if you really care about people getting the best quality care then you cant support socialized health care because it is a terrible system with long lines that can cause something simple to turn into a huge problem that could kill you.The reason its so expensive in america is because are stupid government made hmo's that make it so you have to have insurance even for a check up so now there is a middle man and pharmasuitical compianies will charge the maximim for medicine because people dont pay
If by socialized healthcare you mean Universal Healthcare free at the point of delivery and paid for by taxation then this is what all the industrialised nations of the world have found to be the best solution. You say that deaths are caused by queuing but surely in America people die because they cannot afford treatment.
no hospital now will turn you down because you cant pay but they would turn you down if your out of place in the line. i would rather be broke and alive instead of dead. also it would make people who need medical help regularly seem like a drag on the society and it could turn to hate for example mexicans and the mentaly challenged thats one of the ways hiltler got power and the argument that everyone else is doing it is because drug companies make trillions of dollars off that system
Failed in what way? Has any developed country other than the USA decided on a healthcare system where some citizens have healthcare while others do not?
@owchywawa has failed? where do you get this statement from and how do you back it up? If you are talking to other systems having problems ANY and all systems will have problems because that is an unavoidable reality. Look at all the problems our system has - now we have inflationary problems with the cost associated with each treatment we also have inadequate care in highly rural and urban areas, we also have doctors involved in malpractice scenarios and we also have people dying in hospitals.
there was always charity before welfare. I have known people (LITERALLY) when I was in high school and thereafter that actually said that if they had a kid they would be taken care of. Now, if someone gets pregnant and can't provide.. why is that my responsibility? This welfare system allows and encourages babys born without parents committed to thier needs. Instead of falling back on mom and dad.. there is the government (taxpayer).
There seems to be some confusion between healthcare and welfare here. The birth of the child is covered by healthcare and would be at no cost to the mother in most systems. Welfare costs would have to be the subject of another video.
There are so many aspects to healthcare that I cannot give you a yes/no answer. Clearly if someone is rich they can buy the best care money can buy. On the other hand, there are plenty of countries with UHC where objective observers and patients find the care highly satisfactory.
The difference we have is the role of government the history of the UK comes from Kingdoms which are run by few and control the wealth of the land in general, so the logical transition is a large government that plays controller of wealth and services in its country.
When the US and UK had that nasty little break up it was over the role of government, so the US comes from roots of basic laws only, and minimal government. We show our community spirit by giving donations to good charity's.
Thanks, it was a good trip. I am curious? I printed my last pay stub for 2008 & I calculate I paid about 13.2% once I receive conservatively about $2000 back on my tax return this year. (Mortgage interest is tax deductible) This is all taxes combined including Social Security, Medicare & Federal tax. Florida has a 7% sales tax on most items except food & drugs but no income tax. Some states have an income tax of 2 to 7% depending on the state. Percentage wise how does that compare with the UK?
It's much higher here, sales tax is 17.5%, then there is income tax, council tax (local police, fire service etc) and of course income tax. The overall tax burden is close to 40%
Definitely lifestyle changing. To be fair I need to add 6% that went to my share of the medical & dental insurance. That however is some what voluntary & the nice thing is we can choose. If my wife has better dental plan then I can take cash for my employer's part & so it is not a fixed % for each person just the 1 income. I asked because I wanted to know. Is the discussion only about better care or the impact on a person economic freedom & ability to live the lifestyle they want as well?
Lol, talk about anything, personally I'm watching football highlights. Interestingly the Conservative Party here are traditionally tax cutters but they have to be very careful because if they are seen as cutting back on public services they can lose votes. In the USA according to the comptroller general too many tax cuts have been promised and the federal finances are in a sorry state.
What is not reported is that tax cuts have lead to the largest revenue in the history of the US. We are actually giving the feds much more money at a lower % because of the economic stimulation it provides. We have blown the money on pork barrel spending projects not Iraq. To buy votes. That's the problem with Socialism once you get in it everyone wants to keep their perceived perk & politicians are all to happy to make sure you are dependent on them to keep approving more money.
Pork barrel spending is peculiarly American as far as I can see. If you can point out a problem with socialism I could counter and say that your Presidential elections rely too much on which candidates can raise the most campaign money. However it has occurred you have $46.4 trillion in unfunded commitments at a time when the economy has been going well. (See video GAO: USA is living beyond its means)
No doubt that way too many Americans allow themselves to get into credit card debt & buy houses & cars they cannot afford. It worries the heck out of me. But going socialist is not the answer. Pork barrel spending is peculiarly American? You have the mother of pork, free medical, unemployment & welfare that is out of this world. What would happen again if an MP wanted to cut those benifits?
I thought pork barrel spending was just the name given to when a representative tags on additional spending for his state onto a bill. Cutting benefits is difficult but as we get older as a society we are having to work past the age of 65 to pay for our retirement.
It is mostly however it is no different than providing any government program or money for votes. It is still an attempt to buy the votes. The Dems said they would put an end to it but slipped right into that habit nicely. Not to say that the Republican should have known better to start with. Not the early 90's Republican party. Sometimes I feel like I am just voting for who will take us down the socialism road slower!
Oh America will never go down that road; I would like to see though that you allow others to have a different view. I'm thinking of Venezuela, Chavez has let power go to his head but he is a democratically elected leader
Yes let's not discuss the relative merits of different sports or we'll be here all night. I went through a phase of watching your football in the 80's but not any more though I was reading about why everyone hates the Patriots today.
No one seems to like the winning team most of the time. Especially going undefeated breaking an old record. I was originally from Chicago so the Bears in the 80's where my team. Sorry Youtube is giving me trouble at times saying I have too many responses. First you get rationed healthcare then rationed responses! haha
40% total. When I add up everything taken out including 401k, company stock plan & other things that are totally optional I come to about 27% However my employer matched my 401k (private retirement account) so in effect doubles my money plus they add stock they add in. I am in no way trying to say every American has it the same but if you have a skill/education then it is not uncommon. Plus I can stop contributing if I wanted but with 100% return + interest on the money how do you do better?
I must say it's hard to explain why we accept higher taxation than you do. Poverty in a G8 country is unacceptable in my eyes and if we have to pay higher taxes to stop that happening that is appropriate I think
1 interesting note 2002 UK poverty number was 17% & in 2005 the US number was 14% with a much larger population. (% of population) In fairness I do not know how they calculate it & if it is the same calculation? Sorry I could not find the number matched year for year. Data can be hard to find sometimes. In 1968 we tried spending our way out of poverty but turns out many times people who do not want to work do not want to work even more when you give them free money & benefits! Imagine that lol!
I don't know if those figures are for absolute poverty or relative but anyway I take your point. Benefits are meant to be for people looking for work not just unemployed and they have to show they are job-seekers but yes abuses do happen.
May find this interesting? By CHISAKI WATANABE, AP Dec 28 TOKYO - 89-year-old woman died after an ambulance crew spent 2 hours trying 30 hospitals before finding 1 to accept her. She was resuscitated at the hospital but died. The other hospitals rejected her because they were full or their doctors were not available to treat her. Last year, a pregnant woman died after being refused admission by 20 hospitals, they were full. A shortage of doctors in the country.
Hmm I know nothing about the Japanese healthcare system and for 44 years this hasn't troubled me at all. I'm much more interested that in such a technologically advanced nation as the USA, the use of electronic medical records is far less widespread than it is in Europe. We are looking at a system that translates from any European language to any other!
Luckily English is still the primary language. Spanish may be before long! Ha-ha. I have moved across the country on a few occasions. Each time I simply went to my doctor & they gave me a copy of my records which I then gave a copy to my new doctor. It was as simple as going to the post office & filling out the change of address form for the most part. I had a gall bladder removed I told the hospital my doctors name & they took care of everything. It came to 58,000 US but I paid less than 1,000.
One other item on this. I am much more interested in the technology used to treat the patient than the technology used to store the records. US hospitals do have a tremendous amount of that technology for the most part. With that said I agree that the US could do a better job of linking data bases together for medical records. Prescriptions are pretty much like that if you stick with the same pharmacy chain you can pretty much go anywhere in the country & they can check for drug interactions.
I just want to recap my position which is that too much of the discussion of healthcare on Youtube is ideologically driven. The video I responded to explained why socialized medicine would inevitably be worse without considering the evidence from countries who have different systems.
I'm baack! Little news story for you. Ed Crane. A British citizen. In pain for years. Private x-rays revealed he had virtually no hip joint. For years the British NHS kept canceling his consultations. Finally he cashed in his life savings & paid $18,000 for surgery by a private doctor. You want someone else to be responsible for your health care?
I don't know when this happened. It's true that in Britain waiting times for painful but not life-threatening surgery were unacceptably long. The Government prioritised waiting times and the improvements have been considerable. Welcome back
Socialism is about feeling good! Putting money into taxes & saying "Problem solved!" Have you ever walked into a US hospital? Most (not all) are top of the line. I was in a hospital in London it was old & looked like something I'd expect in Russia, devoid of modern equipment we take for granted here. When I came home after my time in what felt like a 2nd world nation I realized how blessed we are here to have true freedom. Sure if you are lazy things are not as easy. Laziness is immoral too!
Anecdotal evidence can prove anything you want it to. What is lacking from those Youtubers proclaiming the excellence of US healthcare is reference to studies that back their case.
Anecdotal? I saw it with my own eyes. I experienced care in both systems. I do not need a study to tell me the sky is blue when it is. Why should I believe a study by a socialist claiming the socialist system is working great? Funny how you hear very little of the people that are turned down for care because it is too expensive for the government systems. Some government idiot decides you or your loved ones illness is not worth the money to pay to treat, what do you do then? Die I suppose?
Are you implying that in the USA everyone who needs treatment can get it? Are insurance companies obliged to offer cover to everyone, even those born with a condition?
I am. Free clinics & you do not have to have an emergency to go to an emergency room here. Just look at illegal immigrants they do it all the time. Will they get a bill? Yes, if they do not pay guess what happens? Hospital writes it off. That is a small % most have insurance like myself. If they get sick again guess what they can go do it all over again. If they do not qualify for Medicaid or Medicare. Not perfect but the system is better than substandard care for all low & middle class.
Not perfect? wow you're a master at understatement, cancer survival rates are high but so is infant mortality and medical errors while life expectancy is low by the standards of the industrialised world.
Abuse of power is not only a US phenomenon. I have been to the UK lived there for 3 yrs. How do you think you get your drugs on the cheap? It is because drug companies pay for the R&D on the backs of Americans while the UK has price controls. You better hope America never goes socialist. You say clinicians will make good choices, may be true but it will be a gov employees that decides if they get to do the procedure in 6 months or a year! Your wealthy in the UK you come to the US for major care!
You have introduced price controls so that the elderly get prescription drugs for free. Unlike the UK, your government haven't put in measures to pay for this. Budget control doesn't seem to be something US governments excel at.
Yes just recently we have. A foolish thing to do. Not saying it was correct to do at all. I also agree that both Dems and Republicans have been just awful at controlling spending. Of course spending comments coming from a country in Europe that did not have to pay for the loin's share of making sure you did not speak Russian or German today is a bit rich.
Not rich at all, Britain only paid off its debt to America this year and you also extracted possessions in exchange for destroyers. You did well, you weren't bombed to hell and back so your economy boomed while we rebuilt our countries.
I think it is hard to make a case that socialism leads to immorality any more than other political systems. There appears to be plenty of abuses of power in the USA particularly in the relations between politicians and businessmen. Thank you for your comment though.
Many of the arguments for deeming high taxation and subsidies immoral 'cause they make it easily for gov'tal corruption come from Frederic Bastiat & Ludwig von Mises (Europeans) Most evil military powers in past 100 yrs have been socialist or fascist. Socialism leads to immorality and thus is bad. Not that all socialist people are immoral--they don't think that it will have the evil outcomes it repeatedly has in its purist forms, in fact many are noble and truly care for their society.
if you really care about people getting the best quality care then you cant support socialized health care because it is a terrible system with long lines that can cause something simple to turn into a huge problem that could kill you.The reason its so expensive in america is because are stupid government made hmo's that make it so you have to have insurance even for a check up so now there is a middle man and pharmasuitical compianies will charge the maximim for medicine because people dont pay
chambernater 3 years ago
If by socialized healthcare you mean Universal Healthcare free at the point of delivery and paid for by taxation then this is what all the industrialised nations of the world have found to be the best solution. You say that deaths are caused by queuing but surely in America people die because they cannot afford treatment.
Tony63efc 3 years ago
no hospital now will turn you down because you cant pay but they would turn you down if your out of place in the line. i would rather be broke and alive instead of dead. also it would make people who need medical help regularly seem like a drag on the society and it could turn to hate for example mexicans and the mentaly challenged thats one of the ways hiltler got power and the argument that everyone else is doing it is because drug companies make trillions of dollars off that system
chambernater 3 years ago
Socialize medicine has failed in every country. The problem is that the government does not really have any consequences.
owchywawa 3 years ago
Failed in what way? Has any developed country other than the USA decided on a healthcare system where some citizens have healthcare while others do not?
Tony63efc 3 years ago
The NHS in the UK has been running since 1948 and has not failed yet.
povmcdov 3 years ago
@owchywawa has failed? where do you get this statement from and how do you back it up? If you are talking to other systems having problems ANY and all systems will have problems because that is an unavoidable reality. Look at all the problems our system has - now we have inflationary problems with the cost associated with each treatment we also have inadequate care in highly rural and urban areas, we also have doctors involved in malpractice scenarios and we also have people dying in hospitals.
juxtn 3 months ago
there was always charity before welfare. I have known people (LITERALLY) when I was in high school and thereafter that actually said that if they had a kid they would be taken care of. Now, if someone gets pregnant and can't provide.. why is that my responsibility? This welfare system allows and encourages babys born without parents committed to thier needs. Instead of falling back on mom and dad.. there is the government (taxpayer).
kgwickings 3 years ago
There seems to be some confusion between healthcare and welfare here. The birth of the child is covered by healthcare and would be at no cost to the mother in most systems. Welfare costs would have to be the subject of another video.
Tony63efc 3 years ago
It leads to substandard care.
tTank77 3 years ago
There are so many aspects to healthcare that I cannot give you a yes/no answer. Clearly if someone is rich they can buy the best care money can buy. On the other hand, there are plenty of countries with UHC where objective observers and patients find the care highly satisfactory.
Tony63efc 3 years ago
The difference we have is the role of government the history of the UK comes from Kingdoms which are run by few and control the wealth of the land in general, so the logical transition is a large government that plays controller of wealth and services in its country.
When the US and UK had that nasty little break up it was over the role of government, so the US comes from roots of basic laws only, and minimal government. We show our community spirit by giving donations to good charity's.
link10909 4 years ago
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I can't disagree with anything you've said here.
Tony63efc 4 years ago
That's OK but I'm logging off now. Thanks for boosting my views for this video again. You must account for half of them
Tony63efc 4 years ago
Thanks, it was a good trip. I am curious? I printed my last pay stub for 2008 & I calculate I paid about 13.2% once I receive conservatively about $2000 back on my tax return this year. (Mortgage interest is tax deductible) This is all taxes combined including Social Security, Medicare & Federal tax. Florida has a 7% sales tax on most items except food & drugs but no income tax. Some states have an income tax of 2 to 7% depending on the state. Percentage wise how does that compare with the UK?
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
It's much higher here, sales tax is 17.5%, then there is income tax, council tax (local police, fire service etc) and of course income tax. The overall tax burden is close to 40%
Tony63efc 4 years ago
Definitely lifestyle changing. To be fair I need to add 6% that went to my share of the medical & dental insurance. That however is some what voluntary & the nice thing is we can choose. If my wife has better dental plan then I can take cash for my employer's part & so it is not a fixed % for each person just the 1 income. I asked because I wanted to know. Is the discussion only about better care or the impact on a person economic freedom & ability to live the lifestyle they want as well?
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
Lol, talk about anything, personally I'm watching football highlights. Interestingly the Conservative Party here are traditionally tax cutters but they have to be very careful because if they are seen as cutting back on public services they can lose votes. In the USA according to the comptroller general too many tax cuts have been promised and the federal finances are in a sorry state.
Tony63efc 4 years ago
What is not reported is that tax cuts have lead to the largest revenue in the history of the US. We are actually giving the feds much more money at a lower % because of the economic stimulation it provides. We have blown the money on pork barrel spending projects not Iraq. To buy votes. That's the problem with Socialism once you get in it everyone wants to keep their perceived perk & politicians are all to happy to make sure you are dependent on them to keep approving more money.
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
Pork barrel spending is peculiarly American as far as I can see. If you can point out a problem with socialism I could counter and say that your Presidential elections rely too much on which candidates can raise the most campaign money. However it has occurred you have $46.4 trillion in unfunded commitments at a time when the economy has been going well. (See video GAO: USA is living beyond its means)
Tony63efc 4 years ago
No doubt that way too many Americans allow themselves to get into credit card debt & buy houses & cars they cannot afford. It worries the heck out of me. But going socialist is not the answer. Pork barrel spending is peculiarly American? You have the mother of pork, free medical, unemployment & welfare that is out of this world. What would happen again if an MP wanted to cut those benifits?
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
I thought pork barrel spending was just the name given to when a representative tags on additional spending for his state onto a bill. Cutting benefits is difficult but as we get older as a society we are having to work past the age of 65 to pay for our retirement.
Tony63efc 4 years ago
It is mostly however it is no different than providing any government program or money for votes. It is still an attempt to buy the votes. The Dems said they would put an end to it but slipped right into that habit nicely. Not to say that the Republican should have known better to start with. Not the early 90's Republican party. Sometimes I feel like I am just voting for who will take us down the socialism road slower!
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
Oh America will never go down that road; I would like to see though that you allow others to have a different view. I'm thinking of Venezuela, Chavez has let power go to his head but he is a democratically elected leader
Tony63efc 4 years ago
You mean REAL football or that stuff you call football of there? haha! just kidding!
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
Usually out of politeness I put soccer in brackets but I chose not to on this occasion. Can't say I enjoyed it, my team lost 4-1!
Tony63efc 4 years ago
No reason to be polite here! haha. Besides at least in Soccer they actually use their feet for most of the game! :)
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
Yes let's not discuss the relative merits of different sports or we'll be here all night. I went through a phase of watching your football in the 80's but not any more though I was reading about why everyone hates the Patriots today.
Tony63efc 4 years ago
No one seems to like the winning team most of the time. Especially going undefeated breaking an old record. I was originally from Chicago so the Bears in the 80's where my team. Sorry Youtube is giving me trouble at times saying I have too many responses. First you get rationed healthcare then rationed responses! haha
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
40% total. When I add up everything taken out including 401k, company stock plan & other things that are totally optional I come to about 27% However my employer matched my 401k (private retirement account) so in effect doubles my money plus they add stock they add in. I am in no way trying to say every American has it the same but if you have a skill/education then it is not uncommon. Plus I can stop contributing if I wanted but with 100% return + interest on the money how do you do better?
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
I must say it's hard to explain why we accept higher taxation than you do. Poverty in a G8 country is unacceptable in my eyes and if we have to pay higher taxes to stop that happening that is appropriate I think
Tony63efc 4 years ago
1 interesting note 2002 UK poverty number was 17% & in 2005 the US number was 14% with a much larger population. (% of population) In fairness I do not know how they calculate it & if it is the same calculation? Sorry I could not find the number matched year for year. Data can be hard to find sometimes. In 1968 we tried spending our way out of poverty but turns out many times people who do not want to work do not want to work even more when you give them free money & benefits! Imagine that lol!
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
I don't know if those figures are for absolute poverty or relative but anyway I take your point. Benefits are meant to be for people looking for work not just unemployed and they have to show they are job-seekers but yes abuses do happen.
Tony63efc 4 years ago
Oh! I meant 2007 but you probably know that.
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
May find this interesting? By CHISAKI WATANABE, AP Dec 28 TOKYO - 89-year-old woman died after an ambulance crew spent 2 hours trying 30 hospitals before finding 1 to accept her. She was resuscitated at the hospital but died. The other hospitals rejected her because they were full or their doctors were not available to treat her. Last year, a pregnant woman died after being refused admission by 20 hospitals, they were full. A shortage of doctors in the country.
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
Hmm I know nothing about the Japanese healthcare system and for 44 years this hasn't troubled me at all. I'm much more interested that in such a technologically advanced nation as the USA, the use of electronic medical records is far less widespread than it is in Europe. We are looking at a system that translates from any European language to any other!
Tony63efc 4 years ago
Luckily English is still the primary language. Spanish may be before long! Ha-ha. I have moved across the country on a few occasions. Each time I simply went to my doctor & they gave me a copy of my records which I then gave a copy to my new doctor. It was as simple as going to the post office & filling out the change of address form for the most part. I had a gall bladder removed I told the hospital my doctors name & they took care of everything. It came to 58,000 US but I paid less than 1,000.
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
One other item on this. I am much more interested in the technology used to treat the patient than the technology used to store the records. US hospitals do have a tremendous amount of that technology for the most part. With that said I agree that the US could do a better job of linking data bases together for medical records. Prescriptions are pretty much like that if you stick with the same pharmacy chain you can pretty much go anywhere in the country & they can check for drug interactions.
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
I just want to recap my position which is that too much of the discussion of healthcare on Youtube is ideologically driven. The video I responded to explained why socialized medicine would inevitably be worse without considering the evidence from countries who have different systems.
Tony63efc 4 years ago
I'm baack! Little news story for you. Ed Crane. A British citizen. In pain for years. Private x-rays revealed he had virtually no hip joint. For years the British NHS kept canceling his consultations. Finally he cashed in his life savings & paid $18,000 for surgery by a private doctor. You want someone else to be responsible for your health care?
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
I don't know when this happened. It's true that in Britain waiting times for painful but not life-threatening surgery were unacceptably long. The Government prioritised waiting times and the improvements have been considerable. Welcome back
Tony63efc 4 years ago
Socialism is about feeling good! Putting money into taxes & saying "Problem solved!" Have you ever walked into a US hospital? Most (not all) are top of the line. I was in a hospital in London it was old & looked like something I'd expect in Russia, devoid of modern equipment we take for granted here. When I came home after my time in what felt like a 2nd world nation I realized how blessed we are here to have true freedom. Sure if you are lazy things are not as easy. Laziness is immoral too!
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
Anecdotal evidence can prove anything you want it to. What is lacking from those Youtubers proclaiming the excellence of US healthcare is reference to studies that back their case.
Tony63efc 4 years ago
Anecdotal? I saw it with my own eyes. I experienced care in both systems. I do not need a study to tell me the sky is blue when it is. Why should I believe a study by a socialist claiming the socialist system is working great? Funny how you hear very little of the people that are turned down for care because it is too expensive for the government systems. Some government idiot decides you or your loved ones illness is not worth the money to pay to treat, what do you do then? Die I suppose?
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
Are you implying that in the USA everyone who needs treatment can get it? Are insurance companies obliged to offer cover to everyone, even those born with a condition?
Tony63efc 4 years ago
I am. Free clinics & you do not have to have an emergency to go to an emergency room here. Just look at illegal immigrants they do it all the time. Will they get a bill? Yes, if they do not pay guess what happens? Hospital writes it off. That is a small % most have insurance like myself. If they get sick again guess what they can go do it all over again. If they do not qualify for Medicaid or Medicare. Not perfect but the system is better than substandard care for all low & middle class.
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
Not perfect? wow you're a master at understatement, cancer survival rates are high but so is infant mortality and medical errors while life expectancy is low by the standards of the industrialised world.
Tony63efc 4 years ago
Abuse of power is not only a US phenomenon. I have been to the UK lived there for 3 yrs. How do you think you get your drugs on the cheap? It is because drug companies pay for the R&D on the backs of Americans while the UK has price controls. You better hope America never goes socialist. You say clinicians will make good choices, may be true but it will be a gov employees that decides if they get to do the procedure in 6 months or a year! Your wealthy in the UK you come to the US for major care!
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
You have introduced price controls so that the elderly get prescription drugs for free. Unlike the UK, your government haven't put in measures to pay for this. Budget control doesn't seem to be something US governments excel at.
Tony63efc 4 years ago
Yes just recently we have. A foolish thing to do. Not saying it was correct to do at all. I also agree that both Dems and Republicans have been just awful at controlling spending. Of course spending comments coming from a country in Europe that did not have to pay for the loin's share of making sure you did not speak Russian or German today is a bit rich.
bsjaxtime 4 years ago
Not rich at all, Britain only paid off its debt to America this year and you also extracted possessions in exchange for destroyers. You did well, you weren't bombed to hell and back so your economy boomed while we rebuilt our countries.
Tony63efc 4 years ago
And in fact certain elements of socialism work very well at local levels--but poorly nationally
J27G 4 years ago
I think it is hard to make a case that socialism leads to immorality any more than other political systems. There appears to be plenty of abuses of power in the USA particularly in the relations between politicians and businessmen. Thank you for your comment though.
Tony63efc 4 years ago
Many of the arguments for deeming high taxation and subsidies immoral 'cause they make it easily for gov'tal corruption come from Frederic Bastiat & Ludwig von Mises (Europeans) Most evil military powers in past 100 yrs have been socialist or fascist. Socialism leads to immorality and thus is bad. Not that all socialist people are immoral--they don't think that it will have the evil outcomes it repeatedly has in its purist forms, in fact many are noble and truly care for their society.
J27G 4 years ago