question? why didnt you put the cayman S up against the 135...seems like it would have been a little bit more even eh? orr do the 125 vs the cayman... you cant do top of the line series vs intro class...
Fifth Gear producer 1: "How about we do a test on handling dynamics for these two cars? No?"
Fifth Gear producer 2: "No, let's just do a slalom test and who can make the most smoke on a drift instead; and we'll use different drivers with entirely different styles!"
What a joke. A true comparo would show a mid-engine weezer out-handling a torquey front engine any day. As an analogy, think a Corvette vs an Elise. I love the Bimmer, but the Cayman outhandles it hands down.
stop taking it so seriously, these are two entirely diffrent cars. like jason pointed out in the video, the 1 series is a small saloon which happens to have a big engine under the bonnet while the porsche was designed to be a sportscar....end of ;)
@moselyliver Lol you obviously didnt watch the show???? the BMW was quicker around the track, witch means it has better handling! dont say u think those few extra bhp and torque matters...
Bmw is simply better then Porsche, in all cases tbh but thats a different storry!
One other thing... the 135i really has a 404hp engine, detuned to 300. For around $2500 you can have your BMW dealer dial it up for you without affecting the factory warranty. Add a $700 4" down pipe, and your in the mid-11s through the quarter mile and the mid-to-high 3s to 60.
Bottom line: DO NOT race a 135i, anything could be hiding under that hood.
One other thing... the 135i really has a 404hp engine, detuned to 300. For around $2500 you can have your BMW dealer dial it up for you without affecting the factory warranty. Add a $700 4" down pipe, and your in the mid-11s through the quarter mile and the mid-to-high 3s to 60.
Bottom line: DO NOT race a 135i, anything could be hiding under that hood.
oh god I looked this video up to see if fith gear is worth watching (giant top gear fan) I thought it was al quit alright until the last 5 seconds. If that little scripted afterthought is a regular part of the show count me out. terrible acting/presenting
@Kaisar It's not bogus because I said so, it's bogus for the reasons I stated. They used two different drivers. They tried to prove the BMW is faster by using two different drivers? And racing both cars at the same time? It would be better to use multiple skilled drivers and average the lap tips. But that wouldn't be as entertaining, and this is an entertainment show. Also, you do realize I'm a BMW fan that called the BMW win bogus, right? It's not like I'm basing this on bias :)
@787Bisurdaddy I could hardly believe that BMW would make a 135i without a manual option, but I wasn't sure. So I went to the BMW website to check it out. Sure enough, there IS a traditional manual option with the ever nice clutch pedal :)
There is also a 7 speed double clutch tranny with paddle shifters...
The BMW is certainly the more practical car, and for every day use, it'd be hard not to pick it over the Porsche. However, the Porsche looks better, drives better, and is more fun to drive, so despite the cost difference, I'd have a hard time choosing the Bimmer over it. This particular Bimmer, however, is lacking something that the Porsche has, something which excludes the Bimmer as an option for me: a gear shifter. I'll take a manual with a clutch pedal, thanks.
@CrapDot45 That's a matter of taste. I happen to like the BMW more. The Porsche, while beautiful, looks typical, the BMW in the other hand has a real cool, laid back look.
You get much more pleasure on a day-to-day basis out of driving something like a VW GTI because the manual gearbox is so enjoyable to use and the car just feels like what a front wheel drive Porsche would be if they made such a thing. A Subaru WRX265 would blow the doors off of a GTI, but that's not really what it's about...it looks like a Corolla and it makes you feel like a punk.
If you want a visceral experience, choose Porsche.
Let's not always think about cars in terms of cost. Yes the Porsche costs more; but I will buy a more expensive Porsche any day cos the they use better quality materials as compared to a BMW. Secondly, I can sell my Porsche at a better price than the BMW say in two years time.
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this is bullsh*t. Those idiots can't show the full potencial ot bthe cars. Give these monsters to BestMotoring International and watch what thay truely can... !!!
Jason Plato and Tiff Needell were professionnal race drivers, they both have a really good racing pedigree, so I think they showed the potential of those cars pretty well
The n54 engine in that 135i has such low lag that it pretty much eliminates that preference...that said a n54 will overheat while the Cayman keeps going. I own a 335i coupe with Juice Box 3 tune.
Do you? Did you get a aftermarket intercooler for the boost/lb increase? If you did then you would know it wouldn't overheat. What about exhaust/downpipe to give the turbo some extra breathing?
Man, iunno about you fellas, but that was exciting! I'm a BMW boy (drive an e30 325 lol) but that was really close... I honestly wasn't expecting the Bimmer to win!
--> Who cares though, they're both great cars to drive!!
one that porshe whoreis dumb cause the cayman was clearly handled by the bimmer and m3 will kill a 911 non turbo and a m5 is compariable to anything porshe has other then the gt series it kills all their non turbo cars
Both cars are butt ugly, and a power slide test is pointless. I am sure the Caymen has much better handling but of course with the added HP plus easy tuning on the bimmer you have a better buy there.
Drifting a mid-engine car is much more difficult than a FR car. The Cayman/Boxsters were designed to turn like they were on rails, not for demonstrating an ability to perform power slides! A comparison with the Cayman S would have been much better for the sake of credibility.
ooh by the way my 09' cayman has the new PDK transmission and it shifts like a beast!!! If you dont know what driving a Porsche is like with the new PDK transmission, "I feel sorry for you",,,,,,... Only BMW that should be on the same track as a Porsche is the M5 and above
@xxxk The cayman has the best handleing of any car out there for starters!! And are you comparing a "Nissan" to a Porsche lol. A nissan lmfao. The porsche will demolish a 370z on any track any day everyone knows this. The only reason you settled for a 370z was bc you cant afford a porsche. Get a big boy's career so u can afford a big boy's car. A nissan lol. I bet the chicks love that pick up line "wanna ride in my nissan" I bet she has a nissan too...
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You shouldn't talk about big boy's cars when you drive a cayman, it's a really good car, but it's not a real Porsche. And the new 370Z is surprisingly good.
well, the cayman S is as fast as a Porsche 911 carrera on certain tracks... pretty embarassing... if they really tried to make the cayman as fast as it can be, I'm not so sure it wouldn't be faster than a 911
@Yanp87 I remember Top Gear's report on the Cayman. It's suspiciously placed right in the middle of the Boxster and 911 in every way, power, performance, price etc. They didn't make it as fast as it could be on purpose.
This test was stupid and the results are not valid! The second driver was better than the first. The same driver should have taken both cars around the track and then check the times, then the results would be more accurate. I have a 09' cayman and I never lost to a BMW ever!! especially a 1series BMW lol. Hands down Cayman is the better car I promise,,,,,...
What's the matter with Jason here? Normally, i am not a fan of this program but what the hell happened with him; when he starts with the BMW lap here, he looks strange.
Good entertainment..perhaps. But as a huge BMW fan I can say the entire thing is just bogus. Two different drivers? When you get on a track, the skill of the driver starts to matter a lot more than an extra 50hp. Yes, the BMW "Won", and it's faster in a straight line, and frankly it's a better car. But it was still a bogus "race". There Porsche fans, I threw you a bone ;-)
BMW is better than Porsche? Its like comparing a lamborghini tractor to a ferarri enzo. BMW is overpriced "advanced consumer" product. Porsche has countless racing teams and it used to make the engines on Elefants the biggest anti-tank tracked vehicle ever made. BMW at the time settled with bikes. I think we can see here who would carry the tradition better.
Nowhere did I say that BMW is a better company, I said that between those two cars, I think the BMW is better. And yes, comparing the two companies and what they produce today is silly. Porsche makes a different kind of car on average. However you have made a few grievous errors in your attempts to define BMW.
1. BMW has a very long and successful racing history, and still races today.
2. The fastest naturally aspirated production car ever, the Mclaren F1, was powered by a BMW engine.
@EarendilStar cant be bogus just because yo u thought so. there are BMW and Porsche officials who take a lot of feed back through such tests that are shown to common public. Its a matter of changing policies about certain models that are available at the time when tests are taken. It greatly affects sales and also the consumer opinion about manufacturers
I don't know who the old designer was but I know that BMW changed their designer who designed the current line-up and they are just no where near as appealing as the ones from 2002, 2003
I'm surprised they didn't mention the Porsche's variable ratio steering, which is awful. IMHO the Cayman is the clear winner, but the steering completely ruins it.
Having driven both, I was blown away by the 135, the gadgets, the roomy back seat, the feel. Whereas the Cayman, I kept expecting something amazing... that never happened.
p.s. I have a 911 so I was a bit biased going into the comparison.
Point taken. By race though I guess you mean track days? For actual racing the car would be heavily modified with LSD etc anyway, not to mention grippier tyres which might make the LSD redundant anyway. For track days outright pace is less important than driving enjoyment, but I suppose it's a matter of opinion - having driven both these cars a fair amount I'd take both without the added dynamic complication of an LSD, but I can understand someone who might want an LSD also.
If anyone's racing a car they'll strip it back to the shell anyway and fit things like an LSD, different suspension etc. The LSD will just be one of many mods they'd probably make. As sold it's a road car with maybe the odd track day in mind, which is what 99% of buyers will do.
Doesn't really look like an automatic to me. No paddles on the wheel (optional though) and he seems to be moving his left leg after the lap around the track when he shifts. Also, I drove the 135i today and the tiptronic transmission doesn't have that much throw in the manumatic mode.
fuck they got the highest model in the 1 series but they got the base cayman it should be a cayman s to be a fair comaprision fuck fith gear they r sick top gear is da best
When he is talking about "grunt" he is talking bout the power not the sound. It's a bit of a colloquialism so a dictionary may not have helped you much.
I've got a Cayman and a colleague at work has a 135i. The BMW is sporty and a hell of a car no doubt, but it's still a BMW - different segment. I got the Cayman because of the handling and mid-engine.. yes it could do with some more HP, but Porsche was being careful not to shoot themselves in the foot and step into 911's land. I love my Cayman and it's a wonderful machine, and a HELL of a looker with 19! wheels ;-) and btw.. ppl dont turn around to check my friend's BM..
The BMW is cheaper and it has what like 50-60 more hp. They would need a cayman S which would be better, but it costs more. It's a Porsche though, competes with ferrari and lambos etc.
@donuthole47 I completely agree!!
racedude123456789 1 week ago
question? why didnt you put the cayman S up against the 135...seems like it would have been a little bit more even eh? orr do the 125 vs the cayman... you cant do top of the line series vs intro class...
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that BMW was 6000std Poundsss cheeeperr ^^ LMAO
snoopdoggm17 4 months ago
the beemer looks like crap!
soucorp 7 months ago
Fifth Gear producer 1: "How about we do a test on handling dynamics for these two cars? No?"
Fifth Gear producer 2: "No, let's just do a slalom test and who can make the most smoke on a drift instead; and we'll use different drivers with entirely different styles!"
What a joke. A true comparo would show a mid-engine weezer out-handling a torquey front engine any day. As an analogy, think a Corvette vs an Elise. I love the Bimmer, but the Cayman outhandles it hands down.
moselyliver 9 months ago
@moselyliver
stop taking it so seriously, these are two entirely diffrent cars. like jason pointed out in the video, the 1 series is a small saloon which happens to have a big engine under the bonnet while the porsche was designed to be a sportscar....end of ;)
G0ML3 7 months ago
@moselyliver Lol you obviously didnt watch the show???? the BMW was quicker around the track, witch means it has better handling! dont say u think those few extra bhp and torque matters...
Bmw is simply better then Porsche, in all cases tbh but thats a different storry!
Porsches is just overprised penis enlargers..
mkrohne 4 months ago
@mkrohne
Obviously you've never owned a Porsche.
moselyliver 4 months ago
@mkrohne You should be nominated for the Darwin Award for that comment
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One other thing... the 135i really has a 404hp engine, detuned to 300. For around $2500 you can have your BMW dealer dial it up for you without affecting the factory warranty. Add a $700 4" down pipe, and your in the mid-11s through the quarter mile and the mid-to-high 3s to 60.
Bottom line: DO NOT race a 135i, anything could be hiding under that hood.
z8machine 9 months ago
One other thing... the 135i really has a 404hp engine, detuned to 300. For around $2500 you can have your BMW dealer dial it up for you without affecting the factory warranty. Add a $700 4" down pipe, and your in the mid-11s through the quarter mile and the mid-to-high 3s to 60.
Bottom line: DO NOT race a 135i, anything could be hiding under that hood.
z8machine 9 months ago 2
I used to be a HUGE Top Gear fan. But I enjoy the boys on 5th a lot more now. This is pure auto entertainment.
With greetings from Iran
saeidmomtahan 10 months ago
oh god I looked this video up to see if fith gear is worth watching (giant top gear fan) I thought it was al quit alright until the last 5 seconds. If that little scripted afterthought is a regular part of the show count me out. terrible acting/presenting
zapwert 10 months ago
Porsche got pwned.
dereksbooks 10 months ago
@Kaisar It's not bogus because I said so, it's bogus for the reasons I stated. They used two different drivers. They tried to prove the BMW is faster by using two different drivers? And racing both cars at the same time? It would be better to use multiple skilled drivers and average the lap tips. But that wouldn't be as entertaining, and this is an entertainment show. Also, you do realize I'm a BMW fan that called the BMW win bogus, right? It's not like I'm basing this on bias :)
EarendilStar 11 months ago
The BMW is just plain ugly... Looks like a friggin boat with that upswept line under the driversdoor. Ugliest BMW since the old 7 series.
Crackedblade 11 months ago
i alwats thought needle is great driver, so if he was beaten in porsche...
vincentas 1 year ago
lol keep repeat 4:10 XD
MadKiller231 1 year ago
@787Bisurdaddy I could hardly believe that BMW would make a 135i without a manual option, but I wasn't sure. So I went to the BMW website to check it out. Sure enough, there IS a traditional manual option with the ever nice clutch pedal :)
There is also a 7 speed double clutch tranny with paddle shifters...
I'd say they have their bases covered.
EarendilStar 1 year ago
The BMW is certainly the more practical car, and for every day use, it'd be hard not to pick it over the Porsche. However, the Porsche looks better, drives better, and is more fun to drive, so despite the cost difference, I'd have a hard time choosing the Bimmer over it. This particular Bimmer, however, is lacking something that the Porsche has, something which excludes the Bimmer as an option for me: a gear shifter. I'll take a manual with a clutch pedal, thanks.
787Bisurdaddy 1 year ago
For all u who dont kno BMW won 24 hr of the ring haha
epicWINNER101 1 year ago
The BMW looks awful were is the Porsche looks great! I'd by the Cayman over the 135i anyday.
CrapDot45 1 year ago
@CrapDot45 If you had the money. Now dream =)
tobearockstar0706 1 year ago
@CrapDot45 That's a matter of taste. I happen to like the BMW more. The Porsche, while beautiful, looks typical, the BMW in the other hand has a real cool, laid back look.
jpcfernandes 11 months ago
it is all about driving pleasure...for instance:
You get much more pleasure on a day-to-day basis out of driving something like a VW GTI because the manual gearbox is so enjoyable to use and the car just feels like what a front wheel drive Porsche would be if they made such a thing. A Subaru WRX265 would blow the doors off of a GTI, but that's not really what it's about...it looks like a Corolla and it makes you feel like a punk.
If you want a visceral experience, choose Porsche.
wideopen704 1 year ago
The baby is capable of many things u can think of.
redmond12400 1 year ago
Top gear is better
BrotherOfAdood84 1 year ago
id still rather have an e46 m3 than the 135i
Stig217 1 year ago
The Caymen is the worst looking Porsche.
hondacar 1 year ago
@hondacar Oh no...You've mispelled Cayenne!
AWA1L 1 year ago
BMW forever. I sure hope the BMW 135tii will hit the streets !! I'd sell my mother for one :)
einherjen 1 year ago
Tiff tortures engines by downshifting from high revs. Listen at 1:27. At this point It seems that Plato things the same as me.
LuapIbiza 1 year ago
Let's not always think about cars in terms of cost. Yes the Porsche costs more; but I will buy a more expensive Porsche any day cos the they use better quality materials as compared to a BMW. Secondly, I can sell my Porsche at a better price than the BMW say in two years time.
persconoble3 1 year ago
bmws are for boys. like subarus.
Descartes619 1 year ago
the cayman was beat by a 135i!!!!... and they dont put the serie 6M.
lllJ0rgElll 1 year ago
The reason the BMW needs that much power is because it's way heavier
the Cayman need to be compared with the lighter Z4 Coupe
NigoNI60 1 year ago
Sorry prettier girls will always favour a porsche badge.
nistelsoi 1 year ago 4
Makes no sense. Should've been opposite. In terms of slalom and drifting.
LZKS 1 year ago
Porsche can't be taken in serious consideration doing cars of 245 hp.. even a golf r32 could beat this cayman and this is sad.
Porsche has to put contents in his cars, not only brand and image.
lallerooo1 1 year ago
you may be paying for the bmw badge but, you sure as hell are paying more for the porsche badge haha
aaronchungrulez 1 year ago
biggest difference is you drop 1g on the bmw and gain ~80hp and ~100 torque. Then it wouldn't even be close around the track.
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this is bullsh*t. Those idiots can't show the full potencial ot bthe cars. Give these monsters to BestMotoring International and watch what thay truely can... !!!
ka3anova90 2 years ago
Jason Plato and Tiff Needell were professionnal race drivers, they both have a really good racing pedigree, so I think they showed the potential of those cars pretty well
Yanp87 2 years ago
bullshit :S BMW 135İ vs CAYMASN S winner cayman s....
135. vs cayman winner 135i
porsche is enginering king...
javaplan15 2 years ago
Not true, the 0-60 time the 135i would still beat the Cayman S. Where it would become interesting is on a track though, the Cayman S should get it.
esscolab 1 year ago
LOL...2.7 naturaly aspirated engine against a monster 135i twin turbo...
Unfair comparison
Nemo13535 2 years ago
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manudelmarche 2 years ago
@Nemo13535
NA > Turbo
Track wise at least.
$8,000 less...If you spent $8,000 in upgrades on the Bimmer it wouldn't even be a fair comparison anymore.
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@m4a1jason
2.7 naturaly aspirated engine against a monster 135i twin turbo...
Unfair comparison ..cost aside as you pay for 0ver 70 years of enviable heritage and quality with Porsche.
Both nice cars
Nemo13535 1 year ago 2
The n54 engine in that 135i has such low lag that it pretty much eliminates that preference...that said a n54 will overheat while the Cayman keeps going. I own a 335i coupe with Juice Box 3 tune.
akburst510 1 year ago
@akburst510
Do you? Did you get a aftermarket intercooler for the boost/lb increase? If you did then you would know it wouldn't overheat. What about exhaust/downpipe to give the turbo some extra breathing?
m4a1jason 1 year ago
Man, iunno about you fellas, but that was exciting! I'm a BMW boy (drive an e30 325 lol) but that was really close... I honestly wasn't expecting the Bimmer to win!
--> Who cares though, they're both great cars to drive!!
regener8or 2 years ago 2
one that porshe whoreis dumb cause the cayman was clearly handled by the bimmer and m3 will kill a 911 non turbo and a m5 is compariable to anything porshe has other then the gt series it kills all their non turbo cars
131darien 2 years ago
Both cars are butt ugly, and a power slide test is pointless. I am sure the Caymen has much better handling but of course with the added HP plus easy tuning on the bimmer you have a better buy there.
pdemos 2 years ago
lmao. I love these guys.
lethalxwisdom 2 years ago
THE ONLY REASON it won the drift test was cuz of the drivers skill not the car.
ItsThatAznGuy 2 years ago
Drifting a mid-engine car is much more difficult than a FR car. The Cayman/Boxsters were designed to turn like they were on rails, not for demonstrating an ability to perform power slides! A comparison with the Cayman S would have been much better for the sake of credibility.
manudelmarche 2 years ago
ooh by the way my 09' cayman has the new PDK transmission and it shifts like a beast!!! If you dont know what driving a Porsche is like with the new PDK transmission, "I feel sorry for you",,,,,,... Only BMW that should be on the same track as a Porsche is the M5 and above
xaviergroup09 2 years ago
why would any one get a porsche that isnt a 911. its a waste of money. 370z beats it like nothing. cheaper to maintain and looks alot better.
xxxk 2 years ago
@xxxk The cayman has the best handleing of any car out there for starters!! And are you comparing a "Nissan" to a Porsche lol. A nissan lmfao. The porsche will demolish a 370z on any track any day everyone knows this. The only reason you settled for a 370z was bc you cant afford a porsche. Get a big boy's career so u can afford a big boy's car. A nissan lol. I bet the chicks love that pick up line "wanna ride in my nissan" I bet she has a nissan too...
xaviergroup09 2 years ago 5
But a Porsche wont demolish a GTR
sebah1991 2 years ago 2
@xaviergroup09 i like both nissan and porsche but hey what about a nissan skyline vs the cayman ? :P
NarowAR07 2 years ago
thats not in the same class bro but what about a veyron vs gtr
borladyno 2 years ago
@borladyno gtr would get smoked ^^ but how about typhoon eurofighter vs bugatti ? hehe check it out on top gear hah :D
NarowAR07 2 years ago
@NarowAR07 i love that video
borladyno 9 months ago
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You shouldn't talk about big boy's cars when you drive a cayman, it's a really good car, but it's not a real Porsche. And the new 370Z is surprisingly good.
tuhjoh 2 years ago
well, the cayman S is as fast as a Porsche 911 carrera on certain tracks... pretty embarassing... if they really tried to make the cayman as fast as it can be, I'm not so sure it wouldn't be faster than a 911
Yanp87 2 years ago
@Yanp87 I remember Top Gear's report on the Cayman. It's suspiciously placed right in the middle of the Boxster and 911 in every way, power, performance, price etc. They didn't make it as fast as it could be on purpose.
theberengersniper 1 year ago
@xaviergroup09 370z has 350bhp the porsche cayman has 265 so good luck with that bruv
TheRyeCatcherinthe 1 month ago
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donuthole47 1 week ago
@xaviergroup09 A GT-R will destroy most Porsches, even if it is "just a Nissan."
donuthole47 1 week ago
What about a Carrera GT?
manudelmarche 2 years ago
This test was stupid and the results are not valid! The second driver was better than the first. The same driver should have taken both cars around the track and then check the times, then the results would be more accurate. I have a 09' cayman and I never lost to a BMW ever!! especially a 1series BMW lol. Hands down Cayman is the better car I promise,,,,,...
xaviergroup09 2 years ago
I would wonna be with them and finaly know how the super fast speed feels.
JaroslavProductions 2 years ago
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i swear they're gay for each other. close your eyes listen to them talk while they do the lap in the two cars :O i swear they're gay.
chiveshardcore 2 years ago
What's the matter with Jason here? Normally, i am not a fan of this program but what the hell happened with him; when he starts with the BMW lap here, he looks strange.
dennieb1 2 years ago
porsche over bmw anyday
aaronlui0128 2 years ago
*sigh*
Good entertainment..perhaps. But as a huge BMW fan I can say the entire thing is just bogus. Two different drivers? When you get on a track, the skill of the driver starts to matter a lot more than an extra 50hp. Yes, the BMW "Won", and it's faster in a straight line, and frankly it's a better car. But it was still a bogus "race". There Porsche fans, I threw you a bone ;-)
EarendilStar 2 years ago 24
yes the bmw won .. but an extra 50 hp isnt really a fair fight.
on the other hand the Carrera S will whoup an M6 on any given day.
oldirtybastard213 2 years ago 2
@EarendilStar porsche will win with serious drivers!!:P
RoyCoST 1 year ago
@EarendilStar
BMW is better than Porsche? Its like comparing a lamborghini tractor to a ferarri enzo. BMW is overpriced "advanced consumer" product. Porsche has countless racing teams and it used to make the engines on Elefants the biggest anti-tank tracked vehicle ever made. BMW at the time settled with bikes. I think we can see here who would carry the tradition better.
razoleg 1 year ago
@razoleg
Nowhere did I say that BMW is a better company, I said that between those two cars, I think the BMW is better. And yes, comparing the two companies and what they produce today is silly. Porsche makes a different kind of car on average. However you have made a few grievous errors in your attempts to define BMW.
1. BMW has a very long and successful racing history, and still races today.
2. The fastest naturally aspirated production car ever, the Mclaren F1, was powered by a BMW engine.
EarendilStar 1 year ago
@EarendilStar
BMW's the best. More engine awards, less likely to go bankrupt, looks nicer, and it's more comfortable.
ErosaScuderia 1 year ago
@ErosaScuderia Har Har. BMW less likely to go bankrupt than VW? Unlikely.
ftpaddict 1 year ago
@EarendilStar well said xD
ebebimik 1 year ago
@EarendilStar cant be bogus just because yo u thought so. there are BMW and Porsche officials who take a lot of feed back through such tests that are shown to common public. Its a matter of changing policies about certain models that are available at the time when tests are taken. It greatly affects sales and also the consumer opinion about manufacturers
next time dont come up with home cooked recipes
kaisar1 11 months ago
bmw please bring back your old designer
desimunda116 2 years ago
^^All BMW 1-series are incredibly ugly!
Rajivkrijnen 2 years ago
just like your MOM!!
damwhodat3 2 years ago
whos the old designer? i think its kinda wierd looking becaus ethey tried to incorperate elements of the old 2002's from the 70s
CoonBabble 2 years ago
I don't know who the old designer was but I know that BMW changed their designer who designed the current line-up and they are just no where near as appealing as the ones from 2002, 2003
desimunda116 2 years ago
true. yea e46 m3, doesnt get much prettier...
CoonBabble 2 years ago
BMW IS the BEST !!!!!!
VincApple182 2 years ago
der. it's the drivers. Switch the drivers - switch the results.
quietthomas 2 years ago
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focking assholes burning downtop gears warehouse jellouse bastards
Aliteano09 2 years ago
I bet they love their jobs :D
That bimmer still looks fugly compared to the Cayman, imho ofcourse
waseok 2 years ago 4
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Handling in the Porsches is crap imho, i've driven as many Porsches as BMWs and my opinion is that BMW has better handling for my taste !
You have to compare with a M-tech or BMW with Sportfahrwerk
e36bimmerfan 2 years ago
yep, I would have to agree. This particular porsche looks great. I like BNW's, but, something is off with this one. IMHO as well. :)
colwild 2 years ago
素晴らしいの一言。 ぜひ弟子入りしてドライビングを学びたいくらいに思いました。 映画のひとコマのように、naiceな映像。 もちろんBMWの出来は秀逸。 アグレシッブな叔父様のドライビングと繊細で計算に富んだ青年の運転対決が観ていて楽しいです。
idaten55atagotengu 2 years ago
I dont believe you.
waseok 2 years ago
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mihaporschefan 2 years ago
J.P is a grand touring racer
MrCosmin94 2 years ago
thanks for posting. enjoyed watching. thanks
dandini2999 2 years ago
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BMW all day long.
yasser778866 2 years ago
I'm surprised they didn't mention the Porsche's variable ratio steering, which is awful. IMHO the Cayman is the clear winner, but the steering completely ruins it.
RobM77 2 years ago
Having driven both, I was blown away by the 135, the gadgets, the roomy back seat, the feel. Whereas the Cayman, I kept expecting something amazing... that never happened.
p.s. I have a 911 so I was a bit biased going into the comparison.
AMSroadrunner 2 years ago
But cayman doesnt have the limited slip differential and that can have speed impact during the turns in corner.
yuna238 2 years ago
you can get it added on. its an option.
SVTFjason 2 years ago
slip diff isnt cheap. Its quite expensive especially in cars like porshe.
yuna238 2 years ago
I'm not sure it's necessary to be honest in a mid engined 300bhp car. Mind you, it's mainly driving pleasure I'm after, not speed.
RobM77 2 years ago 13
rob thats for you, but im pretty sure some people will buy these and race them.
yuna238 2 years ago
Point taken. By race though I guess you mean track days? For actual racing the car would be heavily modified with LSD etc anyway, not to mention grippier tyres which might make the LSD redundant anyway. For track days outright pace is less important than driving enjoyment, but I suppose it's a matter of opinion - having driven both these cars a fair amount I'd take both without the added dynamic complication of an LSD, but I can understand someone who might want an LSD also.
RobM77 2 years ago
If anyone's racing a car they'll strip it back to the shell anyway and fit things like an LSD, different suspension etc. The LSD will just be one of many mods they'd probably make. As sold it's a road car with maybe the odd track day in mind, which is what 99% of buyers will do.
RobM77 2 years ago
That depends on what people do with their cars. LSD is highly useful if your car is a AWD and wants to drift.
LSD main purpose is to create oversteer or understeer depending on the accell and decel settings.
yuna238 2 years ago
cayman s, 3.4 litre engine.
drove on last week.
beautiful to drive.
and you'd get more skirt than if you owned a beamer !
ourliquidlives 2 years ago
Err Cayman S starts at £45k, £15k more than the 135i. You'd be better comparing it to the M3 (£51k) which it would do nothing short of whimper at.
anomalousresult 2 years ago
bmw is the best
marbmwlena 2 years ago 2
you see him shift at 2:40
andygreek69 2 years ago
Doesn't really look like an automatic to me. No paddles on the wheel (optional though) and he seems to be moving his left leg after the lap around the track when he shifts. Also, I drove the 135i today and the tiptronic transmission doesn't have that much throw in the manumatic mode.
Sh0ty 2 years ago
why does the gayman...oh sorry, Cayman...such an expensive car? i mean, i don't really like porches...i don't play golf.
BMWFan321 2 years ago 2
this is so stupid.. bmw series 1 'beating' cayman. quite amazing
leohakker 2 years ago
but ask yourself with which car do you impress your girl the most ?
lakshmere 2 years ago 4
undoubtedly with porsche:)
leohakker 2 years ago 4
Its optional!!!!!
6CHRIS6ROWE6 2 years ago
Does the 135i have automatic transmission? Why would you want that in a sportscar?
aadjoow 2 years ago
because it's faster.
justinleitch1 2 years ago
yes it may be faster but it would take away the racing sensation: in my opinion shifting gear manually is an essential part of driving a sportscar.
aadjoow 2 years ago 2
I agree
morito12345678 2 years ago
You can see and hear him shift right after he finishes the race.
Buckeye911 2 years ago
paddle shift, genius
lowdmouse2010 2 years ago
Its optional triptronic
6CHRIS6ROWE6 2 years ago
bmw
elementsucks24 2 years ago
jason takes the good cars :P
tazzcaaarlovr 2 years ago
lol, people in Britain call coupes coupAYEs...
runetang 2 years ago
because its spelled coupé and é is pronounced ay or eh in french
Caseybat94 2 years ago 3
4:37 She has no facial features.
daedalx 2 years ago
German engineering. Where are all the Japenese cars now.
hitmanhite 2 years ago
Japan has gone green.. Eco-friendly cars are the future and we all will be driving Japanese vehicles.
daedalx 2 years ago
na man they just came out with the gt-r.. but yea thats probably a one off
Niteguy705 2 years ago
saionara
lakshmere 2 years ago
No BMW can touch Porsches like the GT2 and GT3 though.
HPaillet 2 years ago
yeah the cls m3
kevotheasian 2 years ago
thats the lightened one?
HPaillet 2 years ago
the epically lightened one
desimunda116 2 years ago
(it's actually as fast as the M3.)
ez45 2 years ago 2
135i is faster than most 3ers and 5ers.
ez45 2 years ago
fuck they got the highest model in the 1 series but they got the base cayman it should be a cayman s to be a fair comaprision fuck fith gear they r sick top gear is da best
zaghalelo 2 years ago
the BMW is still cheaper new though
HPaillet 2 years ago
and still it is a 1er bmw not a 3er/5er/6er ;) nor even the m3/m5 ;)
diggnjim 2 years ago
its was for 30k price thats why
jason21jburg 2 years ago
3:46 What does "grund" mean?
THX
juliannold 2 years ago
"Grunt" as in the sound. You can use urbandictionary[dot]com to look this kind of stuff up.
malgacho 2 years ago
Grunt and it means torque.
tg72211 2 years ago
When he is talking about "grunt" he is talking bout the power not the sound. It's a bit of a colloquialism so a dictionary may not have helped you much.
machidaman 2 years ago
Cayman hands down!
malgacho 2 years ago
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juliannold 2 years ago
The Cayman S would take the 135i. But then again if it had AWD and a stiffer suspension it would probably hold its own.
bototheone1 2 years ago
the porsche has a 2.7l 6cylider engine and bmw a 3.5 v6 which kind of competition is that but if the porsche werw cayman s i will be fare
camilo94011500042 2 years ago
its not a 3.5 its a 3.0 its just called 135
vrracing 2 years ago 3
Its a 3.0L inline 6, and the comparisons are based on price, and car class, the Cayman is already 12grand more then the 135.
bleckndecker 2 years ago
more like an line 3 litre twin turbo
pentae 2 years ago
M-Power!!!
andreacattelan 2 years ago
damn right ! bmw owns all
L33tPurple 2 years ago
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PUREOWN 2 years ago 4
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Sascom129 2 years ago 6
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PUREOWN 2 years ago
You said, i met the blonde girl at a pub and she sucked my willy. :P
Sascom129 2 years ago
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PUREOWN 2 years ago
Both these idiots are drifting their cars through corners when trying to set a fastest laptime.
There is a camera car on the track which they have to evade at certain points.
Seriously.. this show is bullshit.
DutchManticore 2 years ago 2
Thats why you should watch top gear and he stig :) haha but..yeh couldn't find a lot of new ep. of top gear in this site
HeeVindinho 2 years ago
I've got a Cayman and a colleague at work has a 135i. The BMW is sporty and a hell of a car no doubt, but it's still a BMW - different segment. I got the Cayman because of the handling and mid-engine.. yes it could do with some more HP, but Porsche was being careful not to shoot themselves in the foot and step into 911's land. I love my Cayman and it's a wonderful machine, and a HELL of a looker with 19! wheels ;-) and btw.. ppl dont turn around to check my friend's BM..
alesssj4 2 years ago 2
Exactly!
YOu know EXACTLY what you're talking about. Neither of the cars is better or worse.. they're different.
Both cars have their own special worth :)
People always want to hear what they have is best.. but they shouldn't :P
DutchManticore 2 years ago
the in the BMW can drift at all and BMW is a mother of drifting.Ans he cant drive shit he was drifting by false on the 3rd part.
freddy692000 2 years ago
Quit talking about the Coxster S, because BMW will just bring out their very own... Z4M Coupe. Go BMW!
keanehgz 2 years ago 2
Really both cars were excellent! I like the Beemer more, so I am going to say that it deserves it more
FSJZ97 2 years ago
I'm a 100% BMW fan but I adore Porsche as well.
I was really expecting more out of the Cayman
LOLitsJono 2 years ago
i agree, but, just feel bether for us bmw-fans :-)
frozenskipper 2 years ago
The BMW is cheaper and it has what like 50-60 more hp. They would need a cayman S which would be better, but it costs more. It's a Porsche though, competes with ferrari and lambos etc.
TrueCall 2 years ago
This is not such a surprise, we already knew that Porsches are more expensive for each horsepower...
But I love both cars, BMW must be perfect as a daily sports car, the Cayman as a toy for in the weekends! ;)
stevenboone993 2 years ago 7