientific papers" to prove astrology's a science when you have actual people who WITNESS the proof EVERYDAY. "
I witnessed an invisible magic pink duck called Bruce that controls my personality. Who needs evidence when I witness Bruce every day and you have never studied Bruce in any depth so don't call it a superstition.
ZuluFightrunner 1 year ago
@ZuluFightrunner lol Ur a lame.. No wonder you think it's a superstition. You obviously don't derserve such knowledge.
MiSs215Live 1 year ago
@MiSs215Live You are perhaps the funniest example of retardation that I've ever seen.
Give me proof that astrology is proven.
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda heres your proof, egyptians celebrated sirius A, which in their culture was Isis, every time Isis rose above the horizon it signaled the coming of the flood, this was true for them as it is true for the rest of the world, flood season, that is astrology/astronomy, astrology is like the essence of astronomy.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP That's nothing more than a calendar. What I mean by astrology is the interpretation of the arrangement of stars to influence individuals lives.
What that was was actual astronomy, more or less. Astrology is to astronomy as Alchemy is to Chemistry. They were early starts at these sciences but weren't actually accurate very much.
the proof I desire is the effects of an arrangement of stars manipulating the "strings", so to speak of human behaviour without "observation".
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda Well it has been proven that the moon has a physical effect on our oceans, low tides, and high tides. It has been found that the moon also has effects on wildlife as well during the tides. It has been predicted that because every cell in the human body is made of water therefore the moon also has an effect on human beings.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP Gravity and Orbital mechanics neatly answers your point there. It is well understood how the gravitational effect of the moon affects the oceans on earth no need to invoke any kind of new-age woo.
ZuluFightrunner 1 year ago
@ZuluFightrunner Lol i'm not envoking any new age crap. Those are the other people claiming that astrology has some magical effect on people. I'm kind of in the middle of both.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda The stars do not have an effect on humans, lol. they are merely an ancient universal language people can use to understand nature's fractal reality. Yea there is alot of bad information out there about astrology. Trust me it has nothing to do with anything the media talks about. astrology can be used to measure the cycles of the universe.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP I grant you that you're right about the moon. It's been documented. But there is no other way that any object in space, other than shit about to collide or giving us energy or whatever, can affect our behaviour other than observation and ponderance of the observations.
No position of planet or other celestial object being within a pattern of stars capable of being observed can affect human behaviour unless someone goes out of their way to, like Horoscope believers.
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda the thing is that we and everything in this universe is connected by electomagnetism, infinite vibrations slowed to materialize into physical matter. I don't believe in the horoscope that is a misinterpretation of what astrology is. the horoscope implies that we are individuals, but there is no such thing as individuality.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP you want to prove that there is no such thing as an individual?
Everything depends upon scale.
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda The self. or individual is merely an interpretation of specific sound vibrations. Everything has its own unique sound vibration including people. Ultimately, all these sound vibrations are connected, at this point the individual is a mere illusion with limited freedom of will.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP I dont think you know what you're talking about.
Matter is not sound vibrations. sound is the vibration of matter, mostly gases.
Can you prove that everything is connected? where are you getting this crap?
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda Lol, I can tell I am getting under your skin. Wow. Matter does not exist unless there is concious observer, if you do not have a conscious observer then all there is an infinite amount of energy. matter is the slowed vibration of energy which produces sound. matter and sound are the same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS WHY I STATED THAT EVERYTHING IS MADE OF SOUND, WHICH IS THE PRODUCT OF SLOWED VIBRATION OF ENERGY, HENCE MATTER!!!
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP you are getting under my skin because of the blatant disregard for fact. Whether or not tehre is an observer, matter is still matter. Just because it's still energy doesnt mean that it's not still in a different configuration and setup. The only thing that doesnt exist if there is not a conscious observer is the definition. Matter is dense energy, almost. Matter produces sound when it vibrates. Sound does not make anything but sound. Sound does not make everything. Energy does.
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda is it me that does not know what I am talking about? or are you upset because you do not understand? perhaps you haven't read deep enough into the subject? how do you know that you are not the one that is wrong? You ask me to prove it, how about you prove that it is not!!!
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP Well you're the one making the claims so therefore the burden of proof is on you. You're acting like this because you're afraid someone's seen through your bullshit ruse. Sound is energy in the form of matter moving. You're oversimplifying concepts you read in wikipedia to the point where you're getting them wrong. Or you're listening to some New-ager.
Additionally, you dont understand the fact that theory has two meanings, one in the layman's context and one in the scientific.
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda Like I said, in your mind, people don't understand because I guess you feel as if you have life figured out. The point that I was trying to make from the beginning was to not throw out astrology and put it down simply because you don't understand it, then you did what every idiot that is a self proclaimed scientist does, demanding proof, Shit, I am not trying to convince you or to change your way of thinking, simply request for to open your brain up.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP One must not open their mind so much that their brain falls out. We fully understand it, astrology is not a science, it is a protoscience. There is no accuracy to it, there is no actual form to it other than horoscopes and they've been extensively debunked, etc. I never claimed to have life figured out. As a matter of fact I have a lot of trouble with my life. but I still go out of my way to debunk junk science when I see it. Creationism, HHO, everything. Including this.
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda One must open their mind enough to understand that we are being spoon fed what we should preceive as reality. I never spoke about horoscopes so i do not know where you are getting that from. I have never mentioned a word about creationism, in your mind astrology is not a science although you agreed with me that the sun and the moon do have a direct effect on people, although the planet jupiter whos powerful gravitational pull.....
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP I'll give you Jupiter, indirectly. The gravity of Jupiter allowed us to survive uninterrupted by meteoric impacts. Astrology is a protoscience.
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda attracts large asteroids towards it and keeps them from hitting our planet. hmmmm. Yea you are right that is junk science, just like the calendar that you follow ever day, and live your life by, purely astrological, 12 months that mirror the zodiac, 365 days in numerology based on the sun, months based on the moon, hmmm seven days in a week, the symbolism in the money that you use every day to buy food and other things in the store, the number 13 is repeated over and over.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP Did I say junk science? I said PROTOSCIENCE, not PSEUDOSCIENCE. Although they are closely related... Protoscience at least deserves an honorable mention since it kickstarted shit.
What does currency have to do with astrology? and where is the number 13 repeated?
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda The people that made the United States' currency are extremely obsessed with astrology. sorry if I have bad spelling today, I am tired. Take a good look at your currency, assuming that you are from the United States, the number 13 is repeated several times within it, and not because of the 13 colonies! America was founded by freemasons, like george washington. freemasonry, hermetics, astrology are all connected.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
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@SCRulerShinoda oh, and you did say junk science lol "As a matter of fact I have a lot of trouble with my life. but I still go out of my way to debunk junk science when I see it. Creationism, HHO, everything. Including this."
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP yeah, at that point. Afterwards i called it protoscience.
And I'm from Canada so I dont care about american currency.
And yes, energy is a constant that needs to be used. We use energy by consumption of living cells in metabolism. we use it through mechanical, chemical, and thermal for fuel from fossil fuels. We use mechanical energy in Hydroelectricity and such. We only know of so many energies but we can detect them all. As for your discrepancy with history...
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda I bet you actually believe that we are in the year 2010 and that humans are the most advanced we have ever been because of all the machines we have built to make our lives easier based on explosive energy and to think otherwise would be moronic. You probably believe that something must be completely logical before one can accept something as fact, although nothing can ever be proven 100 percent, and throughout your enire life in school you have been...
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP We are in the year 2010 CE, corresponding to the Christian Calendar, in a number of other cultures the dates vary wildly, but it's been around 10000 years of recorded history. Additionally, I'd like you to point out a time when mankind had more technology or understanding about the universe than now. Not everything's based off of explosive energy. Something should be logical before it is accepted as fact. Most things are. And you're right, nothing is 100 percent.
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda Yes you speak of the gregorian calendar, the same calendar that was forced on to countless people worldwide after the destruction of their civilizations. Although there are 10,000 years of recorded history, it is inconsistent. First they thought that the pyramids were built by slaves some 2500 years ago, then the date kept being pushed back until now there is a new theory that states those pyramids could have been built as far back as 15,000 years ago.....
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda That is history, it keeps getting re-written, also, there is no known book that can be used as a valid source to accurately pinpoint history, it is all based on someone's interpretation of the "facts". I cannot really show how ancient people were more advanced, John Anthony West however does make some pretty impressive points about ancient egypt, look up Magickal egypt. He gives a brief introduction into what his studies have led him to discover.....
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda Again, I cannot say that Anthony is right, but this what I am slowly studying. Understanding these structures and the level of their sophistication. All I am saying is do not discredit shaman cultures without understanding them first, there is a reason why mayans could predict eclipses hundreds of years in the future with a few seconds of error, you and I can't even predict the weather. Last point, explosive energy was the primary form of
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda energy used for at least 100 years, it is just recently that humans are now beginning to use alternative forms of energy.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda don't get me wrong, I love astronomy, quantum physics, etc. but i feel that in order for us to better understand reality we must incorporate science to ancient religious believes.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP I dont think that ancient religious beliefs are useful and applicable within science. Most of it is hubris and pourquoi tales invented to explain something that the ancient men couldn't understand. We have a much greater grasp of the universe now and I dont think it would help many people other than a few xenophobic people who need their security blanket of faith to incorporate science into ancient religion and vice versa.
SCRulerShinoda 1 year ago
@SCRulerShinoda The problem is that these religious text are symbolic, they have deep hidden meaning that we are now beginning to understand. The egyptians had a mythology that was so advanced beyond our knowledge, that we think that egyptians worshipped humans with heads of animals. or that the garden of eden actually existed.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP I think that modern science is doing a damned fine job of understanding reality, For example how would incorporating ancient religions have assisted us in mapping the human genome ?.
ZuluFightrunner 1 year ago
@ZuluFightrunner You are right, science is doing a great job understanding reality, this is why I love quantum physics, science is also doing a fine job catching up to ancient knowledge which is occult in ancient hermetic principles. It is not the religion which i am defending, it is the symbolism hidden with in religions all over the world, that only the few ellite understand. It is because we mapped the human genome, that we understand what shamans have understood for thousands of years.....
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@ZuluFightrunner ...That our bodies are made from approx 95 percent water, not 70 percent, the mapping of the human genome proved that the human body is actually closer to 80 percent water. Also proved that humans did not evolve from each other, that we are fractals of our environment.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@MiSs215Live How do you explain the physical affect that the planets have on us miniscule humans? Any effects that celestial bodies such as Mars or Venus would have would be effectively drowned out by the Sun. Also, if you could prove that astrology were true and scientific, do you realize the kind of money you could rake in?
AmericanAviator 1 year ago
@MiSs215Live
However much you might THINK you know something, unless you can actually SHOW it, then you DON'T know it, and you shouldn't say that you do!
DarkAngel182 1 year ago
@DarkAngel182 i read your message about proven something. I respond to you with this quote from plato " I know I am intelligent because I know that I know nothing" pretty much saying that nothing can really be proven because we are merely an illusion being preceived by the infinite universe. we can't ever know anything in an infinite web of knowledge.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP well, its true to say that there is no such thing as "absoloute certainty", however unless you are able to demonstrate what you are saying to a certain degree of probability, then there's no reason to accept.
DarkAngel182 1 year ago
astro (star) nomy (nomen) = star naming
astro logy (logos) = star study
both are scientific and valid according to Johannes Kepler
DuctapePenguin 1 year ago
@DuctapePenguin And according to Newton alchemy is a valid science. Also if Astrology is scientific can you point me to some peer reviewed literature that supports it?
ZuluFightrunner 1 year ago
arghh...no sound..../sob =/
UnknownEvent 2 years ago
Well done ! Astronomy is science an astrology nothing
GreekAlexander1 3 years ago
thank you, still sad to see so many follow astrology.
FightrunnerTV 3 years ago
explain 2 me how it sad 2 follow astrology u think it bullshit right? then plz discredit it with words not picture ....
blackdove23 3 years ago
Because astrology has no scientific basis and is a pseudo-science. The object of the video was to show that when compare to the amazing things we learn through astronomy the superstition of astrology pales into insignificance.
ZuluFightrunner 3 years ago
@ZuluFightrunner Very argumentative .. just like video..
SuperPlural 1 year ago
@SuperPlural He asked a question and then I gave an answer. Astrology has no scientific data to back it up.
ZuluFightrunner 1 year ago
@ZuluFightrunner ye and sky isn't blue if you say so and make a video about it..
SuperPlural 1 year ago
@SuperPlural Welcome to the free speech zone. I never said the veracity of Astrology depended on my opinion to quote me directly "Astrology has no scientific data to back it up. " now do you have any peer reviewed scientific data that contradicts this ?
ZuluFightrunner 1 year ago
@ZuluFightrunner many good scientist studied astrology Copernicus,Newton,Kepler,Carl Yung etc
There are who knows how many books from thousands of years of experience/observation if you bother to look into, and those observations proved there is pattern in human behavior depending on the planet placement. Its a study its not a stupid "bigbang" theory..
SuperPlural 1 year ago
@SuperPlural i've tried to post some links but you tube doesn't allow them..
SuperPlural 1 year ago
@SuperPlural Newton Also studied Alchemy does that make Alchemy a valid field of study?. Also I asked for peer reviewed scientific data that backs up the veracity of astrology not the personal beliefs of a few scientists. "Its a study its not a stupid "bigbang" theory". Your right, the big bang has mountains of evidence, is testable and is backed up by the scientific research completely different to Astrology. So can you provide any scientific data to back up Astrology ?
ZuluFightrunner 1 year ago
@ZuluFightrunner there is no actual proof for the big bang theory...it just a theory. although i agree with it. nothing can be proven 100 percent.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@maximusTLP So you claim to have been "scientifically minded" but you throw out the "just a theory argument" ?. In science a theory is a model that explains the observed facts e.g. Theory of Relativity, Germ Theory, etc.
"there is no actual proof for the big bang theory" nice quote mine read back what I wrote I said evidence, not proof but hey your into pseudo-science so i expect dishonesty as part of the deal. (cont)
ZuluFightrunner 1 year ago
So Cosmic background radiation and the abundance of light elements both if which are predictions of the Big Bang theory do not exist in your eyes? And Hubble's law of expansion? Nearly all the observations and measurements we make of the universe fit with the big bag model.
ZuluFightrunner 1 year ago
@ZuluFightrunner well lets talk about your research papers, for a long time it was believed that atoms were the smallest observable particle but then they found quarks then they found that matter doesn't even exist until you have an observer, my point is that pretty much everything that has been "proven" has been thrown out the freaking window. Someone who truly has an interest in science will keep an open mind, that is why i began to study astrology...........
maximusTLP 1 year ago
@ZuluFightrunner because i saw a connection between what you call invalid or "voodoo" and what you accept as real science. and the whole theory thing, you can observe all the facts that you want, it is still a theory.
maximusTLP 1 year ago
I've always been afraid that if you quantify something, you take its mystery and wonderment away. But who can say that, on a clear night, they haven't stood staring at the sky awestruck by the sheer size and magnitude of the universe. Sure, I know what a star is, but it doesn't make it any less dazzling.
I'm especialy mesmerized every time I see images of other galaxies taken by the Hubble telescope.
Thought the song was spot on too Cal.
kevbob79 3 years ago