I LOVE GOD THE FATHER, THE SON, THE HOLY SPIRIT & MARY THE VIRGIN MOTHER, ALL ANGELS IN HEAVEN, SAINTS, APOSTLES, PROPHETS & HOLY SOULS IN PURGATORY........
Mark 9:41 And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me; it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
&&&&& I think it makes it clear that we should have an open mind (and heart) for the things that come from God.
If someone (or something) can help people stay away from sin, reminding them to pray, fast, and stay celibate (or monogamous, in case of married people), how on earth can it possibly be bad?
Mark 9:37 John answered him, saying: Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, who followeth not us, and we forbade him. 38 But Jesus said: Do not forbid him. For there is no man that doth a miracle in my name, and can soon speak ill of me. 39 For he that is not against you, is for you. 40 For whosoever shall give you to drink a cup of water in my name, because you belong to Christ: amen I say to you, he shall not lose his reward. (continues)
@ferdymecheng 1 Thessalonians 5:20: Do not spurn prophecies. 5:21: But test all things. Hold on to whatever is good. 5:22: Abstain from every kind of evil. Definition of spurn: 1.to reject with disdain; scorn. 2.to treat with contempt; despise. 3.to kick or trample with the foot. God has always spoken to His people. Nothing ever said in any Marian apparition contradicts what Jesus has taught us. She confirms, each time, the need for prayer, fasting, and charity.
People must listen and follow the Bible with their hearts, not minds. Unless people begin to embrace the core of Christianity, there will continue to be these retarded discussions and attaining brownie points for converting to each other's religion instead of leading people to Christ. HE is LORD and if he decides to send down his mother to warn people of their evil ways and to turn back to Him, then so be it! If anyone has to make a negative remark, I do not care, I know God speaks to people
I guess everything and angel and every heavenly creature must be Satan. GOD is the overall power and HE still talks to people and gives people gifts of prophecy and gives warnings. MANY people converted to Christ as a result of these miracles. If that isn't so, then I call heresy on speaking in tongues and healing of hands and so on... And furthermore, I have encountered evil in every church. People are filled with it. The Bible is not to be torn apart and fought over.
The fourth commandment tells us to honor our father and mother. Jesus honors his parents and was obedient to them. ADORATION is due to God alone. To give HONOR should not be confused with that. The bible calls Mary - blessed among women or highly favored one. Elizabeth calls her "Mother of my Lord". Jesus, hanging on the cross, calls her "Woman". It is not only a title of respect. See Revelation 12.
The early christians do not have a New testament (NT) bible. It was in the Council of Hippo on 393 AD that the NT canon (27 books) was determined by catholic Bishops. The list was submitted to the Pope for approval. It was approved. Again in 397 AD in the Council of Carthage, the list was submitted by Catholic Bishops to the Pope. The Pope approved the NT canon. Without the Catholic Church, there is no NT Bible. Even Martin Luther admitted to this.
The apparition talks about repentance, prayer, lead good lives, to think about the passion of Jesus. Even Satan in "disguised form" will not talk about this. On the contrary, Satan would hate this apparition because many repented because of this apparition. Revelation of the Bible has given us a lot of warning not so much to frighten us but to bring us closer to God.
@meng1961 Amen. Your exactly right. Protestants keep on bashing on Catholics when we speak of Marian apparitions. This can't be the work of the devil because, like you said, many repented. Mary our mother, pray for us! God bless you! :)
@nmxterra yea ,just like Meng1961 said, this is NOT the work of the devil or false prophets because many people repented due to this. PLEASE....I don't want some Protestant preaching and arguing. Just look into your heart to listen to Jesus AND Mary's words for you. Mary is OUR eternal mother and Jesus gave her to us when he was on the cross and said.."behold your children".
@nmxterra : Ok there's nothing to argue about this BUT you are barking to a wrong tree. The Marian Apparition had been scrutinized and studied carefully before it was being recognized by the church. The message of the apparition was asking people to repent and return to the fold of Jesus. What is wrong with that? Aren't you happy if you have a mother to remind you to be good always? That means she's concern for your well being.
The focus is on Catholicism as it was the first church as Jesus intended - upon this rock I build my church - St. Peter the first Pope. It is all about Jesus, his mother was sent by him as she always says. The rosary is all about worshiping Jesus - Catholics do not/are not worshiping statues that is just rubbish - the are visual aids. Do you not have photos of loved ones on display in your home? It is the same thing. A statue is just a visual aid, something to remind just like the cross.
Are they really seeing Mary or are they seeing disguised angel of light (Lucifer.) What word of God said about end times. Apostle Paul warn us not to believe such things easily. Apostle John wrote us to test first. Beware Catholics watch yourself.
@ferdymecheng: Absolutely, this apparition was carefully scrutinized and passed the test that it was from God. The message was asking people to return to the fold of Jesus. Does that contradict to the teachings of the Bible? When God used the lifeguard as his instrument to save you from drowning yet you refused because you want God Himself to save you, then something wrong is really going on.
@MegaSigbin God has completed His Redemptive work. I believe in God and His Son Jesus Christ. Tell me do you believe in Mariam to save you ? ! I love and respect her because she is woman God has chosen to bore His Son. We have to be careful to believe what is contradict with the scripture. Did Lord Jesus tell us His mother will appear and warn the people. I do not find it. If you find share it to me the chapter and verse.
@ferdymecheng: Did I say that Our Mother Mary will save me? No. She is there to help me being saved from Eternal fire. That is why on our prayers we always say "Mary, hear our prayers". To Jesus or the Father do we Catholics only say Have Mercy On Us. I am no biblical scholar and I am only a regular Sunday mass observant but if someone would tell me/remind me to be close to Jesus, should I hate that person? Of course no. Did that person contradict to Jesus' teaching? No.
@MegaSigbin Apostle Paul said, God has given Holy Ghost to help believers, as we are born of His Spirit. Lord Himself said we can pray to God the Father in His Name. Because of Christ's eternal sacrifice now we are able come before God to pray as written in the Book of Hebrew. What do you think of this ?
@ferdymecheng: Helping to be saved is very much different with Saving itself. U can tell a tree by its fruits, in other words, you'd be able to find out the message & understand its entirety if it is relevant to the current times & if it makes you closer to God. With it, you'll know that the messge is from Jesus. In short, fruits is to message of Salvation as tree is to Jesus. By the way, did the Holy Bible wrote that Jesus went to the bathroom? No. Mary's message is to cement our faith w/ God
@ferdymecheng: U can tell a tree by its fruits, in other words, you'd be able to find out the message and understand its entirety if it is relevant to the current times and if it makes you closer to God. With it, you'll know that the message is from Jesus. In short, fruits is to message of Salvation as tree is to Jesus. And by the way, did the Holy Bible wrote that Jesus went to the bathroom? No. That's why we have a common sense to begin with. Mary's message is clear - To cement our faith 2 God
@MegaSigbin .....Thank U; dear Tradition tell us Mary help us to be closer to God. Bible tell us Holy Spirit help us to be with God which is correct !? Mariam did gave birth Lord Jesus and scripture says He is the Eldest Brother of all saved Human race as He is the first to be raised from the death but same scripture tells us its the Holy Spirit who give birth to every believers in Christ. Further scripture does not support that in latter days Mariam will appear and warn the people.
@ferdymecheng: Once and for all, Mother Mary CANNOT save me but HELPS to save me. Let's be clear on that. The mere fact that she is the Mother of Jesus our God, she is Mother of Our God too. Does it make sense? If you listen to your friend, how much more to your mom telling you? And with your critical thinking and open heart, please tell me if her message of repentance and staying away from sins make you go farther from God the Father? Remember Pride is a deadly sin.
@ferdymecheng: I don't claim to know all the verse in the Bible as I can't even correctly quote one. I am just a regular Sunday mass observer. If pride consumes me due to self-acclaimed intellegence, then I prefer to not have one. Man's wisdom is foolishness to God. If you're only basis is the Bible because of Sola Scriptura, then we won't end this debate as we have different views and you miss the other half.
@ferdymecheng: Like what Ive told you earlier, do you find any verse in the Bible saying Jesus went to the bathroom or choose what to wear for the day? NONE. Mary is our Mother and the bible didn't say she'll warn us when the time is near BUT you'll know that a mother will always remind her kids to always stay away from danger. JESUS going to the bathroom - NOT in the Bible but YOU KNOW HE did. Mary appears & warns - NOT in the Bible BUT you KNOW a Mother does everything to save her children.
@MegaSigbin JESUS going to the bathroom - NOT in the Bible but YOU KNOW HE did. Such notion is ingrained in Catholic Traditional believe. You said mother trying to save her children such as brown scapular. She said, "Whosoever dies clothed in this (Scapular) shall not suffer eternal fire." (Our Lady's Promise made July 16, 1251 A.D. to Saint Simon Stock).This is seriously contradict with the Holy Scripture what do you think about this.
These apparitions do not, in a direct way give glory to Jesus, our Lord and Saviour. Instead, the focus is always on catholicism and on Mary. Shrines are built in her honor where she is worshipped (idolatry). The devil also appears as an angel of light to take the focus off of Jesus who is the Way, the Truth and the Life; the only mediator between God and man, and by whom we must be saved. We cannot earn our way to heaven by good works or merits, but by the price Jesus paid on the Cross.
@MsOliveLeaf How about...BEWARE Protestants and all your selfish nonsense. It seems that at every instance, Protestants find something to bash on Catholics (Mary, the pope, purgatory, eucharist, saints etc.). How about the last commandement Jesus gave us...."Love one another."......and your a fellow Christian just like the rest of us? NOT a Catholic Christian....but a Protestant Christian...someone who follows Martin Luther and NOT Jesus's Gospel....sorry, but it's the truth. I'll pray for you.
@MrRocha90 Wow, talk about Christian love. Sounds like I struck a nerve threre. Martin Luther's Gospel IS the Gospel of Jesus. Read your Bible and don't put your trust in religion. Pray for yourself that you find the Truth. You will find it in Scripture, and then back it up with your religion.
@MsOliveLeaf Actually Martin's Luther's gospel was just made up in 1517. As opposed to the true gospel which is 2,000 years old. And by the way, a "religion" is a set of beliefs and or practices. So Christianity is a even though it is a truly a relationship with Jesus it also a "religion" in the sense that it is a "set of beliefs and or practices" And in fact the Bible says a Christian's acts are "true religion" (see James 1:27). And by the way, the Catholic Church canonized "scripture".
And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company LIFTED UP her voice & said unto Him, BLESSED is the WOMB that BARE THEE & the PAPS which thou hast sucked. BUT HE SAID, Yea RATHER, BLESSED are THEY that HEAR the WORD of GOD & KEEP IT"
Everytime you say a hail mary prayer your putting her on same level as the Holy Trinity. ALL prayers should be addressed to JESUS, ALONE. Jesus created mary she is a mortal NOT divine
If the end of times happens tomorrow.... are you ready?...are you prepared?....we are talking about facing our lives....our eternity in heaven or hell, the truth is that our hands are half empty....may be it won´t be enough...I think Garbandal it´s an oportunity for us to change and be as good as we can....so seize the day...this supernatural phenomena of Garabandal is warning all of us...are you listening?
Conchita is now 60, Malaquias positions Benedicto XVI as the penultimate pope, Saint Nilo in 430 predicts the communication with another person at the extreme of the world would be possible, when the antichrist gets to earth: carnal sins, homosexuality, lust, greed, and murder will rull the society. Recently the aparition in Zeitun Egyp again, and the sun in Medugorie makes me remember Fatima...John Paul the Second janury 20 of 1982 said: we are in the heart of the prophecies of LaSalette.
A new book about Garabandal apparitions show theintimate relation bewteen the messages and prophecies there and more than 400 Bible quotes. Additionally 3 already saints (St. Pio Pietralcina, St. Josemaria and St. Maravillas de Jesus) plus a Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcuta and 2 Popes (Paul VI & John Paul II) had made favorable statements about Garabandal. Book title is "Garabandal, 50 años despues" and published still only in spanish
A new book about Garabandal apparitions show theintimate relation bewteen the messages and prophecies there and more than 400 Bible quotes. Additionally 3 already saints (St. Pio Pietralcina, St. Josemaria and St. Maravillas de Jesus) plus a Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcuta and 2 Popes (Paul VI & John Paul II) had made favorable statements about Garabandal. Book title is "Garabandal, 50 años despues" and published still only in spanish
EWTN has a good article on Garabandal. It will come up if you google ewtn and click on second link. I know of someone writing a book on the apparitions right now.... Supposedly this person is trying to find someone to publish his book. His book looks at the apparitions of Garabandal in light of prophecies of Catholic saints related to a coming era of peace prophesied by everyone from St. Catherine of Sienna, to St. Ephram to Our Lady of Fatima
Interestingly, the, Bishop never condemns the apparitions. He simply states that the supernatural character of the said apparitions could not be confirmed. He states: the supernaturality of the referenced apparitions was not proven. Unfortunately it would seem that many took this to mean that the said apparitions were condemned by Rome or Santander Diocese. This is not the case.
@Catastraphecdv firstly mary is the mother of jesus christ and a crucial intercesser between jesus and man , mary is the immaculate conception and mother of the whole world so a little respect is due
@Catastraphecdv, Ad Jesum per Mariam! "Son, behold thy mother- Mother, behold thy son." "God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart." Catholics simply (and logically) revere what God Himself revered. Jesus loved and honored His mother, and asked us to do the same while He was dying on the cross. Read the gospels. Read Luke especially. "All generations shall call me blessed."
Before you do penance and visit the Blessed Sacrament, you have to first "lead good lives??" Ridiculous! This is not Catholic. Prayer, penance, sacrifice, yes. But only God's grace will save you- not your "good works" alone. Our Lady of Fatima!!! Pray to HER. This is a bunch of nonsense.
@mufc99ok I have read the message of Fatima many times. I have a great devotion to Our Lady of Fatima. Her message is very clear- God wants to spread devotion to her Immaculate Heart through the consecration of Russia. He has also called for the Five First Saturdays of reparation. Make sacrifices for poor sinners who have no one to pray for them. How is any of that contrary to my first comment?
@acebabam well since 62 the world has grown much much worse our lady was telling the whole world to lead good lifes and stop offending god like at fatima , well the world has not changed one single bit ,like you ive great devotion to our lady especailly the rosary but our lady is never wrong what she said about the priesthood was right
@acebabam well since 62 the world has grown much much worse our lady was telling the whole world to lead good lifes and stop offending god like at fatima , well the world has not changed one single bit ,like you ive great devotion to our lady especailly the rosary shes never wrong
@mufc99ok I agree that Our Lady does not lie, but that does not mean that everyone who says they see Our Lady really sees Our Lady. Many people have been tricked by the devil. By their fruits you shall know them.
@acebabam padre pio said he saw the miracle what about the priest who died of joy , our blessed lady was right about the priesthood , like whos really behind all that clerical abuse the devil because he knows that priests are really the only ones who have the power to cast him out , keep priests in your prayers will there human too they are the only ones who can consecrate noone else
@mufc99ok Of course! I am enrolled in the Prayer Crusade for Priests and pray for them every day. I agree that only priests can touch the sacred Hosts. I agree that the devil is the one responsible for the abuse scandals, but there are human beings who do his bidding. Many are part of the hierarchy of the Church itself. "The smoke of satan has entered the church." Read "School of Darkness" by Bella Dodd or "The Devil's Final Battle" for the truth that few want to tell or hear.
@acebabam In answer to questions about the alleged Marian apparitions at Garabandal, Spain, Bishop Jose Vilaplana sends the following response to inquirers:
Some people have been coming directly to the Diocese of Santander (Spain) asking about the "alleged apparitions" of Garabandal, and above all for the position of the hierarchy of the Church concerning these apparitions.
@acebabam 1. All the bishops of the diocese from 1961 through 1970 asserted that the supernatural character of the said apparitions, that took place around that time, could not be confirmed. [no constaba].*
2. In the month of December of 1977 Msgr. del Val, Bishop of Santander, in union with his predecessors, affirmed that in the six years of being Bishop of Santander there were no new phenomena.
@acebabam 3. Not withstanding, the same Msgr. del Val, the first years having passed in which there was confusion to enthusiasm, initiated an interdisciplinary study in order to examine with greater profundity these phenomenon. The conclusion of this study coincided with the previous findings by the bishops, which is to say, that it does not prove [no consta] the supernaturality of said apparitions.
@acebabam 4. This study concluded during the days in which I took possession of the diocese in 1991. Taking advantage, in that same year, of a trip to Rome for the motive of making the ad limina visit, I presented said study to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and asked for guidance for pastoral activity concerning the case.
@acebabam 5. On Nov. 28, 1992, the Congregation sent me its response, consisting in, that after having examined attentively the mentioned documentation, it did not consider it opportune to intervene directly, removing the ordinary jurisdiction of the Bishop of Santander, this subject that belongs to him by right. Previous declarations of the Holy See agree in this finding.
@acebabam In the same letter it was suggested, if I find it opportune, to publish a declaration in which it is re-affirmed that the supernaturality of the referenced apparitions was not proven, making my own the unanimous position of my predecessors.
@acebabam 6. Given that the declarations of my predecessors, who studied the case, have been clear and unanimous, I do not find it necessary to have a new public declaration that would give notoriety to something which happened so long ago. However, I find it opportune to redact this information as a direct response to the persons who ask for direction concerning this question, which I give finally, accepting the decisions of my predecessors and the direction of the Holy See.
@acebabam 7. In reference to the celebration of the Eucharist in Garabandal, following the dispositions of my predecessors, I only allow that it be celebrated in the parish church without reference to the alleged apparitions and with the permission of the current pastor, who has my confidence.
@mufc99ok I am not a priest. I was just quoting the Bishop of Santander, Jose Vilaplana, where he states the church's official position on the apparitions: " The conclusion of this study coincided with the previous findings by the bishops, which is to say, that it does not prove [no consta] the supernaturality of said apparitions." In other words, the church could find nothing through her exhaustive investigations that proved without doubt that these apparitions were of God.
You shalt not make for yourself a carved image or likeness of anything in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them, etc. Also see Deuteronomy 4: 15-16, lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure, male or female.
Deuteronomy 5:8; Exodus 20:4-6
This commandment of Almighty God commands us that we should not make or have any holy statues/images as part of our worship.
@queenmother2010: What is wrong with the Rosary? Have you ever recited it? Our Father is the very same prayer that Jesus himself taught us what to say. Please read the bible. That is true too with the Hail Mary - they are words that came out from the mouth of Elizabeth when she saw Mary was pregnant with Jesus.
Look at your self do you not be on you tube buts its the fact that you don't understand that were trying to get at all of you that the lord is returning someday and he will only take his people and your not on of them because you don't know the truth .satin's name is not out of the bible you have just made up a pile of lies.it would fit you better if u went and read the bible!!!!!............................
Peter was the first pope. He was also instrumental in constructing the complete bible, that of the roman catholic church. He was also written in the bible as "the rock in whom I will build my church". All early Christians considered him as pope. Only after several centuries did certain people consider the "pope" as a purely catholic idea.
@michaelmedina79 You are in grave error. Jesus did not say to Peter that 'on you I will build my church' Jesus would build His church on the confession that Peter made because Peter confessed Jesus as The Christ, The son of the living God. All those who confess Christ as God and Saviour become sons of God and members of the living church.
as for having the complete bible. all bibles today descended from the books compiled by the roman catholic church. most sects removed parts of that bible and only included the parts which "agree" with there religion. as for satanists not believing in the bible. all there descriptions of the devil and even the word satan comes from the bible.
in the Old Testament Elijah was summoned by a medium and he castigated the medium saying that it was wrong. hence the mistake of some that trust in mediums and hence the mistake of some that souls of the dead can't be communicated with. they can be. they just shouldn't be summoned.
as for those that would say that why there's suffering in the world. let me ask you this. why we're you put in this world? what's your purpose? "ano ka singaw?" are you made to increase suffering? or decrease it?
as for those who would eventually say that "seeing, touching, tasting, or hearing is believing". let me ask you one question: have you seen, touched, tasted, or heard your brain? just a joke. hehehe. but something to think about. for that matter has anyone done the same to historical figures? or for that matter Donald Trump pwera the seeing and hearing? :-).
just post positive and constructive comments please. as Catholics and Christians we should show that we are Christ-like. emulating the ranters attitudes would only inspire them because that is the reaction they are looking for. post something educated and well-explained and they'd run out of rants or just get-tired. as i would guess most of the ranters eventually get. it's not a debate in the view of an educated Christian/Catholic. it's more of just presenting the facts.
It tells us in the bible that there is only ONE God.It says in the book of Galations ch1 v 8 that anyone who preaches any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you let him be accursed.I can tell you you now that your church is wrong because there is only one god and that is the god above.
pauls epistle tells us there can be no fellowship between light and darkness,so therefore the church of rome is in darkness the pope antichrist who sets himself up as god is blasphemous there is only one mediator between god and man and that is the lord jesus not mary.When we die we go to one of two places heaven or hell,there is a great gulf fixed and no one can contact the soul.Cemetary sunday is complete nonsense there is no communication for any one to pray to these souls who have died.
@queenmother2010 You are correct in what you say. There is only one mediator between man and God and that is Jesus Christ. Mary is NOT a mediator, though Catholics call her one. Mary is indeed the blessed mother of Jesus and is now in eternal bliss with the risen saviour and will be called blessed forever. As a Christian, I love Mary and can't wait to meet her, but my trust is only in Jesus Christ for my salvation for there is no other name given among men by which we must be saved.
I'm confused. I heard that the only video taken of the event was on a little 8mm black and white camera. If the picture at 3:40 is a still from that video, is there anyway to watch the full video online? Also, the color video at 3:33 seems to be showing the girl at a different angle than the black and white picture at 3:40. I'm wondering how many videos exist of this event, and if it's possible to find a full video online?....thanks!
@Drazhenko what an idiot you are , read the fatima prayer i posted it just might save your soul , god is watching what we all do there no getting away with it
@Drazhenko oh thats right god gave us the bible so idiots like you can mock it , everything in the bible is true , its the mind of god in abook but your just too ignorant to understand this
@Drazhenko like yourself ,,,,,,,,,em not , i only go to daily mass , daily rosary regular confession you know catholic stuff but you choose to mock god i choose to praise him
@Drazhenko no not molest u but pray for you that the lord pours grace upon your soul before u die. for i will say this friend i hope and pray that your last words is father forgive me for my sins. love u brother in christ
@Drazhenko 1st hate should be responded to with love 2nd theres no use debating a man who made up his mind 3rd God did do something to help people suffering, He put "us" in this world, unfortunately there are those that don't listen to Him and follow His will ergo more suffering. admittedly there are those within the Christian community that are "complacent" in alleviating suffering.
@Drazhenko another thing if you're so concerned about suffering do something about it rather than flaming on you tube. also it is a fact that a large percentage of "charitable work" is done by or through the Catholic Church. if you even bothered to look that up. that's alleviating suffering. not ranting on you tube.
@Drazhenko i have yet to see a largescale effort by satanists to help people in need. so it seems your on the wrong team if you want to alleviate suffering in this world. and for that matter your rants are divisive. ecumenical work by the catholic church seeks to unite in love all of the faiths, including muslim and other religions pwera satanism. your rants however are counterproductive to this.
@Drazhenko as for the people cursing this person. that's really unChrist-like. the greatest among His commandments is to Love. Look it up in Corinthians. God would want us to school him not increase His hate. debate is really pretty much useless to those who made up there mind. so the best thing to do is pray for him. atheists and satanists are those that need our love the most.
@Drazhenko generally as in most cases those that post hate rants on Christian/Catholic videos are either uneducated about the topic or mis-educated. and the only proper action is to educate them. so read up and study your scripture. Be a Catholic Apologist or a Christian Apologist. they're badly needed in this hate filled society.
These girls are simple county folk who are very innocent and would not have the capacity to make up such a fantastic lie. This is obviously some thing of the super natural .
@animosanbeda21 your going further and further from christ and from salvation , this is exactly what the devil wants , the catholic church is being attacked today like never before , the catholic church is the only way to really drive out the devil and he knows this only too well , he knows his time left on earh is very short and he wants to bring as many souls to hell with him as possible
WHAT is THE TRUTH about JESUS & HIS MOTHER MARY? Simply A JEW JESUS didn't DIE on THE CROSS &so HIS PUPILS STOLE "so called HIS BODY" from THE TOMB as ROMAN SOLDIERS TOLD &so ROMAN SOLDIERS were LOOKING for ALIVE JESUS & HIS MOTHER &HIS PUPILS as SWINDLERS! So JESUS & HIS MOTHER had to ESCAPE from THE TERRITORY where THEY were KNOWN VERY WELL. So JEWS PROPAGATED A SWINDLE that JESUS & HIS MOTHER MARY CAME to THE SKY! So ROMAN EMPERORS DECIDED to CRUCIFY "so called FIRST CHRISTIANS" as SWINDLERS!
@bulyabalive my friend, in time you will believe, when you see with your eyes. Just try and open your heart so that you will not believe when it is too late.
@bulyabalive my friend, in time you will believe, when you see with your eyes. Just try and open your heart so that you will not believe when it is too late.
@bulyabalive my friend, in time you will believe, when you see with your eyes. Just try and open your heart so that you will not believe when it is too late.
@bulyabalive my friend, in time you will believe, when you see with your eyes. Just try and open your heart so that you will not believe when it is too late.
@bulyabalive my friend, in time you will believe, when you see with your eyes. Just try and open your heart so that you will not believe when it is too late.
@bulyabalive my friend, in time you will believe, when you see with your eyes. Just try and open your heart so that you will not believe when it is too late.
you havent answered any of my questions , the truth is you cant , with out offening me or the eucharist, when insult the eucharist , you insult jesus christ , fact , what does take with all you protestants, stubborn like the jews, how do you explain , fatima, knock, garabandal , lourdes, kibeho, akita, come on explain , here is a ffatima prayer you should learn it ,
@mufc1970ok What questions? How can I insult the Saviour? It is actually you who insult Him, by allowing your priests to pretent to have power over Him by calling Him from His throne in heaven and confine Him in a piece of bread baked bzy human hands!!! Fatima, Knock, Garabandal, Lourdes, Kibeho whatever are all demonic stronghold of the demon masquarading as Mary mother of Jesus. This demon is the queen of heaven, or queen of the cost, goddess of WICCA and she is fooling you, dear.
These apparitions claim to be our co-redeemer, co-redemptrix, our intercessor, our suffering servant, universal mediator of graces, our refuge, our advocate to save us, our mediator, immaculately conceived, the savior of the world, ark of salvation, the ark of peace, the immaculate heart which will never abandon us, omni-present, ever-present, suffers on our behalf for the atonement of sins, sinless and worthy of our adoration. These are descriptions of God, not Mary. This is Satan.
Blessed be the Mother of God! " For those who believe in God, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe in god, no explanation is possible!"
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Looks like these poor kids were demonized. God doesn't contradict himself. These apparitions say pray to them. Only one mediator to be prayed to. JESUS. People under hypnosis and under voodoo spells (all thru altered states of consciousness) can do similar things. Scripture says "...Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness.." 2 Corinth. 11:14,15.
@moabedom i can already tell your one of these protestant baptists who believe that the catholic church is the "whore of babylon". these are authentic visions with a true message behind them. if you don't want to believe then thats fine... our holy mother called us to jesus' love. quote all the scripture you want.. it doesn't matter.. too say these children were demonized is absolutely idiotic.. our holy mother and blessed st. michael viseted these children.. satan pollutes your mind. God Bless
@kiwichristian2009 THE MESSAGES ARE NOT AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD.... Like i said.. believe what you want.. interpret the Bible as you wish... MAN... you can't comprehend the bible individually.. it makes no sense for you to tell me how to believe... i believe in this miracle.. let us christians love one another as jesus loved us.. continue to read the bible.. continue to love.. but lastly... GOD works in mysterious ways... see you on the shore
@WHO9ER Wrong. Christ said this..."I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. Nobody comes to the Father except by me." The apparition of mary/fatima says this...."Only I can help you. My immaculate heart will be your refuge and the Way that will lead you to God." It's quite clear that someone is lying here. Christ doesn't lie to us. The apparition is the liar. The apparition is a satanic deception. "And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."
@kiwichristian2009 Well you can believe what you want to believe... If you want to think these messages of love and worry are of satan go right ahead... quote all the scripture you want... this is of GOD not satan...PERIOD... satan does not want nonbelievers converting.... but through marian apparaitions they do... i'm confident in my faith in christ... it's asinine to suggest these messages are evil in anyway... but like i said, believe what you want
@WHO9ER When Satan masquarades as an angel of light, he is not going to give messages of hate, he too smart for that. He just takes "messages of love", put enough poison to kill true message of God in thus he makes people unknowingly worship him and disobey God's clear message, which is in the word of God.
There is nothing biblical about Mary "appearing" to give messages of love. Jesus finished that work. Living disciples are the ones sent to preach the gospel, not spirits of the dead!
@bulyabalive But how do you explain everything Mary saying being 100% Christian? She calls for devotion to the Eucharist, which the very earliest Church saw as the Body and Blood of Jesus (See St. Ignatius of Antioch), and who are we to say we have a better interpretation than the early Church? They who put the New Testament together using the oral Tradition that was passed down from Jesus (see John 21:25). See my quotes in other replies for more info on my references.
@Whorsquini One of the fakest doctrine Rome has ever invented is the Eucharist - at least the interpretation of it. The thing is just hardcore idol. I am just amazed how a human being with brains can be made to believe that he/she is eating flesh & drinking blood! Because this is what Catholics believe! Honestly how can this thing be literal/real? Do you have any brains? Satan is just confirming what has been given to him on silver plate!
@bulyabalive John 6 shows that Jesus says we must eat his Body and Blood. He was not being only symbolic because he let disciples walk away when they heard this. If they were mistaken He would have told them so, not let them leave Him to perish. St. Ignatius of Antioch backs this view up, and who are we to say we have a better interpretation that the early Church, who put the NT together?
John 21:25 shows that the Bible alone is not everything Jesus taught. There was an oral Tradition too.
@Whorsquini Yes, I know what Jesus said in John 6 & I you also know it. So let me continue with Verse 60 "This is a hard saying; who can understand it?" Jesus responded in Vs. 61-64 "Does this offend you? what then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? IT IS THE SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE; THE FLESH PROFITS NOTHING. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK TO YOU ARE SPIRIT, & THEY ARE LIFE..." Now, wait a minute, "the flesh profits nothing! I though Jesus said we must eat His flesh? Cont/..
@Whorsquini Cont/... Yet, if the flesh profits nothing, then Jesus must be speaking in spiritual terms. And that is exactly what He says - "The words that I speak to you are spirit." In otherwords eating Jesus' "literal flesh profits nothing! If the Lord Himslef sets the contyt of the dialogue, we would do well to hear Him. He said that the words that He speaks are spirit & that the flesh profits nothing. Not clear? Peter made it even more clearer! THE CONFESION OF FAITH.. Cont/...
@Whorsquini Cont/.. Jesus asks, "Do you also want to go away? Peter replies "Lord to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. Also we have come to believe & know that You are the Christ, the Son of the lifing God." Peter did not say we have come to believe that we must eat Your flesh to live! Rather, "We know You are the Christ & we have come to believe in You as the Christ. This is what leads to life eternal, not eating Jesus' flesh. Read the entire Chapter 6, it confirms this.
@bulyabalive "The flesh profits nothing" is still ambiguous because Jesus could just as easily be making a reference to our own physical bodies perishing when left to themselves. My point still stands that He would not have let so many disciples leave over a misunderstanding, but don't take my interpretation alone, look at how the early Church, who put the NT together, interprets the Eucharist in what St. Ignatius of Antioch said. It would be arrogance to think we can interpret better. Cont...
@Whorsquini Jesus was NOT being ambiguous rather you are! "The flesh profits nothing" is what He meant and whether left to themsleves or not, physical bodies do perish. Jesus did not come to take a crowd, but rather those who believe on Him unconditionally, he does not hold on anyone. Interestingly the disciples who left understood Jesus as you understand but not as the 12 understood. Jesus contrasted the temporary benefits of the physical manna with eternal benefits of life in the Spirit.
@bulyabalive No matter how you cut it, John 6, coupled with St. Ignatius and the idea of It fulfilling the manna of the OT, definitely makes the Catholic idea of Transubstantiation very reasonable to believe and not some radical heresy that was made up out of pagan influence. It seems more likely that Mary appearing and endorsing the Catholic notion of the Eucharist, a doctrine that I have shown is very much Biblical, is mot likely of good rather than evil origin.
@bulyabalive St. Ignatius, student of St. John, said, "Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. ... They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead." - "Letter to the Smyrnaeans", paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D.
@Whorsquini I don't know how many times you people qoute Ignatius. In the Ignatius' times the word eucharist meant just thanksgiving. And that is exactly what Jesus commanded during the last supper - "in rememberance of me". How do you remember somebody when at the same time you claim to have him physically in the form of bread? However I don't accept running to Ignatiua when Paul makes the same stament clear in Corithians. Paul was inspired by God, Ignatius was not.
@bulyabalive First, St. Ignatius is important because he was one of the earliest who spoke the most clearly on the matter. Eucharist may mean thanksgiving, but it was also done with bread and wine, which Ignatius unambiguously says is Jesus' Body and Blood.
"Figure" does not take away from what I'm saying because as the Fathers collaborated they arrive at the idea of the bread and wine becoming the Body and Blood. Transubstantiation is a complicated doctrine. It is figure, but also the actual.
@Whorsquini The word Eucharist means thanksgiving, as simple as that! Simply because you & your church confuses it with the Communion of saints (gathering together and breaking of the bread in rememberance of Him) does not mean that bread becomes Jesus! Transubstantiation is just another invetion of Rome which incidentally resembles pagan practices of Bablyon & Egypt where bread was worshipped after harvest as corn & seed respectively!
What about observations from other early Church fathers?
I LOVE GOD THE FATHER, THE SON, THE HOLY SPIRIT & MARY THE VIRGIN MOTHER, ALL ANGELS IN HEAVEN, SAINTS, APOSTLES, PROPHETS & HOLY SOULS IN PURGATORY........
jbieberboy06 3 weeks ago
Mark 9:41 And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me; it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
&&&&& I think it makes it clear that we should have an open mind (and heart) for the things that come from God.
If someone (or something) can help people stay away from sin, reminding them to pray, fast, and stay celibate (or monogamous, in case of married people), how on earth can it possibly be bad?
FaithfullAlways 1 month ago
Mark 9:37 John answered him, saying: Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, who followeth not us, and we forbade him. 38 But Jesus said: Do not forbid him. For there is no man that doth a miracle in my name, and can soon speak ill of me. 39 For he that is not against you, is for you. 40 For whosoever shall give you to drink a cup of water in my name, because you belong to Christ: amen I say to you, he shall not lose his reward. (continues)
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FaithfullAlways 1 month ago
People must listen and follow the Bible with their hearts, not minds. Unless people begin to embrace the core of Christianity, there will continue to be these retarded discussions and attaining brownie points for converting to each other's religion instead of leading people to Christ. HE is LORD and if he decides to send down his mother to warn people of their evil ways and to turn back to Him, then so be it! If anyone has to make a negative remark, I do not care, I know God speaks to people
JasonGMontalbano 2 months ago
I guess everything and angel and every heavenly creature must be Satan. GOD is the overall power and HE still talks to people and gives people gifts of prophecy and gives warnings. MANY people converted to Christ as a result of these miracles. If that isn't so, then I call heresy on speaking in tongues and healing of hands and so on... And furthermore, I have encountered evil in every church. People are filled with it. The Bible is not to be torn apart and fought over.
JasonGMontalbano 2 months ago
Satan can appear as an angel of light as well. The Bible says that. Not me.
nmxterra 4 months ago
The fourth commandment tells us to honor our father and mother. Jesus honors his parents and was obedient to them. ADORATION is due to God alone. To give HONOR should not be confused with that. The bible calls Mary - blessed among women or highly favored one. Elizabeth calls her "Mother of my Lord". Jesus, hanging on the cross, calls her "Woman". It is not only a title of respect. See Revelation 12.
meng1961 4 months ago
The early christians do not have a New testament (NT) bible. It was in the Council of Hippo on 393 AD that the NT canon (27 books) was determined by catholic Bishops. The list was submitted to the Pope for approval. It was approved. Again in 397 AD in the Council of Carthage, the list was submitted by Catholic Bishops to the Pope. The Pope approved the NT canon. Without the Catholic Church, there is no NT Bible. Even Martin Luther admitted to this.
meng1961 4 months ago
Adorada Mãe, Santíssima Virgem tem Misericórdia de nós e de todo o mundo
jesusconfioemti 7 months ago
The apparition talks about repentance, prayer, lead good lives, to think about the passion of Jesus. Even Satan in "disguised form" will not talk about this. On the contrary, Satan would hate this apparition because many repented because of this apparition. Revelation of the Bible has given us a lot of warning not so much to frighten us but to bring us closer to God.
meng1961 7 months ago
@meng1961 Amen. Your exactly right. Protestants keep on bashing on Catholics when we speak of Marian apparitions. This can't be the work of the devil because, like you said, many repented. Mary our mother, pray for us! God bless you! :)
MrRocha90 5 months ago
@MrRocha90 GOOGLE "Garabandal The Newsletter of Discernment" I am a catholic by the way, just thought you might want to take a look
damienbrennan1 4 months ago
Matthew 24:24: For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
nmxterra 7 months ago 3
@nmxterra yea ,just like Meng1961 said, this is NOT the work of the devil or false prophets because many people repented due to this. PLEASE....I don't want some Protestant preaching and arguing. Just look into your heart to listen to Jesus AND Mary's words for you. Mary is OUR eternal mother and Jesus gave her to us when he was on the cross and said.."behold your children".
MrRocha90 5 months ago
@nmxterra : Ok there's nothing to argue about this BUT you are barking to a wrong tree. The Marian Apparition had been scrutinized and studied carefully before it was being recognized by the church. The message of the apparition was asking people to repent and return to the fold of Jesus. What is wrong with that? Aren't you happy if you have a mother to remind you to be good always? That means she's concern for your well being.
MegaSigbin 4 months ago
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The focus is on Catholicism as it was the first church as Jesus intended - upon this rock I build my church - St. Peter the first Pope. It is all about Jesus, his mother was sent by him as she always says. The rosary is all about worshiping Jesus - Catholics do not/are not worshiping statues that is just rubbish - the are visual aids. Do you not have photos of loved ones on display in your home? It is the same thing. A statue is just a visual aid, something to remind just like the cross.
britfun67 7 months ago
Are they really seeing Mary or are they seeing disguised angel of light (Lucifer.) What word of God said about end times. Apostle Paul warn us not to believe such things easily. Apostle John wrote us to test first. Beware Catholics watch yourself.
ferdymecheng 7 months ago
@ferdymecheng: Absolutely, this apparition was carefully scrutinized and passed the test that it was from God. The message was asking people to return to the fold of Jesus. Does that contradict to the teachings of the Bible? When God used the lifeguard as his instrument to save you from drowning yet you refused because you want God Himself to save you, then something wrong is really going on.
MegaSigbin 4 months ago
@MegaSigbin God has completed His Redemptive work. I believe in God and His Son Jesus Christ. Tell me do you believe in Mariam to save you ? ! I love and respect her because she is woman God has chosen to bore His Son. We have to be careful to believe what is contradict with the scripture. Did Lord Jesus tell us His mother will appear and warn the people. I do not find it. If you find share it to me the chapter and verse.
ferdymecheng 4 months ago
@ferdymecheng: Did I say that Our Mother Mary will save me? No. She is there to help me being saved from Eternal fire. That is why on our prayers we always say "Mary, hear our prayers". To Jesus or the Father do we Catholics only say Have Mercy On Us. I am no biblical scholar and I am only a regular Sunday mass observant but if someone would tell me/remind me to be close to Jesus, should I hate that person? Of course no. Did that person contradict to Jesus' teaching? No.
MegaSigbin 4 months ago
@MegaSigbin Apostle Paul said, God has given Holy Ghost to help believers, as we are born of His Spirit. Lord Himself said we can pray to God the Father in His Name. Because of Christ's eternal sacrifice now we are able come before God to pray as written in the Book of Hebrew. What do you think of this ?
ferdymecheng 3 months ago
@ferdymecheng: Helping to be saved is very much different with Saving itself. U can tell a tree by its fruits, in other words, you'd be able to find out the message & understand its entirety if it is relevant to the current times & if it makes you closer to God. With it, you'll know that the messge is from Jesus. In short, fruits is to message of Salvation as tree is to Jesus. By the way, did the Holy Bible wrote that Jesus went to the bathroom? No. Mary's message is to cement our faith w/ God
MegaSigbin 4 months ago
@ferdymecheng: U can tell a tree by its fruits, in other words, you'd be able to find out the message and understand its entirety if it is relevant to the current times and if it makes you closer to God. With it, you'll know that the message is from Jesus. In short, fruits is to message of Salvation as tree is to Jesus. And by the way, did the Holy Bible wrote that Jesus went to the bathroom? No. That's why we have a common sense to begin with. Mary's message is clear - To cement our faith 2 God
MegaSigbin 4 months ago
@MegaSigbin .....Thank U; dear Tradition tell us Mary help us to be closer to God. Bible tell us Holy Spirit help us to be with God which is correct !? Mariam did gave birth Lord Jesus and scripture says He is the Eldest Brother of all saved Human race as He is the first to be raised from the death but same scripture tells us its the Holy Spirit who give birth to every believers in Christ. Further scripture does not support that in latter days Mariam will appear and warn the people.
ferdymecheng 3 months ago
@ferdymecheng: Once and for all, Mother Mary CANNOT save me but HELPS to save me. Let's be clear on that. The mere fact that she is the Mother of Jesus our God, she is Mother of Our God too. Does it make sense? If you listen to your friend, how much more to your mom telling you? And with your critical thinking and open heart, please tell me if her message of repentance and staying away from sins make you go farther from God the Father? Remember Pride is a deadly sin.
MegaSigbin 3 months ago
@ferdymecheng: I don't claim to know all the verse in the Bible as I can't even correctly quote one. I am just a regular Sunday mass observer. If pride consumes me due to self-acclaimed intellegence, then I prefer to not have one. Man's wisdom is foolishness to God. If you're only basis is the Bible because of Sola Scriptura, then we won't end this debate as we have different views and you miss the other half.
MegaSigbin 3 months ago
@ferdymecheng: Like what Ive told you earlier, do you find any verse in the Bible saying Jesus went to the bathroom or choose what to wear for the day? NONE. Mary is our Mother and the bible didn't say she'll warn us when the time is near BUT you'll know that a mother will always remind her kids to always stay away from danger. JESUS going to the bathroom - NOT in the Bible but YOU KNOW HE did. Mary appears & warns - NOT in the Bible BUT you KNOW a Mother does everything to save her children.
MegaSigbin 3 months ago
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ferdymecheng 3 months ago
@MegaSigbin JESUS going to the bathroom - NOT in the Bible but YOU KNOW HE did. Such notion is ingrained in Catholic Traditional believe. You said mother trying to save her children such as brown scapular. She said, "Whosoever dies clothed in this (Scapular) shall not suffer eternal fire." (Our Lady's Promise made July 16, 1251 A.D. to Saint Simon Stock).This is seriously contradict with the Holy Scripture what do you think about this.
ferdymecheng 3 months ago
These apparitions do not, in a direct way give glory to Jesus, our Lord and Saviour. Instead, the focus is always on catholicism and on Mary. Shrines are built in her honor where she is worshipped (idolatry). The devil also appears as an angel of light to take the focus off of Jesus who is the Way, the Truth and the Life; the only mediator between God and man, and by whom we must be saved. We cannot earn our way to heaven by good works or merits, but by the price Jesus paid on the Cross.
MsOliveLeaf 8 months ago
@MsOliveLeaf How about...BEWARE Protestants and all your selfish nonsense. It seems that at every instance, Protestants find something to bash on Catholics (Mary, the pope, purgatory, eucharist, saints etc.). How about the last commandement Jesus gave us...."Love one another."......and your a fellow Christian just like the rest of us? NOT a Catholic Christian....but a Protestant Christian...someone who follows Martin Luther and NOT Jesus's Gospel....sorry, but it's the truth. I'll pray for you.
MrRocha90 5 months ago
@MrRocha90 Wow, talk about Christian love. Sounds like I struck a nerve threre. Martin Luther's Gospel IS the Gospel of Jesus. Read your Bible and don't put your trust in religion. Pray for yourself that you find the Truth. You will find it in Scripture, and then back it up with your religion.
MsOliveLeaf 5 months ago
@MsOliveLeaf Actually Martin's Luther's gospel was just made up in 1517. As opposed to the true gospel which is 2,000 years old. And by the way, a "religion" is a set of beliefs and or practices. So Christianity is a even though it is a truly a relationship with Jesus it also a "religion" in the sense that it is a "set of beliefs and or practices" And in fact the Bible says a Christian's acts are "true religion" (see James 1:27). And by the way, the Catholic Church canonized "scripture".
DavidVelezPerez 5 months ago 4
@DavidVelezPerez Okay, if Martin Luther was wrong in his interpretation of the Gospel, then what IS the true Gospel ?
MsOliveLeaf 5 months ago
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DavidVelezPerez 5 months ago
@MsOliveLeaf Jesus Christ's 2,000 gospel. Oh and by the way, WE DON'T WORSHIP MARY.
DavidVelezPerez 5 months ago
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God rebukes mary worship
Luke 11:27,28
And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company LIFTED UP her voice & said unto Him, BLESSED is the WOMB that BARE THEE & the PAPS which thou hast sucked. BUT HE SAID, Yea RATHER, BLESSED are THEY that HEAR the WORD of GOD & KEEP IT"
Everytime you say a hail mary prayer your putting her on same level as the Holy Trinity. ALL prayers should be addressed to JESUS, ALONE. Jesus created mary she is a mortal NOT divine
1978dagreat 9 months ago
This fear is sign that these messages are not authentic.
elijahjohnhelper 10 months ago
If the end of times happens tomorrow.... are you ready?...are you prepared?....we are talking about facing our lives....our eternity in heaven or hell, the truth is that our hands are half empty....may be it won´t be enough...I think Garbandal it´s an oportunity for us to change and be as good as we can....so seize the day...this supernatural phenomena of Garabandal is warning all of us...are you listening?
jesuaj 11 months ago
Conchita is now 60, Malaquias positions Benedicto XVI as the penultimate pope, Saint Nilo in 430 predicts the communication with another person at the extreme of the world would be possible, when the antichrist gets to earth: carnal sins, homosexuality, lust, greed, and murder will rull the society. Recently the aparition in Zeitun Egyp again, and the sun in Medugorie makes me remember Fatima...John Paul the Second janury 20 of 1982 said: we are in the heart of the prophecies of LaSalette.
jesuaj 11 months ago
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Pharoahogc 11 months ago
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****CALLING ALL CATHOLICS****
It's come to my attention that President Obama always keeps a Miraculous Medal in his pocket.
Isn't it ironic that the President is pro-abortion, yet he keeps the Medal of the Immaculate Conception on him, at all times?
Let's pray to Immaculate Mary for the President, that he has a change of heart and ends legalized abortion.
It's not called the Miraculous Medal for nothing.
Oh, Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. Amen.
TenderTrap86 11 months ago 2
A new book about Garabandal apparitions show theintimate relation bewteen the messages and prophecies there and more than 400 Bible quotes. Additionally 3 already saints (St. Pio Pietralcina, St. Josemaria and St. Maravillas de Jesus) plus a Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcuta and 2 Popes (Paul VI & John Paul II) had made favorable statements about Garabandal. Book title is "Garabandal, 50 años despues" and published still only in spanish
sedes333 11 months ago
A new book about Garabandal apparitions show theintimate relation bewteen the messages and prophecies there and more than 400 Bible quotes. Additionally 3 already saints (St. Pio Pietralcina, St. Josemaria and St. Maravillas de Jesus) plus a Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcuta and 2 Popes (Paul VI & John Paul II) had made favorable statements about Garabandal. Book title is "Garabandal, 50 años despues" and published still only in spanish
sedes333 11 months ago
EWTN has a good article on Garabandal. It will come up if you google ewtn and click on second link. I know of someone writing a book on the apparitions right now.... Supposedly this person is trying to find someone to publish his book. His book looks at the apparitions of Garabandal in light of prophecies of Catholic saints related to a coming era of peace prophesied by everyone from St. Catherine of Sienna, to St. Ephram to Our Lady of Fatima
TheDesertland 1 year ago
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Interestingly, the, Bishop never condemns the apparitions. He simply states that the supernatural character of the said apparitions could not be confirmed. He states: the supernaturality of the referenced apparitions was not proven. Unfortunately it would seem that many took this to mean that the said apparitions were condemned by Rome or Santander Diocese. This is not the case.
TheDesertland 1 year ago
-_- It's amazing to find people making Mary something than just a simple woman who was obedient enough to God to be the mother of Christ...
Jesus, help these people turn to YOU and YOU ONLY.
Catastraphecdv 1 year ago
@Catastraphecdv mary was the immaculate conception buddy not just any woman ok
mufc99ok 1 year ago
@Catastraphecdv firstly mary is the mother of jesus christ and a crucial intercesser between jesus and man , mary is the immaculate conception and mother of the whole world so a little respect is due
mufc99ok 1 year ago
@Catastraphecdv, Ad Jesum per Mariam! "Son, behold thy mother- Mother, behold thy son." "God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart." Catholics simply (and logically) revere what God Himself revered. Jesus loved and honored His mother, and asked us to do the same while He was dying on the cross. Read the gospels. Read Luke especially. "All generations shall call me blessed."
acebabam 1 year ago
Before you do penance and visit the Blessed Sacrament, you have to first "lead good lives??" Ridiculous! This is not Catholic. Prayer, penance, sacrifice, yes. But only God's grace will save you- not your "good works" alone. Our Lady of Fatima!!! Pray to HER. This is a bunch of nonsense.
acebabam 1 year ago
@acebabam let me tel lyou the only nonsence i here is from you read the messages of fatima you just might learn something
mufc99ok 1 year ago
@mufc99ok I have read the message of Fatima many times. I have a great devotion to Our Lady of Fatima. Her message is very clear- God wants to spread devotion to her Immaculate Heart through the consecration of Russia. He has also called for the Five First Saturdays of reparation. Make sacrifices for poor sinners who have no one to pray for them. How is any of that contrary to my first comment?
acebabam 1 year ago
@acebabam well since 62 the world has grown much much worse our lady was telling the whole world to lead good lifes and stop offending god like at fatima , well the world has not changed one single bit ,like you ive great devotion to our lady especailly the rosary but our lady is never wrong what she said about the priesthood was right
mufc99ok 1 year ago
@acebabam well since 62 the world has grown much much worse our lady was telling the whole world to lead good lifes and stop offending god like at fatima , well the world has not changed one single bit ,like you ive great devotion to our lady especailly the rosary shes never wrong
mufc99ok 1 year ago
@mufc99ok I agree that Our Lady does not lie, but that does not mean that everyone who says they see Our Lady really sees Our Lady. Many people have been tricked by the devil. By their fruits you shall know them.
acebabam 1 year ago
@acebabam padre pio said he saw the miracle what about the priest who died of joy , our blessed lady was right about the priesthood , like whos really behind all that clerical abuse the devil because he knows that priests are really the only ones who have the power to cast him out , keep priests in your prayers will there human too they are the only ones who can consecrate noone else
mufc99ok 1 year ago
@mufc99ok Of course! I am enrolled in the Prayer Crusade for Priests and pray for them every day. I agree that only priests can touch the sacred Hosts. I agree that the devil is the one responsible for the abuse scandals, but there are human beings who do his bidding. Many are part of the hierarchy of the Church itself. "The smoke of satan has entered the church." Read "School of Darkness" by Bella Dodd or "The Devil's Final Battle" for the truth that few want to tell or hear.
acebabam 1 year ago
@acebabam In answer to questions about the alleged Marian apparitions at Garabandal, Spain, Bishop Jose Vilaplana sends the following response to inquirers:
Some people have been coming directly to the Diocese of Santander (Spain) asking about the "alleged apparitions" of Garabandal, and above all for the position of the hierarchy of the Church concerning these apparitions.
I must communicate that:
acebabam 1 year ago
@acebabam 1. All the bishops of the diocese from 1961 through 1970 asserted that the supernatural character of the said apparitions, that took place around that time, could not be confirmed. [no constaba].*
2. In the month of December of 1977 Msgr. del Val, Bishop of Santander, in union with his predecessors, affirmed that in the six years of being Bishop of Santander there were no new phenomena.
acebabam 1 year ago
@acebabam 3. Not withstanding, the same Msgr. del Val, the first years having passed in which there was confusion to enthusiasm, initiated an interdisciplinary study in order to examine with greater profundity these phenomenon. The conclusion of this study coincided with the previous findings by the bishops, which is to say, that it does not prove [no consta] the supernaturality of said apparitions.
acebabam 1 year ago
@acebabam 4. This study concluded during the days in which I took possession of the diocese in 1991. Taking advantage, in that same year, of a trip to Rome for the motive of making the ad limina visit, I presented said study to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and asked for guidance for pastoral activity concerning the case.
acebabam 1 year ago
@acebabam 5. On Nov. 28, 1992, the Congregation sent me its response, consisting in, that after having examined attentively the mentioned documentation, it did not consider it opportune to intervene directly, removing the ordinary jurisdiction of the Bishop of Santander, this subject that belongs to him by right. Previous declarations of the Holy See agree in this finding.
acebabam 1 year ago
@acebabam In the same letter it was suggested, if I find it opportune, to publish a declaration in which it is re-affirmed that the supernaturality of the referenced apparitions was not proven, making my own the unanimous position of my predecessors.
acebabam 1 year ago
@acebabam 6. Given that the declarations of my predecessors, who studied the case, have been clear and unanimous, I do not find it necessary to have a new public declaration that would give notoriety to something which happened so long ago. However, I find it opportune to redact this information as a direct response to the persons who ask for direction concerning this question, which I give finally, accepting the decisions of my predecessors and the direction of the Holy See.
acebabam 1 year ago
@acebabam 7. In reference to the celebration of the Eucharist in Garabandal, following the dispositions of my predecessors, I only allow that it be celebrated in the parish church without reference to the alleged apparitions and with the permission of the current pastor, who has my confidence.
acebabam 1 year ago
@acebabam With the wish that this information is helpful to you, receive my cordial greeting in Christ,
Jose Vilaplana
Bishop of Santander
acebabam 1 year ago
@acebabam hi father could you tell whats the churchs veiw on garabandal like fatima , akita its a very serious message
mufc99ok 1 year ago
@mufc99ok I am not a priest. I was just quoting the Bishop of Santander, Jose Vilaplana, where he states the church's official position on the apparitions: " The conclusion of this study coincided with the previous findings by the bishops, which is to say, that it does not prove [no consta] the supernaturality of said apparitions." In other words, the church could find nothing through her exhaustive investigations that proved without doubt that these apparitions were of God.
acebabam 1 year ago
@acebabam garabandal is a follow on of the fatima mesage
mufc99ok 1 year ago
You shalt not make for yourself a carved image or likeness of anything in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them, etc. Also see Deuteronomy 4: 15-16, lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure, male or female.
Deuteronomy 5:8; Exodus 20:4-6
This commandment of Almighty God commands us that we should not make or have any holy statues/images as part of our worship.
MrTruthhurts777 1 year ago
there's no such thing.As there is only one god and u confess to him not to a priest or a rosary!!!!!!!!
queenmother2010 1 year ago
@queenmother2010: What is wrong with the Rosary? Have you ever recited it? Our Father is the very same prayer that Jesus himself taught us what to say. Please read the bible. That is true too with the Hail Mary - they are words that came out from the mouth of Elizabeth when she saw Mary was pregnant with Jesus.
MegaSigbin 4 months ago
CONFESSION PENANCE ROSARY NOW
mufc99ok 1 year ago
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They were more likely delusional or lying.
Ninyyin 1 year ago
The first is the son
heartofzorro 1 year ago
Look at your self do you not be on you tube buts its the fact that you don't understand that were trying to get at all of you that the lord is returning someday and he will only take his people and your not on of them because you don't know the truth .satin's name is not out of the bible you have just made up a pile of lies.it would fit you better if u went and read the bible!!!!!............................
queenmother2010 1 year ago
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queenmother2010 1 year ago
Peter was the first pope. He was also instrumental in constructing the complete bible, that of the roman catholic church. He was also written in the bible as "the rock in whom I will build my church". All early Christians considered him as pope. Only after several centuries did certain people consider the "pope" as a purely catholic idea.
michaelmedina79 1 year ago
@michaelmedina79 You are in grave error. Jesus did not say to Peter that 'on you I will build my church' Jesus would build His church on the confession that Peter made because Peter confessed Jesus as The Christ, The son of the living God. All those who confess Christ as God and Saviour become sons of God and members of the living church.
MrTruthhurts777 1 year ago
as for having the complete bible. all bibles today descended from the books compiled by the roman catholic church. most sects removed parts of that bible and only included the parts which "agree" with there religion. as for satanists not believing in the bible. all there descriptions of the devil and even the word satan comes from the bible.
michaelmedina79 1 year ago
in the Old Testament Elijah was summoned by a medium and he castigated the medium saying that it was wrong. hence the mistake of some that trust in mediums and hence the mistake of some that souls of the dead can't be communicated with. they can be. they just shouldn't be summoned.
michaelmedina79 1 year ago
as for those that would say that why there's suffering in the world. let me ask you this. why we're you put in this world? what's your purpose? "ano ka singaw?" are you made to increase suffering? or decrease it?
michaelmedina79 1 year ago
as for those who would eventually say that "seeing, touching, tasting, or hearing is believing". let me ask you one question: have you seen, touched, tasted, or heard your brain? just a joke. hehehe. but something to think about. for that matter has anyone done the same to historical figures? or for that matter Donald Trump pwera the seeing and hearing? :-).
michaelmedina79 1 year ago
just post positive and constructive comments please. as Catholics and Christians we should show that we are Christ-like. emulating the ranters attitudes would only inspire them because that is the reaction they are looking for. post something educated and well-explained and they'd run out of rants or just get-tired. as i would guess most of the ranters eventually get. it's not a debate in the view of an educated Christian/Catholic. it's more of just presenting the facts.
michaelmedina79 1 year ago
wise up you musn't know to much!!!!!!!!
queenmother2010 1 year ago
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queenmother2010 1 year ago
Ave Maria Gratia Plena
kodachromefilm 1 year ago
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It tells us in the bible that there is only ONE God.It says in the book of Galations ch1 v 8 that anyone who preaches any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you let him be accursed.I can tell you you now that your church is wrong because there is only one god and that is the god above.
queenmother2010 1 year ago
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There is no such place as limbo or purgatory, poor souls open your eyes to the truth.
queenmother2010 1 year ago
pauls epistle tells us there can be no fellowship between light and darkness,so therefore the church of rome is in darkness the pope antichrist who sets himself up as god is blasphemous there is only one mediator between god and man and that is the lord jesus not mary.When we die we go to one of two places heaven or hell,there is a great gulf fixed and no one can contact the soul.Cemetary sunday is complete nonsense there is no communication for any one to pray to these souls who have died.
queenmother2010 1 year ago
@queenmother2010 You are correct in what you say. There is only one mediator between man and God and that is Jesus Christ. Mary is NOT a mediator, though Catholics call her one. Mary is indeed the blessed mother of Jesus and is now in eternal bliss with the risen saviour and will be called blessed forever. As a Christian, I love Mary and can't wait to meet her, but my trust is only in Jesus Christ for my salvation for there is no other name given among men by which we must be saved.
MrTruthhurts777 1 year ago
"To all those who believe in God, no explanation is necessary. To all those who do not believe in God, no explanation is possible!"
Maximvs2 1 year ago
oh my jesus forgive us our sins save us from the fires of hell lead all souls to heaven especially those in most need of thy mercy , amen
mufc1970ok 1 year ago
confession penance rosary, now
mufc1970ok 1 year ago
I'm confused. I heard that the only video taken of the event was on a little 8mm black and white camera. If the picture at 3:40 is a still from that video, is there anyway to watch the full video online? Also, the color video at 3:33 seems to be showing the girl at a different angle than the black and white picture at 3:40. I'm wondering how many videos exist of this event, and if it's possible to find a full video online?....thanks!
satanasgirl 1 year ago
The hills look nice I want to play in them.
Any gay bars in Garabandal?
LULZ
Drazhenko 1 year ago
@Drazhenko a liitle respect is due , prick
mufc1970ok 1 year ago
@mufc1970ok
Fuck you and your terrorist god
Drazhenko 1 year ago
@Drazhenko what an idiot you are , read the fatima prayer i posted it just might save your soul , god is watching what we all do there no getting away with it
mufc1970ok 1 year ago
@mufc1970ok
I used to say that prayer all the time and go to Mass daily.
Today I am an Atheist, thank God.
Drazhenko 1 year ago
@Drazhenko you wont be as smart when its your turn to stand infront of him
mufc1970ok 1 year ago
@mufc1970ok
I bet i won't. Very sick terrorist God who enjoys seeing people suffer.
Drazhenko 1 year ago
@Drazhenko no you see if everyone obeyed god we would not suffer as much as we do do today but people refuse to obey and god will not be mocked
mufc1970ok 1 year ago
@mufc1970ok
Obeying "god" is not possible
Drazhenko 1 year ago
@Drazhenko the ten ten commandments ring a bell
mufc1970ok 1 year ago
@mufc1970ok
Well I'm not mentally challenged enough to believe in the fairytale known as the Bible.
Drazhenko 1 year ago
@Drazhenko oh thats right god gave us the bible so idiots like you can mock it , everything in the bible is true , its the mind of god in abook but your just too ignorant to understand this
mufc1970ok 1 year ago
@mufc1970ok
Lol, you're funny.
Drazhenko 1 year ago
@Drazhenko your a gobshite
mufc1970ok 1 year ago
@mufc1970ok
Spoken like a true Catholic.
Will you molest me now?
Drazhenko 1 year ago
@Drazhenko fuck you , ya wanker
mufc1970ok 1 year ago
@mufc1970ok
I see you are living Mary's messages
Drazhenko 1 year ago
@Drazhenko like yourself ,,,,,,,,,em not , i only go to daily mass , daily rosary regular confession you know catholic stuff but you choose to mock god i choose to praise him
mufc1970ok 1 year ago
@Drazhenko no not molest u but pray for you that the lord pours grace upon your soul before u die. for i will say this friend i hope and pray that your last words is father forgive me for my sins. love u brother in christ
lagmoredude1 1 year ago
@lagmoredude1
I'd rather worship satan. At least he doesn't send his children to hell.
Drazhenko 1 year ago
@Drazhenko 1st hate should be responded to with love 2nd theres no use debating a man who made up his mind 3rd God did do something to help people suffering, He put "us" in this world, unfortunately there are those that don't listen to Him and follow His will ergo more suffering. admittedly there are those within the Christian community that are "complacent" in alleviating suffering.
michaelmedina79 1 year ago
@Drazhenko another thing if you're so concerned about suffering do something about it rather than flaming on you tube. also it is a fact that a large percentage of "charitable work" is done by or through the Catholic Church. if you even bothered to look that up. that's alleviating suffering. not ranting on you tube.
michaelmedina79 1 year ago
@Drazhenko i have yet to see a largescale effort by satanists to help people in need. so it seems your on the wrong team if you want to alleviate suffering in this world. and for that matter your rants are divisive. ecumenical work by the catholic church seeks to unite in love all of the faiths, including muslim and other religions pwera satanism. your rants however are counterproductive to this.
michaelmedina79 1 year ago
@Drazhenko as for the people cursing this person. that's really unChrist-like. the greatest among His commandments is to Love. Look it up in Corinthians. God would want us to school him not increase His hate. debate is really pretty much useless to those who made up there mind. so the best thing to do is pray for him. atheists and satanists are those that need our love the most.
michaelmedina79 1 year ago
@Drazhenko generally as in most cases those that post hate rants on Christian/Catholic videos are either uneducated about the topic or mis-educated. and the only proper action is to educate them. so read up and study your scripture. Be a Catholic Apologist or a Christian Apologist. they're badly needed in this hate filled society.
michaelmedina79 1 year ago
These girls are simple county folk who are very innocent and would not have the capacity to make up such a fantastic lie. This is obviously some thing of the super natural .
opencurtin 1 year ago
That's some crazy shit. Creepy. That's why I became a muslim. :))
animosanbeda21 1 year ago
@animosanbeda21 your going further and further from christ and from salvation , this is exactly what the devil wants , the catholic church is being attacked today like never before , the catholic church is the only way to really drive out the devil and he knows this only too well , he knows his time left on earh is very short and he wants to bring as many souls to hell with him as possible
mufc1970ok 1 year ago
@animosanbeda21 You became a Muslim and you NEVER read the Koran? You don't even know the significance to Islam of the Virgin Mary?
Me thinks you are an Idiot just trying to shock and stir up crap!
slugo4449 1 year ago
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WHAT is THE TRUTH about JESUS & HIS MOTHER MARY? Simply A JEW JESUS didn't DIE on THE CROSS &so HIS PUPILS STOLE "so called HIS BODY" from THE TOMB as ROMAN SOLDIERS TOLD &so ROMAN SOLDIERS were LOOKING for ALIVE JESUS & HIS MOTHER &HIS PUPILS as SWINDLERS! So JESUS & HIS MOTHER had to ESCAPE from THE TERRITORY where THEY were KNOWN VERY WELL. So JEWS PROPAGATED A SWINDLE that JESUS & HIS MOTHER MARY CAME to THE SKY! So ROMAN EMPERORS DECIDED to CRUCIFY "so called FIRST CHRISTIANS" as SWINDLERS!
Anna27051962 1 year ago
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stevenboe222 1 year ago
It is not a miracle, It's an evil's lie! Don't believe this!
cacafito 1 year ago
@cacafito You see and after seeing the miracle at 3:20 you still don't believe. Your heart is as hard as stone. Thats how blind you are.
checkthisout732 1 year ago 2
@cacafito , how do you know , it maybe could be really god? how do you prove that? or just talk fot talk?
feder231 1 year ago
@feder231 The Bible says that, that's how I can prove it, I would luike to invite yo to read It.
cacafito 10 months ago
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@bulyabalive my friend, in time you will believe, when you see with your eyes. Just try and open your heart so that you will not believe when it is too late.
akadaz01 1 year ago
@bulyabalive my friend, in time you will believe, when you see with your eyes. Just try and open your heart so that you will not believe when it is too late.
akadaz01 1 year ago
@akadaz01 Believe what?
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@bulyabalive my friend, in time you will believe, when you see with your eyes. Just try and open your heart so that you will not believe when it is too late.
akadaz01 1 year ago
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@bulyabalive my friend, in time you will believe, when you see with your eyes. Just try and open your heart so that you will not believe when it is too late.
akadaz01 1 year ago
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@bulyabalive my friend, in time you will believe, when you see with your eyes. Just try and open your heart so that you will not believe when it is too late.
akadaz01 1 year ago
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@bulyabalive my friend, in time you will believe, when you see with your eyes. Just try and open your heart so that you will not believe when it is too late.
akadaz01 1 year ago
you havent answered any of my questions , the truth is you cant , with out offening me or the eucharist, when insult the eucharist , you insult jesus christ , fact , what does take with all you protestants, stubborn like the jews, how do you explain , fatima, knock, garabandal , lourdes, kibeho, akita, come on explain , here is a ffatima prayer you should learn it ,
mufc1970ok 1 year ago
@mufc1970ok What questions? How can I insult the Saviour? It is actually you who insult Him, by allowing your priests to pretent to have power over Him by calling Him from His throne in heaven and confine Him in a piece of bread baked bzy human hands!!! Fatima, Knock, Garabandal, Lourdes, Kibeho whatever are all demonic stronghold of the demon masquarading as Mary mother of Jesus. This demon is the queen of heaven, or queen of the cost, goddess of WICCA and she is fooling you, dear.
bulyabalive 1 year ago
These apparitions claim to be our co-redeemer, co-redemptrix, our intercessor, our suffering servant, universal mediator of graces, our refuge, our advocate to save us, our mediator, immaculately conceived, the savior of the world, ark of salvation, the ark of peace, the immaculate heart which will never abandon us, omni-present, ever-present, suffers on our behalf for the atonement of sins, sinless and worthy of our adoration. These are descriptions of God, not Mary. This is Satan.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
Blessed be the Mother of God! " For those who believe in God, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe in god, no explanation is possible!"
Maximvs2 1 year ago
God is Great
perlouis62 1 year ago
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Anna27051962 1 year ago
Looks like these poor kids were demonized. God doesn't contradict himself. These apparitions say pray to them. Only one mediator to be prayed to. JESUS. People under hypnosis and under voodoo spells (all thru altered states of consciousness) can do similar things. Scripture says "...Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness.." 2 Corinth. 11:14,15.
moabedom 1 year ago
@moabedom i can already tell your one of these protestant baptists who believe that the catholic church is the "whore of babylon". these are authentic visions with a true message behind them. if you don't want to believe then thats fine... our holy mother called us to jesus' love. quote all the scripture you want.. it doesn't matter.. too say these children were demonized is absolutely idiotic.. our holy mother and blessed st. michael viseted these children.. satan pollutes your mind. God Bless
WHO9ER 1 year ago
@WHO9ER The messages go totally AGAINST the Word of God. They are of satan.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 THE MESSAGES ARE NOT AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD.... Like i said.. believe what you want.. interpret the Bible as you wish... MAN... you can't comprehend the bible individually.. it makes no sense for you to tell me how to believe... i believe in this miracle.. let us christians love one another as jesus loved us.. continue to read the bible.. continue to love.. but lastly... GOD works in mysterious ways... see you on the shore
WHO9ER 1 year ago
@WHO9ER Wrong. Christ said this..."I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. Nobody comes to the Father except by me." The apparition of mary/fatima says this...."Only I can help you. My immaculate heart will be your refuge and the Way that will lead you to God." It's quite clear that someone is lying here. Christ doesn't lie to us. The apparition is the liar. The apparition is a satanic deception. "And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 Well you can believe what you want to believe... If you want to think these messages of love and worry are of satan go right ahead... quote all the scripture you want... this is of GOD not satan...PERIOD... satan does not want nonbelievers converting.... but through marian apparaitions they do... i'm confident in my faith in christ... it's asinine to suggest these messages are evil in anyway... but like i said, believe what you want
WHO9ER 1 year ago
@WHO9ER My friend. It is not a case of what i _WANT_ to believe. It is about taking Gods Word and placing it above the word of man.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@WHO9ER "Well you can believe what you want to believe...". I have shown you the proof that the messages are unbiblcal and antichrist.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@WHO9ER When Satan masquarades as an angel of light, he is not going to give messages of hate, he too smart for that. He just takes "messages of love", put enough poison to kill true message of God in thus he makes people unknowingly worship him and disobey God's clear message, which is in the word of God.
There is nothing biblical about Mary "appearing" to give messages of love. Jesus finished that work. Living disciples are the ones sent to preach the gospel, not spirits of the dead!
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@bulyabalive But how do you explain everything Mary saying being 100% Christian? She calls for devotion to the Eucharist, which the very earliest Church saw as the Body and Blood of Jesus (See St. Ignatius of Antioch), and who are we to say we have a better interpretation than the early Church? They who put the New Testament together using the oral Tradition that was passed down from Jesus (see John 21:25). See my quotes in other replies for more info on my references.
Whorsquini 1 year ago
@Whorsquini One of the fakest doctrine Rome has ever invented is the Eucharist - at least the interpretation of it. The thing is just hardcore idol. I am just amazed how a human being with brains can be made to believe that he/she is eating flesh & drinking blood! Because this is what Catholics believe! Honestly how can this thing be literal/real? Do you have any brains? Satan is just confirming what has been given to him on silver plate!
And what is you point qouting John 21:25?
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@bulyabalive John 6 shows that Jesus says we must eat his Body and Blood. He was not being only symbolic because he let disciples walk away when they heard this. If they were mistaken He would have told them so, not let them leave Him to perish. St. Ignatius of Antioch backs this view up, and who are we to say we have a better interpretation that the early Church, who put the NT together?
John 21:25 shows that the Bible alone is not everything Jesus taught. There was an oral Tradition too.
Whorsquini 1 year ago
@Whorsquini Yes, I know what Jesus said in John 6 & I you also know it. So let me continue with Verse 60 "This is a hard saying; who can understand it?" Jesus responded in Vs. 61-64 "Does this offend you? what then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? IT IS THE SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE; THE FLESH PROFITS NOTHING. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK TO YOU ARE SPIRIT, & THEY ARE LIFE..." Now, wait a minute, "the flesh profits nothing! I though Jesus said we must eat His flesh? Cont/..
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@Whorsquini Cont/... Yet, if the flesh profits nothing, then Jesus must be speaking in spiritual terms. And that is exactly what He says - "The words that I speak to you are spirit." In otherwords eating Jesus' "literal flesh profits nothing! If the Lord Himslef sets the contyt of the dialogue, we would do well to hear Him. He said that the words that He speaks are spirit & that the flesh profits nothing. Not clear? Peter made it even more clearer! THE CONFESION OF FAITH.. Cont/...
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@Whorsquini Cont/.. Jesus asks, "Do you also want to go away? Peter replies "Lord to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. Also we have come to believe & know that You are the Christ, the Son of the lifing God." Peter did not say we have come to believe that we must eat Your flesh to live! Rather, "We know You are the Christ & we have come to believe in You as the Christ. This is what leads to life eternal, not eating Jesus' flesh. Read the entire Chapter 6, it confirms this.
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@bulyabalive "The flesh profits nothing" is still ambiguous because Jesus could just as easily be making a reference to our own physical bodies perishing when left to themselves. My point still stands that He would not have let so many disciples leave over a misunderstanding, but don't take my interpretation alone, look at how the early Church, who put the NT together, interprets the Eucharist in what St. Ignatius of Antioch said. It would be arrogance to think we can interpret better. Cont...
Whorsquini 1 year ago
@Whorsquini Jesus was NOT being ambiguous rather you are! "The flesh profits nothing" is what He meant and whether left to themsleves or not, physical bodies do perish. Jesus did not come to take a crowd, but rather those who believe on Him unconditionally, he does not hold on anyone. Interestingly the disciples who left understood Jesus as you understand but not as the 12 understood. Jesus contrasted the temporary benefits of the physical manna with eternal benefits of life in the Spirit.
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@bulyabalive No matter how you cut it, John 6, coupled with St. Ignatius and the idea of It fulfilling the manna of the OT, definitely makes the Catholic idea of Transubstantiation very reasonable to believe and not some radical heresy that was made up out of pagan influence. It seems more likely that Mary appearing and endorsing the Catholic notion of the Eucharist, a doctrine that I have shown is very much Biblical, is mot likely of good rather than evil origin.
Whorsquini 1 year ago
@bulyabalive St. Ignatius, student of St. John, said, "Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. ... They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead." - "Letter to the Smyrnaeans", paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D.
Whorsquini 1 year ago
@Whorsquini I don't know how many times you people qoute Ignatius. In the Ignatius' times the word eucharist meant just thanksgiving. And that is exactly what Jesus commanded during the last supper - "in rememberance of me". How do you remember somebody when at the same time you claim to have him physically in the form of bread? However I don't accept running to Ignatiua when Paul makes the same stament clear in Corithians. Paul was inspired by God, Ignatius was not.
bulyabalive 1 year ago
@bulyabalive First, St. Ignatius is important because he was one of the earliest who spoke the most clearly on the matter. Eucharist may mean thanksgiving, but it was also done with bread and wine, which Ignatius unambiguously says is Jesus' Body and Blood.
"Figure" does not take away from what I'm saying because as the Fathers collaborated they arrive at the idea of the bread and wine becoming the Body and Blood. Transubstantiation is a complicated doctrine. It is figure, but also the actual.
Whorsquini 1 year ago
@Whorsquini The word Eucharist means thanksgiving, as simple as that! Simply because you & your church confuses it with the Communion of saints (gathering together and breaking of the bread in rememberance of Him) does not mean that bread becomes Jesus! Transubstantiation is just another invetion of Rome which incidentally resembles pagan practices of Bablyon & Egypt where bread was worshipped after harvest as corn & seed respectively!
What about observations from other early Church fathers?
bulyabalive 1 year ago