Golden Martial Arts Lesson Against Multiple Attackers

[thenande]

This will never work else you would have seen this in rugby matches. In reality there's no way to drop down to that position suddenly when you are running. If you roll then you have given extra distance for the pursuer to react as well as lose the height needed to trip him. The end result would be getting stomped.

[LeKumps]

Wow, this is really bad advice. Could maybe work on an untrained opponent who has no reflex skills whatsoever, but anyone who does have some experience fighting will kick your ass. A striking fighter will jump over you or stop on time and kick you in the back of your head/neck or in the kidneys. A ground fighter will take you in a lock in a matter of seconds. Even worse is when you have to fight against multiple opponents, because they'll be kicking your ass from all sides.

[KIdzOuterSpace]

What if they jump over you? Lol

[gergzeye2000]

To start out in a fight I would advice just starting out in the ball on the ground and hope they just run out of breath kicking the shit out of you. So there is no running involved.

[187BlackWolf]

nah, i like taking everyone out better.

[IAmAndrewFord]

I wouldn't advise that unless your a Ninja... HELLO!

[Thensolomonsaid]

No 1 tip.Train to run faster.Tip No 2 Train to run faster.

[SagaraSouske]

Good advice. Although is there another way? Maybe different scenarios where your attacker manages to grab you and puts your arm behind your back in a pressure point control? My initial idea was to use my forearms to hit my multiple attackers.

[ApiolJoe]

I don't like the idea of slowing down the dynamics of a fight when you're trying to flee. I would prefer a sudden roll on a side and changing the running direction. If you started to flee it is most likely because you do'nt want to fight. Therefore it is not coherent to run, stop and fight (it seems even stupid since opposite to our initial will).

To the haters though: if you keep your body soft you won't get knocked out when you fall on the floor. The main problem comes from other attackers.

[Cromagnon2010]

Nice idea, another similar trick that was taught to me by a CDT friend, is that if possible run around a corner, stop and attack as the pursuer comes around the corner, giving you some element of suprise.

[manhthieugia95]

it'll not work, u can count on it

[cqctraining]

@manhthieugia95 - Opinions are only valuable if they're supported with reasons. Mind sharing yours?

[manhthieugia95]

@cqctraining i'm fat ^^~

[kiraa12]

what if the runner is faster then the attacker ? should hw still duck and fight back or run ?

[cqctraining]

@kiraa12 - If you can run faster than your attackers, don't turn around and fight...keep running and look for safety as well as witnesses just in case they do catch up. Also keep your eyes open for improvised weapons you can use in self defense if you need to.

[vincentrich]

@kiraa12

If you're faster, then burn rubber, and get the heck out of there. Who wants to fight multiple guys are once?

[tseals215]

Just make sure you slow down or you will just start rolling

[cqctraining]

@tseals215 - Good advice. Actually, you're going to roll regardless but this was hard to demonstrate on this self defense video with the space available. That's ok to roll though because he's not going to be able to get over you anyway if you time it right and you can disperse some of the force to avoid injury.

[PubicNinja]

@cqctraining plus, if done correctly, you can use that rolls momentum to get back up quicker and deliver more powerful attacks, like a parkour breakroll.

[MartialArtist924]

How about a sudden elbow to the ribs or a back fist to his face? Surely that will work better...

[cqctraining]

@MartialArtist924 - A backfist would work well (elbow may be too close) but I'd prefer it only if the other attackers were within a distance where they wouldn't trip over you, but instead be close enough to stomp on your after you take out their homie. In this situation, time it to shift your body to the side sharply while swinging behind you. Still, I'd prefer this "sneak attack" of dropping down because will give you a lot more follow up attack options and you'll avoid tackle.

[kungfusithlord]

@MartialArtist924 I agree. Or a rockaway rear kick... Or a quick move to the side... Or turn to face him and move to the side as you kick his stomache... ANYTHING but what he just did. Now he has all his buddies kickin' the shit out of him. Falling down in a fetal position is what you do to escape a nightmare when you're asleep. NOT when you're awake!

[zankeh]

i dont think thats a smart move because you cant judge how close he is. so if he is not as close as u think ur now on the ground waiting to get booted in the head and jumped by the rest of them. I think you should run for a bit, isolate the fastest ones turn around and attack their vital points, eyes, nuts, throat etc

[cqctraining]

@zankeh - You won't have any problems knowing when he's right behind you. You'll know when the time is right and you actually have a big buffer time. We used to do this all the time as kids.

Also, running away is not always the best choice. By the time you're ready to "turn around and fight", you'll be out of breath and in just as bad a shape to fight as they are. Sometimes better to make your stand while you're fresh - but it's situational dependent (always).

[bjavierduke]

@zankeh I used to do that to my friends in High School to make fun of them and it works, it's kind of funny but really works, you just need to start running slower and calculate.

[underglow60]

And if he kicks your head?

[cqctraining]

@underglow60 - When you drop down, cover your head as you roll. There's no way to know where his size 11 Timberlands are going to impact you and if they do hit your head, you could be knocked out. As you drop, try to cover your head in a way that still gives you control of your roll but also protects your most vulnerable spots.

[zaraki9661]

nice one love it

thanks

[thedarkgod6666]

i wouldn't recommend dropping down, for one attacker it would be risky for multiple attackers it would be crazy. i recommend to stay on your feet and try to take them out one at a time.

[cqctraining]

@thedarkgod6666 - Remember, this is a last-ditch self defense technique when your attacker is on nearly on top of you, not a complete strategy. However, stopping to turn around to fight puts you in a face-to-face fight again and while you'll be stationary, they'll be in full motion and tougher to defend against.

This would be crazy if you had multiple attackers near one another for sure. But not if most or all are far back and one is faster than the others and alone.

Appreciate your feedback

[thedarkgod6666]

@cqctraining ..i agree, dropping down is a last ditch and desperate measure, but you will quickly lose control of the situation. it depends on the number of attackers, but i would take the offensive. i wouldn't wait for them to run to me, i would be running at them. i would already have planned my first strike and defensive move and if that went well, the second and so on. i think me being in control of the situation is more important than taking a risky move where i can't rely on the outcome.

[cqctraining]

@thedarkgod6666 - Valid points my friend!  Thanks for following up!

[GloryMavi4fun]

i really thought is was gonna say drop down and start crying

[MeloraCastillo]

It's a smart idea but the chances of it working are low. Stopping that fast assuming you're running for your life is almost impossible without triggering the attacker to know what your doing. You might stumble to soon or too slow and if that happens your already on the ground, and your done. I wouldn't recommend this unless you absolutely know what you're doing and you have quick reflexes.

[cqctraining]

@MeloraCastillo - You have to look at the totality of the situation. This is a last resort move when you're trying to escape and your attacker is on top of you. The technique has worked since I used it as a kid and since your attacker is so close to you, he has no chance of reacting fast enough.

Again, last resort - AFTER picking up a weapon of opportunity; running to a public place; throwing obstacles in their way; turning a corner and hitting the first guy after you with a stick, forearm...

[Tagukon]

@cqctraining dropping to a fetal position would be impossible while running without yourself tumbling over. This is because the momentum of your run have to be stopped first before you can fall down into a fetal position safely.

[cqctraining]

@Tagukon - Agreed. Please see one of my replies to 101tenkan below. This was only a demonstration done in a small space and it would have been more realistic if I had done more of a "fetal roll". Good catch and thanks for contributing to the discussion.

~ Jeff

[mmawilldesha]

I have trained in combat sports for five years and I've been in many many street fights.Now in a one on one situation that usally carries me but in certain cases like multiple attackers and weapons and stuff like that.I think its not the best idea to use that kind of thing its best to find a way to get the hell out of there kick to the groin bite whatever you have to do to get out of there.To me that is the main thing in a multiple attacker or a weapon situation the escape it works for me anyway

[cqctraining]

@mmawilldesha - absolutely agree with you. This self defense technique actually supports what you're saying in that in a real street fight, if you can escape, do so. But if you're running away and find that your attackers are faster than you, you can use this technique when they're right on top of you instead of being tackled and beaten up.

Thanks for commenting. ;-)

~ Jeff

[101tenkan]

Hi this technique is an aikido technique,very simple yet it's only shown to advanced students.There are many reasons for this,which i won't go into it'll take too long,however the way in which you show the technique is somewhat strange as you would have to stop your foward momentum so that you can curl up.Done from static this does work i've used it but on the move i don't think so.even static it takes so much practice with timing issues.

[cqctraining]

@101tenkan - Interesting. I don't quite understand how you're explaining the "static" version of this self defense technique. The way I showed in the video, is on the run when your attackers are nearly on top of you and it's obvious you're not going to be able to outrun them. Can you explain the static version of this?

[101tenkan]

@cqctraining Hi thanks for the reply,sorry to be so vague regarding the static version.The static version is different inthat you're facing your attacker when he is running at you and you are standing still,you then assume the position.Obviously you're showing a different application,but my concern is running full speed away from someone and you then have to stop all your momentum from going foward and assume the position,surely you need time to slow down and stop before you assume the curl.

[cqctraining]

@101tenkan - thanks for the clarification. Nice tip!

No, in my example you don't slow down at all to assume the position. It's not well portrayed in this video because of lack of room, but when you quickly drop down, it's really going to be an almost "roll" because of your forward momentum. Timing is everything because it's when you can hear and feel your attacker is within reaching distance and can't react fast enough to jump over you.

Hope that makes sense.

[101tenkan]

@cqctraining Hi i see what you're aiming for in the technique,Difficault situation to be in in the first place.Once it's decided that flight instead of fight is the best method of defence,i feel it's awkward to deal with.Nice idea hope it works for people.regards 101tenkan

[safa264]

ok what about a woman fighting against a gang who wanna rape her!

[agelakute]

If this does work, I rather punch the person in the nut sack when hes right above you weather then waiting for him to fully fall, and then keep running to the most public place with people because there's still some goons behind you.

What i rather do is turn at the corner with a wall and get ready to hit one of them when they follow you because they wont see it coming. Well, you could either hit them or grab there head and smash it to the wall...don't over do it and make sure to keep running

[kosmonaftx]

Thumbs up if you didn't watch the intro!

[vcj13]

dont make sense 

[phadedlife]

This is the worst idea I've ever heard.

[norm1955]

Idunno, Jeff,I might just get kicked in the ribs or the head really hard if I did that, but what about the old stop and mule kick to my pursuers groin, will that work?

[cqctraining]

@norm1955 - That falls into the "stop, stand, and fight" method Norm. Which is always an option. It takes some time to stop your run and turn for position, but you're right that a kick (especially on a charging attacker) is a good option because it's a distance move.

Still, if you can outrun your attacker(s), it's the best option as you never know how a fight will end.

Thanks for the comment Norm!

[Nick18Boston]

This technique is insane. Why would you ever purposefully put yourself on the ground. Also, if you did do this technique and it worked, odds are your knees are going to be seriously hurt dropping to them from a dead sprint for your life. Better idea; practice your stand up and ground work. All after getting your firearms license to carry concealed permit. A .45 to the head stops every attacker.

[cqctraining]

@Nick18Boston - Not sure why you would judge this self defense technique so quickly. For one...it works! Remember...you're running for your life. Scraping your knees is most likely not going to be high on your priority list, but in essence, it's more of a "roll" but I didn't show that effectively in the video.

Also, my videos wouldn't have have much weight if I answered each one with "pull out your .45". I believe in guns and CC, but please view these videos with an open mind.

[Rainman4084]

I train in muay thai and let me say this could work but when fighting multiple people don't let them surround you. That's a mistake. If you take boxing lesson like I do fighting multiple people will be like will become a lot easier for you cause time they come for you just let them punches fly.

[6aardman6]

What a joke, come on now. The golden lesson in street fighting is stay off the ground and this guying is telling people to go to the ground hahahahahahhaha

[cqctraining]

@6aardman6 - I don't think you listened to the video. This is not "going to the ground" as in a recommending a ground fight. This is about a specific scenario where you are escaping a street fight (which is always great advice) but your attacker is a faster runner than you.

He's expecting to grab you when in arm's reach so YOU go to the ground to counter his attack. Then you get up and run or kick him while HE is down. This is NOT a groundfight - it's a survival technique.

Watch it again.

[BranMufffin]

Are you guys kidding? Before I watch this video that move saved me! it barely even hurts! a kid was mad at me and he was chasing me, then even though I was faster I stopped got down and BOOOOOOM! it hurt a little, but it gave me the chance to get back up and run the different direction! (at first I thought it would hurt too! but it barely does!)

[landreev]

are u joking what stupid way to get stomped

[CqbJunkie]

omg this tactic can also get yourself kicked to crap

[6aardman6]

This is the worst advice ever. Going to the ground on the street is not smart you will get stomped in seconds, now add up those multiple atackers and you just wrote yourself a suicide recipe. Aside from that, this manouvre is impossible to time and way to dangerous even if the other atackers are not comming after you.

[cqctraining]

@6aardman6 - not true. Anyone who has actually played this game as a kid knows that it works. It's easy to pull off and it's easy to time because you'll know when someone is right on your heels.

It's really common sense and it's a last ditch self defense move when you're not as fast as your attackers.

I do appreciate all professional comments (even those that disagree) and I can usually see other points, but this one surprises me that more don't "get it".

Think worst case guys.

[6aardman6]

@cqctraining I have a hard time taking this response serious, but let's just assume that by some miracle this actually works and you trip the guy chasing you ,what happened to the MULTIPLE attackers?

Are they standing by watching? Or did you trip all of them?

[cqctraining]

@6aardman6 - Excellent clarification. No, you're not going to trip all of the multiple attackers (unless you're in a 3 stooges film. ;-)

I applied this to multiple attackers because in a real street fight, most guys don't think of running but will if facing 3 or more attackers. If you do, chances are only 1 or 2 attackers are going to have the will or stamina to continue running. (Hopefully), you'll be down to just 1 attacker on your heels by the time you need to use this self defense trick.

[ominousmaximus]

Jeet Kune Do is my choice along with applying Krav Maga and Kung Fu. Ninjitsu is a really decent art as well. Many styles look great in film and on the mat...At the end of the day I will take my JKD and feel safe as anyone. Philosophy and art is important in visualizing an opponents way of fighting, apply and be defensive and it will go along way.

[cqctraining]

@ominousmaximus - great choice of martial arts systems ominousmaximus. Keep up the fight!

[Virility]

When I was in the 5th grade a bunch of my friends and I were playing tag or something like that. When I was chasing down one guy, he did this as a joke to send me flying over top of him.

I accidentally broke 2 of his ribs with my knee.

This tactic is not something I'd be trying.

[shedtic]

Ignoring everything else, why do you always call striking ''combatives''? I've seen this trend with a lot of newer self defence instructors. Is it an attempt to make it sound new and ''edgy''?

[notme191]

Worst advice ever. Maybe you misjudge the dropdown or another one catches up quickly and your screwed, everybody with any sense knows the worst place to be in a streetfight against multiple attackers is the floor.

[mgbrawl]

risky, controversal. but then there are few alternatives...

[DawgFL]

uhhh what happened to "multiple attackers"?

the other people are going to stomp on your head after you drop down.

[DARQUEknight07]

this takes place after youve run away,so all of the other attackers are still waaay behind(assuming that ALL of your attackers arnt olympic sprinters)...

[millec60]

or the dude just jumps over you and kicks the shit out of you

[godmadegrass]

What happens if theres two people? once u go down to trip the first guy and the second guy comes and volley your face?

[your3rdi]

Let's see a demo on this one!

[a1b26442]

5stars....but u should show a fuul speed demenstration

[TheMuscleNerd]

Great point about "timing" your drop! It's absolutely critical to making this technique work.

Thanks for your comments!

[MrWhitePiano]

:) hehehe

[analihilator]

1st view/comment lol

you'd want to not misjudge and go down to early or you'd cop a running knee or soccer kick. that'd be fun

[cqctraining]

@analihilator - yes, that's a perfect point. It's about timing and using your hearing (an overlooked survival weapon) to know the right time. Actually, you'll just "know" when to hit the ground but you're right...if you go down too soon, your head will make a nice soccer ball for your attacker.

Thanks for pointing this out analihilator!