You know I once read that they almost changed the cliffhanger and instead Blake had a heart attack right there on the stairs... Would've been amazing.
My fave scene also. I love Dynasty but you do have to laugh at it's artificiality. It's hilarious - they have to use several edits to cover the ageing Blake ascending the stairs and then it's obviously a stunt guy rushing at Joanie at the end. Then massive cut to a pair of hands gently around Joanie's neck so as not to smudge any of the 3 feet thick make-up or knock off her wig. Only mis-hit is Alexis's use of the word tramp, which the English use differently. She'd have said slut or tart.
@nevashiva I know right. They act like the show was that bad. I just saw every episode, and I was entertained. Well..untill the last 4 seasons. But overal..it was cool. And to the ones complaining about the acting...Acting was better then then than now. Look at how many shows it cancelled now compared to the 80's and early 90's.
Blake & Krystle were a beautiful couple; moreover, Blake & Krystle did not deserve to be kicked out of their house by that eveil-ass Alexis. Futhermore, Alexis deserved to get the shit kicked and chocked out of her. Blake was a good noble man, and Krystle was the perfect complemenet to him in that role. Which just goes to show, behind every successful man, there is a good woman.
When I met Joan Collins in London at her book signing, I asked her to write out the line that she says to Blake at the top of the stairs. I thought it was a great line from the show but she didn't seem to remember it as fondly as I did....LOL
Oh well.....I thought it was the ultimate power struggle between Blake and Alexis!!
@StreathamG Yes..this scene was originally scripted to be much more violent but Joan is not a physical actress (she also has complained of back issues) and at her insistence the scene was scaled back slightly.
I got chills when I watched this HAHAHA! I used to watch Dynasty with my Grandmother when I was a kid, I totally remember this! I think it was a season finale episode....so over the top dramatic and campy :-)
I love the way Alexis has a single sheet of paper giving her title to all Blake's holdings. I remember when Blake gets everything back from her in the next season, the papers are about two pages. These people have very efficient and very concise lawyers!
I wonder why Ben didn´t let go of Krystle to keep Blake away from trying to kill Alexis. Did he want her to die so he could have everything on his own or did he want Blake to go to jail?
Awesome scene. I always hated Blake and was always rooting for Alexis. Lol. I wanted her to smack the crap out of Kyrstle and send her packing. I hated that they made her soft in that ridiculous reunion mini-series.
"Take your blonde tramp and get out!" That line is classic. I remember this scene from when it first aired. And LMAO, Alexis looked like a blowup doll while Blake was choking her.
he shoulda choked the bitch to death!!! let's count her sins up to this point--affair with roger grimes and cecil colby while married ot blake, testified against him at his trial, caused krtystle's miscarriage, his amanda from him, Moldavia, etc....
I had a better idea. In the following episode, Blake continues to choke Alexis, but then Ben belts him and knocks him unconsious, and Krystal tries choking Alexis instead, who sprays her eyes with perfume, and then cuts off all of her hair! Alexis and Ben then dump Blake and Crystal in a N.B.M. (Now Broke Millionaires) dumpster!
Like Alexis I was always straight F's in math! LOL! I forgot that seasons are off from one year. I remember a friend saying, "Look! He's chocking her maybe Dynasty is over!"
I must say that other than Sean Connery as Bond, John Forsythe wears a tuxedo better than anyone...and if I were on the show, I would have died to keep the clothes of Alexis, Dominique, and Sable.
Between the one handed to Blake by Ben and the one Aleixs dangles, I've never seen two pieces of paper act so wonderfully. Bravo 10# Classic Crest, Linen!
This was my all time favorite scene too.... so dramatic !!! I only wishAlexis was walking down the stairs in a fur coat and turned around to Blake at the foot of the stairs and gave him a verbal beating...LOL
once alexis left the studio after a couple of years it was difficult to give krystle and blake good stories i guess as Alexis was away apart from plotting revenge like this, she didn't suffer the bad writing like they did!
Wonderful scene the music is fantastic and adds to the drama but just a thought...
How exactly is Alexis able to talk whilst being strangled?
The resolution is a big letdown - Blake just lets go!
The body double is way too obvious, but I just love the look on Alexis' face when Blake runs toward her and she backs away - this was a Joan Collins stock in trade expression and it's fabulous.
What;s interesting is this scene was originally scripted to be more violent but Joan said no due to her percieved physical limitations. From what I have been told there was no stunt double that day, though I agree it certainly looks like someone else on the landing. Because the scene required closeups of Joan the original scirpt was modified to fit Joan's capabilities. Interestingly, both gowns worn by J&L were auctioned off on Ebay a couple of yrs ago.
Joan demanded a stunt double for that scene. She didn't want any "accidents" since there was real tension between her and John Forstythe...lol. She said this in an interview a few years ago..
I've heard that before but to me that makes no sense. You ask for a double to do what is the briefest clip in the sequence but not for the rest of the scene? If Joan did say this then I would think it was more for fodder than reality. Joan has a habit of saying things that stretch reality. Like claiming she was knocked out briefly during the lillypond catfight when nobody else there remembers such an incident.
yes Joan is always telling the same stories but each time she tells them they get more colorful.
In Greg Kinnear Show she said a double was used for her and John Forsythe. Kinnear asked was that such a big deal "get my stunt double." Joan laughed and said, "I've got a delicate neck, what can I say?!"
Does anyone have the resolution to this wonderful mess Alexis engineered? I'm sure it's at a party at the mansion (Alexis throws a Black & White party and wears red) and Blake shows up with the proof, supplied by Emily Fallmont, that Ben & Alexis lied on the stand..it's classic stuff.
This is my favorite cliffhanger...it isn't over the top like the Moldavian Massacre...it is just backstabbing dirty business deals that drive a man to the brink.
LMAO..... notice the smile on Ben Carrinton's face...he wanted Blake to kill the old witch.....also notice how perfectly wicked Alexis looks even in the face of death....lol they don't make them like that anymore...
If you look closely and forward it to 01:19,you can see its a stunt double and not Joan Collins---you can also see her earring fly off from her right ear......This scene is great anyway......
There has been sone question as to wether Joan did this scene or not. On the set the afternoon of filming was a network photographer who documented parts of the filming. He and an ASP executive both said Joan did the entire scene herself. Interestingly the scene was supposed to be more violent but Joan would not do it claiming back and neck issues could be agravated. The scene as originally scripted Joan simly would not do and a stunt double the director thought would eb too obvious.
you can clearly tell its a stunt double once blake goes to choke her and knocks her earring off. to me it looks like the stunt double was linda carter from wonder woman.
Everyone seems to have an opinion on this and I don't deny an arguement can be made. But as was told to me the director thought a double would simply be too obvious given the fact filming required closeups of both actors. The scene was envisioned to be more violent but Joan had her limitations and the production was forced to work around them. I mentioned before both dresses in this scene were eventually sold on Ebay as well.
Although Ben and Alexis conspired to ruin Blake -- I don't think he ever liked Alexis and he would like nothing more than to have his brother Blake go to jail for strangling her to death
I love how Alexis' evil ally, Ben, is eager to see her get strangled. Simply hysterical!
AdArmand 1 week ago
Her earring goes flying! I wonder if that was planned?
esmort 1 month ago
You know I once read that they almost changed the cliffhanger and instead Blake had a heart attack right there on the stairs... Would've been amazing.
michael65 1 month ago
The way Joan say's JunnnK is priceless....
Onry1 3 months ago
My fave scene also. I love Dynasty but you do have to laugh at it's artificiality. It's hilarious - they have to use several edits to cover the ageing Blake ascending the stairs and then it's obviously a stunt guy rushing at Joanie at the end. Then massive cut to a pair of hands gently around Joanie's neck so as not to smudge any of the 3 feet thick make-up or knock off her wig. Only mis-hit is Alexis's use of the word tramp, which the English use differently. She'd have said slut or tart.
duncann 3 months ago
At the ending, Alexis looked more like a wax doll than Joan Rivers.
mybigredlip 4 months ago
This is SO bad and we '80s kids love every minute of it!
ernmitch1968 5 months ago 2
This has to be some of the worst acting I have ever seen. These people were lucky to have Aaron Spelling throwing money at them.
thdog52 5 months ago
Alexis was the only time in her life that she was REALLY afraid!!
DJSakgraVideos 6 months ago
I just love that she throws over a $100,000.00 in Russian Lynx & Mink over the balcony. ^_^
schildno5 6 months ago
It's just a big DRAG SHOW anyway!
LBraunhaus 6 months ago
@nevashiva...LOL ...I'm just being a dillweed! It's all in good fun!
LBraunhaus 6 months ago
First Ted dinard, now alexis...Blake is becoming a serial killer.
bboi222 9 months ago
Sflachuck....it's the same night, Goofball.
LBraunhaus 9 months ago
@LBraunhaus oh come on u guys take it easy lol
nevashiva 7 months ago
@nevashiva I know right. They act like the show was that bad. I just saw every episode, and I was entertained. Well..untill the last 4 seasons. But overal..it was cool. And to the ones complaining about the acting...Acting was better then then than now. Look at how many shows it cancelled now compared to the 80's and early 90's.
The1Returner 4 months ago
That's the same dress she wore when Dominique slapped her.
sflachuck 10 months ago
@sflachuck oh you're an expert
akimvszan 9 months ago
1:13 - 1:31 YOU MUST DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sheepant 11 months ago
This is by far one of my favorite scenes of Dynasty....
sp8211a 11 months ago
The weird thing is why did Alexis allow Ben to stay after Ben was allowing Blake to strangle her to death? I would have been get out!
JamesE1974 11 months ago 2
Blake & Krystle were a beautiful couple; moreover, Blake & Krystle did not deserve to be kicked out of their house by that eveil-ass Alexis. Futhermore, Alexis deserved to get the shit kicked and chocked out of her. Blake was a good noble man, and Krystle was the perfect complemenet to him in that role. Which just goes to show, behind every successful man, there is a good woman.
bigb1716 11 months ago
When I met Joan Collins in London at her book signing, I asked her to write out the line that she says to Blake at the top of the stairs. I thought it was a great line from the show but she didn't seem to remember it as fondly as I did....LOL
Oh well.....I thought it was the ultimate power struggle between Blake and Alexis!!
sfmuscle 11 months ago
After 25 + years, still LOVE this scene!
ivorytower99 1 year ago
no but you can strangle her
wsbxxx 1 year ago
OMG, how can one NOT LOVE this?
AlbinoIncoerente 1 year ago
Funny....Used to break my neck to get home and see this show! LOL!
ReneeDeborah 1 year ago
Krystle's dress jesus christ, pure perfection. God Bless Nolan Miller
artemiscarrington 1 year ago
@artemiscarrington say that again!
naobe5 1 year ago
Look very closely at the shots when Blake is 'strangling' Alexis. He is bending his thumb back so that it doesn't make contact with Joans throat.
I wonder if this stunt precaution was at Joans insistence or whether John just didn't want to tempt fate....?
StreathamG 1 year ago
@StreathamG
In stage combat like this, the stranger is actually pulling AWAY from the victim, while the victim holds his hands in place.
tonywrestles2 1 year ago
@StreathamG Yes..this scene was originally scripted to be much more violent but Joan is not a physical actress (she also has complained of back issues) and at her insistence the scene was scaled back slightly.
joecraine001 1 year ago
is blake gonna have to choke a bitch?
jukaufman 1 year ago
@jukaufman He stops short of that.
thatMikhail 1 year ago
I got chills when I watched this HAHAHA! I used to watch Dynasty with my Grandmother when I was a kid, I totally remember this! I think it was a season finale episode....so over the top dramatic and campy :-)
Tritano 1 year ago
I love how blake says ''yessss''
Kallytom 1 year ago
Who else could have played this but Joan Collins? And kudos to the writer of tins scene!
flenif2247 1 year ago
The best scene ever in acting. Joan collins is so believeable and stunning in her performance
BEYONCEBOOTY 1 year ago 2
I love the way Alexis has a single sheet of paper giving her title to all Blake's holdings. I remember when Blake gets everything back from her in the next season, the papers are about two pages. These people have very efficient and very concise lawyers!
fdcox 1 year ago 3
I wonder why Ben didn´t let go of Krystle to keep Blake away from trying to kill Alexis. Did he want her to die so he could have everything on his own or did he want Blake to go to jail?
Linle91 1 year ago
Yes, I still remember this great scene from way back when. Thanks for posting it here.
camlo2705 1 year ago
"Damn you Alexs - I´m gonna kill you!"
great scene :D
Linle91 1 year ago
Awesome scene. I always hated Blake and was always rooting for Alexis. Lol. I wanted her to smack the crap out of Kyrstle and send her packing. I hated that they made her soft in that ridiculous reunion mini-series.
petie71 1 year ago
It's Gordan brown vs David Cameron
padjos 1 year ago
What a cliffhanger this episode was! We had to wait all summer long to find out that both survived the tumble over that balcony.
PUTSOUTHINYOURMOUTH 1 year ago
Alexis is telling peeps to kick rocks!!!! That's my girl!
SaffronKelley 1 year ago
"Take your blonde tramp and get out!" That line is classic. I remember this scene from when it first aired. And LMAO, Alexis looked like a blowup doll while Blake was choking her.
spiralshaman 1 year ago
God - I wish Alexis was my mother lol
DIETRICHCICCONE 1 year ago
Blake Carrington.., we will miss you dearly R.I.P. my friend and THANK YOU FOR MY FAVORITE SHOWS DYNASTY & CHARLIE'S ANGELS!!!!!
jorgenyc5 1 year ago
Dynasty was so awesome. Those rich folks were not afraid to choke a bitch!!
runnerangie1 1 year ago 2
R.I.P. John Forsythe - Dynasty & Charlie's Angels! You will be missed but not forgotten!
killbilly69 1 year ago 3
Trodde Blake Carrington ble skutt i Dynastiet i tiårsskiftet 80/90, men der tok jeg feil.
Nettpusen 1 year ago
This is APSOLUTELY the best scene.
Take this junk and your blond tramp and get out of my home.....LOVE IT!!!!!
" I was deffending the freedom of the press" is allso a good one from my dear Alexis Colby.
kjaersdalen 2 years ago 10
Well, this is what happens when you fuck wit the wrong one. He choked her ass to sleep.
bryanb16th 2 years ago 2
@bryanb16th This was recreated for a "One Life to Live" Episode. LOL. Clint choking Dorian when she took over his company.
JhomasE 2 years ago
@JhomasE I've said it once. I'll say it again. When you do dirt, Dirt comes back on yo Ass!
bryanb16th 2 years ago
Despite that Christopher Casvanove played Blake's brother, in real life he was old enough to be his son!
vividwatch47 2 years ago
Totaly love the old shows!!! Thanksmuch for sharing them...cracks us up love that Alexis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
longliveramona 2 years ago
what happened finally??
Gothicboy1996 2 years ago
Alexis and Diane from V-the Visitor are the two best women villains of all time. Their performance was always flawless.
You just hate to love them.
md991free 2 years ago
CHOKE THE BITCH !!!! I love to hate that woman, eventhough Krystal acted to 'goody goody'
hunkyturkey 2 years ago
I love it..." so take this junk and you blond tramp and get out of my home" Alexi was the best bitch on tv.
lesall 2 years ago
he shoulda choked the bitch to death!!! let's count her sins up to this point--affair with roger grimes and cecil colby while married ot blake, testified against him at his trial, caused krtystle's miscarriage, his amanda from him, Moldavia, etc....
delidude1999 2 years ago
"So take this junk and your blond tramp" LOL
How can I not love it?
funnyontheinside 2 years ago 3
Your top two scenes are my faves too! Love it!
robslife69 2 years ago
Alexis was one of a kind!!!
aloofbooks 2 years ago 2
Could anything be more classic than the character of Alexis?
ukroyalfamily 2 years ago 3
Brilliant scene! Wothy of an Oscar.
Topboy32 2 years ago 3
Tee to the hee! I love drama. I'm gonna rock a leather jockstrap tonight at the leather bar and bitchslap haters!!!
ukroyalfamily 2 years ago
LOVE it! i willbe glad when this season makes it to DVD they are so slow putting each season on DVD, UGH!
AzzedineAliaFan 2 years ago 3
-I Have Papers!!
-Papers!? What Papers!?
I'm telling you that final image is the very image of the '80s. Long Live the Queen Bitch!!
xandervaliya 2 years ago 6
Choke the bitch!!!
aloofbooks 2 years ago 4
Blake should have called in his "Angels" to investigate Ben & Alexis
bette1908 2 years ago 4
what a hell of a cross over THAT would have been!
MercuryX 2 years ago
LOL yeah Sabrina would have arrested Alexis & hauled her off in that orange Ford Pinto of hers
bette1908 2 years ago
I had a better idea. In the following episode, Blake continues to choke Alexis, but then Ben belts him and knocks him unconsious, and Krystal tries choking Alexis instead, who sprays her eyes with perfume, and then cuts off all of her hair! Alexis and Ben then dump Blake and Crystal in a N.B.M. (Now Broke Millionaires) dumpster!
vividwatch47 2 years ago
blonDe tramp....lol
quothi 2 years ago 4
Which season is this?
HouseOnSunset 2 years ago
the cliffhanger for season 7.
Oreon207 2 years ago
Actualy season 6...but who's counting..lol ;)
cloverfield911 2 years ago
Like Alexis I was always straight F's in math! LOL! I forgot that seasons are off from one year. I remember a friend saying, "Look! He's chocking her maybe Dynasty is over!"
Oreon207 2 years ago
I must say that other than Sean Connery as Bond, John Forsythe wears a tuxedo better than anyone...and if I were on the show, I would have died to keep the clothes of Alexis, Dominique, and Sable.
quothi 3 years ago 10
I agree he's so seeeeeeeeeeeeexy lucky Linda evans all those cuddles & kisses
:o)
evanstad 2 years ago 2
why was that blond guy holding cristal back? what a shit stirrer
dougiewhite778 3 years ago 2
Between the one handed to Blake by Ben and the one Aleixs dangles, I've never seen two pieces of paper act so wonderfully. Bravo 10# Classic Crest, Linen!
Youngstown529 3 years ago 2
This was my all time favorite scene too.... so dramatic !!! I only wishAlexis was walking down the stairs in a fur coat and turned around to Blake at the foot of the stairs and gave him a verbal beating...LOL
Rico316 3 years ago
once alexis left the studio after a couple of years it was difficult to give krystle and blake good stories i guess as Alexis was away apart from plotting revenge like this, she didn't suffer the bad writing like they did!
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ziggydamaestro 3 years ago
This is happening at the White House today!
mistertango 3 years ago
Awesome scene! Alexis is a goddess!!!
vegandude777 3 years ago 6
Wonderful scene the music is fantastic and adds to the drama but just a thought...
How exactly is Alexis able to talk whilst being strangled?
The resolution is a big letdown - Blake just lets go!
The body double is way too obvious, but I just love the look on Alexis' face when Blake runs toward her and she backs away - this was a Joan Collins stock in trade expression and it's fabulous.
Love the dress too!
StreathamG 3 years ago 4
What;s interesting is this scene was originally scripted to be more violent but Joan said no due to her percieved physical limitations. From what I have been told there was no stunt double that day, though I agree it certainly looks like someone else on the landing. Because the scene required closeups of Joan the original scirpt was modified to fit Joan's capabilities. Interestingly, both gowns worn by J&L were auctioned off on Ebay a couple of yrs ago.
homeric9 3 years ago
Joan demanded a stunt double for that scene. She didn't want any "accidents" since there was real tension between her and John Forstythe...lol. She said this in an interview a few years ago..
kev121 3 years ago
I've heard that before but to me that makes no sense. You ask for a double to do what is the briefest clip in the sequence but not for the rest of the scene? If Joan did say this then I would think it was more for fodder than reality. Joan has a habit of saying things that stretch reality. Like claiming she was knocked out briefly during the lillypond catfight when nobody else there remembers such an incident.
homeric9 3 years ago
yes Joan is always telling the same stories but each time she tells them they get more colorful.
In Greg Kinnear Show she said a double was used for her and John Forsythe. Kinnear asked was that such a big deal "get my stunt double." Joan laughed and said, "I've got a delicate neck, what can I say?!"
Oreon207 2 years ago
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He should ahve broken her neck
boxer301977 3 years ago
This is a great cliffhanger!
joacim99 3 years ago 5
Why they never made fight where's Blake VS Alexis, like Krystle VS Alexis things.... >D
LS8492 3 years ago
"Take this junk and your blonde tramp and get out of my home"
Yangedd 3 years ago 64
I a sorry but Alexis is the ULTIMATE bitch.
summersunt 3 years ago 6
@Yangedd You can't get better than that!
LOL!
bluenail03 1 year ago
@Yangedd I just loved when Alexis said that. It sends shivers up my spine.
MACKATTACK835 3 months ago
Does anyone have the resolution to this wonderful mess Alexis engineered? I'm sure it's at a party at the mansion (Alexis throws a Black & White party and wears red) and Blake shows up with the proof, supplied by Emily Fallmont, that Ben & Alexis lied on the stand..it's classic stuff.
michael65 3 years ago
Best cliffhanger ever!
LBraunhaus 3 years ago 5
I wondered if Bobby Knight ever watched this episode???....lol!!!!!
bwill613 3 years ago
lol love it hair makeup perfect how lush x
boneym22 3 years ago 2
This is my favorite cliffhanger...it isn't over the top like the Moldavian Massacre...it is just backstabbing dirty business deals that drive a man to the brink.
ZachChanning 3 years ago 5
Alexis is one hot lady!
aquamarineeyes 3 years ago 4
LMAO..... notice the smile on Ben Carrinton's face...he wanted Blake to kill the old witch.....also notice how perfectly wicked Alexis looks even in the face of death....lol they don't make them like that anymore...
WonderGirl732 3 years ago 4
This is my all time favorite Dynasty scene. "...take this junk and your blonde tramp..." is ABSOLUTELY PRICELESS. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
kev121 3 years ago 4
what fashion designer makes this dress whit pockets to keep the papers?AH! AH! AH!fantastic
miguelalvesmantero 3 years ago 6
She should have been thrown over, and she lands on the furs below and makes it out alive! LOL, that was great!
Dita71 3 years ago 2
This is one of the best scenes of the series. You just cannot beat a triumphant Joan Collins.
lol365 4 years ago 23
If you look closely and forward it to 01:19,you can see its a stunt double and not Joan Collins---you can also see her earring fly off from her right ear......This scene is great anyway......
highbed 4 years ago
There has been sone question as to wether Joan did this scene or not. On the set the afternoon of filming was a network photographer who documented parts of the filming. He and an ASP executive both said Joan did the entire scene herself. Interestingly the scene was supposed to be more violent but Joan would not do it claiming back and neck issues could be agravated. The scene as originally scripted Joan simly would not do and a stunt double the director thought would eb too obvious.
homeric9 3 years ago
you can clearly tell its a stunt double once blake goes to choke her and knocks her earring off. to me it looks like the stunt double was linda carter from wonder woman.
sobeautiful24f 3 years ago
Everyone seems to have an opinion on this and I don't deny an arguement can be made. But as was told to me the director thought a double would simply be too obvious given the fact filming required closeups of both actors. The scene was envisioned to be more violent but Joan had her limitations and the production was forced to work around them. I mentioned before both dresses in this scene were eventually sold on Ebay as well.
joecraine001 3 years ago
one of the best scenes from Dynasty...how can you beat Joan Collins......
highbed 4 years ago 3
I love the way she pulls the document out from under the flap on her dress,like a superhero pulling out a wepon!
COBYKOEHL2 4 years ago 5
I´ve often wondered why Ben didn´t help her when Blake tried to kill her.
Linle91 4 years ago
Although Ben and Alexis conspired to ruin Blake -- I don't think he ever liked Alexis and he would like nothing more than to have his brother Blake go to jail for strangling her to death
mrmagassi 4 years ago
ok thanks, yeah that could be a reason!
Linle91 4 years ago
And it wouldn't be much of a cliffhanger if Krystal stopped Blake before his hands reached Alexis' neck.
nosuchpersonvideo 3 years ago
LOL yes fantastic scene and quotes. "Blonde tramp"
BlimBlam77 4 years ago 2
get the fuck out krystle and Blake
It's mine now...
Served Cold!
xxvtpatrick 4 years ago
I can't get enough of this....Blake...HELP... AAAHHHHH lol.
I love how Ben is smiling and holding Krystal aka the blonde tramp back.
allendecasa 4 years ago
I just love how she pulls out the papers from under the drape of her cocktail dress!!!
Alexis forever!
tanmamones 4 years ago 8
Shark = Jumped.
Gatsbyesque 4 years ago
lmao @ 'your blonde tramp'
miamivicepastels83 4 years ago 2