Sorry I was referring to some previous comments I should have replied to the comments I was talking about but they were numerous and I was using my phone. I have no qualms about the video it was great I love ancient history and the Semetics(Hebrews, Canaanite/phoenician, etc) are my favorite since they were fairly unique. A Key to really understanding a people and their culture is to find and correctly translate the stories and histories they left behind
Haha come on man you can hit up Google and find hundreds of sites with more than good evidence that the Hebrew history is flawed and also borrowed from previous/contemporary societies. Not all of the bible has a lot of truth but not all of it is true and that has been proven by scientists AND Men of the Cloth. Not believing the bible or popular religions doesn't make you an Athiest either its Agnostic unless you don't believe in a higher being at all...
Hey atheist do you beleive these facts presented in this video, or do you have your "OWN VERSION". since you don't beleive in the ancient Jewish history of the Jews. You say it is "flawed", so what is the truth of ancient Jewish history? Since you see the Bible as a fairy-tale, what is the truth about Jewish history of over 4000 years. Step up to the plate&give your "truthful" version, since you know more than non-atheist scholars.
this series is absolutely worth making a professional version, and doing voice dubbing in other languages!! For most of the world don't speak in Hebrew , but if we want to know more accurate the language , and the culture of the Hebrew, that we can understand the Bible better, we've gotta know some facts. your study is valuable to much.
@palpal2011 Thank you for the compliment. I have completed the revisions to this video and will be making it available in a DVD shortly. I have considered doing it in other languages, but that will take some time.
@ancienthebreworg It would be awesome to translate all of your (or at least the most essentials videos) series to Finnish. Your series have been such a blessing! I feel like being home in Avraham's tent when watching your videos.
Part7b.END.Peace be upon you, I am doing my job, and all who want to hurt me so that I should not work to bring back the house of David that is crumbling in Cameroun, the symbolical Dreadful Hand of the Living God of Israel is against them. Yihsaayih.
Part7.its means “Here, place of origin”. It is indeed from the old Hebrew language that we speak in Africa, for we relocated in Cameroun, that have merged most modern words. Look, from the Hebrew word “Hey”, had merged the English word “Here”, that also indicates a place, and the direction. Peace be upon you, I am doing my job, and all who want to hurt me so that I should not work to bring back the house of David that is crumbling in Cameroun,the symbolical Dreadful Hand of the Living God
Part6.FOREARM of God. 10 times in the bible you read “the Hand of God is against the enemies of his people, or His FOREARM protects His servant”. It is with the HAND that one demonstrates Strength. Plus the word itself GYH, means STRENGTH in our language. The other word is Daleh. The” Da” means “ household”, and the Le’h, or Lah” means “country, village”. The word “Hey”, pronounced in our language “Hay”, is an indication of place and origin
Part5.ORIGIN”. The meaning of each word. Aleh= HE SAID. BEH=I AM. GYH=STRENGTH. Scholars usually thing that the image of the word “Gy’h” is the Camel. Even so, the Camel represents STRENGTH, for it carries people and their belongings. But it is not a camel, instead it is the image of a long staff that they drew, with an ELBOW at the end. It is the symbolical HAND or FOREARM of God.10 times in the bible you read “the Hand of God is against the enemies of his people, or His FOREARM
Part4.Remember it was the priests, servants of God that invented our paleo alphabet. At that time, the alphabet was designed only to write the messages they received from Yahweh God. That is why the language itself is called sacred, for the first layers of its foundations from the time it was invented, were about God creating the world, and the prophets receiving his messages. One more time, the first 5 word-letters mean “ “HE SAID, I AM , THE STRENGTH of the HOUSE , COUNTRY, PLACE of
Part3.It was the images that our forefathers drew, images representing each word. The word “Aleh” had an image that represents it, the word “Beh” had an image representing it… Cousins European turned around the images and afterward modernized the images they have turned around. The first 5 set of words at the beginning of the alphabet are the replica of the words that came directly out of the mouth of Yahweh the Living God of Israel, Yihsaayih.
Part2.Aleph, Behyt, Gimmel, Dalet, and Hey. Here I show you their most accurate spelling according to the usage of our language. Aleh, Beh, Gy’h, Dale’h, and Hey. You see that not much is changed from the way that scholars though brilliant but are not natives of the language spell them. Unlike the modern alphabet, our old alphabet are made of words, not letters like A, B, C…One thing inspired our cousins the Europeans, to create the modern alphabet you use today
Part1.To help you.As you recite the old alphabet in the original tongue, the first 5 word-letters mean “ “HE SAID, I AM , The STRENGHT of the HOUSE , COUNTRY, Place of ORIGIN”.In the e.mail I sent to you yesterday, The Living God that guards my life allowed me to point out what the many did not know about the old Hebrew language. That “Beh” the second word-letter of the alphabet, also means “to be, and I AM. The 5 first word-letters of our sacred alphabet are:
It appears (Yah)(w) took the Hamatic Canaanite language and twisted it a little to make a holy tongue out of it for the Israelites. Because clearly in 2 Kings 18:26 Aramaic and Hebrew aren't the same.
May I suggest you have the production done professionally.....with a professional voice over person. Your audio is distorting because your audio recording quality is poor. Let me know if I can be of assistance.
@talentscoutpa I am in the process of re-editing the entire series for DVD (with a better mic :-). I wish I could have this done professionally, but I think that would be a little expensive. You asked if you could be of assistance, what do you have in mind?
Being that theres a hebrew form of pro cananite ( though I don't know what that means or how it was distinguished from the others), it does point to an even older form of the language. But akkadian is the oldest semitic language. Some of the oldest akkadian cuneiforn goes back to 3000 B.C not the 10th century B.C. If hebrew is the original shouldn't it have more affinities to that though?
@FulltimeDabbler The point I am trying to make in the video is that Hebrew, Akkadian and all the other Semitic languages come from a proto-Semitic language. I am not saying that Hebrew is the origin of Akkadian, but Semitic is the origin of them both.
Well hebrew and akkadian are semetic languages in themselves, I don't know what that means "semetic is the origin of them both." Proto (like precursor) Semetic? I see what you're saying...And my comment(s) werent 4 the poster, because obviously that claim isn't made in the video.
The Moabite Stone not only has writing akin to the ancient Hebrews', but the language is like it freakin' jumps outta the language of Biblical Hebrew itself!
(I can read it and such inscriptions is why I can say this.) The plural masculine ending is 'n' instead of ancient Hebrew's 'm', except, strangely, in the case of the word for 'dawn', 'shacharayim', which is identical to a Biblical Hebrew word.
in sharp contrast, the shemites, summerians akkadians dont really have slaves. their beliefs made THEM the slaves to THE GODS. they would be a nation of priests. As for Japeth it seems taht their blessing was geared towards dispersion and growth much like the seafaring ppl of the Mediterranean, and horse riding Scythian and cimri
the talmud isnt really a great source of insight. It was a great rule book for the time, but too many of my peeps still concern themselves with it. remember Ham was cursed by Noah not god, which would mean the curse breakable, it would run it's course in due time. But what is important to note is that Ham's children at least 'historically' did introudce legitmate slavery. Egypt, Kush, Ethiopia, all enforced slavery. it spread farther out west into africa as well.
Why does Hebrew have so many forms from one country to the next and visually looks different? I know there were numerous contacts and migrations and certain things get adopted but some of these written languages are pretty much identical to the other non hebrew peoples. Not only the caananite form but also aramaic/syriac right? And probably some others to. So what exactly is tying them altogether? What makes them all hebrew?
Cuz they all were derived from the original one language? (Gen. 11:1). And they were still closely linked for it was shortly after the Babel confusion of language (Gen. 11:6-9).
Well, like Jeff mentioned in on of his vids before; the earliest finds of a Semitic writing is dated as far back as 2000BCE. However since archaeology is progressing , it is very well possible, the date will be pushed back further into time, with the new finds. Then we will hopefully find some writings of the original first language., whether it is the Sumerian cuneiform or something else. But basically Yah/God is always right.
True. What we know so far, is that the Sumerian cuneiform writings are the oldest finds. If that is the oldest written and spoken one language, than that was the one language of Noah, his wife and all their offspring and spouses were expressing themselves in, till the confusion of language. So one cannot specificly speak abt a Semitic original language, for there were 3 sons and their wives.
Only one of those sons, Shem, can be "semetic" Although Shemites, the Sumerian and Elamite language wasn't really semetic, to my knowledge that comes in around the akkadian and babylonian times, and babylon was the product of the Hamite, Nimrod.
@deborahbetty58 The fact that not every tribe or people in history had a written form of their language -does that mean theirs is later in time than that of people who had writing? See what I mean? Israelites appear not to have left many monumental inscriptions behind (or we haven't found 'em, or they were destroyed). Doesn't mean their history is recent. Just beause we haven't found writings signed Noah or Abraham doesn't mean they didn't speak Hebrew.
@FulltimeDabbler If you look at it from strictly a Biblical standpoint: every name until shortly after the Flood -all Hebrew names, not just because Hebrews wrote it. When names of foreigners appear, like Potiphar, Arioch, Chedorlaomer, we know these aren't Hebrew, confirmed by finds in their lands. God confused the language of the rebels at Babel. Anyone not involved (Shem, Noah, their followers who worshipped Jehovah) wouldn't have been 'tongue-tied' if ya know what I mean.
So you saying hebrews and or shemites were (followers) not affected by the confounding of languages in babel therefore it's the original? Yet paleo hebrew is practically identical to the caananite script who are hamites like those of babel and even before that they wrote in a totally different pictographic script that has some affinities to mizraim whom are also hamites. If what you say is true these people werent effected neither yet each has their own forms instead of 1.
If you look at it from a linguistic pov all semetic languages are one branch of the afroasiatic languages and I don't know of any hebrew from predating many of the earliest languages they have relationships with. Hebrew should come up in the archeological record b4 any of these to detect a source. What I'd like to know is with all these forms proto cannanite,aramaic,paleo how are people able to determine whats hebrew and whats not in the 1st place?
What I'm saying stands to logic, but I'd like to know what you think about this:
That the Canaanites spoke a tongue similar to Hebrew doesn't mean they always did. If you look at the history of the near east or the world, there are plenty of people who speak a language not originally their own.
It just seems a lot of these early forms are not coming from people of the shemetic nation. I don't even see how Akkadian is "semetic" when biblically those aren't shemetic (seed of shem) people. Nimrod not only invaded but built cities there correct? The language of the people of Ur (Sumerians/Abrahams home) who actually predate Akkad, isn't considered semetic. Is it possible we need to reevaluate what semetic is or isn't?
I am not questioning whether or not hebrew speakers were around when Khamites were using the medu neter but more so the origin of semetic languages and the original tongue before the confounding of languages which took place in a Hamitic city. I question if semetic is indeed that original language or of the derivatives. Yes there are many people who speak a language not originally their own, I wonder if post Sumerian Mesopotamians and Hebrews themselves fall in that category.
...And if Semtic is that original language how come it's first spoken in Akkad? Nimrods city? And everything b4 that isn't considered semetic at all? See what I'm saying?
@FulltimeDabbler Again, from a Biblical stanpoint: Remember Nimrod invaded Semitic territory. It seems his rule didn't completely subjugate them, for these territories kept speaking Semitic languages and others. You shouldn't (in my opinion) conclude that a language must be the oldest one simply on the grounds that it has the oldest preserved inscription. There are many Egyptian inscriptions predating Hebrew ones, doesn't mean Hebrew-speakers weren't around.
@FulltimeDabbler The Bible simply does not give enough details to explain why or when the Canaanites started speaking 'Hebrew', or even when or why the Egyptians spoke a language with Semitic elements in it. The Bible indicates that Mesopotamia -largely a Semitic place- held sway over Canaan in the time of Abraham. Is it possible this domination influenced Semitic dialects in the ancient Levant? Possibly, no?
@FulltimeDabbler Look at the example of the Philistines. They aren't Semitic by descent, but they sure spoke a language like Hebrew as well. We know they came from the Aegean both from the Bible and archaeology, so it stands to reason that they simply adopted the Semitic language of the country they settled in. It doesn't mean, for example, that these Hamites were the original speakers of Hebrew any more than the Canaanites were.
cookie monster is right. only one of the sons of Ham would be black and that would be Cush. ppl have used the Ham curse to simply discrimnate against africans, but the Torah doesnt specify Ham to simply be black white or whatever. Color doesn't really exist in Torah
LOL the cookie monster as a 'reliable' source of history! The Torah, doesn't seem to specify the colour of skin from either the off spring of Ham, Shem or Japheth as a major specification/attribute. Though it can be pretty hot in those areas. Strangly enough, somewhere in the Talmud however, Ham is associated with a curse of black skin. Though in Gen. 9: 25-27. Ham gets the hear a curse concerning his son Canaan. Whatever that curse might have been or may (still) be.
In Gen. 10:15-18; the table of nations, in verse 18 it is written that afterward the off spring of Canaan were scattered abroad. After what? I wouldn't know. As an indication, typically enough this is also written as part of the curse on the Hebrew Israelites in Lev. 26; Deut. 28, 30:3;. Hos. 9:9. Curses are issued, after warnings against obnoxious, repetitive behavioural patterns, and afterward that, when ppl will not take heed of the warnings; the curses will come to pass, like a judgment.
The descendents of SHEM and HAM were of various nationalities. And so were the Israelites and the 10 lost tribes. Ham was not simply the so-called black man and Shem was not simply the so-called white man, which, according to the bible, is the sons of Esau (Edom and Edomites), Jacob's twin brother.
Good observation. Actually this sarcophagus was made at a time when there was a heavy Egyptian influence in this area. But the inscription is Phoenician, not Egyptian.
@DJChinChin Got that right! -But like the good doctor says, Egypt had a huge artistic influence on the Levant. Even several ancient Israelite seals (those of Hezekiah, Jezebel -who wasn't an Israelite but same point- and several others) show Egyptian iconography.
I can't think of a people in history, who's culture seems to have affected others more so than the children of Noah (whatever their real names were).The flood narrative almost certainly has some historical fact in it. Given the promise made to Abraham about his porsterity, and just how it was and is being accomplished even today, I find it astonishing that the world for the most part, overlooks these facts.
One thing which is beyond doubt, is that the Semitic (Hebrew--Shem) culture, was scattered throughout the known world, and possibly the new world long before anyone may have been aware of. This fact makes Abraham's covenant with God almost appear to be a historical fact in my estimation.
One of the books I read years ago that completely revolutionized my perspective on the history and influence of the Semitic culture was "The Key" by John Phillip Kohane. He uses place names (which usually retain their original names through the centuries) found around the whole world to show a Semitic influence in ancient times.
Sorry I was referring to some previous comments I should have replied to the comments I was talking about but they were numerous and I was using my phone. I have no qualms about the video it was great I love ancient history and the Semetics(Hebrews, Canaanite/phoenician, etc) are my favorite since they were fairly unique. A Key to really understanding a people and their culture is to find and correctly translate the stories and histories they left behind
Jordo713 5 months ago
Haha come on man you can hit up Google and find hundreds of sites with more than good evidence that the Hebrew history is flawed and also borrowed from previous/contemporary societies. Not all of the bible has a lot of truth but not all of it is true and that has been proven by scientists AND Men of the Cloth. Not believing the bible or popular religions doesn't make you an Athiest either its Agnostic unless you don't believe in a higher being at all...
Jordo713 5 months ago
@Jordo713 This video is about Ancient Hebrew inscriptions, not the Bible, so I am a little confused about the purpose of your post.
ancienthebreworg 5 months ago
Hey atheist do you beleive these facts presented in this video, or do you have your "OWN VERSION". since you don't beleive in the ancient Jewish history of the Jews. You say it is "flawed", so what is the truth of ancient Jewish history? Since you see the Bible as a fairy-tale, what is the truth about Jewish history of over 4000 years. Step up to the plate&give your "truthful" version, since you know more than non-atheist scholars.
RonSafreed 6 months ago
this series is absolutely worth making a professional version, and doing voice dubbing in other languages!! For most of the world don't speak in Hebrew , but if we want to know more accurate the language , and the culture of the Hebrew, that we can understand the Bible better, we've gotta know some facts. your study is valuable to much.
palpal2011 11 months ago
@palpal2011 Thank you for the compliment. I have completed the revisions to this video and will be making it available in a DVD shortly. I have considered doing it in other languages, but that will take some time.
ancienthebreworg 10 months ago
@ancienthebreworg It would be awesome to translate all of your (or at least the most essentials videos) series to Finnish. Your series have been such a blessing! I feel like being home in Avraham's tent when watching your videos.
peteliuz79 7 months ago
@palpal2011 I totally agree with you. Somekind of professional "national geographic" style would be awesome with nice graphics, photos etc.
peteliuz79 7 months ago
Shalawm teach Brother
timadella 1 year ago
Part7b.END.Peace be upon you, I am doing my job, and all who want to hurt me so that I should not work to bring back the house of David that is crumbling in Cameroun, the symbolical Dreadful Hand of the Living God of Israel is against them. Yihsaayih.
LaSheuMusic 1 year ago
@LaSheuMusic For pays? So paysan them na hebrews.
Cameroun Obosso
estorpai 4 months ago
Part7.its means “Here, place of origin”. It is indeed from the old Hebrew language that we speak in Africa, for we relocated in Cameroun, that have merged most modern words. Look, from the Hebrew word “Hey”, had merged the English word “Here”, that also indicates a place, and the direction. Peace be upon you, I am doing my job, and all who want to hurt me so that I should not work to bring back the house of David that is crumbling in Cameroun,the symbolical Dreadful Hand of the Living God
LaSheuMusic 1 year ago
Part6.FOREARM of God. 10 times in the bible you read “the Hand of God is against the enemies of his people, or His FOREARM protects His servant”. It is with the HAND that one demonstrates Strength. Plus the word itself GYH, means STRENGTH in our language. The other word is Daleh. The” Da” means “ household”, and the Le’h, or Lah” means “country, village”. The word “Hey”, pronounced in our language “Hay”, is an indication of place and origin
LaSheuMusic 1 year ago
Part5.ORIGIN”. The meaning of each word. Aleh= HE SAID. BEH=I AM. GYH=STRENGTH. Scholars usually thing that the image of the word “Gy’h” is the Camel. Even so, the Camel represents STRENGTH, for it carries people and their belongings. But it is not a camel, instead it is the image of a long staff that they drew, with an ELBOW at the end. It is the symbolical HAND or FOREARM of God.10 times in the bible you read “the Hand of God is against the enemies of his people, or His FOREARM
LaSheuMusic 1 year ago
Part4.Remember it was the priests, servants of God that invented our paleo alphabet. At that time, the alphabet was designed only to write the messages they received from Yahweh God. That is why the language itself is called sacred, for the first layers of its foundations from the time it was invented, were about God creating the world, and the prophets receiving his messages. One more time, the first 5 word-letters mean “ “HE SAID, I AM , THE STRENGTH of the HOUSE , COUNTRY, PLACE of
LaSheuMusic 1 year ago
Part3.It was the images that our forefathers drew, images representing each word. The word “Aleh” had an image that represents it, the word “Beh” had an image representing it… Cousins European turned around the images and afterward modernized the images they have turned around. The first 5 set of words at the beginning of the alphabet are the replica of the words that came directly out of the mouth of Yahweh the Living God of Israel, Yihsaayih.
LaSheuMusic 1 year ago
Part2.Aleph, Behyt, Gimmel, Dalet, and Hey. Here I show you their most accurate spelling according to the usage of our language. Aleh, Beh, Gy’h, Dale’h, and Hey. You see that not much is changed from the way that scholars though brilliant but are not natives of the language spell them. Unlike the modern alphabet, our old alphabet are made of words, not letters like A, B, C…One thing inspired our cousins the Europeans, to create the modern alphabet you use today
LaSheuMusic 1 year ago
Part1.To help you.As you recite the old alphabet in the original tongue, the first 5 word-letters mean “ “HE SAID, I AM , The STRENGHT of the HOUSE , COUNTRY, Place of ORIGIN”.In the e.mail I sent to you yesterday, The Living God that guards my life allowed me to point out what the many did not know about the old Hebrew language. That “Beh” the second word-letter of the alphabet, also means “to be, and I AM. The 5 first word-letters of our sacred alphabet are:
LaSheuMusic 1 year ago
talking rocks
interstellarwonder 1 year ago 2
@interstellarwonder Yep, that is exactly what they are :-)
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
It appears (Yah)(w) took the Hamatic Canaanite language and twisted it a little to make a holy tongue out of it for the Israelites. Because clearly in 2 Kings 18:26 Aramaic and Hebrew aren't the same.
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afterraincomessun 1 year ago
May I suggest you have the production done professionally.....with a professional voice over person. Your audio is distorting because your audio recording quality is poor. Let me know if I can be of assistance.
talentscoutpa 1 year ago
@talentscoutpa I am in the process of re-editing the entire series for DVD (with a better mic :-). I wish I could have this done professionally, but I think that would be a little expensive. You asked if you could be of assistance, what do you have in mind?
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
@ancienthebreworg This series is so good I thought it was made by National Geographic or Discovery.
Informatively it's even better than most of the professional productions.
theKingOfTheTrolls 1 year ago
@theKingOfTheTrolls Thank you for the compliment, it is appreciated.
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
Being that theres a hebrew form of pro cananite ( though I don't know what that means or how it was distinguished from the others), it does point to an even older form of the language. But akkadian is the oldest semitic language. Some of the oldest akkadian cuneiforn goes back to 3000 B.C not the 10th century B.C. If hebrew is the original shouldn't it have more affinities to that though?
FulltimeDabbler 1 year ago
@FulltimeDabbler The point I am trying to make in the video is that Hebrew, Akkadian and all the other Semitic languages come from a proto-Semitic language. I am not saying that Hebrew is the origin of Akkadian, but Semitic is the origin of them both.
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
@ancienthebreworg
Well hebrew and akkadian are semetic languages in themselves, I don't know what that means "semetic is the origin of them both." Proto (like precursor) Semetic? I see what you're saying...And my comment(s) werent 4 the poster, because obviously that claim isn't made in the video.
FulltimeDabbler 1 year ago
@FulltimeDabbler The Proto-Semitic langauge is the origin of all Semitic languages including Hebrew, Aramaic, Akkadian, Moabite, Amonite, and more.
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
The Moabite Stone not only has writing akin to the ancient Hebrews', but the language is like it freakin' jumps outta the language of Biblical Hebrew itself!
(I can read it and such inscriptions is why I can say this.) The plural masculine ending is 'n' instead of ancient Hebrew's 'm', except, strangely, in the case of the word for 'dawn', 'shacharayim', which is identical to a Biblical Hebrew word.
Bimfirestarter 1 year ago
@Bimfirestarter Very true Bim and thank you for the comment.
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
Thank you for giving me such wonderful information. Keep up the good work!
pinoyangelfish 1 year ago
in sharp contrast, the shemites, summerians akkadians dont really have slaves. their beliefs made THEM the slaves to THE GODS. they would be a nation of priests. As for Japeth it seems taht their blessing was geared towards dispersion and growth much like the seafaring ppl of the Mediterranean, and horse riding Scythian and cimri
Russellt0228 2 years ago
the talmud isnt really a great source of insight. It was a great rule book for the time, but too many of my peeps still concern themselves with it. remember Ham was cursed by Noah not god, which would mean the curse breakable, it would run it's course in due time. But what is important to note is that Ham's children at least 'historically' did introudce legitmate slavery. Egypt, Kush, Ethiopia, all enforced slavery. it spread farther out west into africa as well.
Russellt0228 2 years ago
Why does Hebrew have so many forms from one country to the next and visually looks different? I know there were numerous contacts and migrations and certain things get adopted but some of these written languages are pretty much identical to the other non hebrew peoples. Not only the caananite form but also aramaic/syriac right? And probably some others to. So what exactly is tying them altogether? What makes them all hebrew?
FulltimeDabbler 2 years ago
Cuz they all were derived from the original one language? (Gen. 11:1). And they were still closely linked for it was shortly after the Babel confusion of language (Gen. 11:6-9).
deborahbetty58 2 years ago
How do you confirm that original language was specifically hebrew before that event?
FulltimeDabbler 2 years ago
Well, like Jeff mentioned in on of his vids before; the earliest finds of a Semitic writing is dated as far back as 2000BCE. However since archaeology is progressing , it is very well possible, the date will be pushed back further into time, with the new finds. Then we will hopefully find some writings of the original first language., whether it is the Sumerian cuneiform or something else. But basically Yah/God is always right.
deborahbetty58 2 years ago
So basically you don't know if the original is specifically the hebrew strain of those languages correct?
FulltimeDabbler 2 years ago
True. What we know so far, is that the Sumerian cuneiform writings are the oldest finds. If that is the oldest written and spoken one language, than that was the one language of Noah, his wife and all their offspring and spouses were expressing themselves in, till the confusion of language. So one cannot specificly speak abt a Semitic original language, for there were 3 sons and their wives.
deborahbetty58 2 years ago
Only one of those sons, Shem, can be "semetic" Although Shemites, the Sumerian and Elamite language wasn't really semetic, to my knowledge that comes in around the akkadian and babylonian times, and babylon was the product of the Hamite, Nimrod.
FulltimeDabbler 2 years ago
@deborahbetty58 The fact that not every tribe or people in history had a written form of their language -does that mean theirs is later in time than that of people who had writing? See what I mean? Israelites appear not to have left many monumental inscriptions behind (or we haven't found 'em, or they were destroyed). Doesn't mean their history is recent. Just beause we haven't found writings signed Noah or Abraham doesn't mean they didn't speak Hebrew.
Bimfirestarter 1 year ago
@FulltimeDabbler If you look at it from strictly a Biblical standpoint: every name until shortly after the Flood -all Hebrew names, not just because Hebrews wrote it. When names of foreigners appear, like Potiphar, Arioch, Chedorlaomer, we know these aren't Hebrew, confirmed by finds in their lands. God confused the language of the rebels at Babel. Anyone not involved (Shem, Noah, their followers who worshipped Jehovah) wouldn't have been 'tongue-tied' if ya know what I mean.
Bimfirestarter 1 year ago
@Bimfirestarter
So you saying hebrews and or shemites were (followers) not affected by the confounding of languages in babel therefore it's the original? Yet paleo hebrew is practically identical to the caananite script who are hamites like those of babel and even before that they wrote in a totally different pictographic script that has some affinities to mizraim whom are also hamites. If what you say is true these people werent effected neither yet each has their own forms instead of 1.
FulltimeDabbler 1 year ago
If you look at it from a linguistic pov all semetic languages are one branch of the afroasiatic languages and I don't know of any hebrew from predating many of the earliest languages they have relationships with. Hebrew should come up in the archeological record b4 any of these to detect a source. What I'd like to know is with all these forms proto cannanite,aramaic,paleo how are people able to determine whats hebrew and whats not in the 1st place?
FulltimeDabbler 1 year ago
@FulltimeDabbler -Cool Pseudonym, by the way!
What I'm saying stands to logic, but I'd like to know what you think about this:
That the Canaanites spoke a tongue similar to Hebrew doesn't mean they always did. If you look at the history of the near east or the world, there are plenty of people who speak a language not originally their own.
Bimfirestarter 1 year ago
@Bimfirestarter @Bimfirestarter
It just seems a lot of these early forms are not coming from people of the shemetic nation. I don't even see how Akkadian is "semetic" when biblically those aren't shemetic (seed of shem) people. Nimrod not only invaded but built cities there correct? The language of the people of Ur (Sumerians/Abrahams home) who actually predate Akkad, isn't considered semetic. Is it possible we need to reevaluate what semetic is or isn't?
FulltimeDabbler 1 year ago
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I am not questioning whether or not hebrew speakers were around when Khamites were using the medu neter but more so the origin of semetic languages and the original tongue before the confounding of languages which took place in a Hamitic city. I question if semetic is indeed that original language or of the derivatives. Yes there are many people who speak a language not originally their own, I wonder if post Sumerian Mesopotamians and Hebrews themselves fall in that category.
FulltimeDabbler 1 year ago
...And if Semtic is that original language how come it's first spoken in Akkad? Nimrods city? And everything b4 that isn't considered semetic at all? See what I'm saying?
FulltimeDabbler 1 year ago
@FulltimeDabbler Again, from a Biblical stanpoint: Remember Nimrod invaded Semitic territory. It seems his rule didn't completely subjugate them, for these territories kept speaking Semitic languages and others. You shouldn't (in my opinion) conclude that a language must be the oldest one simply on the grounds that it has the oldest preserved inscription. There are many Egyptian inscriptions predating Hebrew ones, doesn't mean Hebrew-speakers weren't around.
Bimfirestarter 1 year ago
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FulltimeDabbler 1 year ago
@FulltimeDabbler The Bible simply does not give enough details to explain why or when the Canaanites started speaking 'Hebrew', or even when or why the Egyptians spoke a language with Semitic elements in it. The Bible indicates that Mesopotamia -largely a Semitic place- held sway over Canaan in the time of Abraham. Is it possible this domination influenced Semitic dialects in the ancient Levant? Possibly, no?
Bimfirestarter 1 year ago
@FulltimeDabbler Look at the example of the Philistines. They aren't Semitic by descent, but they sure spoke a language like Hebrew as well. We know they came from the Aegean both from the Bible and archaeology, so it stands to reason that they simply adopted the Semitic language of the country they settled in. It doesn't mean, for example, that these Hamites were the original speakers of Hebrew any more than the Canaanites were.
Bimfirestarter 1 year ago
cookie monster is right. only one of the sons of Ham would be black and that would be Cush. ppl have used the Ham curse to simply discrimnate against africans, but the Torah doesnt specify Ham to simply be black white or whatever. Color doesn't really exist in Torah
Russellt0228 2 years ago
LOL the cookie monster as a 'reliable' source of history! The Torah, doesn't seem to specify the colour of skin from either the off spring of Ham, Shem or Japheth as a major specification/attribute. Though it can be pretty hot in those areas. Strangly enough, somewhere in the Talmud however, Ham is associated with a curse of black skin. Though in Gen. 9: 25-27. Ham gets the hear a curse concerning his son Canaan. Whatever that curse might have been or may (still) be.
deborahbetty58 2 years ago
In Gen. 10:15-18; the table of nations, in verse 18 it is written that afterward the off spring of Canaan were scattered abroad. After what? I wouldn't know. As an indication, typically enough this is also written as part of the curse on the Hebrew Israelites in Lev. 26; Deut. 28, 30:3;. Hos. 9:9. Curses are issued, after warnings against obnoxious, repetitive behavioural patterns, and afterward that, when ppl will not take heed of the warnings; the curses will come to pass, like a judgment.
deborahbetty58 2 years ago
BTW, funky YUD at 3:13, methinks.
;-)
HadasahB 2 years ago
That is the paleo-Hebrew yud, very common form for that time period.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
Funky lol (~_^)
deborahbetty58 2 years ago
Superb teachings, sir, with excellent documentation.
Thank you!
HadasahB 2 years ago
Thank you and you're welcome.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
The descendents of SHEM and HAM were of various nationalities. And so were the Israelites and the 10 lost tribes. Ham was not simply the so-called black man and Shem was not simply the so-called white man, which, according to the bible, is the sons of Esau (Edom and Edomites), Jacob's twin brother.
cookiemonsterog 2 years ago
That ancient sarcophagus sure looks Egyptian to me
DJChinChin 2 years ago
Good observation. Actually this sarcophagus was made at a time when there was a heavy Egyptian influence in this area. But the inscription is Phoenician, not Egyptian.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
Multiculti in other words; those ancients got around. :-)
deborahbetty58 2 years ago
@DJChinChin Got that right! -But like the good doctor says, Egypt had a huge artistic influence on the Levant. Even several ancient Israelite seals (those of Hezekiah, Jezebel -who wasn't an Israelite but same point- and several others) show Egyptian iconography.
Bimfirestarter 1 year ago
Excellent!
ReligionThink 2 years ago
Great series.
infamos 2 years ago
Thank you.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
Now I know why why the Bnai Yisra'el could communicate to the Moabites and the Caananites.... it's all pretty much the SAME LANGUAGE
Mencel89 2 years ago
Yep, in written and verbal form.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
i watched all 7 of the "History of Hebrew" segments - they are Wonder-filled!
Todah!
i eagerly await more - okay? ;-)
HadasahB 2 years ago
I can't think of a people in history, who's culture seems to have affected others more so than the children of Noah (whatever their real names were).The flood narrative almost certainly has some historical fact in it. Given the promise made to Abraham about his porsterity, and just how it was and is being accomplished even today, I find it astonishing that the world for the most part, overlooks these facts.
canadianbacon007 2 years ago
One thing which is beyond doubt, is that the Semitic (Hebrew--Shem) culture, was scattered throughout the known world, and possibly the new world long before anyone may have been aware of. This fact makes Abraham's covenant with God almost appear to be a historical fact in my estimation.
canadianbacon007 2 years ago
One of the books I read years ago that completely revolutionized my perspective on the history and influence of the Semitic culture was "The Key" by John Phillip Kohane. He uses place names (which usually retain their original names through the centuries) found around the whole world to show a Semitic influence in ancient times.
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago
Ty , I'll definitely look into getting a copy of that.
canadianbacon007 2 years ago
Jeff, I like the layout and content. You do nice work
paulgem123 2 years ago
Thank you :-)
ancienthebreworg 2 years ago