First, I like well informed ppl with knowledge and I like your channel!
I'm a christian, just wanted to hear what are your thoughts on "time" we live in 2011.. since when did we started counting.. since Jesus died, n resurrected?.. then Jesus, must have existed.. :) peace!
@charliesEyeball7duh Dude, the count is arbitrary based on when some bishop in 400 CE thought Jesus was born (not when he thought he died). It could be years after Saint George killed the dragon, and it still wouldn't mean dragons ever existed.
Oh and while we're on the subject of time, you should really look up when King Herod died, and when Quirinius became governor of Syria.... Since H. was king and Q. was governor when Jesus was supposedly born, those numbers are quite interesting.
I just believe it's meant to cause as much out rage as possible. I mean they decided to put it there of all places, so it seems more likely then not it's a big troll more or less.
The main reason why I do not like the idea of it is because of the thing thunderf00t pointed out in his take of it. Reciprocation I believe was the word.
Nazi-bevægelsen i Tyskland startede også med at mange højreorienterede kristne følte sig skidt på (Versaille traktaten). Mange højreorienterede kristne føler sig helt på samme måde at de bliver skidt på af den intelektuelle elite. Og bliver fortalt at de bare skal holde kæft og følge loven og glemme deres irrationelle følelser.
Personligt tror jeg at denne moske vil blive udgangspunktet for et had til muslimer som man ikke har set i flere århundreder.
Great video. You said a lot of what I've been thinking. I can't stand Islam, but no matter how much I dislike Islam, that doesn't justify bigotry and denying people their rights.
Just because pat condell has an idiot following dosent mean he is hitler. Pat condell only stated what he felt. But all of the sudden that is the as fascism and wanting a holocaust.
Once people could debate in a rational way here on youtube. But coughlan666 destroyed all that when he made the debate into a kind of special olympics of insults. It was as though the atheist community was a special club for clever people, but someone let the junkie (coughlan) and he destroyed it all.
@lopsemopse "But all of the sudden that is the as fascism and wanting a holocaust."
Excuse me, I don't recall saying those words? Can you please point me to where I said that?
Pat is being a bigot and an idiot, and his naïve sheep (which thankfully isn't all of his subs, as evidenced by the votes on his latest video) are going along with it.
There really isn't any excuse for saying the things Pat have been saying except stupidity, and I don't consider him stupid.
@NeoDolph1n Honestly it's not surprising he's get so upset about it, he hates Islam quite a lot. So if anything I'd expect hi to react in such a manner even if it is unwarrented. So I do not really fault him too much for it.
I agree that this "controversy" is ridiculous not only on its merits but how it is completely made up whole cloth. I faintly remember a few years back how the planning of building this "mosque" community center was praised by the media as a bridge for people to understand Muslims.
The muslims can make their mosque at ground zero - that is their right. Just as it is pat condell´s right to state his disagreement with that placement and just as it is coughlan616´s right to make a video only consisting of insults against pat condell instead of making points.
The mosque-Muslims can make that mosque. 70 % of all americans are against it.... how in hell do these mosque-muslims think that this mosque will create understanding when they do not seem to give shit about those 70 %?
Not only that, but the Cordoba Initiative owns the property it's to be built on. It's not built on public property or with taxpayer money. So, what are these people wanting to do, other than deny the CI its basic property rights based solely on their religion? That's ANTI-First Amendment!
@shanedk just because someone has the legal right to do something, doesn't mean that others cannot protest and oppose it.
E.g.: the Westboro Baptist Church certainly has the right to do the shit they're doing, but that doesn't mean that other people must not oppose and criticize them.
People picketing against the WBC aren't violating the 1st Amendment (which protects the WBC). Same thing here.
Just because something is legal, doesn't mean that's a good idea, much less the best thing to do.
@shanedk UNLESS they are trying to stop it by making it illegal or by using illegal means, I don't see how it can be a violation of the 1st Amendment.
Many people (including me) are protesting and hoping that the big backslash will convince the proponents to change their plans. And I hope honest Muslims will avoid going there if and when it's built.
Of course NeoDolph1n may be right that the Cordoba Initiative may be trying to deliberately generate controversy between Muslims and non-Muslims.
@shanedk maybe you're misunderstanding me: I don't want to make legally impossible to build the "cultural center" near ground zero.
I want the proponents of the project to (possibly reluctantly) change their minds by having them face cons (the protests) if they continue with their current plan.
The First Amendment ONLY restricts the actions of the Congress, not mine. Nothing I could possibly do (short of demanding a law against this mosque) would even come *close* to violate the 1st Amendment.
@ChilapaOfTheAmazons But those protests rise up out of ignorance and bigotry, which is exactly what the Cordova Initiative is fighting. Not only will they not give in to them, they will actually make the CI's point for them.
The amount of hatred this mosque has been a catalyst of is really beyond what any people had thought. And the mosque hasnt even been constructed yet.
And that is why i think it is a fuckin terrible idea to build a mosque near ground zero, because it will only generate hatred of muslims and islam - it will never generate any kind of understanding and peace.
The muslims have the right to build it, but if they have any sense of reality they will move that mosque a couple of miles away.
My personal pet hypothesis is that those building the "mosque" WANT to generate this controversy. The more conflict there is surrounding Islam, and the more there is a polarisation between Islam and the rest of the world, the less likely it is that Muslims will deconvert, and the more likely it is that Muslims will become fundies.
Pat Condell and his cronies are, in other words, working for the bad guys, without realising it.
@shanedk I will be the first to admit, in this instance I have done very little research, because I honestly don't care about the building itself, only about the contrived "controversy" over it. For now, I'll take your word for it (because I'm a lazy git).
@NeoDolph1n When you get a chance, look into them. Also look at how the Muslim world was before the 12th Century, when cities such as Cordoba and Baghdad were the seats of science and learning in the world, and everyone, from Muslims to Christians to "doubters" (atheists) came to exchange ideas.
That's why they're called the Cordoba Initiative. That's what they want to go back to.
That wasn't what I said. Please, read the words you're quoting. I'm fully willing to admit that Pat Condell would never willingly go the terrorists' errand. But he's doing it none the less. Every time someone speaks out against this mosque, the wahabist terrorists gain a little more support, from the Muslims who feel persecuted because of this silliness.
I think it should be *legal* to build this "cultural center", but I still think that's a good thing to *peacefully* criticize and oppose its construction there and now until it's clear from where the huge funds come from or at least there's some sign that clearly shows that this cannot be interpreted by extremists as a monument to a terrorist victory.
The GLARING and CRUCIAL difference between me and Muslims that send death threats over drawings is that my protest is lawful and non-violent.
@ChilapaOfTheAmazons I acknowledge that difference. My question to you is WHY do you think it matters where the money comes from, or how extremists interpret it? We all know extremists will interpret everything to fit their skewed views anyway, so if we take that into account every time we consider an action, we'll never get anything done.
As i have pointed out from the beginning to my friends, it is indeed intended to cause controversy on the part of the originators of the plan. They, however, have the right to build a mosque anywhere they wish. The federal government and the state of NY have no say in the matter. Only the PZB (Planning and Zoning Board) and the Mayor of NYC have any say in the matter, and then only on legitimate grounds (health, safety of construction, etc..).
First, I like well informed ppl with knowledge and I like your channel!
I'm a christian, just wanted to hear what are your thoughts on "time" we live in 2011.. since when did we started counting.. since Jesus died, n resurrected?.. then Jesus, must have existed.. :) peace!
charliesEyeball7duh 8 months ago
@charliesEyeball7duh Dude, the count is arbitrary based on when some bishop in 400 CE thought Jesus was born (not when he thought he died). It could be years after Saint George killed the dragon, and it still wouldn't mean dragons ever existed.
Oh and while we're on the subject of time, you should really look up when King Herod died, and when Quirinius became governor of Syria.... Since H. was king and Q. was governor when Jesus was supposedly born, those numbers are quite interesting.
NeoDolph1n 7 months ago
I just believe it's meant to cause as much out rage as possible. I mean they decided to put it there of all places, so it seems more likely then not it's a big troll more or less.
The main reason why I do not like the idea of it is because of the thing thunderf00t pointed out in his take of it. Reciprocation I believe was the word.
JamesJimRaynor 1 year ago
Nazi-bevægelsen i Tyskland startede også med at mange højreorienterede kristne følte sig skidt på (Versaille traktaten). Mange højreorienterede kristne føler sig helt på samme måde at de bliver skidt på af den intelektuelle elite. Og bliver fortalt at de bare skal holde kæft og følge loven og glemme deres irrationelle følelser.
Personligt tror jeg at denne moske vil blive udgangspunktet for et had til muslimer som man ikke har set i flere århundreder.
Hvorfor ikke stoppe det før det begynder
JegHarEnLillePik 1 year ago
Great video. You said a lot of what I've been thinking. I can't stand Islam, but no matter how much I dislike Islam, that doesn't justify bigotry and denying people their rights.
Wes964 1 year ago
Just because pat condell has an idiot following dosent mean he is hitler. Pat condell only stated what he felt. But all of the sudden that is the as fascism and wanting a holocaust.
Once people could debate in a rational way here on youtube. But coughlan666 destroyed all that when he made the debate into a kind of special olympics of insults. It was as though the atheist community was a special club for clever people, but someone let the junkie (coughlan) and he destroyed it all.
lopsemopse 1 year ago
@lopsemopse "But all of the sudden that is the as fascism and wanting a holocaust."
Excuse me, I don't recall saying those words? Can you please point me to where I said that?
Pat is being a bigot and an idiot, and his naïve sheep (which thankfully isn't all of his subs, as evidenced by the votes on his latest video) are going along with it.
There really isn't any excuse for saying the things Pat have been saying except stupidity, and I don't consider him stupid.
NeoDolph1n 1 year ago
@NeoDolph1n Honestly it's not surprising he's get so upset about it, he hates Islam quite a lot. So if anything I'd expect hi to react in such a manner even if it is unwarrented. So I do not really fault him too much for it.
JamesJimRaynor 1 year ago
I agree that this "controversy" is ridiculous not only on its merits but how it is completely made up whole cloth. I faintly remember a few years back how the planning of building this "mosque" community center was praised by the media as a bridge for people to understand Muslims.
darkkodiak001 1 year ago
Fucking youtube, It stopps loading at 0:35 I'll have to try again later.
rafen8705 1 year ago
Wonderfully said.
jebus6kryst 1 year ago
The phrase "fanboy" is fucked.
NYCAustinNYC 1 year ago
The muslims can make their mosque at ground zero - that is their right. Just as it is pat condell´s right to state his disagreement with that placement and just as it is coughlan616´s right to make a video only consisting of insults against pat condell instead of making points.
The mosque-Muslims can make that mosque. 70 % of all americans are against it.... how in hell do these mosque-muslims think that this mosque will create understanding when they do not seem to give shit about those 70 %?
gd45bc4cb45fh 1 year ago
@gd45bc4cb45fh Because when those 70% find out how embarassingly wrong they were, they will have a new found understanding of muslims.
interstate317 1 year ago
Not only that, but the Cordoba Initiative owns the property it's to be built on. It's not built on public property or with taxpayer money. So, what are these people wanting to do, other than deny the CI its basic property rights based solely on their religion? That's ANTI-First Amendment!
shanedk 1 year ago
@shanedk
You should see Thunderf00t's video on it.
It was painful...
Even Vogter2100 called him out on it.
Surhotchaperchlorome 1 year ago
@shanedk just because someone has the legal right to do something, doesn't mean that others cannot protest and oppose it.
E.g.: the Westboro Baptist Church certainly has the right to do the shit they're doing, but that doesn't mean that other people must not oppose and criticize them.
People picketing against the WBC aren't violating the 1st Amendment (which protects the WBC). Same thing here.
Just because something is legal, doesn't mean that's a good idea, much less the best thing to do.
ChilapaOfTheAmazons 1 year ago
@ChilapaOfTheAmazons The ones who are calling for stopping the building of it are calling for a violation of the First Amendment.
shanedk 1 year ago
@shanedk UNLESS they are trying to stop it by making it illegal or by using illegal means, I don't see how it can be a violation of the 1st Amendment.
Many people (including me) are protesting and hoping that the big backslash will convince the proponents to change their plans. And I hope honest Muslims will avoid going there if and when it's built.
Of course NeoDolph1n may be right that the Cordoba Initiative may be trying to deliberately generate controversy between Muslims and non-Muslims.
ChilapaOfTheAmazons 1 year ago
@ChilapaOfTheAmazons The fact that the mere act of stopping it IS against the First Amendment MAKES it illegal.
shanedk 1 year ago
@shanedk maybe you're misunderstanding me: I don't want to make legally impossible to build the "cultural center" near ground zero.
I want the proponents of the project to (possibly reluctantly) change their minds by having them face cons (the protests) if they continue with their current plan.
The First Amendment ONLY restricts the actions of the Congress, not mine. Nothing I could possibly do (short of demanding a law against this mosque) would even come *close* to violate the 1st Amendment.
ChilapaOfTheAmazons 1 year ago
@ChilapaOfTheAmazons But those protests rise up out of ignorance and bigotry, which is exactly what the Cordova Initiative is fighting. Not only will they not give in to them, they will actually make the CI's point for them.
shanedk 1 year ago
The amount of hatred this mosque has been a catalyst of is really beyond what any people had thought. And the mosque hasnt even been constructed yet.
And that is why i think it is a fuckin terrible idea to build a mosque near ground zero, because it will only generate hatred of muslims and islam - it will never generate any kind of understanding and peace.
The muslims have the right to build it, but if they have any sense of reality they will move that mosque a couple of miles away.
AtheistMidget 1 year ago
@AtheistMidget Sure. But that should be their decision.
My personal pet hypothesis is that those building the "mosque" WANT to generate this controversy. The more conflict there is surrounding Islam, and the more there is a polarisation between Islam and the rest of the world, the less likely it is that Muslims will deconvert, and the more likely it is that Muslims will become fundies.
Pat Condell and his cronies are, in other words, working for the bad guys, without realising it.
NeoDolph1n 1 year ago
@NeoDolph1n I agree with your hypothesis
Brianswers 1 year ago
@NeoDolph1n The Cordoba Initiative don't WANT Muslims to be fundies! Please, is it REALLY so much to ask for people to do their research?
shanedk 1 year ago
@shanedk I will be the first to admit, in this instance I have done very little research, because I honestly don't care about the building itself, only about the contrived "controversy" over it. For now, I'll take your word for it (because I'm a lazy git).
NeoDolph1n 1 year ago
@NeoDolph1n When you get a chance, look into them. Also look at how the Muslim world was before the 12th Century, when cities such as Cordoba and Baghdad were the seats of science and learning in the world, and everyone, from Muslims to Christians to "doubters" (atheists) came to exchange ideas.
That's why they're called the Cordoba Initiative. That's what they want to go back to.
shanedk 1 year ago
@NeoDolph1n ""Pat Condell and his cronies are, in other words, working for the bad guys, without realising it.""
Oh, so they are part of some evil gang who wants to do evil things??
Pat condell just state his minds. He is not responable for any of the assholes who leave stupid comments.
Atleast he dosent use low insults as his only way of communicating like that guy coughlan.
Most americans feel they are being raped up the ass by islam. Why not protest?
Its feelings - they are humans
zw468okmnvfyikjgth23 1 year ago
@zw468okmnvfyikjgth23
" so they are part of some evil gang"
That wasn't what I said. Please, read the words you're quoting. I'm fully willing to admit that Pat Condell would never willingly go the terrorists' errand. But he's doing it none the less. Every time someone speaks out against this mosque, the wahabist terrorists gain a little more support, from the Muslims who feel persecuted because of this silliness.
NeoDolph1n 1 year ago
I think it should be *legal* to build this "cultural center", but I still think that's a good thing to *peacefully* criticize and oppose its construction there and now until it's clear from where the huge funds come from or at least there's some sign that clearly shows that this cannot be interpreted by extremists as a monument to a terrorist victory.
The GLARING and CRUCIAL difference between me and Muslims that send death threats over drawings is that my protest is lawful and non-violent.
ChilapaOfTheAmazons 1 year ago
@ChilapaOfTheAmazons I acknowledge that difference. My question to you is WHY do you think it matters where the money comes from, or how extremists interpret it? We all know extremists will interpret everything to fit their skewed views anyway, so if we take that into account every time we consider an action, we'll never get anything done.
NeoDolph1n 1 year ago
@ChilapaOfTheAmazons
The founds comes from the same guy who is the second largest share holder for FOX NEWS.
Hjernespreng 1 year ago
As i have pointed out from the beginning to my friends, it is indeed intended to cause controversy on the part of the originators of the plan. They, however, have the right to build a mosque anywhere they wish. The federal government and the state of NY have no say in the matter. Only the PZB (Planning and Zoning Board) and the Mayor of NYC have any say in the matter, and then only on legitimate grounds (health, safety of construction, etc..).
RyuDarragh 1 year ago
Totally agree.
Atriviality 1 year ago