@youngbuck189 green, white, orange. Green to represent the catholic south, orange to represent the Protestant north. White to represent unity between the two.
@polofficer As an irish american i knew of the green and kind of something similar to the white but i wasnt exactly sure about the orange part. thank you for posting this comment my friend. do you believe a united ireland will happen in the next 20-30 years? I believe so but there will be conflict and the British better leave it alone and let the irish sort itself out in my opinnion
everyone keeps saying the civil war. the war against the english came 1st, then the irish went to war with eachother and the english over the north and the irish freestate soldiers, if thats civil war haddent happened i believe ireland would be united and free
Interesting statistic on Wiki where it shows the population of Ireland went down by more than half after the civil war, and is still about half what it was before. Guess half moved to USA where they could more conveniently argue with the English in everyday life without getting shot :D
This is something I don't understand, I'm from USA and I look at things like the whole Irish saga and I say, "what?" It seems similar in some ways our own civil war, where a similar proportion of our country wanted independence and a majority of its people voted for independence. When the USA or the UK hold a territory by force against its will, how does that reconcile with all the wars they fight under the banner of democracy and liberty? i.e. we forced Yugoslavia to let Kosovo secede.
Republican pricks in the WRONG country? You descend from nomadic rejects who were sent to Ireland to colonise it. Those republican pricks you speak of have blood lines on this island far outreaching yours, they are native of this land, you are merely a reject. Loyalists hate the fact that they know deep down they are imposters. A nation of a mere 3million peasants made a mockery of the Britain. I AM PROUD TO BE IRISH, PROUD OF MY HERITAGE, you are merely a loyalist rat and not of this land
I do not no which side was right or wrong, but I can see that peace was finally going to be found in Ireland but those who refused the terms decided to cause a civil war which can be worse then a war between 2 countries. Once again, I do not see myself as right or wrong but I know that with peace always comes a price.
@RichardElden it's not really my place to argue about the two states, considering i live in england, all i'm sayin is that Britain shud let go of the North, but then again, the North benefits from Britain sometimes (supposedly).
@RichardElden Say that about 7 years ago, or 30 years ago. The North isn't very prosperous itself, every country has been hit by the economy, the the government of the past 8 years' situation is irrelevant.
Ye don't realise that Britain doesn't want Northern Ireland anymore, they are a hassle, if the north all wanted to leave Britain would hand it back over faster than the Dail would ask for it. However the headstrong unionists don't want to leave, the unionists may not be welcome in Eire but their also not referred to as English by the English themselves.
@Garethbanae20iou mate u should set up a political party ur class mate and remember u dont need qualifications to be in a political party mate u get over there and get the north back assure the protestants that we aarent gonna discrimanate them and we can be united once again no more mate please do it for ireland ur very reassuring mate thanks and please do it
I lose my faith in humanity when I see such vile and bitter racial hatred arising from an ancestral conflict in which we as individuals had no part in starting. Am I, as an Englishman, automatically your enemy because of my heritage? Have I tried to oppress you in any way? Hatred doesn't achieve anything but more hatred.
@Slypaperclips Thankfully, the English aren't as hated in Ireland as the comments make them out to be, but a lot of nationalist bigots like hanging around videos like these.
So the boundary commission did well......LOL....living in Down with 5 other counties....doesn't really make me feel like a minority at all.
No United Ireland for you Dev ;) Nor will there ever be. Not being a twat, just stating the facts. And before the Irish start to shout the head off me, i aint a loyalist and im bloody well not a republican but I am a Nationalist- I would LOVE NI to be its own country. So we boader with Ireland....new flash guys! IRELAND IS NEVER GOING 2 B UNITED. FACT.
the north became an issue till nowadays because of the decision of creating borders between irish people itself which was the goal and dream of the brits cowards colons. the deputees shouldn't have left it is not an idea, a method serving the country's interests but a selfprotection towards history's journalistic image that period. brits knew the fact that an violated and 7 centuries opressed people would never unite till the end because of lack of political debates culture.
it's the famous dilema or debate (at that time irish were mixing both terms i think its the problem) between the the ink or the sword. Both are fondamental and don''t debate about persons but about ideas and when is it profitable to use theabout dev or collins method. it's only about method. michael collins himself is important for the director of this movie because each country needs to include memory in its fight and dialy life Mr Collins is one of the positive myths ireland is built on.
I seriously doubt the British would have given anything more than what they did. You probably have De Valera's decision to attack the Custom's House to at least partially thank for that one.
Britain was in a very touchy situation at the time. Many of its colonies around the globe were itching towards revolution and the protectorates assigned to it after WWI also resisted their rule. Giving in to Ireland would have been a signal that the Brits could be brought to their knees.
@braccheus1 Revolution??? Are you high? Do you know the term??? Revolution, not bloody likely. They wanted to become independent nations within the realm of the British Empire.
The treaty was not a well thawed idea, but atleast they achieved some kind of a republic that they could of used to become a larger one. Quit bashing Collins, he did what he could.
I don't like how this film paints DeValera. Regardless of what you think of both Collins and DeValera; They both loved Ireland dearly and fought for it's improvement their entire lives.
moreover they achieved more in their lifetimes than most people could comprehend.
But after watching this film you'd judge Dev a snake and Collins a traitor.
It makes for a dramatic film, but i think it's disrespectful at best. Just my opinion.
I can't believe how bad Julia Roberts is in this part, and couldn't she have even attempted an authentic accent? She was a really bad choice for Kitty.
@saphira1001 Yep, that's definately Alan Rickman, my favorite actor. He's been in Harry Potter, Galaxy Quest, Quigley Down Under, Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, The Search For John Gissing, Something The Lord Made, Sweeney Toodd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, etc.
with English law inmediately, but after a generation or so. In Ireland there was little of that except for the cities. In the countryside, there was no law but the word or will of the landlord. Britains greatest mistake was to allow this mockery of the law to continue. Had in fact Common law been applied in a proper manner, much of the grievances held today would simply not exist, and indeed I'm quite sure Ireland would be a part of Great Britain today, and fly the U.J. with pride.
Opposition against what? A piece of cloth? Or all that it stands for? You see, there's the problem in burning flags, it simply states the one who burns it stands against all the flag stands for and that is a statement you cannot reason with, therefore the notion of "opposition" is misplaced. It is, if anything, a declaration of war and well, if that isn't hatred, I honestly don't know what is.
Burning a flag has always been considered a statement of disgrace to a country. When an artist makes political statements in his works, does that require hatered?
P.S. Burning a flag never reflects disagreement with EVERYTHING a country stands for. And rarely ever, and only in specific instances, is it a declaration of war.
exactly, if any of you fuking idiots realised that the british arent welcome in OUR country then the violance will stop, if you loyalist scum are loyal to england then fuck off back to them becuase yiz arent welcome in EIRE
@adamskiano Thats a retarded statement. They're entitled to what they believe in regardless of what you think of them. It's a democracy not dictatorship or monarchy
@adamskiano plenty of your gypo pals invade our country fuckface to leech from our system like parasitic ticks, i only fuckin wish i could repatriate your fuckin countrymen from our fair shores.
How bout everybody just calm the fuck down? Ethnic factionalism has never gotten anybody anywhere productive. Ireland has a complicated and difficult history that is incredibly difficult to unwind. The only course of action that I can recommend without reservation is reasoned debate and interaction. Plus, Youtube arguments are, without exception, retarded.
@youngbuck189 I'm sitting in my house in Dublin typing this you cocksucker. The Troubles destroyed my country. Absolutley destroyed it. You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. It's time for both sides to reconcile, and build a country together.I used to go to IRA marches, Sinn Fein meetings, all that bollocks. If we got the six counties back what would we do? Treat the Protestants like second class citizens? That would start a civil war? It's time for a new start.
@adamskiano British people felt very guilty of how Irish people were treated but all of that is in the past do you really expect anyone to keep opening these old wounds?? Seriously?
dude, i love ireland to bits but killing people is not the way forward,
if worst comes of worst and in 30 years the country is still divided, then yes certainly i'll be fighting along side you for our country and every1 who wants ireland as a full republic will be brothers and sisters but for now lets stop the fighting and rejoyce in the fact that we are all Irish..
who would not have excepted it, as they did not except the treatment of the Boers, or the situation in India.
The strange thing is, IN the UK, the church (locally), the common people and the young labour movements all condemned the empire's excesses, and the minority rule of lords and old wealth held firmly to it for as long as they could. And yes, a dying beast is most dangerous, as this film so vividly depicts.
Scotland & northern England got used and abused just as much as Ireland i would suggest.Scots were thrown off land and starved(sometimes by other Scots)
I would certainly say so. But to add to your post, Indeed the English, Welsh and Scots endured much the same abuse by the landowners as did the Irish, but in Ireland, this abuse was more the rule than the exception. In England, most commoners found themselves under some protection of the ancient laws of the land (magna carta et al) but in Wales and Scotland this "bill of rights" did not apply, and old Welsh and Scots law was abolished by the English and not replaced >>>>>>
>>>a colony to be stripped bare of anything Britain needed (men, some raw materials, but most importantly, wheat)
add to that religious oppression (something I'm sorry to say the Dutch introduced to Ireland) and a by that time completely outdated and corrupted feudal system.
There really is no excuse, for even at the time the British government knew full well just how wrong their policy was, as they went to great trouble to hide its extent from the British people.
@Topnotch121 If you can imagine (and remember) the feet over your faces kept up from that nation in seven centuries or more, you will have the right idea of what Nazi troops made in only 20 months of northern Italy nazi occupation.
I must say that evertime I meet a German I wonder : what kind of man is he?
it was THE card for over 100 years but at last shot to bits in 1916 after which only full independance was an option.
Look into it, from Wolfe Tone in the 1790's to Connolly. All they wanted was HOME rule, and each time a small step was made, the British establishment took 2 steps back.
I suppose that if Britain had treated Ireland as an equal part of Great Britain, Irelands history would have been one of great industry, invention and progress instead of being condemned to serve as >>>>>>
@NickerSkids you're tripping out your box pal. I'm Scottish NEVER British and of Irish Decent. In the British National Anthem it talks of "rebellious Scots to Crush" so you're either Scottish or an English Lapdog and you're British.
England, then Scotland too raped Ireland - made slaves of the people, stole their land (this is just Cromwell, I'm speaking of) - Plantation of Protestant Scots in Ulster. Britain is nothing but an evil entity everywhere it went. Tiocfaidh Ar La
@NickerSkids You don't feel your Scottishness threatened?
Bless you boy, but are you sure you live in Scotland?
Try and spend your Scottish pounds south of the border.
Try and speak Scots (or Gaelic), the true languages of your ancestors, in any official setting.
Try and discover how names have been distorted by people who had no idea, and find out that Sauchiehall Street has nothing to do with halls, because the original Scots name was Sauchie Haugh.
@NickerSkids You don't feel your Scottishness threatened?
Bless you boy, but are you sure you live in Scotland?
Try and spend your Scottish pounds south of the border.
Try and speak Scots (or Gaelic), the true languages of your ancestors, in any official setting.
Try and discover how names have been distorted by people who had no idea, and find out that Sauchiehall Street has nothing to do with halls, because the original Scots name was Sauchie Haugh.
@NickerSkids You don't feel your Scottishness threatened?
Bless you boy, but are you sure you live in Scotland?
Try and spend your Scottish pounds south of the border.
Try and speak Scots (or Gaelic), the true languages of your ancestors, in any official setting.
Try and discover how names have been distorted by people who had no idea, and find out that Sauchiehall Street has nothing to do with halls, because the original Scots name was Sauchie Haugh.
@jamesjoyce77 Scots lowlanders had different languages and words in every second glen....... we needed a unity!
I have no probelm with my money in England, i will accept there can be issues abroad with Scottish tender.
I think you will find its the English that feel their Englishness is getting attacked,when you consider the amount of Scots in the UK cabinet at anyone time.
anyway, thanks for talking in English, my irish is not good.
@NickerSkids Neither is yer English, ye gallus haiverer. And A'm nae irishman masel.
As for unity, we had all the unity we needed under the Stuarts. Before James the Bastard, I mean. And there would be no tender problems whatsoever IN AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY that runs its own oil.
Should the day come, don't forget to send a postcard from England, will you...
@jamesjoyce77 I am comfortable in an independent Scotland, sure i might even change sides and fight for it. Im as proud as you!
However, you seem to be hinting for a certain kind of free Scotland........, a God fearing Roman one. ...........I reckon you will be waiting a while for that.
So you are a Scotsman, who loves ireland but hates England and any other Scot who doesn't?
@NickerSkids You should have either been a cop or a soothsayer, pal, given the amount of things you've gleaned. You got your glass ball with you?
Just to let your worried religious mind at peace, I couldn't care less for religion. I am happy with a lay Scotland that caters for the Church of Scotland, Wee Frees, R.C. Jews, Animism, Confucianism, and any other wondrous idea that might catch a man's mind. It's called modernity, and cosmopolitanism. It came after your Empire. Live with it.
@NickerSkids As for hating Englishmen I don't. As much as I don't hate their Scottish serfs. I despise them, which is something I wouldn't say about England.
They're selling everything they are. For money and power, as in 1707.
Finally, a curious point. I chanced here because I liked the film, and I agree with its underlying principle. Independence. I must say you are a rather funny specimen for a "self-proclaimed" Collins admirer...
@NickerSkids us and england started of with the same population now look at it look at 1 way they have effected us i would hate to be part of them and people still call ye english so it has effected your scottish ness it is not all about money and power even thow it is niece there is pride and fredoom
@NickerSkids what you wanted us to have another 100 years of oppresion yeah?? your a fucking retard lad fuck your britain you unionist prick i dont know how you can call yourself a proud scotman when you bow to the queen
@libertycaps666 I don't bow to the queen, i don't believe in unelected bodies. I seem to be in the minority though and she will stay until the majority say otherwise. Thats democracy(or should i try bomb her out?)
Last time i was in Dublin i saw plenty "oppression".Streets teaming with poverty,mums and babies begging.Is that the Brits fault?
@NickerSkids lol well you've obviously never been to dublin then ya sap cus you really have no fucking glue what your talking about, dublin may have a few impovrised areas like any big city but its nothing compared to the impoverished areas in some of englands citys and espeically scotlands citys, your just a retarded hun who jacks of to the union jack
@NickerSkids I respect that you are Scottish and thats great an all because my ancestors were Scottish but how is not being free make you a stronger country?!?! Why dont you take a lesson from us Americans and fight back! Have you forgotten what William Wallace fought for? We never gave up over here why would you? I know England is your ally but they are ours too! Scotland would be sooooo much better if it were free!
@stopcallingmekevin What is the matter with you americans. When will you understand that england, scotland and wales are in a VOLUNTARY UNION. All three countries are democratic and free. Cuba on the other hand is not free. It is under the heel of a cruel and vindictive american embargo. I wish that the cubans could fight back against the americans.
@jonoessex Haha you act like we want Cuba... Why would we? Its not like they help us at all except take over Miami! Plus if it is voluntary then im pretty sure that mean Scotland and Wales could leave whenever they felt like it... which they cant. dont get me wrong England is America's biggest ally but the fact is Scotland would be fine on its own. And btw ever heard of the Cuban missile crisis, maybe you should read up on that before you run your mouth
@NickerSkids if the english had been alittle nicer to us,we might have see british and irish as a positive,you have a point.but the ruling english class ,never really showed us any positives.
@NickerSkids No. It had nothing to do with religion. I'm strongly atheist and I have many problems with the RCC. Religion is dying out in Ireland. We were once pagans, maybe we were better off that way.
That Treaty should never have been accepted,Collins completely abandoned and alienated our sisters and brothers up the top of this country..''stepping stone'' my eye,Collins was most definately a hero..until the day he came back from London
Hey, If it weren't for that treaty, you would be British, not Irish, and our friends in the North ARE Irish, whether they are Unionist or Nationalists, Not 1 person in Northern Ireland, In my view, Is English they are no more British Then you or I
Thats in your opinion,I agree that they are Irish aswell,but because of that treaty it doesnt look like we'll ever be fully independant of Britain..so it wasnt really a 'stepping stone' because nearly 100 years on the country is still divided.There will be another war before the north and south are ever united again.
shut up talking shit.he had no choice man.what the fuck were we to do??take on britain in a war??o yea,with our fucking pitch forks wed have run out from the hills against an army weaponed an numbered far beyond our imagination.get a degree in history.
@Topnotch121 Have you ever heard of the IRA they were fighting a war against the British empire and not with pitchforks. Collins collaborated with Britain using British weapons to defeat the IRA. This is why the traitor Collins had his skull blew open by Irish heroes.
@TomBarry192I are u a fucking idiot? collins was right to accept the treaty as much as i hate to say it. if we went to war with the british we would have been fuked!
@xTradHeadx- The Treaty was the best anybody in Ireland could have gotten. And history has proven Collins correct- isn't there a Republic of Ireland today, achieved through establishment of the Irish Free State? Refusal of the Treaty meant Britain mobilizing its armed forces for a full-scale war that Ireland surely would have lost. And don't forget that some citizens in Northern Ireland, more than a few, chose to remain in the UK.
@xTradHeadx you haven't got a shred of knowledge on history. Check out the time period, ok? Post World War Britain, they were demobilizing there forces. Now at that point and time the IRA were on there knees. Britain had the option of absolutely flooding the country with soliders. Just check out the boer wars and see how far they can go to achieve victory. You my friend friend are a bonafide idiot
micheal collins is no hero, he left us in the north to rot and we rot still...in a war at least we could openly defend ourself openly but instead he left us to fend for ourself against a police force, the north is where the real troubles were not the south
The treaty was wrong and should have been opposed. It was a half measure that tore the country apart both literally and figurately and its problems endure today.
"The" treaty's irrelevant. Irish Nation State aspirations were certainly recognised by the ceasefire. Dev, Mick & all deserve great respect for achieving that.
The British establishment which is neither very british nor English, was pre-occupied with its own grasping existance, to consider anything as sophisticated as republic. Was still no great neighbour of the American colonies until post 1917.
Be pleased with 26 counties, in UK they still own our free-holds, grasping Norman Kings (1066 etc)
It means that although it presents itself as British, it is actually run mostly by the english with a small influence from colonies such as Wales and Scotland and Ireland, making the imperialists more of a seperate entity than regular english or scottish, or whatever
He went on to hold Jar Jar's tongue in Phantom Menace.
"Don't do that again." XD
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@youngbuck189 green, white, orange. Green to represent the catholic south, orange to represent the Protestant north. White to represent unity between the two.
polofficer 2 weeks ago
@polofficer As an irish american i knew of the green and kind of something similar to the white but i wasnt exactly sure about the orange part. thank you for posting this comment my friend. do you believe a united ireland will happen in the next 20-30 years? I believe so but there will be conflict and the British better leave it alone and let the irish sort itself out in my opinnion
PhilliesPhanDM5 1 week ago
Dev seems like such a Prick
jack20928 1 month ago
everyone keeps saying the civil war. the war against the english came 1st, then the irish went to war with eachother and the english over the north and the irish freestate soldiers, if thats civil war haddent happened i believe ireland would be united and free
gmsm520 1 month ago
@gmsm520
On the basis of what? Or is that just a throw away remark?
thewalls111 1 month ago
Interesting statistic on Wiki where it shows the population of Ireland went down by more than half after the civil war, and is still about half what it was before. Guess half moved to USA where they could more conveniently argue with the English in everyday life without getting shot :D
malamagr 1 month ago
This is something I don't understand, I'm from USA and I look at things like the whole Irish saga and I say, "what?" It seems similar in some ways our own civil war, where a similar proportion of our country wanted independence and a majority of its people voted for independence. When the USA or the UK hold a territory by force against its will, how does that reconcile with all the wars they fight under the banner of democracy and liberty? i.e. we forced Yugoslavia to let Kosovo secede.
malamagr 1 month ago
@MUFC127 ur youtube name is an english soccer team why not a hurling team or gaelic football team ur as bad as those other english wankers
SOCKIEtheMONSTER 2 months ago
Republican pricks in the WRONG country? You descend from nomadic rejects who were sent to Ireland to colonise it. Those republican pricks you speak of have blood lines on this island far outreaching yours, they are native of this land, you are merely a reject. Loyalists hate the fact that they know deep down they are imposters. A nation of a mere 3million peasants made a mockery of the Britain. I AM PROUD TO BE IRISH, PROUD OF MY HERITAGE, you are merely a loyalist rat and not of this land
danmakk001 3 months ago
As a man of irish decent.
I do not no which side was right or wrong, but I can see that peace was finally going to be found in Ireland but those who refused the terms decided to cause a civil war which can be worse then a war between 2 countries. Once again, I do not see myself as right or wrong but I know that with peace always comes a price.
saturdaynightjordan 8 months ago
@RichardElden well, its not for me to decide
A7XandSHIZZ 8 months ago
@RichardElden it's not really my place to argue about the two states, considering i live in england, all i'm sayin is that Britain shud let go of the North, but then again, the North benefits from Britain sometimes (supposedly).
A7XandSHIZZ 8 months ago
@RichardElden Say that about 7 years ago, or 30 years ago. The North isn't very prosperous itself, every country has been hit by the economy, the the government of the past 8 years' situation is irrelevant.
Garethbanae20iou 8 months ago
Ye don't realise that Britain doesn't want Northern Ireland anymore, they are a hassle, if the north all wanted to leave Britain would hand it back over faster than the Dail would ask for it. However the headstrong unionists don't want to leave, the unionists may not be welcome in Eire but their also not referred to as English by the English themselves.
Garethbanae20iou 9 months ago
@Garethbanae20iou mate u should set up a political party ur class mate and remember u dont need qualifications to be in a political party mate u get over there and get the north back assure the protestants that we aarent gonna discrimanate them and we can be united once again no more mate please do it for ireland ur very reassuring mate thanks and please do it
IrishRawkstar4ever 8 months ago
i fucking grew up going between Cork and Bethnal Green, but i still think its bloody stupid fact that Britian cant just let go of Northern Ireland,
A7XandSHIZZ 9 months ago
@A7XandSHIZZ You could say then that it's a bloody stupid fact that the Irish republic have agreed to Britain holding on to the north.
jonoessex 6 months ago
@jonoessex mate, i posted that 3 months ago!!!!
A7XandSHIZZ 6 months ago
@A7XandSHIZZ What has changed in the last 3 months?
jonoessex 6 months ago
@jonoessex the fact that i don't want to moan about something that i have no power over
A7XandSHIZZ 6 months ago
It's actually funny reading all these socially retarded comments.
Lesbotraitor 10 months ago
I lose my faith in humanity when I see such vile and bitter racial hatred arising from an ancestral conflict in which we as individuals had no part in starting. Am I, as an Englishman, automatically your enemy because of my heritage? Have I tried to oppress you in any way? Hatred doesn't achieve anything but more hatred.
Slypaperclips 11 months ago
@Slypaperclips Thankfully, the English aren't as hated in Ireland as the comments make them out to be, but a lot of nationalist bigots like hanging around videos like these.
Reddin1153 10 months ago
So the boundary commission did well......LOL....living in Down with 5 other counties....doesn't really make me feel like a minority at all.
No United Ireland for you Dev ;) Nor will there ever be. Not being a twat, just stating the facts. And before the Irish start to shout the head off me, i aint a loyalist and im bloody well not a republican but I am a Nationalist- I would LOVE NI to be its own country. So we boader with Ireland....new flash guys! IRELAND IS NEVER GOING 2 B UNITED. FACT.
poppy2365 11 months ago
the north became an issue till nowadays because of the decision of creating borders between irish people itself which was the goal and dream of the brits cowards colons. the deputees shouldn't have left it is not an idea, a method serving the country's interests but a selfprotection towards history's journalistic image that period. brits knew the fact that an violated and 7 centuries opressed people would never unite till the end because of lack of political debates culture.
Procer86 11 months ago
it's the famous dilema or debate (at that time irish were mixing both terms i think its the problem) between the the ink or the sword. Both are fondamental and don''t debate about persons but about ideas and when is it profitable to use theabout dev or collins method. it's only about method. michael collins himself is important for the director of this movie because each country needs to include memory in its fight and dialy life Mr Collins is one of the positive myths ireland is built on.
Procer86 11 months ago
I seriously doubt the British would have given anything more than what they did. You probably have De Valera's decision to attack the Custom's House to at least partially thank for that one.
Britain was in a very touchy situation at the time. Many of its colonies around the globe were itching towards revolution and the protectorates assigned to it after WWI also resisted their rule. Giving in to Ireland would have been a signal that the Brits could be brought to their knees.
braccheus1 1 year ago
@braccheus1 Revolution??? Are you high? Do you know the term??? Revolution, not bloody likely. They wanted to become independent nations within the realm of the British Empire.
LordWellington15 11 months ago
The treaty was not a well thawed idea, but atleast they achieved some kind of a republic that they could of used to become a larger one. Quit bashing Collins, he did what he could.
Bonnman100 1 year ago
Is amadan sibhse ma cheapan sibh go raibh Collins micheart
Tiocfaidh ar la
Nuair a thagainn se ta suil agam go gheobhamar na 6 gcuntae ar ais
Luke2e95 1 year ago
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stopcallingmekevin 1 year ago
@stopcallingmekevin I dont remember what this comment was but for some reason it got removed...
stopcallingmekevin 10 months ago
Omg, Alan Rickman sounds even sexier when he's angry... How's that even possible?
TotallyTscopeTV 1 year ago 4
bono is a cunt
simpleearthling 1 year ago
Cathal Brugha was a real envious bastard, eh?
spitfire71068 1 year ago
I don't like how this film paints DeValera. Regardless of what you think of both Collins and DeValera; They both loved Ireland dearly and fought for it's improvement their entire lives.
moreover they achieved more in their lifetimes than most people could comprehend.
But after watching this film you'd judge Dev a snake and Collins a traitor.
It makes for a dramatic film, but i think it's disrespectful at best. Just my opinion.
proof2580 1 year ago
Mocahel collins is not a traitor he onyl had 3 weeks of the war left in the IRA. However accuations about Dev are i believe cynical
paulcapon 1 year ago
Would Julia Roberts not feck off in this movie.
MossyKong 1 year ago
michael collins is a legend and all that but he has no right to call anybody traitors
eamon4800 1 year ago
RIP 36th Ulster division. The Real heroes of 1916.
UlsterScotKeith 1 year ago
Dev was a political snake
bswart61 1 year ago
I can't believe how bad Julia Roberts is in this part, and couldn't she have even attempted an authentic accent? She was a really bad choice for Kitty.
fancypantstokyo 1 year ago 2
Is that Cathal Brugha?
oniforo 1 year ago
@oniforo aye - i think so
crossybhoy 1 year ago
collins sold us out
victory to the continuity I.R.A
calBHA1 1 year ago
Dev was the Traitor not Collins.. and yet some people still love him Fuck him i would have blown his fucking head right off if i was their.
foleybarbarian 1 year ago
@saphira10001
It's Alan Rickman. He's been in just about everything;p
HannahMarisa1 1 year ago
whats is the name of the music that plays at 9mins 30seconds??? Please tell me its very relaxing ha
irishrailwaysandbus 1 year ago
0:38 enough said...
PostalDude245 1 year ago
I recognise the guy who plays deValera but I can't place him. That's going to drive me up the walls the rest of the day.
saphira1001 1 year ago
@saphira1001 Yep, that's definately Alan Rickman, my favorite actor. He's been in Harry Potter, Galaxy Quest, Quigley Down Under, Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, The Search For John Gissing, Something The Lord Made, Sweeney Toodd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, etc.
LoveThatPhantom 1 year ago
@LoveThatPhantom He's a really good actor =)
saphira1001 1 year ago
@saphira1001 Yep and as I said earlier. Alan Rickman my favorite.
LoveThatPhantom 1 year ago
Collins was president of the IRB. His position and authority in that regard were not imagined, as Brugha suggests.
mark1mod0 2 years ago
Amazing movie.. Ive always wanted to move to ireland.
Keokeokitty 2 years ago
with English law inmediately, but after a generation or so. In Ireland there was little of that except for the cities. In the countryside, there was no law but the word or will of the landlord. Britains greatest mistake was to allow this mockery of the law to continue. Had in fact Common law been applied in a proper manner, much of the grievances held today would simply not exist, and indeed I'm quite sure Ireland would be a part of Great Britain today, and fly the U.J. with pride.
5311ATB 2 years ago
"and fly the U.J. with pride. "
NEVER!
where i cum from its burnt with pride!
:)
MOBMakaveli 2 years ago
@ MOBMakaveli:
And what is all your hate going to bring, huh?
5311ATB 2 years ago 6
@ 5311ATB
it's not hate to burn a flag. it's opposition.
flom54321 2 years ago
ah i think theres a good deal of hatred involved in the buring of a flag....
Topnotch121 2 years ago 2
@flom54321
Opposition against what? A piece of cloth? Or all that it stands for? You see, there's the problem in burning flags, it simply states the one who burns it stands against all the flag stands for and that is a statement you cannot reason with, therefore the notion of "opposition" is misplaced. It is, if anything, a declaration of war and well, if that isn't hatred, I honestly don't know what is.
5311ATB 2 years ago
@5311ATB
Burning a flag has always been considered a statement of disgrace to a country. When an artist makes political statements in his works, does that require hatered?
P.S. Burning a flag never reflects disagreement with EVERYTHING a country stands for. And rarely ever, and only in specific instances, is it a declaration of war.
flom54321 2 years ago
exactly, if any of you fuking idiots realised that the british arent welcome in OUR country then the violance will stop, if you loyalist scum are loyal to england then fuck off back to them becuase yiz arent welcome in EIRE
adamskiano 2 years ago 28
@adamskiano
Érin go bragh
RealDougal 1 year ago
@adamskiano Thats a retarded statement. They're entitled to what they believe in regardless of what you think of them. It's a democracy not dictatorship or monarchy
Lesbotraitor 10 months ago
@adamskiano plenty of your gypo pals invade our country fuckface to leech from our system like parasitic ticks, i only fuckin wish i could repatriate your fuckin countrymen from our fair shores.
garethella 7 months ago
@adamskiano
N.Ireland is British, so really they are in the right country, while these republican pricks are in the wrong country.
mwillis1000 5 months ago in playlist More videos from Topnotch121
@mwillis1000 N ireland is nothing a spot in ireland forever forgotten
EBJMM 4 months ago
@adamskiano Eire? It's Ireland you ignorant cunt. Eire was the name of the Free State. And our Flags colour is Green, White AND Orange.
MUFC127 4 months ago
@MUFC127
How bout everybody just calm the fuck down? Ethnic factionalism has never gotten anybody anywhere productive. Ireland has a complicated and difficult history that is incredibly difficult to unwind. The only course of action that I can recommend without reservation is reasoned debate and interaction. Plus, Youtube arguments are, without exception, retarded.
voodoochild1990 3 months ago
@MUFC127 erie is the tradtional celtic name of ireland you ignorant cunt. ireland was what the english called it.
gmsm520 1 month ago
@gmsm520 Ignorant cunt? BWAHAHAHAHA!!! It's spelled Eire cockmuncher.
MUFC127 1 month ago
@MUFC127 It's Eire, and the flag is Green, White AND GOLD you traitorous trash.
youngbuck189 1 month ago
@youngbuck189 Gold? Are you for fucking real? It's ORANGE you fucking twat.
MUFC127 1 month ago
@MUFC127 areyou scotch-irsh or something? or just some british scumbag? no irishman in the world calls it orange, its fucking GOLD
youngbuck189 1 month ago
@youngbuck189 I'm sitting in my house in Dublin typing this you cocksucker. The Troubles destroyed my country. Absolutley destroyed it. You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. It's time for both sides to reconcile, and build a country together.I used to go to IRA marches, Sinn Fein meetings, all that bollocks. If we got the six counties back what would we do? Treat the Protestants like second class citizens? That would start a civil war? It's time for a new start.
MUFC127 1 month ago
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thewalls111 1 month ago
@youngbuck189
Have you ever read the Constitution? As per Bunreacht na hÉireann the National Flag is a tricolour of green white and orange.
thewalls111 1 month ago
@thewalls111 Orange? Really? really? really? really?
do you call yourselv Irish? because if you do i hope you die.
youngbuck189 1 month ago
@adamskiano British people felt very guilty of how Irish people were treated but all of that is in the past do you really expect anyone to keep opening these old wounds?? Seriously?
MasterDonDiamondStar 4 months ago
@MasterDonDiamondStar let us go, let us be
gmsm520 1 month ago
dude, i love ireland to bits but killing people is not the way forward,
if worst comes of worst and in 30 years the country is still divided, then yes certainly i'll be fighting along side you for our country and every1 who wants ireland as a full republic will be brothers and sisters but for now lets stop the fighting and rejoyce in the fact that we are all Irish..
banana0gangster 2 years ago
who would not have excepted it, as they did not except the treatment of the Boers, or the situation in India.
The strange thing is, IN the UK, the church (locally), the common people and the young labour movements all condemned the empire's excesses, and the minority rule of lords and old wealth held firmly to it for as long as they could. And yes, a dying beast is most dangerous, as this film so vividly depicts.
5311ATB 2 years ago
Good few points noted.
Scotland & northern England got used and abused just as much as Ireland i would suggest.Scots were thrown off land and starved(sometimes by other Scots)
The fight was a class war first surely?
NickerSkids 2 years ago 3
I would certainly say so. But to add to your post, Indeed the English, Welsh and Scots endured much the same abuse by the landowners as did the Irish, but in Ireland, this abuse was more the rule than the exception. In England, most commoners found themselves under some protection of the ancient laws of the land (magna carta et al) but in Wales and Scotland this "bill of rights" did not apply, and old Welsh and Scots law was abolished by the English and not replaced >>>>>>
5311ATB 2 years ago 2
>>>a colony to be stripped bare of anything Britain needed (men, some raw materials, but most importantly, wheat)
add to that religious oppression (something I'm sorry to say the Dutch introduced to Ireland) and a by that time completely outdated and corrupted feudal system.
There really is no excuse, for even at the time the British government knew full well just how wrong their policy was, as they went to great trouble to hide its extent from the British people.
5311ATB 2 years ago
I am Scottish and deeply admire Collins.
However,why not stay "Irish" as part of a strong Britain?
Why was that never on the cards?
i never feel my Scottish-ness threatened by being British too?
Was it religious?
NickerSkids 2 years ago
what bloody planet are you on mate?have you never heard of about the hundreds of years that bastard of a nation inflicted upon us??
Topnotch121 2 years ago 34
@Topnotch121 If you can imagine (and remember) the feet over your faces kept up from that nation in seven centuries or more, you will have the right idea of what Nazi troops made in only 20 months of northern Italy nazi occupation.
I must say that evertime I meet a German I wonder : what kind of man is he?
TSHafek 1 year ago
it was THE card for over 100 years but at last shot to bits in 1916 after which only full independance was an option.
Look into it, from Wolfe Tone in the 1790's to Connolly. All they wanted was HOME rule, and each time a small step was made, the British establishment took 2 steps back.
I suppose that if Britain had treated Ireland as an equal part of Great Britain, Irelands history would have been one of great industry, invention and progress instead of being condemned to serve as >>>>>>
5311ATB 2 years ago
@NickerSkids you're tripping out your box pal. I'm Scottish NEVER British and of Irish Decent. In the British National Anthem it talks of "rebellious Scots to Crush" so you're either Scottish or an English Lapdog and you're British.
England, then Scotland too raped Ireland - made slaves of the people, stole their land (this is just Cromwell, I'm speaking of) - Plantation of Protestant Scots in Ulster. Britain is nothing but an evil entity everywhere it went. Tiocfaidh Ar La
crossybhoy 1 year ago
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jamesjoyce77 1 year ago
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@NickerSkids You don't feel your Scottishness threatened?
Bless you boy, but are you sure you live in Scotland?
Try and spend your Scottish pounds south of the border.
Try and speak Scots (or Gaelic), the true languages of your ancestors, in any official setting.
Try and discover how names have been distorted by people who had no idea, and find out that Sauchiehall Street has nothing to do with halls, because the original Scots name was Sauchie Haugh.
jamesjoyce77 1 year ago
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@NickerSkids You don't feel your Scottishness threatened?
Bless you boy, but are you sure you live in Scotland?
Try and spend your Scottish pounds south of the border.
Try and speak Scots (or Gaelic), the true languages of your ancestors, in any official setting.
Try and discover how names have been distorted by people who had no idea, and find out that Sauchiehall Street has nothing to do with halls, because the original Scots name was Sauchie Haugh.
jamesjoyce77 1 year ago
@NickerSkids You don't feel your Scottishness threatened?
Bless you boy, but are you sure you live in Scotland?
Try and spend your Scottish pounds south of the border.
Try and speak Scots (or Gaelic), the true languages of your ancestors, in any official setting.
Try and discover how names have been distorted by people who had no idea, and find out that Sauchiehall Street has nothing to do with halls, because the original Scots name was Sauchie Haugh.
jamesjoyce77 1 year ago
@jamesjoyce77 Scots lowlanders had different languages and words in every second glen....... we needed a unity!
I have no probelm with my money in England, i will accept there can be issues abroad with Scottish tender.
I think you will find its the English that feel their Englishness is getting attacked,when you consider the amount of Scots in the UK cabinet at anyone time.
anyway, thanks for talking in English, my irish is not good.
NickerSkids 1 year ago
@NickerSkids Neither is yer English, ye gallus haiverer. And A'm nae irishman masel.
As for unity, we had all the unity we needed under the Stuarts. Before James the Bastard, I mean. And there would be no tender problems whatsoever IN AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY that runs its own oil.
Should the day come, don't forget to send a postcard from England, will you...
jamesjoyce77 1 year ago
@jamesjoyce77 I am comfortable in an independent Scotland, sure i might even change sides and fight for it. Im as proud as you!
However, you seem to be hinting for a certain kind of free Scotland........, a God fearing Roman one. ...........I reckon you will be waiting a while for that.
So you are a Scotsman, who loves ireland but hates England and any other Scot who doesn't?
A grand child indeed..
NickerSkids 1 year ago
@NickerSkids You should have either been a cop or a soothsayer, pal, given the amount of things you've gleaned. You got your glass ball with you?
Just to let your worried religious mind at peace, I couldn't care less for religion. I am happy with a lay Scotland that caters for the Church of Scotland, Wee Frees, R.C. Jews, Animism, Confucianism, and any other wondrous idea that might catch a man's mind. It's called modernity, and cosmopolitanism. It came after your Empire. Live with it.
jamesjoyce77 1 year ago
@NickerSkids As for hating Englishmen I don't. As much as I don't hate their Scottish serfs. I despise them, which is something I wouldn't say about England.
They're selling everything they are. For money and power, as in 1707.
Finally, a curious point. I chanced here because I liked the film, and I agree with its underlying principle. Independence. I must say you are a rather funny specimen for a "self-proclaimed" Collins admirer...
jamesjoyce77 1 year ago
@NickerSkids To answer your question, Scotland was never a colony (at least officially-we can discuss that). It was England's partner in the Empire.
Ireland was a colony, England's first. For 800 bloody years.
jamesjoyce77 1 year ago
@NickerSkids us and england started of with the same population now look at it look at 1 way they have effected us i would hate to be part of them and people still call ye english so it has effected your scottish ness it is not all about money and power even thow it is niece there is pride and fredoom
XxXIRISHSNIPER 1 year ago
@NickerSkids what you wanted us to have another 100 years of oppresion yeah?? your a fucking retard lad fuck your britain you unionist prick i dont know how you can call yourself a proud scotman when you bow to the queen
libertycaps666 1 year ago
@libertycaps666 I don't bow to the queen, i don't believe in unelected bodies. I seem to be in the minority though and she will stay until the majority say otherwise. Thats democracy(or should i try bomb her out?)
Last time i was in Dublin i saw plenty "oppression".Streets teaming with poverty,mums and babies begging.Is that the Brits fault?
NickerSkids 1 year ago
@NickerSkids lol well you've obviously never been to dublin then ya sap cus you really have no fucking glue what your talking about, dublin may have a few impovrised areas like any big city but its nothing compared to the impoverished areas in some of englands citys and espeically scotlands citys, your just a retarded hun who jacks of to the union jack
libertycaps666 1 year ago
@NickerSkids I respect that you are Scottish and thats great an all because my ancestors were Scottish but how is not being free make you a stronger country?!?! Why dont you take a lesson from us Americans and fight back! Have you forgotten what William Wallace fought for? We never gave up over here why would you? I know England is your ally but they are ours too! Scotland would be sooooo much better if it were free!
stopcallingmekevin 1 year ago
@stopcallingmekevin What is the matter with you americans. When will you understand that england, scotland and wales are in a VOLUNTARY UNION. All three countries are democratic and free. Cuba on the other hand is not free. It is under the heel of a cruel and vindictive american embargo. I wish that the cubans could fight back against the americans.
jonoessex 10 months ago
@jonoessex Haha you act like we want Cuba... Why would we? Its not like they help us at all except take over Miami! Plus if it is voluntary then im pretty sure that mean Scotland and Wales could leave whenever they felt like it... which they cant. dont get me wrong England is America's biggest ally but the fact is Scotland would be fine on its own. And btw ever heard of the Cuban missile crisis, maybe you should read up on that before you run your mouth
stopcallingmekevin 10 months ago
@jonoessex *cough* warmonger
50TNCSA 3 months ago
@NickerSkids if the english had been alittle nicer to us,we might have see british and irish as a positive,you have a point.but the ruling english class ,never really showed us any positives.
col52 9 months ago
@NickerSkids
Be proud and independent, NickI.
You have your own language and your own music and your own sports.
You are also lucky enough to be able to survive economically independent.
When the Iraq war broke out, they sent the Scottish troops out as cannon fodder.
Don't fool yourself. Those with the power in England think they are superior.
Tuigim 8 months ago
@NickerSkids No. It had nothing to do with religion. I'm strongly atheist and I have many problems with the RCC. Religion is dying out in Ireland. We were once pagans, maybe we were better off that way.
scientific1982 7 months ago
That Treaty should never have been accepted,Collins completely abandoned and alienated our sisters and brothers up the top of this country..''stepping stone'' my eye,Collins was most definately a hero..until the day he came back from London
xTradHeadx 2 years ago
Hey, If it weren't for that treaty, you would be British, not Irish, and our friends in the North ARE Irish, whether they are Unionist or Nationalists, Not 1 person in Northern Ireland, In my view, Is English they are no more British Then you or I
MrMe345 2 years ago
Thats in your opinion,I agree that they are Irish aswell,but because of that treaty it doesnt look like we'll ever be fully independant of Britain..so it wasnt really a 'stepping stone' because nearly 100 years on the country is still divided.There will be another war before the north and south are ever united again.
xTradHeadx 2 years ago
shut up talking shit.he had no choice man.what the fuck were we to do??take on britain in a war??o yea,with our fucking pitch forks wed have run out from the hills against an army weaponed an numbered far beyond our imagination.get a degree in history.
Topnotch121 2 years ago 11
@Topnotch121 Have you ever heard of the IRA they were fighting a war against the British empire and not with pitchforks. Collins collaborated with Britain using British weapons to defeat the IRA. This is why the traitor Collins had his skull blew open by Irish heroes.
TomBarry192I 10 months ago
@TomBarry192I are u a fucking idiot? collins was right to accept the treaty as much as i hate to say it. if we went to war with the british we would have been fuked!
MrAwsome0808 9 months ago
@MrAwsome0808 We were already at war with the British as I pointed out on the above comment.
TomBarry192I 9 months ago
@xTradHeadx- The Treaty was the best anybody in Ireland could have gotten. And history has proven Collins correct- isn't there a Republic of Ireland today, achieved through establishment of the Irish Free State? Refusal of the Treaty meant Britain mobilizing its armed forces for a full-scale war that Ireland surely would have lost. And don't forget that some citizens in Northern Ireland, more than a few, chose to remain in the UK.
Jurassic0Al 1 year ago 2
@xTradHeadx you haven't got a shred of knowledge on history. Check out the time period, ok? Post World War Britain, they were demobilizing there forces. Now at that point and time the IRA were on there knees. Britain had the option of absolutely flooding the country with soliders. Just check out the boer wars and see how far they can go to achieve victory. You my friend friend are a bonafide idiot
Lesbotraitor 10 months ago
the biggest hero ever
TEMME101 2 years ago
micheal collins is no hero, he left us in the north to rot and we rot still...in a war at least we could openly defend ourself openly but instead he left us to fend for ourself against a police force, the north is where the real troubles were not the south
XXCOLONELxxCLOZXX 2 years ago
without Collins it would have been 32 counties rotting instead of 6.
sully1865 2 years ago 4
bang on man.well put lad.
Topnotch121 2 years ago
noo
michael collins was right to go with the treaty
otherwise there would have been a huge war and would have torn the whole country apart!!
Yeeeeeaaaaasssss 2 years ago 2
The treaty was wrong and should have been opposed. It was a half measure that tore the country apart both literally and figurately and its problems endure today.
Questor360 2 years ago
"The" treaty's irrelevant. Irish Nation State aspirations were certainly recognised by the ceasefire. Dev, Mick & all deserve great respect for achieving that.
The British establishment which is neither very british nor English, was pre-occupied with its own grasping existance, to consider anything as sophisticated as republic. Was still no great neighbour of the American colonies until post 1917.
Be pleased with 26 counties, in UK they still own our free-holds, grasping Norman Kings (1066 etc)
SALTYWOOFHOUND 2 years ago
SALTYWOOFHOUND:
"The British establishment which is neither very british nor English, was " ? What on earth does this mean???
stedav 2 years ago
It means that although it presents itself as British, it is actually run mostly by the english with a small influence from colonies such as Wales and Scotland and Ireland, making the imperialists more of a seperate entity than regular english or scottish, or whatever
CenturyGamer 2 years ago
great man
naughton101 2 years ago