20 Years to the Rebbe's Declaration of Redemption - Moshiach Coming in 5772 (2012)

[SarahRachel59]

Amein!

[SIROFNOBLERECORDS]

@SarahRachel59 Thank you for your responses. They were much more in detail than I expected on this channel. Now- My response.

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Question. Although your talks are based on a QBLHistic viewpoint; according to most exoteric scholars, Moshiach is but one man who fits certain criteria and comes to a certain understanding of his divinity after much trial and tribulation. Assuming both are correct, will Moshiach be the first one of which you speak who uses the paths to bring the anointing, to himself? Is this the point you are making?

[SarahRachel59]

@SIROFNOBLERECORDS The point in the video is that the Rebbe was telling his followers that he's done all he can to bring Moshiach, and that now it's up to them to make a large, loud protest, a petition, to God to bring Moshiach. He tells them that if they all do this together that God will bring Moshiach and the end of galus (exile). He says that in order to do that, first they must want Moshiach to come instead of focusing on whatever else, so wake up and make the desire.

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@SarahRachel59 Yes, this is true. That is the exoteric teaching that this gentlemen is explaining to the viewers, but after watching many of his other vids I realized that this is a personal exclamation that is made to bring Moshiach. In other words, my original question stands- is Moshiach the first to utilize QBLH (no matter the spelling) to bring down the anointing down the tree? This is a profound idea, one I think the "Rebbe" was hinting at.

[SarahRachel59]

@SIROFNOBLERECORDS P.S. Theres no such thing as a divine Jewish Messiah. The Jewish Messiah is wholly human, born of a married Jewish man and wife in the usual way. He is a very holy man, but not divine. We do not worship the Moshiach. The Sanhedrin (Jewish court) will determine if a man is the real Moshiach or not, by whether he fits the criteria and fulfills the prophecies for the Messiah to do. Since none have yet, the Rebbe was telling his followers how to make it happen.

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@SarahRachel59 Interesting, but I stated the same at first, "according to most exoteric scholars, Moshiach is but one MAN who fits certain criteria and comes to a certain understanding of his divinity after much trial and tribulation." If you are saying he is not "divine", but instead qdsh adm- I disagree, as Moshiach will surely show that all the generations of Adam are divine. Furthermore, 

[SarahRachel59]

@SIROFNOBLERECORDS No, there is no such thing as a divine Messiah, in Judaism. Not in any way, shape or form. If you believe there is, no problem, but it's not Jewish.

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@SarahRachel59 I am proclaiming that Moshiach will and can be both. Son of God, son of Man. Was this not true for all the children of Seth? Are they all not of a divine lineage? Ask your favorite Rebbe, the divinity of the "God Man" is in plain Hebrew (Ber 4:1). The English definition is: Of, from, or like God or a god. Surely you'd agree a Jewish Messiah will fit this description? "Jewish scholars wait for Moshiach, many proclaim he exists, but simple ideas like this, easily get missed." smh

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@SarahRachel59 Furthermore, the Sanhedrin don't have the authority to decide whom Moshiach is- he who "rebuilds the temple" is surely Moshiach. That's by the ancient scholars yes? Can anyone undoubtedly assure the lineage of David? or not? Surely, we will know Moshiach by his genius as it pertains to Kabbalah, Torah, Mitzvot and the truth of history. Surely, the sanhedrin will stand in awe as he explains that which was previously hidden in front of the faces of all men. One will make it happen.

[SarahRachel59]

@SIROFNOBLERECORDS Yes, the Sanhedrin has the authority to decide who Moshiach is, and in fact according to traditional Orthodox Judaism, will do exactly that. You are apparently not too familiar with Judaism or the workings of what goes on when the Jewish Messiah becomes known. Not a lot of non-Jews are, no worries. Yes, we may be able to see that a person does this or that thing that Torah says Moshiach will do, but he must do ALL of them and Sanhedrin will determine final.

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@SarahRachel59 I think you are mistaken once again.. i.e. Someone can explain things about Torah to make you and I cry, he rebuilds the temple, fights the wars of God, and follows mitzvot to the best of his knowledge (which may not fit current standards) but his lineage is untraceable... does that make him disqualified? Surely not. In all honesty, it will be the decision of YHVH Elohim who will anoint King Moshiach. I'm sure David wasn't anointed by the Sandhedrin. lol

[SarahRachel59]

@SIROFNOBLERECORDS Yes, there are many Jews today who can trace their lineage back to King David. The Abarbanel family is one, and there are many many more. Xtians are taught that the records were destroyed in the Temple - not true, the records were not kept there, but with each family inside each community. You can find today online a website dedicated to the Jewish descendents who trace their lineage to David (on the father's side, as Moshiach will also have).

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@SarahRachel59 "It's easy to play connect the dots when you hold the pen, but in the end, it will be YHVH who will know and show the lineage within." With much respect to the lineage, surely one could exist who slipped through the cracks. A Moses, a Ruth, one not expected. I love to hear Rabbi's talk about how Moshiach might not even be Jewish! :-O. This seems impossible, but the scholars explain that it is the growth pains of Moshiach that make him who he is. It is his out of the box thinking.

[SarahRachel59]

@SIROFNOBLERECORDS No Jewish scholar familiar with Judaism at all would ever say that the Messiah is not a Jew. He must be a Jew because his mother is a Jew, and he must be a direct descendent of David. On his father's side. Traceable.

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@SarahRachel59 You should restate your assumption. Another one which is incorrect, "show me the rabbi who think's Moshiach will not be a Jew." Surething... on here YOU TUBE search FUNNY RABBI. He gives Moshiach lessons in Las Vegas. Furthermore let me clarify, he will be of the lineage- this is a given, but he may not be born into a wholly Jewish family. He has to grow into his understanding. Remember as well, he is to return ALL "Jews" from exile, so it makes sense he's "unorthodox".

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@SarahRachel59 If you need another example of someone who believes that Moshiach is from the lineage, but not necessarily "Jewish" please let me know. In the mean time, do you understand how this is possible? Is this not what the Rebbe (Lubavitch) wanted when he told his followers to spread Torah? Finally, let me say, I do not wish to change your belief system, nor alter your understanding in anyway, your shock at who Moshaich is, will be just as grand as everyone else's. Just as it is written.

[SarahRachel59]

@SIROFNOBLERECORDS "It's easy to play connect the dots when you hold the pen, but in the end, it will be YHVH who will know and show the lineage within."

God has already done this in the Torah. Who will know, and the lineage within has already been revealed to the Jews by God, in the Torah. Remember that the Jews have held it sacred and unchanged for almost 4000 years. Nothing you've written comes from that, but from something strange and pagan to Judaism.

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@SarahRachel59 Yes, this is plainly written in the Torah. I have said nothing anti-Torah, nor anything pagan whatsoever. Paleli Tohorah-- furthermore, it is your understanding that much change on this subject. But as I stated above, that is not my goal here. Oh BTW, the Torah has remained unchanged fr 5000 years, this is unquestionable, but it is an IMPOSSIBILITY that you will show me within that it says Moshiach will be Jewish! I'll even give you the entire Tanakh. Nope, doesn't exist.

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@SarahRachel59 So from a scriptural perspective, it is that he is OF the lineage of David, not that he could TRACE his lineage to DAVID. This is an important point that must be understood. Is it his ability to trace his lineage that makes him qualified, or is it the blood in his veins of which he may not know of that makes him qualified? Either way, thank you for a kind and very informative conversation. I hope to hear from you soon. SHLM.

[SarahRachel59]

@SIROFNOBLERECORDS No. It is not that he is just OF the lineage of David, but he must actually be able to trace his lineage back to David. And as I said before, there are many Jewish families that can do just that. Remember that you are not coming from a Jewish perspective, you are coming from a Christian perspective according to everything you've written, so you need to understand the JEWISH Messiah from the JEWISH people not from Christians or you will have incorrect info.

[SarahRachel59]

@SIROFNOBLERECORDS P.P.S. :-) QBLH isn't Jewish. QBLH is really Hermetic, while Cabala is more Rosicrucian, and then the Jewish is Kabbalah. They are really different in fundamental ways, as Qabala and Cabala add in their various traditions that aren't at all Jewish. The Jewish Kabbalah doesn't add in xtianity or other traditions. Judaism and xtianity are pretty opposite in their doctrines and beliefs so Jewish Kabbalah doesn't include it. Or the Hermetic.

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@SarahRachel59 Oh BOY! I agree, wholeheartedly I prefer to say that QBLH, as with most knowledge that came into the world, is originally Kemetic/African as is the Hebrew Language (Afro-Asiatic). Please remember also that QBLH is also Asian in it's branches, stemming in a different fashion from Tibet, India and China as well. The truth is one. Isn't Moshiach supposed to do something about that as well? Unite the world under one God? :-D. Nice talking to you. SHLM.