ENGINEER major not ART major nor FILM major with people such as Shōji Kawamori, Alfred Hitchcock, Gunpei Yokoi, Hironobu Sakaguchi, & more made this (IMMORAL, CORRUPTING YOUTH, & EVIL) kind of MASTERPIECE....
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That's while ARTsy-FARTsy (always talking about their ART & their MORALITY like ZION-CHRISTIAN Ted Haggard PRIEST & their CRONIES) made these....
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Contradiction? Life is stranger than fiction!! =/
Video GAME is a medium that dare not speak its name! It's cloaked in euphemisms such as INTERACTIVE MEDIA or DIGITAL ARTS now a day!! >=(
Why Radio & Music Industry Sucks now....
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George Carlin - Advertising Lingo....
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If I want STORY, I read a BOOK! That's ART my arse, STORY my arse, & MORALITY my arse! I told U exactly what a GREAT GAME not ART CRAP is, which must be driven with GAMEPLAY, TECH, & BLACK HEART! Spare me LINGO CRAP 4 DIP-SHIT!! >=P
I had been VIDEO GAMING 4 ever! It is one of my HOBBY, & I as GAMER will accurately define it without any BS Euphemisms! Video Game is a GAMING Medium! It is a sub set of SOFTWARE with 1 & 0 where computers can read them in machine code! This COMPUTER SOFTWARE contain GAMEPLAY, which allowed USER INPUTS & INTERACTIONS with DISPLAY on SCREEN! With this GAMEPLAY, it had GAME PHYSICS ENGINE, TEXTURE (polygon or spirit) FILES, AUDIO FILES, UI, AI, & ETC that made up this GAMING MEDIUM!! >=)
SEARCH & READ "Weekly Rant: Advertisements in Video Games - Cheat Code Central"
Josh Engen said, "narcissistic loudmouth who thinks that you deserve to live in a world where no one tries to sell you a product, you might want to ask your doctor for a psych referral."
George Carlin talks about advertising....
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SEARCH & READ "Advertising in Violent Video Games Results in Poor Recall"
We already paid $60 per GAME! U can't even deliver GAMEPLAY we want, CLUE-LESS IDIOTS!! >=(
ARTsy-FARTsy SUX! U don't have ball to WRITE your STORY SHIT in your NOVEL INDUSTRY, to CINEMA your NARRATIVE SHIT in your FILM INDUSTRY, to PAINT your ARTsy SHIT in your ART MUSEUM, & to MORALITY your TED HAGGARD SHIT in your CHURCH! That's WHY U R wasting time in VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY....
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SEARCH & READ "GDC 2012 details Game IT Summit talks featuring McGonigal"
Luis Blondet, U R ARTsy-FARTsy DOORMAT! U should have played our FPS & GTA to beat HOOKER & take her $!! >=P
SEARCH & READ "Jane McGonigal: Gaming can make a better world" on her VIDEO
Luis Blondet, U R so GULLIBLE! I want U to picture HER SPEECH to our FPS & GTA to beat HOOKER & take her $ GAMERS instead of your Goody-Two-Shoe ARTsy-FARTsy GAMERS! We would be BOOing her off-stage!! >=)
ONLY PEOPLE that can solved our world's most serious problems R those in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, & Math) FIELDS....
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KIND of PEOPLE that USA hated these days!! {roll my eyes}
SEARCH & READ "The "dumbing down" of video games - MMO-Champion"
SEARCH & READ "Creepy Jesus, With You Always"
SEARCH & READ "I Come To Praise First-Person Shooters, Not To Bury Them"
Mike Langlois, FPS GAMERS don't need your approval! Ted Haggard like your LGBT weirdo R irritating! Go play THE SIMS, or join USA MILITARY because Bush 2.0 make it possible 4 U now!! >=P
Gamasutra write so much false ASSumptions & little USEFUL INFO!! >=(
VIDEO GAMES R GAME & always will be! Only those STRONG in STEM (Science, Tech, Engineering, & Math) FIELDS can make these!! >=)
Overgrowth: HD Teaser trailer....
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Crysis Physics Extreme Explosions....
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Sadly, we R held back by ARTsy-FARTsy....
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Gamasutra needs to filter out at least half of their content, which R GIBBERISH & FLUFF! That's 4 a site on VIDEO GAMING MAKING that rarely talked about VIDEO GAME MAKING!! {roll my eyes}
Video Games R not ART! They R just GAMES! VIDEO GAMES may contain ART just like SOCCER BALL may contain ART on that BALL! That SOCCER BALL is still driven by GAMEPLAY not your ARTsy-FARTsy STORY BS!! {roll my eyes}
Stop using WORD-SMITH to twist our VIDEO GAMES into your ARTsy-FARTsy BS!! >=(
Our SOCIETY manipulated by RACIST POLITICIANS, RACIST MASS MEDIA, & RACIST CHURCHES like to SLANDER our VIDEO GAMERS as VIOLENT PEOPLE daily, but I'm going tell people this TRUTH! It sounds PARADOX, but it is TRUTH!! =/
SEARCH & READ "ADOLF HITLER's PAINTINGS"
SEARCH & READ "ART by John Wayne Gacy"
Our MASS MURDERERS, SERIAL KILLERS, & just AWFUL LOW-LIFE R really these ARTsy-FARTsy TYPE! Look at them! They can't wait to MOLEST our CHILD HOOD MEMORIES on even our VIDEO GAMING!! >=(
Our GREEDY CROOKS, FLAG-WAVING LIARS, PRO-RELIGIOUS BIGOTS, MASS MURDERERS, SERIAL KILLERS, & just AWFUL LOW-LIFE R obsessed in ART....
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VIDEO GAMES R not REAL! They R 4 FUN, yet we have these LIARS pretend that they R REAL to SCAPEGOAT our GAMERS & distract OTHERS from knowing what a SHIT that they really R....
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They hated our GAMES in GAMEPLAY....
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They won't be happy until everything is ARTsy-FARTsy like they R!! >=(
Hayao Miyazaki is POLITICAL SCIENCE major not ART major....
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Shōji Kawamori is AERONAUTICAL ENGINEERING major not ART major either! Most Aerospace/Mechanical Engineers can DRAW way better than ARTsy-FARTsy like Jackson Pollock anyhow....
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Alfred Hitchcock & Stanley Kubrick never won an OSCAR, so neither did Akira Kurosawa....
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ART is PRETENTIOUS & favorite word of ARTsy-FARTsy!! >=P
If HOLLYWOOD, which is control by Zion-CHRISTIAN-Gay-As-Hell-JEWS, can not even give an OSCAR toward their BEST FILM DIRECTORS such as Alfred Hitchcock, Akira Kurosawa, & more in their own FILM INDUSTRY, do U think these IDIOTS can tell another INDUSTRY how to run its own affairs!! =/
SEARCH & READ "The Evolution Of The First-Person Shooter, In One Shot"
FPS GAMEPLAY should be like this BENCHMARK (N64)....
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VIDEO GAMES should NOT be like FILM INDUSTRY!! >=(
SEARCH & READ "Everything you need to know about the video game industry" from ubergeeek
SEARCH & READ "Get The Hell Off My Lawn: Why Bioshock Has Ruined FPS Genre For Me"
Stop WORD-SMITH BS, Jerry FAG! BIOSHOCK is CRAP from Zion-JEW Ken Levine (A System Shock WANNABE)! Doug Church is that LEGEND behind our GREAT GAMEPLAY! Give CREDIT where it is due!! {roll my eyes}
Oh, I got CENSORED by AlphaOmegaSin 4 telling him that he is one of those REVIEW CRITICS like FAT-ARSE Roger Ebert, too, not our FPS GAMERS that have to pay with our HARD-EARNED MONEY as one of our HOBBY....
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Do U noticed that MASS-MEDIA always PORTRAIT our GAMERS as either some DORKY-FAT-ARSE (FUGLY) NERDS or those POT-SMOKING (can't hold a real job) HIPSTERS? If Tim Schafer's STORY BS always FLOP & John Madden series SPORT GAMES would SOLD well, what do that tells U!? =/
SEARCH & READ "Shinji Mikami" of Resident Evil (SOFTWARE)
SEARCH & READ "Min-Liang Tan" of Razer (HARDWARE)
Our VIDEO GAME DEVELOPERS R way COOLER than those COUCH POTATOES Roger Ebert & their ARTsy-FARTsy CRONIES from FILM INDUSTRY! Keep your FAT-ARSE ARTsy-FARTsy & COUCH POTATOES making FILMS out of our Lean & Mean FPS VIDEO GAMES.... haha!! >=P
SEARCH & READ "Shadows On The Screen: The Safety of Maintaining Taboo and the Importance of Social Deviance"
This is another attempt by ARTsy-EMO-Adolf Hitler to SCAPEGOAT our GAMERS! How many SOLDIERS would BUNNY HOP 4 SPEED GAIN in REAL WORLD? Do we run faster in REAL WORLD because we hold a KNIFE in hand vs holding a SNIPER RIFLE like in CS 1.6!? =/
George Carlin - Euphemistic Language....
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Come on, we have a FROG that can't swim in FROGGER!? {roll my eyes}
Are video game art? No. Games suffers from something a like to call "gameplay syndrome" - when gameplay is put before story, characterization or themes. Even worst - sometimes stories in games are just excuse for gameplay. And this is purpose of gaming to entertain you, and that's why games never will be an art. They are like summer blockbusters or trashy novels, their purpose is to entertain. And I don't know why gamers get all butt hurt when you said the say the true?
@imcaspa1995 please give me a logical, well structured, three-point argument as to why games cannot be art. I want to hear your side. Once I hear a good enough, mature argument, i'll try to convince you that you are wrong.
for every last supper there are a million doodles. for every Indiana Johns there are a thousand troll2s. for every peace of Mozart there are a thousand sing alongs. so why do people always pull up stuff like "mortal combat" or "GTA3" when arguing over this topic. for every great peace of cinema there are a thousand "Friday the 13th part6". and why when ever i bring up "shadow of the colossus" or any other game they say that they never play video games.
@lukeprog oh god, video games can never be art, never never never, and just because somebody makes a game that takes a slightly different approach like shadow of the colossus or okami, that does not make them works of art
MInecraft is the most artistic game I have ever played. It's atmosphere, depth, and music makes it the most relaxing games to play. Aside from the monsters killing you.
So glad I stumbled upon this... great video, you make some great points, and in the past I've made several others as well. I wrote a long, detailed response when I read an article in PC Gamer that said video games are not, and cannot be, art. I'll have to dig it up now, but I'm so glad there's a lot of people out there who realize the truth, that there is a great amount of artistic beauty in many games these days.
1. Literature 2. Theatre 3. Film 4. Architecture 5. Painting 6. Music 7. Sculpture 8. Calligraphy 9. Dance 10. Street Art . . . . . . . . 9001. Comics 900002. Photography 90000000003. Video Games Cry more.
@jamesfish05 Literature=video games. Easily, just play a single video game from this gen, it has more voice acting and more dailouge then 50 motion movies combined. Any moron can see this and you my good sir are dumber than a moron.
@jayofthe400 You deserve to go to hell for even using the word "sir". Why the fuck does everyone use that fucking word on the internet? It doesn't make then any more cool or edgy. It just makes them seem like massive tits. [Reply inevitable]
@jamesfish05 If you don't know why I used it for the fact that it was sarcastic. also, only attacking me for using the word 'sir' ??? are you high or something? Or just that damn stupid my good 'sir' :)
@jamesfish05 To which you replied with trollish intent. Lets be honest here, movies are a failure of a artistic medium, Video games these days ARE basically books with the amount of depth you can find in them. The sheer fact that there are people like me who believe this prove you WRONG in all accounts. Video games are easily high art, you however, are nothing but a troll that knows nothing of the meaning of the word art. Also, you suck HORRIBLY at trolling. Please go to school and learn for onc
@jamesfish05 Is this all you do you trollish piece of shit? Do you just lurk into videos like this and just try to set people off because your mother never loved you? I mean, Jesus dude. you are NOTHING in life and will be nothing in death, no one will miss you, and NO ONE will care that you are dead.
Also, my own shit is smarter than you! Literally, it can actually do addition right in front of me, far better math then you are probably capable of kiddo.
@jamesfish05 Coming from a troll. Everyone, plus up my post if you believe this man to be a huge fucking troll that is inbred and possibly below the age of 13.
I'm a huge video game fan, but I have to say that video games as a whole can never be art.
Games can be artistic, and they usually contain art, but the act of gaming (i.e. Giving input and receiving output) is not art.
The visuals of SotC are art, the music of SotC is art, the story of SotC is art. However, SotC itself is not a piece of art. It is a collection of artworks that make up an interactive media piece.
Keep in mind: "Art" does not mean "good," and "not art" does not mean "bad."
If you've ever played a game campaign which emotionally moved you, that is undeniably art. Seriously, it's like a story you unfold yourself, a story you developed through your own decisions. I've seen splotches on a canvas called art, so it's obvious that video games are artforms as well. There are deliberate forms of symbolism employed in all types of games, not to mention when a game is coupled with a compelling soundtrack, it's a beautiful thing.
@luaudesigndf Because a video game by definition is a game. I'll concede that a video game can contain art in the same manner a chess board or deck of cards can, but that does not make the game itself an art form .
@OldSchopenhauer a painting is by definition a painting. I'll concede that a painting can contain art in the same manner a chess board or deck of cards can, but that doesn't make painting itself an art form.
"If a cross in a can of piss can be art, so can video games"
Isn't that WHY most of our "REAL" GAMERS don't want our VIDEO GAMES to be ART like? Not all of us wants our VIDEO GAMES to be like your ARTIST, Jackson Pollock, with 3rd Rated CREATIVITY! Our VIDEO GAMES will always be about 1st Rated GAMEPLAY not your Jackson Pollock BULL SHIT!! {roll my eyes}
Video games are potentially a much bigger art form than movies, you cannot even begin to compare both. Videogames will evolve to eventually become the game of life itself. Total immersion, you'll never know the difference from real life. Think holodeck from star-trek. Movies will become a much lower form of art compared to future videogames (the name will change they won't be called videogames anymore, but essencially are)
Videogames are not art and can never be art. They are an interactive medium and as such have more in common with sports. Sport can provoke emotions and provide experiences, but sport is not art. Can we please move along from this and respect videogames as something better than art rather than circling this drain of concept abuse and word manipulation? This makes us all look very bad!
"Can we please move along from this and respect videogames as something better than art rather than circling this drain of concept abuse and word manipulation? This makes us all look very bad!"
VIDEO GAMES R ART people have INFLATED EGO & have NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER! They can't stand REALITY of that VIDEO GAMES R actually GAMES.... duh!! =/
I agree that games are art but not all the games, actually there is really few games I can consider them arts, a few examples are Bioshock 1 and 2 because of their story line, Okami has deep artistic graphics, Red Dead Redemption is also art because it makes a the wild west come to life for us that didnt live by that time, but the best games that resemble what art is Shadow of the colossus this games is absolutly amazing...
I am really not a gamer. I seldom play video games, but I think that video games are and always where art. If you go by the standard definition of art: product or process that passes a message full of emotion, thoughts or mood to an audience, then video games are art. The interactivity in them makes them even more artsy because the audience (player) is more connected to the game.
@victoryweed Maybe if you knew the movies I mentioned you would know. Comparing Chaplin to Mario is, like I said, insulting to any movie buff out there, no pun intended.
I've noticed that many critics lack proper knowledge of art. Even the person who made this video. Video games have been art all along, just as art has always been, it is about the experience. Do people not experience emotion when listening to bach just as they do playing a game? is there not a story? Art is about interpretation and emotion, imagination. They are not simply evolving, they are here.
Only new games are to be considered art due to better graphics? I'm sorry but I think that's rather unfair. Classic games used IMAGINATION to sell due to technological limitations.
@victoryweed Super Mario might be the A Trip to the Moon or The Great Train Robbery, but comparing it to Chaplin is, I don't know how to put it, insulting?
@HalfLifeHalfDead um..i dont think its insulting,i think its idiotic,the two are not even in the same dimension of art...music,and videogame,might aswell compare Bruce Willis to beethoven,the two cant be compared
but nonetheless,games are art,music,the stories,the sculpting of characters,the terrain,the emotions they invoke,you cant ignore those facts:/
@Janovjev I can and I do. Just because games have music and level design doesn't make them art just like Lady Gaga's work isn't. It takes a bit more to be art and quite frankly most DEVELOPERS refuse to call their work "art" for a reason. Until the front-runner of the industry is a war game that doesn't acknowledge war for the dreadful thing it is (like Apocalypse Now´or Full Metal Jacket) and almost all games are centered around the idea to be FUN, not Art you can't call games art.
@HalfLifeHalfDead Games like Silent Hill, Heavy Rain Shadow, Final Fantasy VI are art. No there isn't a war game that reveals the true horrors of war, and there probably never will be. But declaring saying soemthign can't be an art is ignorant/
@Badfish93 I didn't say it can't be art. I said it isn't right now and your examples reinforced my opinion. Silent Hill?! Honestly, a great horror game, but art?! Heavy Rain is a step in the right direction, even if it is at times inconsistent. Final Fantasy 6 I won't even comment on, what exactly makes it art?
@Badfish93 Games will become art in all probability and there are some games that are right besides the mark (Ico, Fahrenheit and smaller games like Braid), but even the devs themselves say what they do isn't art. The R* guys for instant said around the time of GTA 4 that games still haven't produced their Godfather or Citizen Kane, to which I totally agree. They still haven't. But the probably will.
@HalfLifeHalfDead Ture, you do have a point, but if everything tha tis put into a game art( Concept Art, music, storytelling) how come it is put into one it isn't art, it makes no sense
@FrenzySliver What about visual novels/ puzzle games, such as the Professor Layton series or more relevantly 999: 9 Hours 9 Persons 9 Doors. 999 has perhaps the most gripping story I have ever experienced in gaming.
There are a couple story-based games no one has mentioned yet that are really great examples of how video games are art (such as Ghost Trick and the Phoenix Wright series, if anyone has heard of them).
I just want someone to answer this question, why does it matter? Can't us gamers just say it's something we like? I agree that they are art but I still don't get why it matters.
another example of video game art is the game Minecraft. for those of you taht don't know, it is a sandbox game that involves the crafting of tools, and the usage of those tools to acquire resource blocks which you can then lay down. the game has nearly unlimited potential, and the procedurally generated worlds are infinite, and random. the worlds in their natural state can often be breathtaking, and the constructions people make are simply magnificent. if that is not art, i don't know what is.
Every art form takes time to be accepted. The time of video games will come.
Also, I find it highly stupid when somebody picks on one aspect of one game - say, CoD multiplayer - and then uses this as a reason for why every video game is not art. Bioshock, Red Dead, Combat Evolved... visually, Crysis and some areas of Killzone... there is art in video games if you know where to look.
i find the many excuses used against videogames to be lacking. some say that bechose you can win (i use that word loosly) or that art can only be experienced not played whitch makes me think. so art is not art to artist? or console games are not art but arcade games are? videogames are art, get over it. i wonder, if they are ever played limbo. its awsome game about a kid searching a way to home.
Bioshock. Fallout. Portal. The Elder Scrolls. Half Life. These are just a few examples of games that make us, as a player, question philosophy, free will, good and evil, and transport us to worlds beyond our imagining. If that isn't art, what is?
The participation in games means they will never be regarded as art. The examples he gave still leave room the artist to make changes - or another artist, Not the consumer. When you start to make changes to Bach you have stepped out of the realm of the fan and joined on the side of the musician.
@theloyalfury Movies you have to view, books you have to read and videogames you have to play. it is just the same as other mediums. just because it is new and has extremely new forms of telling stories does not mean it isn't art, hell, the oppisite really. the interaction is something that books and movies have tried to do before with little succues, but videogames have succeeded where the movie and book industry failed. anyone who even says videogames aren't art really aren't thinking right.
@jayofthe400 But you do not change the final outcome of the story regardless of whether you as a individual partake in it or not - Videogames change based on that participation. Thus ruining their ability to be regarded as "art" - you the participant has the final say on things - not the creator.
A great example of a game being art is 'The Company of Myself'. It's a flash game with simple controls and basic graphics but uses text and music to create a very moving exprience.
I mean, what are games trying to do, if they're not trying to create a human exprience in which the gamer/audience can relate to? Interactive enviroments do not restrict games as an art form, quite the opposite actually.
On the one hand, there are several games that I feel top some of the best movies in different genres... I'd venture to say that the best video games are of equal artistic weight with anything done by George Lucas or Stephen Spielberg.
But, having said that... I've never met a game that changed who I am. Movies like Lawrence of Arabia, Amadeus, or even Koyaanisqatsi.
In fact, I can't even imagine what a game would do to have a similar impact.
@FiverBeyond it doesnt have to change you, it must affect you in some way. but it can't if you automatically close your self off. shadow of the colossus is a perfect example , playing that felt like enjoying an opera and im not just talking about the music. the act of taking down all of the collosus ,in an attempt to bring a loved one back only to become a colosus your self (and you cant just watch it , you must interact with it . in the end i learned something from shadow of the collosus
the successful use of interactivity is very important and not always easy to pull off - games involve the same elements as film with the addition interactivity. The way that a game can immerse someone, make them part of the experience, makes it more of an art form than not.
Hate to say it, but I agree with antisocialfatman's review when he says that Bioshock's "artsiness" is mostly superficial. It pretends to have serious themes... but actually doesn't. It pretends to be a social commentary... but it really isn't. If Bioshock is our flagship for videogames as art, then Roger Ebert might just be right.
@FiverBeyond you can't say that something is not art , doing so will only prove that you don't understand what art is. art is not fixed , there is no list no book saying what is and what isn’t. if something is art it just is , but not because the viewer says it is, but rather because the one who created it says it is. if you put your "heart" into creating something, that can be effect people, (even if that’s just causing a smile or a smug hateful reaction ) then it is art.
If you can't say that something is not art, then you also can't say that something is art.
I couldn't agree more that the definition of art is highly subjective, but having said that, it's the job of critics, reviewers, and artists themselves to 'try out' different definitions and see how different works measure up. I could easily define art in such a way that video games are art: my point is that I could also easily define it such that they aren't, and this troubles me.
Video games are not art, they are games. They are beautiful, and more beautiful to me than most art, and they utilize art in the same way art was utilized in monopoly, but would you call monopoly art? No. It's a game. But the reason why games are good is because they involve you in such a way that no art could ever do it. I prefer to play a good GAME base that utilizes good art than an art game.
some people may say: Its a waste of time and money, and it can be dangerous from phsychological sides...But, i say, everything has bad sides... Take an example the car....Its fast its useful but yet dangerous... And yes videogames are art... Its purpose is to entairtain.
Super Mario Bro's will be considered Video games Citizen Kane in 50 years. Super Mario Bro's is still light-gears above most video games in gameplay which is basically what cinematography is to film. And despite Metal Gear being filled with cutscenes its currently video games best story which rivals any great literature and film of the past. I'd consider Metal Gear as today's Great Gatsby.
another way video games are art is the way the scenery looks the character designs you don't even need to see game play or play the game to see these elements. you can look at a screen shot of a game. for example Mario games have a unique art style and it's not because of graphics limitations of Nintendo consoles that makes Mario games look like the way they look. it is because Nintendo wants to make Mario games stand out from the rest.
Yes, MAKING of video games is an art. PLAYING of video games isn't. Making your own art form is a lot more fun than running through a digital maze that someone has designed for you. Sounds a lot like a little mouse.
I consider some of Roger Erbet's arguments seriusly poor for a "international renowed film critic".
The authorial control argument not considers the participation of the receptor (the player) who has been demostrated to be more active than was suposed to be -in theatre, for example-
But, wich I consider really absurd is to spect of an art born in the 70's to reach the level of Dante or Tarkovsky. In fact, in my opinion, film recently was properly "mature" in the 60's.
It takes years to make a game! it takes time and effort and thought and hard work and it is there to express an idea and to bring enjoyment into people! Video games are art! Games are becomeing so real an can make someone think so much more about something and make you feel what the creators wanted you to feel all the emotions! how can anyone dare argue and say video games are not art!
Are you the guy who does the 'Conversations from the Pale Blue Dot' podcast? Your voice sounds very familiar. Anyway, I totally agree with you here. I find it downright ridiculous that people can make the claim that video games can 'never' be art.
I think its just that the older generations think that video games are childish and for that reason can't have any meaningful content. Why this view? I know plenty of people in their 30's who enjoy playing them - not only for the gameplay but for the engaging storylines and artistic direction. Its not just for kids. As the medium matures this will become much more apparent.
Anything with entertainment value can become art, and when i look at videogames, i see something films can't come close to. Video Games ARE a work of art, one that you can experience with a tv,a console,and a controller. When we are gaming,we can be legendary heroes, soldiers on the front lines, generals of massive armies, or just a plucky little plumber. We already have great examples games with artistic merit,Heavy Rain,Bioshock,Flowers,Limbo among others.games are art, and micheal bay is not
if people experience games for themselves and think for themselves there are all sorts of games that could be considered art for sure. there are many aspects of different forms of art that combine to make a video game what it is in the first place. to say that an interactive movie or animation isn't art is the stupidest thing i've heard in a while.
Another example of video game art is Red Dead Redemption. Sure, it's a shooter, and it's sandbox style is vastly altered by your decisions, but if you remove all that and just look at its environment and story, it's truly a story that rivals the most beautiful of films.
People say that video games are not art because most of them have never played any video games and the only thing they have heard about video games is that propaganda the media are trying to sell about how violent the games can make you.If people tried just to sit down and play a video game for a couple of hours they could understand why video games are deserved to be called a form of art.
Excellent! I've seen a ton of videos filled with gameplay clips set to heavy metal pieces in my time, trying desperately to show visually that games can be art. Never before have I seen such a solid example of proof that video games are an emerging art form.
i do agree that video games CAN be an art form and some of the games are truly are, but you all know why it's hard to take it seriously.
unlike movies, theater or music, games are created for commercial reasons only. VG costs a lot of money and it's public is mainly kids and gamers (which is after all a limited market), so the companies do everything to please the audience. and that's prevent them to turn it to a true art.
I read the article in Game Informer on this subject recently (in fact I'm using it as a speech topic for class), and I completely agree with the argument laid out in this video.
I can't help but feel we'll lose something when video games become widely recognized as a viable artistic medium. Won't the lazy, unimaginative "artists" from the film and television industries migrate into our territory and pollute our markets with the same drivel that passe
FACADE? Worst example ever, no offence
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SEARCH & READ "The Führer's Obsession with Art"
ENGINEER major not ART major nor FILM major with people such as Shōji Kawamori, Alfred Hitchcock, Gunpei Yokoi, Hironobu Sakaguchi, & more made this (IMMORAL, CORRUPTING YOUTH, & EVIL) kind of MASTERPIECE....
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That's while ARTsy-FARTsy (always talking about their ART & their MORALITY like ZION-CHRISTIAN Ted Haggard PRIEST & their CRONIES) made these....
watch?v=xaP8oS_IV9s
Contradiction? Life is stranger than fiction!! =/
IronJackalTw 6 days ago
Video GAME is a medium that dare not speak its name! It's cloaked in euphemisms such as INTERACTIVE MEDIA or DIGITAL ARTS now a day!! >=(
Why Radio & Music Industry Sucks now....
watch?v=Vzm50HEmNeM
George Carlin - Advertising Lingo....
watch?v=38wFNVKehBw
If I want STORY, I read a BOOK! That's ART my arse, STORY my arse, & MORALITY my arse! I told U exactly what a GREAT GAME not ART CRAP is, which must be driven with GAMEPLAY, TECH, & BLACK HEART! Spare me LINGO CRAP 4 DIP-SHIT!! >=P
IronJackalTw 5 days ago
I had been VIDEO GAMING 4 ever! It is one of my HOBBY, & I as GAMER will accurately define it without any BS Euphemisms! Video Game is a GAMING Medium! It is a sub set of SOFTWARE with 1 & 0 where computers can read them in machine code! This COMPUTER SOFTWARE contain GAMEPLAY, which allowed USER INPUTS & INTERACTIONS with DISPLAY on SCREEN! With this GAMEPLAY, it had GAME PHYSICS ENGINE, TEXTURE (polygon or spirit) FILES, AUDIO FILES, UI, AI, & ETC that made up this GAMING MEDIUM!! >=)
IronJackalTw 5 days ago
SEARCH & READ "Weekly Rant: Advertisements in Video Games - Cheat Code Central"
Josh Engen said, "narcissistic loudmouth who thinks that you deserve to live in a world where no one tries to sell you a product, you might want to ask your doctor for a psych referral."
George Carlin talks about advertising....
watch?v=RW2JInyMoPc
SEARCH & READ "Advertising in Violent Video Games Results in Poor Recall"
We already paid $60 per GAME! U can't even deliver GAMEPLAY we want, CLUE-LESS IDIOTS!! >=(
IronJackalTw 4 days ago
Video Games R ART not GAME crowd is FULL OF SHIT in denial!! =/
George Carlin on Mass-Media (sorry 4 repetition, but middle part is great)....
watch?v=AtK_YsVInw8
SERACH & READ "'The world has changed': Team Ninja's Hayashi on more realistic, respectful games"
SEARCH & READ "Peter Molyneux"
Andreas Ronning is correct! Tomonobu Itagaki served his EVIL MASTERS well! TORUS.... lol? Bring on Grade-A Prime-Cut FULL OF SHIT already....
watch?v=04Wf2-gqQdU
We lived in a SICK SICK WORLD!! >=P
IronJackalTw 3 days ago
R U sure that U want FPS GAMERS start shooting REAL FIREARMS at those started BS WARS?....
watch?v=xyUX6wV1lBQ
SEARCH & READ "Army Reports Record Suicide Numbers | Military"
SEARCH & READ "Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II"
Pat Tillman could be someone I know in High School on our FOOTBALL TEAM....
watch?v=ecTUO3IKebY
Bush Knocked down Twin Towers (911) - Immortal Technique....
watch?v=6bdr_2IAJWU
Crawl back to your GAY Jews HOLLYWOOD & off FPS GAMES!! >=(
IronJackalTw 3 days ago
ARTsy-FARTsy SUX! U don't have ball to WRITE your STORY SHIT in your NOVEL INDUSTRY, to CINEMA your NARRATIVE SHIT in your FILM INDUSTRY, to PAINT your ARTsy SHIT in your ART MUSEUM, & to MORALITY your TED HAGGARD SHIT in your CHURCH! That's WHY U R wasting time in VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY....
watch?v=zNiiHVYnQ6A
SEARCH & READ "GDC 2012 details Game IT Summit talks featuring McGonigal"
Luis Blondet, U R ARTsy-FARTsy DOORMAT! U should have played our FPS & GTA to beat HOOKER & take her $!! >=P
IronJackalTw 3 days ago
SEARCH & READ "Jane McGonigal: Gaming can make a better world" on her VIDEO
Luis Blondet, U R so GULLIBLE! I want U to picture HER SPEECH to our FPS & GTA to beat HOOKER & take her $ GAMERS instead of your Goody-Two-Shoe ARTsy-FARTsy GAMERS! We would be BOOing her off-stage!! >=)
ONLY PEOPLE that can solved our world's most serious problems R those in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, & Math) FIELDS....
watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM
KIND of PEOPLE that USA hated these days!! {roll my eyes}
IronJackalTw 2 days ago
STOP making our VIDEO GAMES so short & ARTsy!! =/
SEARCH & READ "The "dumbing down" of video games - MMO-Champion"
SEARCH & READ "Creepy Jesus, With You Always"
SEARCH & READ "I Come To Praise First-Person Shooters, Not To Bury Them"
Mike Langlois, FPS GAMERS don't need your approval! Ted Haggard like your LGBT weirdo R irritating! Go play THE SIMS, or join USA MILITARY because Bush 2.0 make it possible 4 U now!! >=P
Gamasutra write so much false ASSumptions & little USEFUL INFO!! >=(
IronJackalTw 1 day ago
VIDEO GAMES R GAME & always will be! Only those STRONG in STEM (Science, Tech, Engineering, & Math) FIELDS can make these!! >=)
Overgrowth: HD Teaser trailer....
watch?v=NVx39i4DzKA
Crysis Physics Extreme Explosions....
watch?v=5ULei3VxVe8
Sadly, we R held back by ARTsy-FARTsy....
watch?v=RolbMDrDF60
Gamasutra needs to filter out at least half of their content, which R GIBBERISH & FLUFF! That's 4 a site on VIDEO GAMING MAKING that rarely talked about VIDEO GAME MAKING!! {roll my eyes}
IronJackalTw 1 day ago
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Video Games R not ART! They R just GAMES! VIDEO GAMES may contain ART just like SOCCER BALL may contain ART on that BALL! That SOCCER BALL is still driven by GAMEPLAY not your ARTsy-FARTsy STORY BS!! {roll my eyes}
Stop using WORD-SMITH to twist our VIDEO GAMES into your ARTsy-FARTsy BS!! >=(
IronJackalTw 1 week ago
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Our SOCIETY manipulated by RACIST POLITICIANS, RACIST MASS MEDIA, & RACIST CHURCHES like to SLANDER our VIDEO GAMERS as VIOLENT PEOPLE daily, but I'm going tell people this TRUTH! It sounds PARADOX, but it is TRUTH!! =/
SEARCH & READ "ADOLF HITLER's PAINTINGS"
SEARCH & READ "ART by John Wayne Gacy"
Our MASS MURDERERS, SERIAL KILLERS, & just AWFUL LOW-LIFE R really these ARTsy-FARTsy TYPE! Look at them! They can't wait to MOLEST our CHILD HOOD MEMORIES on even our VIDEO GAMING!! >=(
IronJackalTw 1 week ago
Our GREEDY CROOKS, FLAG-WAVING LIARS, PRO-RELIGIOUS BIGOTS, MASS MURDERERS, SERIAL KILLERS, & just AWFUL LOW-LIFE R obsessed in ART....
watch?v=cnO8zKH5s_k
VIDEO GAMES R not REAL! They R 4 FUN, yet we have these LIARS pretend that they R REAL to SCAPEGOAT our GAMERS & distract OTHERS from knowing what a SHIT that they really R....
watch?v=sDkhzHQO7jY
They hated our GAMES in GAMEPLAY....
watch?v=mmMv0ceWTVQ
They won't be happy until everything is ARTsy-FARTsy like they R!! >=(
IronJackalTw 1 week ago
LIFE is a PARADOX!! {roll my eyes}
Hayao Miyazaki is POLITICAL SCIENCE major not ART major....
watch?v=qD58ZTVm7Qs
Shōji Kawamori is AERONAUTICAL ENGINEERING major not ART major either! Most Aerospace/Mechanical Engineers can DRAW way better than ARTsy-FARTsy like Jackson Pollock anyhow....
watch?v=wckZcVFLU24
Alfred Hitchcock & Stanley Kubrick never won an OSCAR, so neither did Akira Kurosawa....
watch?v=lwOswxbTFd8
ART is PRETENTIOUS & favorite word of ARTsy-FARTsy!! >=P
IronJackalTw 1 week ago
If HOLLYWOOD, which is control by Zion-CHRISTIAN-Gay-As-Hell-JEWS, can not even give an OSCAR toward their BEST FILM DIRECTORS such as Alfred Hitchcock, Akira Kurosawa, & more in their own FILM INDUSTRY, do U think these IDIOTS can tell another INDUSTRY how to run its own affairs!! =/
SEARCH & READ "The Evolution Of The First-Person Shooter, In One Shot"
FPS GAMEPLAY should be like this BENCHMARK (N64)....
watch?v=NRdXiUwQjiQ
VIDEO GAMES should NOT be like FILM INDUSTRY!! >=(
IronJackalTw 1 week ago
SEARCH & READ "Everything you need to know about the video game industry" from ubergeeek
SEARCH & READ "Get The Hell Off My Lawn: Why Bioshock Has Ruined FPS Genre For Me"
Stop WORD-SMITH BS, Jerry FAG! BIOSHOCK is CRAP from Zion-JEW Ken Levine (A System Shock WANNABE)! Doug Church is that LEGEND behind our GREAT GAMEPLAY! Give CREDIT where it is due!! {roll my eyes}
Bruce Lee....
watch?v=-DDGMSDfh_w
Dance of DEATH - Iron Maiden....
watch?v=lSHSUOZHXFc
DEATH TAROT & live in TRUTH!! >=)
IronJackalTw 1 week ago
Oh, I got CENSORED by AlphaOmegaSin 4 telling him that he is one of those REVIEW CRITICS like FAT-ARSE Roger Ebert, too, not our FPS GAMERS that have to pay with our HARD-EARNED MONEY as one of our HOBBY....
watch?v=FiY2th0VEwI
Do U noticed that MASS-MEDIA always PORTRAIT our GAMERS as either some DORKY-FAT-ARSE (FUGLY) NERDS or those POT-SMOKING (can't hold a real job) HIPSTERS? If Tim Schafer's STORY BS always FLOP & John Madden series SPORT GAMES would SOLD well, what do that tells U!? =/
IronJackalTw 1 week ago
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IronJackalTw 1 week ago
Here R our REAL VIDEO GAMERS:
SEARCH & READ "Billy Mitchell" of Donkey Kong CHAMP
SEARCH & READ "Steve Wiebe" of Donkey Kong CHAMP
SEARCH & READ "Hank Chien" of Donkey Kong CHAMP
More of our FPS GAMERS....
watch?v=FkQ0Vu2CF6Y
Stop BS STEREOTYPING of our VIDEO GAMERS!! >=(
IronJackalTw 1 week ago
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IronJackalTw 1 week ago
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Here R our REAL GAMING DEVELOPERS:
SEARCH & READ "Cevat Yerli" of Crysis (SOFTWARE)
SEARCH & READ "Shinji Mikami" of Resident Evil (SOFTWARE)
SEARCH & READ "Min-Liang Tan" of Razer (HARDWARE)
Our VIDEO GAME DEVELOPERS R way COOLER than those COUCH POTATOES Roger Ebert & their ARTsy-FARTsy CRONIES from FILM INDUSTRY! Keep your FAT-ARSE ARTsy-FARTsy & COUCH POTATOES making FILMS out of our Lean & Mean FPS VIDEO GAMES.... haha!! >=P
IronJackalTw 1 week ago
SEARCH & READ "Shadows On The Screen: The Safety of Maintaining Taboo and the Importance of Social Deviance"
This is another attempt by ARTsy-EMO-Adolf Hitler to SCAPEGOAT our GAMERS! How many SOLDIERS would BUNNY HOP 4 SPEED GAIN in REAL WORLD? Do we run faster in REAL WORLD because we hold a KNIFE in hand vs holding a SNIPER RIFLE like in CS 1.6!? =/
George Carlin - Euphemistic Language....
watch?v=CNk_kzQCclo
Come on, we have a FROG that can't swim in FROGGER!? {roll my eyes}
IronJackalTw 6 days ago
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Are video game art? No. Games suffers from something a like to call "gameplay syndrome" - when gameplay is put before story, characterization or themes. Even worst - sometimes stories in games are just excuse for gameplay. And this is purpose of gaming to entertain you, and that's why games never will be an art. They are like summer blockbusters or trashy novels, their purpose is to entertain. And I don't know why gamers get all butt hurt when you said the say the true?
1701EarlGrey 2 weeks ago
Ever heard of LIMBO? That is a perfect example of art in games.
TheYtml 3 weeks ago
Check out my renditions of Mass Effect, Dreamfall, & Myst!
titanicpiano14 3 weeks ago
Dear Esther, if that's not art I don't know what is
eateroftheflame 3 weeks ago
@imcaspa1995 please give me a logical, well structured, three-point argument as to why games cannot be art. I want to hear your side. Once I hear a good enough, mature argument, i'll try to convince you that you are wrong.
Vashtanerada477 3 weeks ago
for every last supper there are a million doodles. for every Indiana Johns there are a thousand troll2s. for every peace of Mozart there are a thousand sing alongs. so why do people always pull up stuff like "mortal combat" or "GTA3" when arguing over this topic. for every great peace of cinema there are a thousand "Friday the 13th part6". and why when ever i bring up "shadow of the colossus" or any other game they say that they never play video games.
unholysanta 1 month ago
persona 3. Ill be happy to argue with ANYONE :)
ttamecco 1 month ago
what do u think about the game DeadSpace?
gorissago 1 month ago
zeldaaa
MrGC9 1 month ago
@lukeprog oh god, video games can never be art, never never never, and just because somebody makes a game that takes a slightly different approach like shadow of the colossus or okami, that does not make them works of art
imcaspa1995 1 month ago
MInecraft is the most artistic game I have ever played. It's atmosphere, depth, and music makes it the most relaxing games to play. Aside from the monsters killing you.
Frozenflutter 2 months ago 2
i think we need to stop calling them video games
Hiimurmomma760 2 months ago
So glad I stumbled upon this... great video, you make some great points, and in the past I've made several others as well. I wrote a long, detailed response when I read an article in PC Gamer that said video games are not, and cannot be, art. I'll have to dig it up now, but I'm so glad there's a lot of people out there who realize the truth, that there is a great amount of artistic beauty in many games these days.
AlgernonFTW 3 months ago
jamesfish05 3 months ago
@jamesfish05 Literature=video games. Easily, just play a single video game from this gen, it has more voice acting and more dailouge then 50 motion movies combined. Any moron can see this and you my good sir are dumber than a moron.
jayofthe400 3 months ago
@jayofthe400 You deserve to go to hell for even using the word "sir". Why the fuck does everyone use that fucking word on the internet? It doesn't make then any more cool or edgy. It just makes them seem like massive tits. [Reply inevitable]
jamesfish05 3 months ago
@jamesfish05 If you don't know why I used it for the fact that it was sarcastic. also, only attacking me for using the word 'sir' ??? are you high or something? Or just that damn stupid my good 'sir' :)
jayofthe400 3 months ago
@jayofthe400 And he replied. How did I guess.
jamesfish05 3 months ago
@jamesfish05 Because I lambast trolls like you on a 100% basis.
jayofthe400 3 months ago
@jayofthe400 The only person you are trolling is yourself. You are so made its that easy to own you.
jamesfish05 3 months ago
@jamesfish05 To which you replied with trollish intent. Lets be honest here, movies are a failure of a artistic medium, Video games these days ARE basically books with the amount of depth you can find in them. The sheer fact that there are people like me who believe this prove you WRONG in all accounts. Video games are easily high art, you however, are nothing but a troll that knows nothing of the meaning of the word art. Also, you suck HORRIBLY at trolling. Please go to school and learn for onc
jayofthe400 3 months ago
@jayofthe400 Too long did not read. You are just so buttmad I can feel it through the computer.
Owned at trolling.
Owned at internet.
Owned at life.
Butt Doctor verdict: Buttfurious
jamesfish05 3 months ago
@jamesfish05 Is this all you do you trollish piece of shit? Do you just lurk into videos like this and just try to set people off because your mother never loved you? I mean, Jesus dude. you are NOTHING in life and will be nothing in death, no one will miss you, and NO ONE will care that you are dead.
Also, my own shit is smarter than you! Literally, it can actually do addition right in front of me, far better math then you are probably capable of kiddo.
jayofthe400 3 months ago
@jayofthe400 Too long did not read but I can just tell you are extremely mad.
Your Butt status:
BUTTFRUSTRATED [ ]
BUTTMUTILATED [ ]
BUTTFURIOUS [ ]
BUTTOWNED[x]
jamesfish05 3 months ago
@jamesfish05 And yet I am the one that is still smarter than you... did you buttfuck your mother in the womb in order to breed such stupidity?
jayofthe400 2 months ago
@jayofthe400 Oh my god this faggot is still replying. What a pathetic loser.
jamesfish05 2 months ago
@jamesfish05 Coming from a troll. Everyone, plus up my post if you believe this man to be a huge fucking troll that is inbred and possibly below the age of 13.
jayofthe400 2 months ago
@jayofthe400 So now I've gotten so mad you just started blurting out random insults. Lol.
jamesfish05 2 months ago
It's hilarious to see and hear people debate about this. Diving into deep waters without walking trough shallow ones.
Failing to see how subjective language and communication can be.
It is not even a matter of knowledge ,but perception.
PsychoticEarwig 3 months ago
I'm a huge video game fan, but I have to say that video games as a whole can never be art.
Games can be artistic, and they usually contain art, but the act of gaming (i.e. Giving input and receiving output) is not art.
The visuals of SotC are art, the music of SotC is art, the story of SotC is art. However, SotC itself is not a piece of art. It is a collection of artworks that make up an interactive media piece.
Keep in mind: "Art" does not mean "good," and "not art" does not mean "bad."
peeeesh 3 months ago
great example of video games being art : ANY VIDEO GAME.
syrindigo26 3 months ago
Cars are an art form. People who deny cars are art just haven't heard of artistic cars and have never driven them.
In fact cars the superior art because they are an interactive medium.
FreeVonHelton 4 months ago
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FreeVonHelton,
"Cars are an art form. People who deny cars are art just haven't heard of artistic cars and have never driven them.
In fact cars the superior art because they are an interactive medium."
U R being SARCASTIC.... right? CARS are MACHINE & TECHNOLOGY!! >=)
IronJackalTw 3 months ago
If you've ever played a game campaign which emotionally moved you, that is undeniably art. Seriously, it's like a story you unfold yourself, a story you developed through your own decisions. I've seen splotches on a canvas called art, so it's obvious that video games are artforms as well. There are deliberate forms of symbolism employed in all types of games, not to mention when a game is coupled with a compelling soundtrack, it's a beautiful thing.
ChicagoFan32 4 months ago
Shadow of the Colossus, ImmorTall, The Path, Flower, Journey...
luaudesigndf 5 months ago
@luaudesigndf Nope!
OldSchopenhauer 4 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer Why not? ^^
luaudesigndf 4 months ago
@luaudesigndf Because a video game by definition is a game. I'll concede that a video game can contain art in the same manner a chess board or deck of cards can, but that does not make the game itself an art form .
OldSchopenhauer 4 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer a painting is by definition a painting. I'll concede that a painting can contain art in the same manner a chess board or deck of cards can, but that doesn't make painting itself an art form.
KurosenvsGrither 4 months ago
@KurosenvsGrither Except a painting is not a game, it is an art form. It's amazing you could even think that's a good rebuttal.
Honestly, you'd have to be very stunted to think killing giant monsters is an art form.
OldSchopenhauer 4 months ago
If a cross in a can of piss can be art, so can video games
Volf99 5 months ago
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Volf99,
"If a cross in a can of piss can be art, so can video games"
Isn't that WHY most of our "REAL" GAMERS don't want our VIDEO GAMES to be ART like? Not all of us wants our VIDEO GAMES to be like your ARTIST, Jackson Pollock, with 3rd Rated CREATIVITY! Our VIDEO GAMES will always be about 1st Rated GAMEPLAY not your Jackson Pollock BULL SHIT!! {roll my eyes}
IronJackalTw 3 months ago
Video games are potentially a much bigger art form than movies, you cannot even begin to compare both. Videogames will evolve to eventually become the game of life itself. Total immersion, you'll never know the difference from real life. Think holodeck from star-trek. Movies will become a much lower form of art compared to future videogames (the name will change they won't be called videogames anymore, but essencially are)
ntt688 5 months ago
Videogames are not art and can never be art. They are an interactive medium and as such have more in common with sports. Sport can provoke emotions and provide experiences, but sport is not art. Can we please move along from this and respect videogames as something better than art rather than circling this drain of concept abuse and word manipulation? This makes us all look very bad!
darkfox85 5 months ago
@darkfox85 so then how do you categorize choose your own story books?
Volf99 5 months ago
@Volf99 choose your own story books have less interaction than casual games.
darkfox85 5 months ago
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darkfox85,
"Can we please move along from this and respect videogames as something better than art rather than circling this drain of concept abuse and word manipulation? This makes us all look very bad!"
VIDEO GAMES R ART people have INFLATED EGO & have NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER! They can't stand REALITY of that VIDEO GAMES R actually GAMES.... duh!! =/
IronJackalTw 3 months ago
please remake this video in higher quailty, i think it would really help.
mackenzie2211 5 months ago
A lot of my friends say "theyre just video games!"
but i've played some really beautiful games. like Syberia I&II. video games really are art.
PaulinaH727 5 months ago
Roger Ebert's never played Grand Theft Auto IV.
4583945 6 months ago
I agree that games are art but not all the games, actually there is really few games I can consider them arts, a few examples are Bioshock 1 and 2 because of their story line, Okami has deep artistic graphics, Red Dead Redemption is also art because it makes a the wild west come to life for us that didnt live by that time, but the best games that resemble what art is Shadow of the colossus this games is absolutly amazing...
mjvg1 6 months ago
The Legend of Zelda is a solid piece of art.
victoneter 7 months ago
Assassins creed 1 2 and 3
ghrayche3 7 months ago
Metal gear solid is the definetion of art.
delta2ish 7 months ago
Bioshock infinite is about to REALLY support this.
mjgamerboy 7 months ago
Mass Effect
Shadow of the Colossus
Uncharted 2
BioShock 1 and 2
Half-Life 2
and the list goes on. Grow up Mr. Ebert.
checkeredflag90210 8 months ago
great game to end the video with.
DeadEndFrog 8 months ago
I am really not a gamer. I seldom play video games, but I think that video games are and always where art. If you go by the standard definition of art: product or process that passes a message full of emotion, thoughts or mood to an audience, then video games are art. The interactivity in them makes them even more artsy because the audience (player) is more connected to the game.
PkrBarMovie 8 months ago
Braid by Jonathan Blow
MsBickle76 8 months ago
"video games are art"
who gives a fuck?
get that shit out of my face man
games are meant for playing not ranting about arts and bullshit
xin0 8 months ago
Seriously just play Okami, ICO, Shadows of the Colossus, any zelda game (especially twilight princess), and Flower.
After those games you'll for sure see the art in games
kbjami 8 months ago 5
@kbjami I'd have to say especially Windwaker.
WiimonkeyN 8 months ago
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Video Games R GAME kind of like CHESS ever since PONG! Our Video Games is not a RELIGIOUS (ART) DOGMA!! >=)
IronJackalTw 9 months ago
Too bad a lot of the examples provided in the comments are pretty bad. I expected better examples like Braid, SotC, Ico, and Flower
Ajapam34 9 months ago
whats the game at 1:09 with the balls
Timic83tgwtg 9 months ago
@victoryweed Maybe if you knew the movies I mentioned you would know. Comparing Chaplin to Mario is, like I said, insulting to any movie buff out there, no pun intended.
HalfLifeHalfDead 9 months ago
I've noticed that many critics lack proper knowledge of art. Even the person who made this video. Video games have been art all along, just as art has always been, it is about the experience. Do people not experience emotion when listening to bach just as they do playing a game? is there not a story? Art is about interpretation and emotion, imagination. They are not simply evolving, they are here.
biscutsforbreakfast 9 months ago
Play Mafia 2, Red Dead Redemption and Flower. Then you will see why games can be art.
MrQueenie 9 months ago
Only new games are to be considered art due to better graphics? I'm sorry but I think that's rather unfair. Classic games used IMAGINATION to sell due to technological limitations.
OmnomTheDevourer 9 months ago
@victoryweed Super Mario might be the A Trip to the Moon or The Great Train Robbery, but comparing it to Chaplin is, I don't know how to put it, insulting?
HalfLifeHalfDead 9 months ago
@HalfLifeHalfDead um..i dont think its insulting,i think its idiotic,the two are not even in the same dimension of art...music,and videogame,might aswell compare Bruce Willis to beethoven,the two cant be compared
but nonetheless,games are art,music,the stories,the sculpting of characters,the terrain,the emotions they invoke,you cant ignore those facts:/
Janovjev 9 months ago
@Janovjev I can and I do. Just because games have music and level design doesn't make them art just like Lady Gaga's work isn't. It takes a bit more to be art and quite frankly most DEVELOPERS refuse to call their work "art" for a reason. Until the front-runner of the industry is a war game that doesn't acknowledge war for the dreadful thing it is (like Apocalypse Now´or Full Metal Jacket) and almost all games are centered around the idea to be FUN, not Art you can't call games art.
HalfLifeHalfDead 9 months ago
@HalfLifeHalfDead Games like Silent Hill, Heavy Rain Shadow, Final Fantasy VI are art. No there isn't a war game that reveals the true horrors of war, and there probably never will be. But declaring saying soemthign can't be an art is ignorant/
Badfish93 8 months ago
@Badfish93 I didn't say it can't be art. I said it isn't right now and your examples reinforced my opinion. Silent Hill?! Honestly, a great horror game, but art?! Heavy Rain is a step in the right direction, even if it is at times inconsistent. Final Fantasy 6 I won't even comment on, what exactly makes it art?
HalfLifeHalfDead 8 months ago
@Badfish93 Games will become art in all probability and there are some games that are right besides the mark (Ico, Fahrenheit and smaller games like Braid), but even the devs themselves say what they do isn't art. The R* guys for instant said around the time of GTA 4 that games still haven't produced their Godfather or Citizen Kane, to which I totally agree. They still haven't. But the probably will.
HalfLifeHalfDead 8 months ago
@HalfLifeHalfDead Ture, you do have a point, but if everything tha tis put into a game art( Concept Art, music, storytelling) how come it is put into one it isn't art, it makes no sense
Badfish93 8 months ago
one great example of video games being art would be Mother 3, in my opinion
FrenzySliver 10 months ago 5
@FrenzySliver What about visual novels/ puzzle games, such as the Professor Layton series or more relevantly 999: 9 Hours 9 Persons 9 Doors. 999 has perhaps the most gripping story I have ever experienced in gaming.
DunkeyKonga 2 months ago
There are a couple story-based games no one has mentioned yet that are really great examples of how video games are art (such as Ghost Trick and the Phoenix Wright series, if anyone has heard of them).
27Ganon 10 months ago
@27Ganon Sure, they are fun, but I fail to see what makes them art.
HalfLifeHalfDead 9 months ago
I just want someone to answer this question, why does it matter? Can't us gamers just say it's something we like? I agree that they are art but I still don't get why it matters.
razorath92 11 months ago
Art is the product of human creativity so everything is basically art although you may have varying opinions as to whether you enjoy the art or not
iAMsoBEAST1 11 months ago
another example of video game art is the game Minecraft. for those of you taht don't know, it is a sandbox game that involves the crafting of tools, and the usage of those tools to acquire resource blocks which you can then lay down. the game has nearly unlimited potential, and the procedurally generated worlds are infinite, and random. the worlds in their natural state can often be breathtaking, and the constructions people make are simply magnificent. if that is not art, i don't know what is.
EpicZantetsuken 11 months ago
MGS4>Leonardo Da Vinci
PSspecialist 11 months ago
@PSspecialist Either this is a joke or you are an idiot. I'm going for the first :)
HalfLifeHalfDead 9 months ago
@HalfLifeHalfDead NO SHIT! of course it's the first LOL. But I do believe that video games are art.
PSspecialist 9 months ago
Every art form takes time to be accepted. The time of video games will come.
Also, I find it highly stupid when somebody picks on one aspect of one game - say, CoD multiplayer - and then uses this as a reason for why every video game is not art. Bioshock, Red Dead, Combat Evolved... visually, Crysis and some areas of Killzone... there is art in video games if you know where to look.
AnnoyingingeXD 11 months ago
i find the many excuses used against videogames to be lacking. some say that bechose you can win (i use that word loosly) or that art can only be experienced not played whitch makes me think. so art is not art to artist? or console games are not art but arcade games are? videogames are art, get over it. i wonder, if they are ever played limbo. its awsome game about a kid searching a way to home.
gooddarkjedi 1 year ago
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theloyalfury 1 year ago
lol i'm a videogamer but i think that videogames are not art ; ) believe me
djsimo149 1 year ago
Damn good argument and great presentation to boot.
totaljking12 1 year ago
if i create a big detailed statue in a map creator is that not art?
jaybeonline123 1 year ago
Bioshock. Fallout. Portal. The Elder Scrolls. Half Life. These are just a few examples of games that make us, as a player, question philosophy, free will, good and evil, and transport us to worlds beyond our imagining. If that isn't art, what is?
ToxicTeapot 1 year ago
The participation in games means they will never be regarded as art. The examples he gave still leave room the artist to make changes - or another artist, Not the consumer. When you start to make changes to Bach you have stepped out of the realm of the fan and joined on the side of the musician.
theloyalfury 1 year ago
@theloyalfury Movies you have to view, books you have to read and videogames you have to play. it is just the same as other mediums. just because it is new and has extremely new forms of telling stories does not mean it isn't art, hell, the oppisite really. the interaction is something that books and movies have tried to do before with little succues, but videogames have succeeded where the movie and book industry failed. anyone who even says videogames aren't art really aren't thinking right.
jayofthe400 1 year ago
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@jayofthe400 But you do not change the final outcome of the story regardless of whether you as a individual partake in it or not - Videogames change based on that participation. Thus ruining their ability to be regarded as "art" - you the participant has the final say on things - not the creator.
theloyalfury 1 year ago
Look at the Bioshock Infinite gameplay demo. If that's not art, nothing is.
jimmyboyG485 1 year ago
A great example of a game being art is 'The Company of Myself'. It's a flash game with simple controls and basic graphics but uses text and music to create a very moving exprience.
I mean, what are games trying to do, if they're not trying to create a human exprience in which the gamer/audience can relate to? Interactive enviroments do not restrict games as an art form, quite the opposite actually.
iLordNoob 1 year ago
The video game definitely is an artform, Even PacMan can be considered Classic PopArt or something like that!
Shockeye00 1 year ago
I am so glad that Okami was put into this video. It has both great art and music, along with a nice story line. :)
TimeWolfKuramaFan 1 year ago
I'm very torn on this subject.
On the one hand, there are several games that I feel top some of the best movies in different genres... I'd venture to say that the best video games are of equal artistic weight with anything done by George Lucas or Stephen Spielberg.
But, having said that... I've never met a game that changed who I am. Movies like Lawrence of Arabia, Amadeus, or even Koyaanisqatsi.
In fact, I can't even imagine what a game would do to have a similar impact.
Is Ebert right?
FiverBeyond 1 year ago
@FiverBeyond it doesnt have to change you, it must affect you in some way. but it can't if you automatically close your self off. shadow of the colossus is a perfect example , playing that felt like enjoying an opera and im not just talking about the music. the act of taking down all of the collosus ,in an attempt to bring a loved one back only to become a colosus your self (and you cant just watch it , you must interact with it . in the end i learned something from shadow of the collosus
barqueWorks 1 year ago
the successful use of interactivity is very important and not always easy to pull off - games involve the same elements as film with the addition interactivity. The way that a game can immerse someone, make them part of the experience, makes it more of an art form than not.
KoopaKrazy85 1 year ago
If you honestly don't think Video Games are art, then go play BioShock
Mazz1420 1 year ago
@Mazz1420
That's a poor choice of game since it tries to hard to be high brow, the system shock games would be a better choice. Less is more.
UltraPic 1 year ago
@Mazz1420
Hate to say it, but I agree with antisocialfatman's review when he says that Bioshock's "artsiness" is mostly superficial. It pretends to have serious themes... but actually doesn't. It pretends to be a social commentary... but it really isn't. If Bioshock is our flagship for videogames as art, then Roger Ebert might just be right.
FiverBeyond 1 year ago
@FiverBeyond you can't say that something is not art , doing so will only prove that you don't understand what art is. art is not fixed , there is no list no book saying what is and what isn’t. if something is art it just is , but not because the viewer says it is, but rather because the one who created it says it is. if you put your "heart" into creating something, that can be effect people, (even if that’s just causing a smile or a smug hateful reaction ) then it is art.
barqueWorks 1 year ago
@barqueWorks
If you can't say that something is not art, then you also can't say that something is art.
I couldn't agree more that the definition of art is highly subjective, but having said that, it's the job of critics, reviewers, and artists themselves to 'try out' different definitions and see how different works measure up. I could easily define art in such a way that video games are art: my point is that I could also easily define it such that they aren't, and this troubles me.
FiverBeyond 1 year ago
Video games are art, but they're not "just becoming art", they've been art since their inception,
Supertrekkie4 1 year ago
Video games are not art, they are games. They are beautiful, and more beautiful to me than most art, and they utilize art in the same way art was utilized in monopoly, but would you call monopoly art? No. It's a game. But the reason why games are good is because they involve you in such a way that no art could ever do it. I prefer to play a good GAME base that utilizes good art than an art game.
RawwestHide 1 year ago
some people may say: Its a waste of time and money, and it can be dangerous from phsychological sides...But, i say, everything has bad sides... Take an example the car....Its fast its useful but yet dangerous... And yes videogames are art... Its purpose is to entairtain.
JONIMASAKIS 1 year ago
Super Mario Bro's will be considered Video games Citizen Kane in 50 years. Super Mario Bro's is still light-gears above most video games in gameplay which is basically what cinematography is to film. And despite Metal Gear being filled with cutscenes its currently video games best story which rivals any great literature and film of the past. I'd consider Metal Gear as today's Great Gatsby.
pmilleroly27 1 year ago
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what about heavy rain
sonicshooter15 1 year ago
For Story: Shenmue
For Style: Jet Set Radio
For Comedy: No More Heroes
For Action: All shooting and fighting games
Proof that gaming is an art form.
carnagex64 1 year ago
another way video games are art is the way the scenery looks the character designs you don't even need to see game play or play the game to see these elements. you can look at a screen shot of a game. for example Mario games have a unique art style and it's not because of graphics limitations of Nintendo consoles that makes Mario games look like the way they look. it is because Nintendo wants to make Mario games stand out from the rest.
goford90 1 year ago
Yes, MAKING of video games is an art. PLAYING of video games isn't. Making your own art form is a lot more fun than running through a digital maze that someone has designed for you. Sounds a lot like a little mouse.
kiefhouse 1 year ago
Good arguement. Imagine what games will be like in 50 years: graphics can only be taken so far so well have to innovate in other ways
tub99899 1 year ago
I consider some of Roger Erbet's arguments seriusly poor for a "international renowed film critic".
The authorial control argument not considers the participation of the receptor (the player) who has been demostrated to be more active than was suposed to be -in theatre, for example-
But, wich I consider really absurd is to spect of an art born in the 70's to reach the level of Dante or Tarkovsky. In fact, in my opinion, film recently was properly "mature" in the 60's.
aeropajita 1 year ago
It takes years to make a game! it takes time and effort and thought and hard work and it is there to express an idea and to bring enjoyment into people! Video games are art! Games are becomeing so real an can make someone think so much more about something and make you feel what the creators wanted you to feel all the emotions! how can anyone dare argue and say video games are not art!
ScootAmazing 1 year ago 4
Video games already meet most definitions of art. I look forwards to watching the transition to high art.
formless777 1 year ago
2:36 what game is it after prince of persia? I had this game but I don't remember it's name. can anyone help?
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
Are you the guy who does the 'Conversations from the Pale Blue Dot' podcast? Your voice sounds very familiar. Anyway, I totally agree with you here. I find it downright ridiculous that people can make the claim that video games can 'never' be art.
invanorm 1 year ago
I think its just that the older generations think that video games are childish and for that reason can't have any meaningful content. Why this view? I know plenty of people in their 30's who enjoy playing them - not only for the gameplay but for the engaging storylines and artistic direction. Its not just for kids. As the medium matures this will become much more apparent.
invanorm 1 year ago
now think, was music or poetry art in stone age?
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
Anything with entertainment value can become art, and when i look at videogames, i see something films can't come close to. Video Games ARE a work of art, one that you can experience with a tv,a console,and a controller. When we are gaming,we can be legendary heroes, soldiers on the front lines, generals of massive armies, or just a plucky little plumber. We already have great examples games with artistic merit,Heavy Rain,Bioshock,Flowers,Limbo among others.games are art, and micheal bay is not
TheAnonymousFilms 1 year ago
EA stands for Electronic Arts... Rest my case...
jslefo 1 year ago
if people experience games for themselves and think for themselves there are all sorts of games that could be considered art for sure. there are many aspects of different forms of art that combine to make a video game what it is in the first place. to say that an interactive movie or animation isn't art is the stupidest thing i've heard in a while.
meltheofcgamergirl 1 year ago
Another example of video game art is Red Dead Redemption. Sure, it's a shooter, and it's sandbox style is vastly altered by your decisions, but if you remove all that and just look at its environment and story, it's truly a story that rivals the most beautiful of films.
InnerSlash 1 year ago 29
@InnerSlash My opinion is that RDR is generic trash. Done so many times it's getting ridiculous. ICO on the other hand is a game I can call "art".
Charliem1994 1 year ago
@InnerSlash I'd have to disagree. It isn't much of an art.
WiimonkeyN 8 months ago
People say that video games are not art because most of them have never played any video games and the only thing they have heard about video games is that propaganda the media are trying to sell about how violent the games can make you.If people tried just to sit down and play a video game for a couple of hours they could understand why video games are deserved to be called a form of art.
DonELJ 1 year ago 34
@DonELJ ive gotten attached to video game characters :( like doms death in GoW3 games are an a art
bellyzbad 5 months ago
More and more they are becoming art but they've got a long way to go.
GTA has some beautiful writing but the overall experience is quite hollow.
Shenmue II's still the most beautiful game I've played.
DrunkenPoetic 1 year ago
Excellent! I've seen a ton of videos filled with gameplay clips set to heavy metal pieces in my time, trying desperately to show visually that games can be art. Never before have I seen such a solid example of proof that video games are an emerging art form.
Well done.
Sethietoes12 1 year ago
Ebert Has strange similarities to Darth Malak!!
VGs ARE art Deal with it
YoyoMammogram 1 year ago
i do agree that video games CAN be an art form and some of the games are truly are, but you all know why it's hard to take it seriously.
unlike movies, theater or music, games are created for commercial reasons only. VG costs a lot of money and it's public is mainly kids and gamers (which is after all a limited market), so the companies do everything to please the audience. and that's prevent them to turn it to a true art.
panterist 1 year ago
@panterist exactly.
nikosvault 1 year ago
Nice video. Ebert recently changed his POV.
Ubisoft has changed my thinking on the subject too.
danbennerdotcom 1 year ago
Good video.
wc10k 1 year ago
I read the article in Game Informer on this subject recently (in fact I'm using it as a speech topic for class), and I completely agree with the argument laid out in this video.
CrystalM90 1 year ago
God, it seems like every single "video games are art" supporters use Shadow of the Colossus as an example.
madcowyup 1 year ago
@madcowyup yeah, because they think it's a good example.
somerandomguy8510 1 year ago
I can't help but feel we'll lose something when video games become widely recognized as a viable artistic medium. Won't the lazy, unimaginative "artists" from the film and television industries migrate into our territory and pollute our markets with the same drivel that passe