Brady easily. do people really have to ask this question ? Brady puts up BETTER stats in NEW ENGLAND than manning does in a F DOME. do some research fellas.
In case no one else watches anything about football. People call Adam Vinatieri one of the best kickers of all time because of his clutch kicks. The job of the QB is to PUT HIS TEAM IN A POSITION TO WIN. Which is what Brady did when he set up Vinatieri's kicks. He did his job. This argument is a joke. Both QBs are gonna be first ballot Hall of Famers. There will never be some super tie breaker to finally shut people up about who's better. Accept the realization that were watching 2 of the greats
I don't get why people make a big deal out of this. They're both great QBs. Anyone who wants to deny that EITHER of them aren't great, is a damn fool. The whole "Brady won his SBs with defense". is true but total bullshit at the same time. If you take the Defense out, no they don't win. But if you took Brady out, they don't win either. Same goes for the Colts in their one SB year. and to say that Brady takes the Glory for Adam Vinatieri's clutch kicks is stupid.
Manning should be the first player to win the MVP award and never take a snap. The Colts are 0-11 and that shows how manning was the only thing making the Colts a play off team.
@iRUSTYZz so cutler is the MVP of 2011. they were leading their div and gonna win it easy and be a FORCE then Cutler goes down and they LOSE out. weak teams quit which is what the colts and bears were.
shat manning was LUCKY with the 10/6 season last yr, the way he played they shouldnt of even been .500. he was their weakest link in 4/5 games and lost all 6 with stupid pick after pick. the colts were DONE the second manning choked again and threw that perfect pass to NO to end the SB
now lets look at the colts without peyton manning in 2011 with his shoulder/collarbone surgery. whats their record again? 0-5. yeah thats what i thought. no one has more command/ leadership of his team than peyton manning and that to me is what makes him #1 and brady #2
obviously the top two ranked qb's in the game no doubt. but i think one of the best ways to prove which quarterback does more for his team is by taking him out of the game and seeing how the rest of the team holds up. In 2008, a 7th round pick that had never quarterbacked in college and was relatively mediocre (matt cassel), did phenominal after being shoved into being the pats qb for the rest of the season after a brady injury
my question to all the brady nuthugger is simply this:
if tom brady only had one OR NONE when it comes to championships, would you still put him on the same level as manning as a qb? when you answer that question, i think we then understand who the clear winner is. manning was voted by the league as #8 ALL TIME players(not only qb's but overall PLAYERS) brady and favre weren't even in the top 20. and i think the fans had manning in the top 5 or top 3. tom is still above average, though
but cassals first season was terrible in kansas city then wen they put weapons around him he played good not great but good.....tha pats offence is easier to run than the colts and the pats have always been a better whole "TEAM" than the colts
@ProSportsFanatic94 You discredit Manning's Superbowl, because of defense? Change your name to Patsfanatic. Every ring Brady has is because the Pats D! You are on the internet, you go learn something. Check the ranks of the so-called "more with less" D that ol Bill came to the party with. Check the offensive numbers of the teams they met in the playoffs. Then, note that the Pats have a great system and Cassel proved it. Colts wont go 11-5 without Manning. People who learn from ESPN are stupid.
@EliTheRealist1 The Colts won't go 11-5 without Manning because they have a mentally-challenged person for a backup QB. If Curtis Painter was the Pats' backup in 2008, the Pats would have finished 4-12. Anti-Bradyites love to bring up Cassel and the 11-5. But a closer look tells intelligent people that Cassel studied under B & B for 3 years before taking over on a team that was coming off a 16-0 SB season. And next time you get a chance, check out the creampuff schedule the Pats had in '08.
@EliTheRealist1 And as we've seen, Cassel is not the "Joe Blow off the street" that anti-Bradyites make him out to be. He's a legit starting pro bowl-caliber NFL QB. Of course those Pats Ds were a huge reason the Pats won 3 SBs. But so was Brady. The Pats don't win them without that D, but they don't win them without Brady either. Just like in Manning's only SB run. The Colts defense dominated the offenses they faced (well, except for Brady's), but Manning did his best to derail all that...
@kileer7 Its the perfect analogy, because people want to give them all of the credit, when they clearly win because they (Kobe/Brady) were/are surrounded with talent. People slurp them every time the TEAM wins. Kobe couldnt win without a big man(men) and Brady cannot win a ring w/o defense or a kicker to take "clutch" credit from. Brady fans are stupid to compare Manning to James.Put Manning on the Pats and they win 4 or 5 rings, defense wins championships, contrary to what ESPN taught you guys.
@EliTheRealist1 Put Brady on the colts and they could do the same thing. If not more, cause the Colts actually have had a pass rushing defense to speak of in the last few years.
@ProSportsFanatic94 lebron never won a ring so this is a stupid argument and both manning and lebron careers aren't over I like to see this argument if both win more rings lol
Tom Brady over Peyton Manning... Why = Tom Brady makes less mistakes and is slightly more clutch.... Peyton Manning is surrounded by stars (Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Joseph Addai) and you saw what Brady did when he was surrounded by a star (Randy Moss) set a lot of records!!
@TheZoom1994 The Colts had a decent running game when they had James running for over 1000 yards in 5 of his 7 seasons with the team. They also had Harrison and James on the outside and didn't win a title until after James left. So it is not like Peyton has never had a running game. The Pats and the Colts drafted O-Line players to protect their QBs next season. There is still going to be free agency where both of these teams can sign new players to fill their current voids. Next season GAME ON!!
@TheZoom1994 Yes they almost beat them last season. Why did they lose that game? Because once again Manning threw an INT with 40 seconds left when they were already in field goal range with the best kicker in the game. Yes the Colts had a lot of injuries last season but the Pats defense was also filled with rookies who will be better next season. Honestly neither of us can be sure who will win next year because we have no idea who will be healthy when they play again.
@ryanjagessar Fine you made a good point but I feel like many people are over looking the colts next year They will be a good team I rather see a good running game and Peyton average season than they other way around hopefully there draft picks will improve the ground game
@TheZoom1994 The Colts fans will be praying that Manning doesn't choke away the game again like he did last season against the pats. In field goal range with the best kicker in the game down by 3 with less than a minute to go and he throws an INT to cost them the game which he probably would have won in OT.
@TheZoom1994 Don't start with the injury excuses- you goofy Colts fans have been riding that one for about 9 months now. The Packers were RIDDLED with injuries- how'd that work out for A-Rodg? Pretty good I'd say. If Manning did what A-Rodg did last year, all you Manning-worshipers would be jizzing all over each other and proclaiming him the GOAT. Then Rodgers lost a starting WR and their best defensive player in the SB, but still killed the best D in the NFL with 300 yds, 3 TDs.
@TheZoom1994 Not to mention Brady lost his entire starting backfield (Maroney, Morris, Faulk) and went most of the season without 3/5 of his starting O-line (Mankins, Kaczur, Neal) and was without his HOF WR for 14 games. How'd that work out for Brady? Oh yeah... UNANIMOUS MVP. Hahahahaha!
@777zippy777 Wow you lost maroney, morris and faulk The colts had a league leading 17 IR on there team and I colts would have won if the colts didn't pull Austin collie he was destroying Chung or whatever his name is up.
@777zippy777 The colts should have faced the steelers in the divisional round until dumb ass Caldwell called a timeout well the manning had a good game not great Brady had a horrible game against the jets almost throw a pick-six kept getting sacked BY A TEAM HE BEAT 45-3
@TheZoom1994 Brady had a horrible game against the Jets? Really? 300 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 64.4%, 89.0 rating is horrible? Well then, I guess that means Manning has had, let's see... ELEVEN horrible postseason games out of his 19. That would be 11 times that Manning had a lower passer rating in a postseason game than Brady had vs the Jets. Wow, Manning is really horrible!
@TheZoom1994 LMFAO! "Only" 5 more postseason wins. Well, Manning only has 2 more MVPs than Brady- that will keep going down. Brady still has 2 more SB wins than Manning. And we've all been waiting... let's see... FOUR long years now... for Manning to close that gap. Sorry, aint gonna happen, son. Have you seen the Colts' schedule this year? Ouch. Have fun with all THAT.
@777zippy777 They will still win alot of game at least 12 and you also have to factor in free agency to all those teams some of those look good on paper but you never know like the cowboys
@TheZoom1994 Kind of like... Oh, I don't know... in 2005 when the Colts beat the Steelers 26-7 in the regular season and then, just like the 2010 Pats- finished 14-2, got the #1 seed and lost to that same Steelers team (A #6-seed- just like the Jets) in their first playoff game. Huh... who knew?
@shaq4everdominant I'm not saying Brady isn't great, but Manning is by far the best pure QB. No other QB knows the schemes of the game as well as he does. He is the offense coordiantor.
@singlephase80 Not to mention that Jurgensen chose Manning because of his long-standing relationship with the Manning family, Blanda chose Manning because they both went to the SEC, and THREE of them were born before World War 2, so of course the old-timers are gonna pick the clean-cut, good christian southern boy over the jet-setting, GQ-smooth, supermodel-dating QB. Besides, dudes that were born before electricity was invented aren't thinking clearly enough to be casting votes on anything.
@singlephase80 See, this is the difference between Manning fans and Brady fans- Brady fans report actual facts. Manning fans just throw out biased opinions and misinformation. The 20 living HOF QBs vote was done in the middle of Manning's epic 2009 season- and the year Brady was coming off a major injury. Warren Moon even said he'd have taken Brady if not for the injury. And it wasn't 18 of 20 that chose Manning, it was 13. FIVE of them refused to cast a vote. (Montana went 50/50).
Matt cassel want 11-5 with the same pats team lets see if any back up manning could do that. If both of them played with the bills manning will have the better record
@TheZoom1994 Cassel went 11-5 and threw 21 TDs & 11 INTs and took 47 sacks with the same team that Brady went 16-0 and threw 50 TDs & 8 INTs and took 21 sacks. That's the difference between Brady and your average Pro Bowl QB.
If the Colts went out and found a REAL backup QB, they'd be just as good without Manning as the Pats were in 2008 without Brady. But there's no precedent because Manning never gets injured, so it's up to you biased Manning fans to just assume they'd go 0-16 w/o Peyton.
@TheZoom1994 "Colts are going to shit on the Pats this year... Colts are going to win the SB... Brady will not be good this year... Colts are going 13-3..." LOL! Wow, you're pretty adept at talking about what you HOPE will happen. How about focusing instead on what actually HAS happened and leave the Nostradamus crap to the people that actually KNOW it: NOBODY.
ok to sum this debate up, im gonna say that each of these two have great abilities of being great. both had career years last season, manning with passing attempts/completions and passing yards, and brady had most tds to fewest int's with also 3900 passing yds. so whos the better one, well i think they're equal. when its all said and done, manning will have the stats, the 4 mvp's, the superbowl win, and brady will have his 3 SB wins, 50 td season(2007), and his career year in 2010.
@JGJ1255 prolly go 14-2 again mabye...i know brady is gonna have another great year next season but as a realistic fan, i dont thinks theres any way he can put up those amazing stats next season, it could happen again, but i see a little different, mabye 33 tds 7 int. cuz with there stacked back field brady shouldnt need to put up huge numbers next year. which is actually good for brady, it can take some pressure off his back.
@shaq4everdominant That's like saying Dan Marino isnt one of the best of all time because he never won a super bowl. I'd still say he is better than Brady...and Peyton, is a genius of the game. Manning is the best of all time. It doesn't matter about the wins, thats why it's called a TEAM. The quaterback pulls the weight of the offense but if a player drops a ball or runs the wrong route, you put that on the QB??? No. It's everyone. Brady has had a great D helping him out and many weapons
London, England mate.......And yeah, the real football is our major sport just caught the NFL bug when i came to the states on holiday in 07 and been hooked ever since. I just hope this Labour drama gets sorted quick so we can have more things to argue about......loool. Btw, i just saw the top 100 players of 2011......B.Marshall 61? that's gotta be the joke of the century. I think the players are hating on the really good players. 18 WRS and he's 6th from the botttom best? i dnt know 12 beta WRS
@shinene234 My honest take on the War of 18/12 is that Brady and Manning are VERY CLOSE as far as career body of work / legacies / what have you... I mean, this thing is neck-and-neck. I look at it as a race as to which QB will wind up being considered as having the better overall career. I've been studying and researching this rivalry since the mid-2000s when it became clear that these two guys were head & shoulders above the rest. It's the greatest QB rivalry in NFL history by far.
@shinene234 Brady's 2010 season went a long way...I mean a LONG way in establishing his slight superiority to Peyton, IMO. People were writing him off after his 2008 injury, which usually destroys NFL careers. Then look what he did in 2010-36 TDs, 4 picks on a team full of not-that-great talent and a pretty crappy defense (25th in total D, 30th pass D, dead last in 3rd-down D). The guy was unanimous MVP on a team in a rebuilding year! That 2nd MVP stopped a LOT of Manning fans in their tracks.
I disagree with you on that. Patriots have always had a better team than the colts. its not a myth. i could look up the average offense and defense for both teams but its 2am here and i've got work tomorrow morning mate. Like i said earlier, you've always had a better coach as well which you gotta agree goes a long way in helping make your team a better one.
@shinene234 2am?? What planet are you posting from? LOL... I agree the Pats have had the better head coach, BUT check this out: The Bledsoe/Belichick Pats were 5-13. Belichick WITHOUT Brady is 52-63 (.452) as a head coach. WITH Brady, he's 125-37 (.771). The stats don't lie...
@shinene234 Let me help you with that: The Colts had a top ten scoring defense in 2002, 2005, 2007, 2008, and 2009. That includes a #2 defense in 2005 (15.4 ppg allowed) and a #1 in 2007 (16.4). TWENTY super bowl-winning teams gave up more ppg than the 2005 Colts' D.
The Colts had a higher-ranked scoring defense than the Pats in 2002, 2005, 2007 and 2008.
Have the Pats had a better defense more often than the Colts in the Brady-Manning era? Of course. But it's really only a 60/40 split.
Like i said, winning the superbowl is more of a team effort than an individual. I can only sit here and tell you only one player in the league's history has won 4 MVP.The Patriots have always been a better/complete team than the colts. thats all im gonna say but there is no way you can convince me brady is better than peyton which im sure i cant convince you vice versa so lets just leave it as that. I have to commend you for not resorting to calling names. Many people ive argued with tend to do
@shinene234 So you're going to go with the "Manning's Colts win 10 games every year except two years" thing... but then turn around and say that winning the SB is more of a team effort? Well, which is it? Can't have it both ways, bud. You also don't win a regular season MVP award without a great team for the most part either. It IS the ultimate team sport, right?
The Pats have not ALWAYS been a better/complete team than the Colts. That's just another myth perpetuated by Manning fans.
@shinene234 I mean, when's the last time a player won MVP on a team that didn't win at least 12 games? Oh yeah- Rich Gannon in 2002. Huh... almost a decade ago. Who knew?
I can also sit here and tell you Garcon droped a pass before he threw the pick if im not mistaken..he also dropped a td pass sometime during the game cant remember when. sometimes things like that just work against you. just like it worked against the colts against the jest this year. with less than a minute left they let the jets get into field goal range.....Peyton has done his best in puttin them in the lead with less than a minute or so to go.
@shinene234 You silly Manning fans... that's your go-to excuse. Dropped passes. EVERY quarterback has to deal with dropped passes. Welker was one of the worst dropped-pass offenders in the NFL last year. It's all about how the QB comes back from that adversity. Manning proved in XLIV that he just does not possess that clutch gene. Under the immense pressure of that super bowl moment, he folded like a lawn chair.
There is no way you can count his rookie year. the team was 3-13 the season before he got there and you don't expect him to just come to the league and weave his magic wand. he was a starter from day one. Tom didn't do shit in his rookie year. dont even think he started any game. Like i said earlier, the 2001 was an experimental year which did not work so well and reason why Mora lost his job. People fail to acknowledge the fact that Brady has played for a HOF coach all his life....Peyton hasnt
@shinene234 "don't even think he started any game" Wow... well, you just fucked your credibility right there, bud. The 2001 Pats were expected to do no better than 6-10 that preseason. They started 0-2 with Bledsoe. (Bledose went 5-13 under Belichick). In comes Brady and suddenly the Pats went 17-3 the rest of the season, including winning the super bowl.
Peyton took a 3-13 team and improved them to... 3-13. Yippee!
@777zippy777 If i'm not mistaken, Tom was drafted in 2000, thereby making 2000 his rookie year. I was talking about his rookie year. You can moan all about how low he was drafted but you cant blame no one for that.
@shinene234 Yes, technically 2000 was Brady's rookie year and he was not thrown to the wolves like Manning. I get that. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Brady had attempted all of 3 passes before being asked to replace an all-pro QB who had just signed a monster contract... but then was shown the door to Buffalo after Brady's 2001 performance.
@shinene234 I never have moaned and never will moan about the fact that Brady was drafted #199 overall in the 2000 draft. That may just have been the source of his awesome powers. It's that drive to prove people wrong that helped make him so great. SIX other QBs were drafted before him and ALL of them are either out of the league or worthless backups somewhere. NONE of them amounted to anything. Manning already had the pedigree- Brady overcame much more adversity.
@shinene234 When did I ever say winning a super bowl was easy? Winning a super bowl is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. One out of 32 teams gets to win it each year. But with Moss and Welker, Brady came within one insane pass play of winning his 4th super bowl. See, Brady put his team up 14-10 with 2:42 left... as opposed to Manning, who choked up a game-losing pick-six to kill any chance his team had of winning. BIG difference. And that's been the difference between these two since day one.
@shinene234 Only TWO players in NFL history have won multiple MVPs and multiple Super Bowls. TWO. That's excelling beyond excelling at both regular season AND postseason over the course of a career. Can you name the two players? I'll give you a hint: One is WIDELY considered by experts and fans to be the greatest QB in NFL history and the other is Tom Brady. BAM. 'Nuff said.
what you failed to mention is that same year, the colts were experimenting on their no huddle offense. every time you start out a new thing it dont always work straight away. how many players in the league history throw 23 picks and yet still have a 4000+ passing yards and 26 tds? Not many i can assure you. If i'm not mistaken that season and his rookie season are the only time the colts never won at least 10 games in a season. That's a league record.
@shinene234 Well, the Brady-led Patriots have now won 11, 9, 14, 14, 10, 12, 16, 10 and 14 games. When 9-7 is the worst Brady has ever done, I'd say that trumps Peyton's 3-13 and 6-10 seasons.
Peyton Manning is the better QB, no disrespect to Brady as he's a tremendously gifted QB as well but i just think Payton pips it for me. You can argue up and down but facts are there for all to see. Peyton Manning has majority of the QB records and if you're going to judge a player by how many rings he's won then you're dumber than i think you are. i'll give you 3-4 greats of this game that don't have one single ring to their name but that dont make them any less of a great.
@shinene234 Not to mention those 3 teams' ridiculously horrible pass defenses... Jags: 28th, Titans: 29th, Texans: dead last. Manning had the luxury of beating up on 3 teams with 3 of the 5-worst pass defenses in the league-- SIX times. And he STILL threw 17 INTs! Which was his worst showing in that category since his wretched 2001 season. Brady's never thrown more than 14 picks in ANY season.
Brady is the best QB EVER!!!! WAYYYYYY bttr thn manning, payton isnt evn in the same level as brady, i think the best qbs ever would hav to b brady, montana, marino, ryan, thn maybe manning
@MultiMETALHEAD16 well i see you used well organized points in your argument. you must be right. you're also highly intelligent, i mean, look at that superb use of english. dumbass
WATEVER YALL SAY DA TRUTH IZZ......MANNING'S DA BEST WILL ALWAYS BE DA BEST .....PLUS WHO'S DA ONE WHO BROKE LEGENDARY DAN MARINO'S TD PASSES RECORD.....DATS RITE....MANNING NOT BRADY.....MANNING ALL DA WAY
@andrew91497 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, ebonics boy. In 2004, Manning broke Marino's record. Then in 2007, Brady broke BOTH of their records. And I don't see anybody throwing for 51+ TDs anytime soon. The record is BRADY'S. Here, let's do a little math for ya:
i have a feeling that this arguement will be going on forever even when they retire and are both in the HoF. in my opinnion both are the best QB's to ever play the game. i only give brady the edge because he has the rings
@TheTheoryoflight well I can see your english is improving, but your logic is still nonexistant. Don't worry, you'll get there some day. "So then you better finish it", that's kind of what I'm doing dumbass. How have I not been finishing it?
@TheTheoryoflight wow did you really just say dumper and dumper. i dont give a shit if you feel sorry for me, but i really do feel sorry for the people that have to deal with you on a regular basis, you ignorant, worthless piece of shit
@bktenn29 worthless piece of shit? huh? i wonder whos the worthless piece of shit after i beat your ass down all fucked up, better watch your ass boy,or ill knock your ass down and you well never get back up normal anymore fuckin retard kid.
@TheTheoryoflight so you're gonna copy and paste me calling you dumb, and then call me dumb. i didn't know people as stupid as you existed. at least your english has improved a little since we've had this disagreement, except for that stupid ass ,,), thing that you put in your last comment. i don't know what the hell that's supposed to be. but it's ok, natural selection should take care of your kind shortly.
@bktenn29 if u dont know wat the fuck does that mean then u are one of the stupid ones, oh and dont worry natural selection will take care of me from people like u...that dont understand shit, all u people know is to start shit with other people and cause choas to the world, u people dont know what real piece means just being drunk and trash the this pieceful world that we live in. so i hope that the natural selection that u speak of, save the people that understand's true friends and piece.
@TheTheoryoflight a couple things: nobody fucking knows what that means, it doesn't mean anything except to dumbasses like you who put random punctuation for no reason. Next, "that don't understand shit" what the fuck? Did you get past first grade? Next, look at your very first comment, before I even came in, and tell me you weren't starting shit with everyone who thought one of the QBs was better. Yeah, bitch. Ill finish this in a new comment
@TheTheoryoflight next, choas? Bad spelling, but thats nothing new from you. Also, piece? Wow before your next stupid comment, go get a dictionary so I can at least read it. Next, you're making comments with more spelling mistakes, sentences that make no sense, and you have terrible arguments. And I'm the one thats drunk & trash? Think again. Next, "pieceful (I guess u mean peaceful) world"? You really think our world is peaceful? You obviously turn a blind eye to everything going on around you
@bktenn29 first thing:i dont even care about my spelling. second thing: i think that you are one of those retard people that just got their ass knock the fuck OUT and still dont know how to shut up fuck up.third thing: r u white or black or asian or what?, because if your asian u r makin us look bad...and if your black your makin them look retarded...AND if your white just go hang yourself. lastly: i dont care about wat u think about me, its just annoying, like a fly flying around u, being dumb
@TheTheoryoflight first, I'm knocking your ass the fuck out with these comments, not the other way around. Even a blind person could see that. Next, so your asian? I thought asians were supposed to be smart? You're the dumbest asian I've ever seen. "And if your white just go hang yourself", so you couldn't think of anything clever there? Nothing new, you haven't said anything clever in this whole argument. And you should care, bc I'm tellin you the truth, maybe if you listen you could fix it
DONT READ THIS CAUSE IT ACTUALLY WORKS YOU WILL GET KISSED ON THE NEAREST POSSIBLE FRIDAY BY THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE. 2MORROW WILL BE THE BEST DAY OF YOUR LIFE. HOWEVER IF YOU DO NOT POST THIS COMMENT TO AT LEAST 3 VIDEOS YOU WILL DIE WITHIN 2 DAYS. NOW UV STARTED READING THIS SO DUNT STOP. THIS IS SO SCARY. PUT THIS ON AT LEAST 5 VIDEOS IN 143 MINUTES WHEN UR DONE PRESS F6 AND UR LOVERS NAME WILL APPEAR ON THE SCREEN IN BIG LETTERS. THIS IS SO SCARY CUZ IT ACTUALLYWORK
Brady cuz 199 overall duh. And even though he has better O-Lines he has had plenty of different receivers and Manning has had mostly the same players each season. So in that case Brady. And I'm a die hard fan of the Vikings not the Patriots.
well guys.... Brady is blacker go Brady! jk but yea how can you compare these guys? one of the guys had one of the best wide outs ever but Mr. Beast - Perfect - badass (Brady) had a very good deffence but if you look at this year Brady worked with the worst deffence in the leag. ( or atleast 1 on them ) with 2 rookie te and some little quick bitches. Manning before i say anything i dont want 2 hear ahhhhhhhhhh Manning teams was hurt blah im a troll blah!!!! i done give a shit - Brady aaaaa yea
brady will always be the best hes gonna be ni the NFL hall of fame we all know it and payton manning big frick hes a fucking pussy tom brady worked his way up did his time in the minors had his bad seasons and good seasons and hes won 4 superbowls named MVP of the superbowls 3 times so brady is the best no doubt about it payton manning can go suck a cock like he always does plus brady has got the best hair ever and we all know that is why Tom Bradt will always be the best ang NOT payton manning!
im a raider fan but i beleive brady is better, of course manning has the better stats but Brady did his regular season having stats that were not crazy like with 30+ TD passes. He won his superbowls without having the great season. 28 TD passes and 14 interceptions in one of those seasons. but i think brady did best in the playoffs where it really counted.
Theres a reason why Peyton Manning was rated #3 QB of All-Time. and Brady was #28 I think. lol. Peyton Has like 95% of all Passing Records, More Touchdowns, Higher Completion Percentage, Higher Accuracy, more passing yards, more 4,000 passing yard seasons, and has 4 MVPs and a SB MVP, 49 Carrer 4th Quarter Combacks. One of them was quoted "Best game of All-Time" vs. Patriots in 2009. He camback to win 35-34 from a 21 point deficit And hes gaurunteed a Hall of Fame induction and SB Ring.Go Colts
@XxPatsRuleXx As much as i dont like the packers. What about Aaron Rogers. I understand it was this season, but will things be alot better for time to come, for him?
@sptrfn Are you retarded? He has the most touchdowns in a single season, most consecutive pass attempts without an interception, 2 superbowl mvps, 2 regular season mvps, 4 afc championships, 3 superbowl championships, and several other records i'm forgeting done with average receivers before 2007 and he isn't better than ben rapelisberger and aaron rodgers?
@sptrfn You are a moron. "a few plays here and there 10 years ago" which completely ignores everything he's done since 2002: won 2 more super bowls... won 2 MVPs... led a team to the only 16-0 season in league history... set the record for most TD passes in a season... led the NFL in TD passes 3 times... posted the 2nd-highest passer rating ever... won 2 OPOY awards...
The "best" QB in the NFL doesn't throw 11 INTs in a span of 3 games, clown. OR a pick-6 to lose a super bowl.
@sptrfn Roethlisberger has benefited from great defenses 10x more than Brady has. When Roeth can lead a team to 14-2 with one of the worst defenses in the league, then I'll be impressed. Brady did that in 2010 and was unanimous MVP.
Rodgers looks like the real deal, I'll give you that. But you're still a delusional idiot.
@777zippy777: For Brady, though, he has always had good offensive lines, and he is in a system that makes him look good because it usually gives him pristine conditions. Big Ben is usually getting the crap kicked out of him. If Big Ben had Brady's protection, he would put up even better numbers.
@sptrfn Yeah, Brady has a good O-line... until they get to the postseason. vs Giants: 5 sacks. vs Ravens: 3 sacks. vs Jets: 5 sacks. It's easy for Brady-haters to give credit to everything else OTHER than Brady. That's just what they do. But Brady isn't a slam-dunk future HOFer because of " a few plays here and there 10 years ago". That statement is just retarded.
@sptrfn Ru kidding me? How is Manning the best he cannot lead his team anymore. Addai cant run anymore! So Wat will he do.... pass the ball. He's getting into pressure situations where he folds, and the only reason he won super bowls becuz Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne and the Rest of the Colts where in the zone. With teammates like Blair white and Austin Collie he cant play 4 beans. The Colts have folded and so has manning welcome to a new dynasty of the Patriots, Packers and Steelers!
@XxPatsRuleXx lol... I'm all for another Pats-dominant decade... but please not the Steelers! Steelers fans are a close-second only to Colts fans in the "I despise Tom Brady" dept. I think there's no question that Manning still leads the Colts though. I'll give him that. Even carries them like Brady carried the Pats in 2010. It's really coming down to defense and timing in the postseason. The Jets had it that day- the Pats didn't.
@XxPatsRuleXx But I will say that the whole theory of "Put Manning on any team and they instantly become playoff contenders" is total bullshit. The only reason the Colts made the playoffs in 2010 is because they played in the 2nd-worst division in the NFL. Manning struggled without his usual weapons-- what makes them think he'd do any better on an actual CRAPPY team?
well you just have to agree with that comment "put manning on any team and they instantly become a playoff contender" when with a jaded and injured team he passed for 4700yrds and threw 33 TDS.......Hate him as much as you like but that is pretty special when you think he was throwing to back ups for majority of the season.
@shinene234 No, I do not agree with that comment at all. Put Manning on the 2001 Colts and what happened? He threw 23 INTs and led the Colts to 6-10. Take away Dallas Clark and some of his other toys and what happened? 11 picks in 3 games including 4 pick-sixes. The only reason the Colts slopped a playoff berth last year was because they played in the 2nd-worst division in the league. 8-8 Jags, 6-10 Texans, 6-10 Titans. That's 6 games against pitiful competition.
@shinene234 You wanna talk about injuries and lesser personnel? Oh poor Peyton... Brady lost his entire starting backfield (Maroney, Faulk), his go-to hall of fame WR, plus 3/5 of his starting O-line for half the season (Mankins, Neal) and another on IR the entire season (Kaczur). AND had such incomperable talent like Woodhead (undrafted FA, cut by Jets), BJGE (undrafted FA), two rookie TEs and a has-been cast-off from Seattle who's career was irrelevant when he wasn't catching passes from T.B.
And its not like adam had to kick a red zone field goal eather. If brady got him into sure kicking position thats a different story. A fifty yarder is all up to the kicker. Do you remember the saints superbowl when stover missed the 50 yarder? Not such an easy kick is it? That was all a team effort.
And i suppose trent dilfer was the reason the ravens won, ray lewis was the mvp. Dion Branch is a superbowl MVP and you say brady won that alone? Manning i admit wasn't the reason the colts won, and his field goal kicker wasn't the reason they won either. But bob sanders turned the ball over. In this past superbowl, do you think the packs would have won without the two picks and forced fumble? How is the superbowl won by a QB. i see 11 men on the field not 1.
@1992gabe The pack wouldn't have won without the interceptions, but your looking at it completely backwards: Would Big ben have won if he had not thrown those two passes?
@exodus3115 You said QB's win superbowls that is an arguement. Eli manning is a franchise qb? he won a superbowl? I don't even know the bears qb's name but i am sure walter peyton won that superbowl. And why would i look at it like that? We are talking about how a qb wins superbowls, turmovers are what causes a team to win. It takes a defence. Had bens defence caused a turnover htey would have won. Remember the ravens game. That one turnover from ray rice shifted the momentum.
Brady easily. do people really have to ask this question ? Brady puts up BETTER stats in NEW ENGLAND than manning does in a F DOME. do some research fellas.
msrFore 1 month ago
Brady
vincentlett 2 months ago
In case no one else watches anything about football. People call Adam Vinatieri one of the best kickers of all time because of his clutch kicks. The job of the QB is to PUT HIS TEAM IN A POSITION TO WIN. Which is what Brady did when he set up Vinatieri's kicks. He did his job. This argument is a joke. Both QBs are gonna be first ballot Hall of Famers. There will never be some super tie breaker to finally shut people up about who's better. Accept the realization that were watching 2 of the greats
TheHayes0210 3 months ago
@TheHayes0210 Manning has set up Vanderjagt many times as well, except MV can't make the field goals that Vinatieri can
41indianapoliscolts 2 months ago
I don't get why people make a big deal out of this. They're both great QBs. Anyone who wants to deny that EITHER of them aren't great, is a damn fool. The whole "Brady won his SBs with defense". is true but total bullshit at the same time. If you take the Defense out, no they don't win. But if you took Brady out, they don't win either. Same goes for the Colts in their one SB year. and to say that Brady takes the Glory for Adam Vinatieri's clutch kicks is stupid.
TheHayes0210 3 months ago
what is this song fo,r a disney miley cyrus tribute?
ryantimmins99 3 months ago
Manning should be the first player to win the MVP award and never take a snap. The Colts are 0-11 and that shows how manning was the only thing making the Colts a play off team.
iRUSTYZz 3 months ago
@iRUSTYZz so cutler is the MVP of 2011. they were leading their div and gonna win it easy and be a FORCE then Cutler goes down and they LOSE out. weak teams quit which is what the colts and bears were.
shat manning was LUCKY with the 10/6 season last yr, the way he played they shouldnt of even been .500. he was their weakest link in 4/5 games and lost all 6 with stupid pick after pick. the colts were DONE the second manning choked again and threw that perfect pass to NO to end the SB
msrFore 1 month ago
A lot of people like to talk about how Brady has three superbowl rings, but they dont mention that the most recent one was in 2005, 6 years ago.
EOFFJM 4 months ago
@EOFFJM 2004 not 05
mustangcobra401 3 months ago
now lets look at the colts without peyton manning in 2011 with his shoulder/collarbone surgery. whats their record again? 0-5. yeah thats what i thought. no one has more command/ leadership of his team than peyton manning and that to me is what makes him #1 and brady #2
0obercool 4 months ago
obviously the top two ranked qb's in the game no doubt. but i think one of the best ways to prove which quarterback does more for his team is by taking him out of the game and seeing how the rest of the team holds up. In 2008, a 7th round pick that had never quarterbacked in college and was relatively mediocre (matt cassel), did phenominal after being shoved into being the pats qb for the rest of the season after a brady injury
0obercool 4 months ago
peyton has the entire defensive playbook in his mind he looks up and know the play like its nothing
KRIIMZONx 5 months ago
my question to all the brady nuthugger is simply this:
if tom brady only had one OR NONE when it comes to championships, would you still put him on the same level as manning as a qb? when you answer that question, i think we then understand who the clear winner is. manning was voted by the league as #8 ALL TIME players(not only qb's but overall PLAYERS) brady and favre weren't even in the top 20. and i think the fans had manning in the top 5 or top 3. tom is still above average, though
IcyRhythms 5 months ago
@IcyRhythms Didn't we go through this already....?
777zippy777 5 months ago
Manning>>>>>
Fr3shPrinc3Y2j 6 months ago
brady
S1LENTxSPARTAN 6 months ago
this music is gayer than a box of rocks
Oozingmachismo24 6 months ago
@Oozingmachismo24 no thats you
brettgrew342 6 months ago
but cassals first season was terrible in kansas city then wen they put weapons around him he played good not great but good.....tha pats offence is easier to run than the colts and the pats have always been a better whole "TEAM" than the colts
woollybobcat 6 months ago
...by throwing just 3 TDs and a whopping 7 INTs in the 4 postseason games. Worst TD-INT ratio EVER from a QB in a SB-winning postseason.
777zippy777 6 months ago
@ProSportsFanatic94 You discredit Manning's Superbowl, because of defense? Change your name to Patsfanatic. Every ring Brady has is because the Pats D! You are on the internet, you go learn something. Check the ranks of the so-called "more with less" D that ol Bill came to the party with. Check the offensive numbers of the teams they met in the playoffs. Then, note that the Pats have a great system and Cassel proved it. Colts wont go 11-5 without Manning. People who learn from ESPN are stupid.
EliTheRealist1 6 months ago 2
@EliTheRealist1 The Colts won't go 11-5 without Manning because they have a mentally-challenged person for a backup QB. If Curtis Painter was the Pats' backup in 2008, the Pats would have finished 4-12. Anti-Bradyites love to bring up Cassel and the 11-5. But a closer look tells intelligent people that Cassel studied under B & B for 3 years before taking over on a team that was coming off a 16-0 SB season. And next time you get a chance, check out the creampuff schedule the Pats had in '08.
777zippy777 6 months ago
@EliTheRealist1 And as we've seen, Cassel is not the "Joe Blow off the street" that anti-Bradyites make him out to be. He's a legit starting pro bowl-caliber NFL QB. Of course those Pats Ds were a huge reason the Pats won 3 SBs. But so was Brady. The Pats don't win them without that D, but they don't win them without Brady either. Just like in Manning's only SB run. The Colts defense dominated the offenses they faced (well, except for Brady's), but Manning did his best to derail all that...
777zippy777 6 months ago
@EliTheRealist1 Colts went 10-6 WITH manning....LOL.
93kooldude 6 months ago
MANNING>>>>brady
daglacier97 6 months ago
What's with the song?
xxxM0STWANTEDxxx 7 months ago
brady
CyborgDaPrince 7 months ago
@ProSportsFanatic94 thats how i look at it
aar792 7 months ago
manning>>>>>Brady
TheZoom1994 7 months ago
I think the analogy that Brady is Kobe(rings) & Peyton is LeBron(1 ring, 0 ring) is an insult to Brady.
kileer7 7 months ago
@kileer7 Its the perfect analogy, because people want to give them all of the credit, when they clearly win because they (Kobe/Brady) were/are surrounded with talent. People slurp them every time the TEAM wins. Kobe couldnt win without a big man(men) and Brady cannot win a ring w/o defense or a kicker to take "clutch" credit from. Brady fans are stupid to compare Manning to James.Put Manning on the Pats and they win 4 or 5 rings, defense wins championships, contrary to what ESPN taught you guys.
EliTheRealist1 6 months ago 2
@EliTheRealist1 Well said.
kileer7 6 months ago
@EliTheRealist1 Put Brady on the colts and they could do the same thing. If not more, cause the Colts actually have had a pass rushing defense to speak of in the last few years.
Patriots09ist 6 months ago
@EliTheRealist1 exactly the patriots are a much better team it isnt even fair to say there better because of rings and defense wins these games
KRIIMZONx 5 months ago
@ProSportsFanatic94 lets see you compare that when both win rings next year
TheZoom1994 7 months ago
@ProSportsFanatic94 lebron never won a ring so this is a stupid argument and both manning and lebron careers aren't over I like to see this argument if both win more rings lol
TheZoom1994 7 months ago
this shit sounds like they died or something lol
mark84g5 7 months ago
Tom Brady over Peyton Manning... Why = Tom Brady makes less mistakes and is slightly more clutch.... Peyton Manning is surrounded by stars (Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Joseph Addai) and you saw what Brady did when he was surrounded by a star (Randy Moss) set a lot of records!!
mark84g5 7 months ago
@TheZoom1994 The Colts had a decent running game when they had James running for over 1000 yards in 5 of his 7 seasons with the team. They also had Harrison and James on the outside and didn't win a title until after James left. So it is not like Peyton has never had a running game. The Pats and the Colts drafted O-Line players to protect their QBs next season. There is still going to be free agency where both of these teams can sign new players to fill their current voids. Next season GAME ON!!
ryanjagessar 7 months ago
@TheZoom1994 Yes they almost beat them last season. Why did they lose that game? Because once again Manning threw an INT with 40 seconds left when they were already in field goal range with the best kicker in the game. Yes the Colts had a lot of injuries last season but the Pats defense was also filled with rookies who will be better next season. Honestly neither of us can be sure who will win next year because we have no idea who will be healthy when they play again.
ryanjagessar 7 months ago
@ryanjagessar Fine you made a good point but I feel like many people are over looking the colts next year They will be a good team I rather see a good running game and Peyton average season than they other way around hopefully there draft picks will improve the ground game
TheZoom1994 7 months ago
Its awesome cuzz theirs no top comment saying brady or manning is better. Best QB battle ever!!
Epictrev97 8 months ago
@TheZoom1994 The Colts fans will be praying that Manning doesn't choke away the game again like he did last season against the pats. In field goal range with the best kicker in the game down by 3 with less than a minute to go and he throws an INT to cost them the game which he probably would have won in OT.
ryanjagessar 8 months ago
@ryanjagessar But he the colts almost beat the 14-2 pats will most of there starters injured and only lost by 3 this year they will lose trust me
TheZoom1994 8 months ago
@TheZoom1994 Don't start with the injury excuses- you goofy Colts fans have been riding that one for about 9 months now. The Packers were RIDDLED with injuries- how'd that work out for A-Rodg? Pretty good I'd say. If Manning did what A-Rodg did last year, all you Manning-worshipers would be jizzing all over each other and proclaiming him the GOAT. Then Rodgers lost a starting WR and their best defensive player in the SB, but still killed the best D in the NFL with 300 yds, 3 TDs.
777zippy777 8 months ago
@ryanjagessar The colts will be the first ever to win it all in there house
TheZoom1994 8 months ago
@TheZoom1994 Not to mention Brady lost his entire starting backfield (Maroney, Morris, Faulk) and went most of the season without 3/5 of his starting O-line (Mankins, Kaczur, Neal) and was without his HOF WR for 14 games. How'd that work out for Brady? Oh yeah... UNANIMOUS MVP. Hahahahaha!
777zippy777 8 months ago
@777zippy777 Wow you lost maroney, morris and faulk The colts had a league leading 17 IR on there team and I colts would have won if the colts didn't pull Austin collie he was destroying Chung or whatever his name is up.
TheZoom1994 8 months ago
@777zippy777 The colts should have faced the steelers in the divisional round until dumb ass Caldwell called a timeout well the manning had a good game not great Brady had a horrible game against the jets almost throw a pick-six kept getting sacked BY A TEAM HE BEAT 45-3
TheZoom1994 8 months ago
@TheZoom1994 Brady had a horrible game against the Jets? Really? 300 yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 64.4%, 89.0 rating is horrible? Well then, I guess that means Manning has had, let's see... ELEVEN horrible postseason games out of his 19. That would be 11 times that Manning had a lower passer rating in a postseason game than Brady had vs the Jets. Wow, Manning is really horrible!
777zippy777 8 months ago
@777zippy777 a good chunk of his yards came after the game was out of reach
TheZoom1994 8 months ago
@TheZoom1994 LMFAO! "Only" 5 more postseason wins. Well, Manning only has 2 more MVPs than Brady- that will keep going down. Brady still has 2 more SB wins than Manning. And we've all been waiting... let's see... FOUR long years now... for Manning to close that gap. Sorry, aint gonna happen, son. Have you seen the Colts' schedule this year? Ouch. Have fun with all THAT.
777zippy777 8 months ago
@777zippy777 They will still win alot of game at least 12 and you also have to factor in free agency to all those teams some of those look good on paper but you never know like the cowboys
TheZoom1994 7 months ago
@TheZoom1994 Just a question-- were you born in 1994?
777zippy777 8 months ago
@777zippy777 no I just choose that number because of the suggestions
TheZoom1994 7 months ago
@TheZoom1994 Kind of like... Oh, I don't know... in 2005 when the Colts beat the Steelers 26-7 in the regular season and then, just like the 2010 Pats- finished 14-2, got the #1 seed and lost to that same Steelers team (A #6-seed- just like the Jets) in their first playoff game. Huh... who knew?
777zippy777 8 months ago
@777zippy777 Brady only has 5 more wins than manning in the postseason that will keep going down
TheZoom1994 8 months ago
@shaq4everdominant I'm not saying Brady isn't great, but Manning is by far the best pure QB. No other QB knows the schemes of the game as well as he does. He is the offense coordiantor.
samek25 8 months ago
Tom brady should be in football cops
TheZoom1994 8 months ago
Colts are going to shit on the pats this year if there is a year lol
TheZoom1994 8 months ago
So screw the fans, screw the media, these are guys who played football and did it well. Nuff said.
singlephase80 8 months ago
@singlephase80 Not to mention that Jurgensen chose Manning because of his long-standing relationship with the Manning family, Blanda chose Manning because they both went to the SEC, and THREE of them were born before World War 2, so of course the old-timers are gonna pick the clean-cut, good christian southern boy over the jet-setting, GQ-smooth, supermodel-dating QB. Besides, dudes that were born before electricity was invented aren't thinking clearly enough to be casting votes on anything.
777zippy777 8 months ago
I once saw a poll on like twenty some hall of fame qb's, who were asked who they liked better as a quarterback, all but two said manning.
singlephase80 8 months ago
@singlephase80 See, this is the difference between Manning fans and Brady fans- Brady fans report actual facts. Manning fans just throw out biased opinions and misinformation. The 20 living HOF QBs vote was done in the middle of Manning's epic 2009 season- and the year Brady was coming off a major injury. Warren Moon even said he'd have taken Brady if not for the injury. And it wasn't 18 of 20 that chose Manning, it was 13. FIVE of them refused to cast a vote. (Montana went 50/50).
777zippy777 8 months ago
what do the players say about who is the best? they probably know more about football than you do.
singlephase80 8 months ago
Matt cassel want 11-5 with the same pats team lets see if any back up manning could do that. If both of them played with the bills manning will have the better record
TheZoom1994 8 months ago
@TheZoom1994 Cassel went 11-5 and threw 21 TDs & 11 INTs and took 47 sacks with the same team that Brady went 16-0 and threw 50 TDs & 8 INTs and took 21 sacks. That's the difference between Brady and your average Pro Bowl QB.
If the Colts went out and found a REAL backup QB, they'd be just as good without Manning as the Pats were in 2008 without Brady. But there's no precedent because Manning never gets injured, so it's up to you biased Manning fans to just assume they'd go 0-16 w/o Peyton.
777zippy777 8 months ago
@777zippy777 Brady will not be good this year fuck pats got a easy schedule lucky bastards.
colts gots steelers,ravens,falcons,pats,tampa saints were still going to go at least 13-3
TheZoom1994 8 months ago
@TheZoom1994 "Colts are going to shit on the Pats this year... Colts are going to win the SB... Brady will not be good this year... Colts are going 13-3..." LOL! Wow, you're pretty adept at talking about what you HOPE will happen. How about focusing instead on what actually HAS happened and leave the Nostradamus crap to the people that actually KNOW it: NOBODY.
777zippy777 8 months ago
ok to sum this debate up, im gonna say that each of these two have great abilities of being great. both had career years last season, manning with passing attempts/completions and passing yards, and brady had most tds to fewest int's with also 3900 passing yds. so whos the better one, well i think they're equal. when its all said and done, manning will have the stats, the 4 mvp's, the superbowl win, and brady will have his 3 SB wins, 50 td season(2007), and his career year in 2010.
NewEnglandDynasty12 8 months ago
@NewEnglandDynasty12 Lets not forget Brady's own 2 MVPs:)
JGJ1255 8 months ago
@JGJ1255 manning has 4
TheZoom1994 8 months ago
@TheZoom1994 NEDynasty mentioned that. Too bad MVPs don't translate into rings.
JGJ1255 8 months ago
@JGJ1255
too bad defense has left brady
singlephase80 8 months ago
@singlephase80 And yet they went 14-2. Imagine what they'd do with a decent defense.
JGJ1255 8 months ago
@JGJ1255 prolly go 14-2 again mabye...i know brady is gonna have another great year next season but as a realistic fan, i dont thinks theres any way he can put up those amazing stats next season, it could happen again, but i see a little different, mabye 33 tds 7 int. cuz with there stacked back field brady shouldnt need to put up huge numbers next year. which is actually good for brady, it can take some pressure off his back.
NewEnglandDynasty12 8 months ago
@JGJ1255 and that too
NewEnglandDynasty12 8 months ago
@shaq4everdominant That's like saying Dan Marino isnt one of the best of all time because he never won a super bowl. I'd still say he is better than Brady...and Peyton, is a genius of the game. Manning is the best of all time. It doesn't matter about the wins, thats why it's called a TEAM. The quaterback pulls the weight of the offense but if a player drops a ball or runs the wrong route, you put that on the QB??? No. It's everyone. Brady has had a great D helping him out and many weapons
samek25 8 months ago
Just because of the song... I'm done watching.
MonteyCarlo92081 9 months ago
London, England mate.......And yeah, the real football is our major sport just caught the NFL bug when i came to the states on holiday in 07 and been hooked ever since. I just hope this Labour drama gets sorted quick so we can have more things to argue about......loool. Btw, i just saw the top 100 players of 2011......B.Marshall 61? that's gotta be the joke of the century. I think the players are hating on the really good players. 18 WRS and he's 6th from the botttom best? i dnt know 12 beta WRS
shinene234 9 months ago
@shinene234 My honest take on the War of 18/12 is that Brady and Manning are VERY CLOSE as far as career body of work / legacies / what have you... I mean, this thing is neck-and-neck. I look at it as a race as to which QB will wind up being considered as having the better overall career. I've been studying and researching this rivalry since the mid-2000s when it became clear that these two guys were head & shoulders above the rest. It's the greatest QB rivalry in NFL history by far.
777zippy777 9 months ago
@777zippy777 Now that's something i can agree with you on......loool
shinene234 9 months ago
@shinene234 Brady's 2010 season went a long way...I mean a LONG way in establishing his slight superiority to Peyton, IMO. People were writing him off after his 2008 injury, which usually destroys NFL careers. Then look what he did in 2010-36 TDs, 4 picks on a team full of not-that-great talent and a pretty crappy defense (25th in total D, 30th pass D, dead last in 3rd-down D). The guy was unanimous MVP on a team in a rebuilding year! That 2nd MVP stopped a LOT of Manning fans in their tracks.
777zippy777 9 months ago
I disagree with you on that. Patriots have always had a better team than the colts. its not a myth. i could look up the average offense and defense for both teams but its 2am here and i've got work tomorrow morning mate. Like i said earlier, you've always had a better coach as well which you gotta agree goes a long way in helping make your team a better one.
shinene234 9 months ago
@shinene234 2am?? What planet are you posting from? LOL... I agree the Pats have had the better head coach, BUT check this out: The Bledsoe/Belichick Pats were 5-13. Belichick WITHOUT Brady is 52-63 (.452) as a head coach. WITH Brady, he's 125-37 (.771). The stats don't lie...
777zippy777 9 months ago
@shinene234 Let me help you with that: The Colts had a top ten scoring defense in 2002, 2005, 2007, 2008, and 2009. That includes a #2 defense in 2005 (15.4 ppg allowed) and a #1 in 2007 (16.4). TWENTY super bowl-winning teams gave up more ppg than the 2005 Colts' D.
The Colts had a higher-ranked scoring defense than the Pats in 2002, 2005, 2007 and 2008.
Have the Pats had a better defense more often than the Colts in the Brady-Manning era? Of course. But it's really only a 60/40 split.
777zippy777 9 months ago
Like i said, winning the superbowl is more of a team effort than an individual. I can only sit here and tell you only one player in the league's history has won 4 MVP.The Patriots have always been a better/complete team than the colts. thats all im gonna say but there is no way you can convince me brady is better than peyton which im sure i cant convince you vice versa so lets just leave it as that. I have to commend you for not resorting to calling names. Many people ive argued with tend to do
shinene234 9 months ago
@shinene234 So you're going to go with the "Manning's Colts win 10 games every year except two years" thing... but then turn around and say that winning the SB is more of a team effort? Well, which is it? Can't have it both ways, bud. You also don't win a regular season MVP award without a great team for the most part either. It IS the ultimate team sport, right?
The Pats have not ALWAYS been a better/complete team than the Colts. That's just another myth perpetuated by Manning fans.
777zippy777 9 months ago
@shinene234 I mean, when's the last time a player won MVP on a team that didn't win at least 12 games? Oh yeah- Rich Gannon in 2002. Huh... almost a decade ago. Who knew?
777zippy777 9 months ago
I can also sit here and tell you Garcon droped a pass before he threw the pick if im not mistaken..he also dropped a td pass sometime during the game cant remember when. sometimes things like that just work against you. just like it worked against the colts against the jest this year. with less than a minute left they let the jets get into field goal range.....Peyton has done his best in puttin them in the lead with less than a minute or so to go.
shinene234 9 months ago
@shinene234 You silly Manning fans... that's your go-to excuse. Dropped passes. EVERY quarterback has to deal with dropped passes. Welker was one of the worst dropped-pass offenders in the NFL last year. It's all about how the QB comes back from that adversity. Manning proved in XLIV that he just does not possess that clutch gene. Under the immense pressure of that super bowl moment, he folded like a lawn chair.
777zippy777 9 months ago
There is no way you can count his rookie year. the team was 3-13 the season before he got there and you don't expect him to just come to the league and weave his magic wand. he was a starter from day one. Tom didn't do shit in his rookie year. dont even think he started any game. Like i said earlier, the 2001 was an experimental year which did not work so well and reason why Mora lost his job. People fail to acknowledge the fact that Brady has played for a HOF coach all his life....Peyton hasnt
shinene234 9 months ago
@shinene234 "don't even think he started any game" Wow... well, you just fucked your credibility right there, bud. The 2001 Pats were expected to do no better than 6-10 that preseason. They started 0-2 with Bledsoe. (Bledose went 5-13 under Belichick). In comes Brady and suddenly the Pats went 17-3 the rest of the season, including winning the super bowl.
Peyton took a 3-13 team and improved them to... 3-13. Yippee!
777zippy777 9 months ago
@777zippy777 If i'm not mistaken, Tom was drafted in 2000, thereby making 2000 his rookie year. I was talking about his rookie year. You can moan all about how low he was drafted but you cant blame no one for that.
shinene234 9 months ago
@shinene234 Yes, technically 2000 was Brady's rookie year and he was not thrown to the wolves like Manning. I get that. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Brady had attempted all of 3 passes before being asked to replace an all-pro QB who had just signed a monster contract... but then was shown the door to Buffalo after Brady's 2001 performance.
777zippy777 9 months ago
@shinene234 I never have moaned and never will moan about the fact that Brady was drafted #199 overall in the 2000 draft. That may just have been the source of his awesome powers. It's that drive to prove people wrong that helped make him so great. SIX other QBs were drafted before him and ALL of them are either out of the league or worthless backups somewhere. NONE of them amounted to anything. Manning already had the pedigree- Brady overcame much more adversity.
777zippy777 9 months ago
ok so how do you explain Tom not winnig a superbowl with both Randy and Wes if it was that easy.....he had them both for at least 2 years didnt he?
shinene234 9 months ago
@shinene234 When did I ever say winning a super bowl was easy? Winning a super bowl is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. One out of 32 teams gets to win it each year. But with Moss and Welker, Brady came within one insane pass play of winning his 4th super bowl. See, Brady put his team up 14-10 with 2:42 left... as opposed to Manning, who choked up a game-losing pick-six to kill any chance his team had of winning. BIG difference. And that's been the difference between these two since day one.
777zippy777 9 months ago
@shinene234 Only TWO players in NFL history have won multiple MVPs and multiple Super Bowls. TWO. That's excelling beyond excelling at both regular season AND postseason over the course of a career. Can you name the two players? I'll give you a hint: One is WIDELY considered by experts and fans to be the greatest QB in NFL history and the other is Tom Brady. BAM. 'Nuff said.
777zippy777 9 months ago
what you failed to mention is that same year, the colts were experimenting on their no huddle offense. every time you start out a new thing it dont always work straight away. how many players in the league history throw 23 picks and yet still have a 4000+ passing yards and 26 tds? Not many i can assure you. If i'm not mistaken that season and his rookie season are the only time the colts never won at least 10 games in a season. That's a league record.
shinene234 9 months ago
@shinene234 Well, the Brady-led Patriots have now won 11, 9, 14, 14, 10, 12, 16, 10 and 14 games. When 9-7 is the worst Brady has ever done, I'd say that trumps Peyton's 3-13 and 6-10 seasons.
777zippy777 9 months ago
Peyton Manning is the better QB, no disrespect to Brady as he's a tremendously gifted QB as well but i just think Payton pips it for me. You can argue up and down but facts are there for all to see. Peyton Manning has majority of the QB records and if you're going to judge a player by how many rings he's won then you're dumber than i think you are. i'll give you 3-4 greats of this game that don't have one single ring to their name but that dont make them any less of a great.
shinene234 9 months ago
@shinene234 Not to mention those 3 teams' ridiculously horrible pass defenses... Jags: 28th, Titans: 29th, Texans: dead last. Manning had the luxury of beating up on 3 teams with 3 of the 5-worst pass defenses in the league-- SIX times. And he STILL threw 17 INTs! Which was his worst showing in that category since his wretched 2001 season. Brady's never thrown more than 14 picks in ANY season.
777zippy777 9 months ago
Brady is the best QB EVER!!!! WAYYYYYY bttr thn manning, payton isnt evn in the same level as brady, i think the best qbs ever would hav to b brady, montana, marino, ryan, thn maybe manning
MultiMETALHEAD16 9 months ago
@MultiMETALHEAD16 well i see you used well organized points in your argument. you must be right. you're also highly intelligent, i mean, look at that superb use of english. dumbass
bktenn29 9 months ago
WATEVER YALL SAY DA TRUTH IZZ......MANNING'S DA BEST WILL ALWAYS BE DA BEST .....PLUS WHO'S DA ONE WHO BROKE LEGENDARY DAN MARINO'S TD PASSES RECORD.....DATS RITE....MANNING NOT BRADY.....MANNING ALL DA WAY
andrew91497 9 months ago
@andrew91497 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, ebonics boy. In 2004, Manning broke Marino's record. Then in 2007, Brady broke BOTH of their records. And I don't see anybody throwing for 51+ TDs anytime soon. The record is BRADY'S. Here, let's do a little math for ya:
50 > 49 > 48. Brady > Manning > Marino. 'Nuff said.
777zippy777 9 months ago
i have a feeling that this arguement will be going on forever even when they retire and are both in the HoF. in my opinnion both are the best QB's to ever play the game. i only give brady the edge because he has the rings
L2Pno0b 9 months ago
LOOK PEOPLE PEYTON MANNING AND TOM BRADY IS JUST THE SAME...THEY ARE GOOD OK SO Y IS EVERYONE FIGHTING OVER WHO'S THE BEST... FUCKIN GAY FUCKS
TheTheoryoflight 9 months ago
@TheTheoryoflight you sound smart... not
bktenn29 9 months ago
@bktenn29 thank you i know that im smart, and wat bout u dum ooo ok sorry for that dum ass.
TheTheoryoflight 9 months ago
@TheTheoryoflight holy shit stop proving my point. Please learn fucking english you idiot
bktenn29 9 months ago
@bktenn29 look whos the idiot one here, u fuckin started this shit so then you better finish it kid.
TheTheoryoflight 9 months ago
@TheTheoryoflight well I can see your english is improving, but your logic is still nonexistant. Don't worry, you'll get there some day. "So then you better finish it", that's kind of what I'm doing dumbass. How have I not been finishing it?
bktenn29 9 months ago
@bktenn29 WTF r u talkin about dumbass kid...i see that U r getting dumper and dumper wow, i feel sorry your ass boy.
TheTheoryoflight 9 months ago
@TheTheoryoflight wow did you really just say dumper and dumper. i dont give a shit if you feel sorry for me, but i really do feel sorry for the people that have to deal with you on a regular basis, you ignorant, worthless piece of shit
bktenn29 9 months ago
@bktenn29 worthless piece of shit? huh? i wonder whos the worthless piece of shit after i beat your ass down all fucked up, better watch your ass boy,or ill knock your ass down and you well never get back up normal anymore fuckin retard kid.
TheTheoryoflight 9 months ago
@TheTheoryoflight yeah, talk your shit over the internet. when your done, go get your food stamps
bktenn29 9 months ago
@bktenn29 yea cant say shit now huh retard fuck, and WTF r u talkin about food stamps...fuckin but ugly ass mother fucker.
TheTheoryoflight 9 months ago
@TheTheoryoflight haha what the hell are you talking about you are so dumb.
bktenn29 9 months ago
@bktenn29 haha what the hell are you talking about you are so dumb ,,), FUCK YOU...dumb mother fucker.
TheTheoryoflight 9 months ago
@TheTheoryoflight so you're gonna copy and paste me calling you dumb, and then call me dumb. i didn't know people as stupid as you existed. at least your english has improved a little since we've had this disagreement, except for that stupid ass ,,), thing that you put in your last comment. i don't know what the hell that's supposed to be. but it's ok, natural selection should take care of your kind shortly.
bktenn29 9 months ago
@bktenn29 if u dont know wat the fuck does that mean then u are one of the stupid ones, oh and dont worry natural selection will take care of me from people like u...that dont understand shit, all u people know is to start shit with other people and cause choas to the world, u people dont know what real piece means just being drunk and trash the this pieceful world that we live in. so i hope that the natural selection that u speak of, save the people that understand's true friends and piece.
TheTheoryoflight 9 months ago
@TheTheoryoflight a couple things: nobody fucking knows what that means, it doesn't mean anything except to dumbasses like you who put random punctuation for no reason. Next, "that don't understand shit" what the fuck? Did you get past first grade? Next, look at your very first comment, before I even came in, and tell me you weren't starting shit with everyone who thought one of the QBs was better. Yeah, bitch. Ill finish this in a new comment
bktenn29 9 months ago
@TheTheoryoflight next, choas? Bad spelling, but thats nothing new from you. Also, piece? Wow before your next stupid comment, go get a dictionary so I can at least read it. Next, you're making comments with more spelling mistakes, sentences that make no sense, and you have terrible arguments. And I'm the one thats drunk & trash? Think again. Next, "pieceful (I guess u mean peaceful) world"? You really think our world is peaceful? You obviously turn a blind eye to everything going on around you
bktenn29 9 months ago
@bktenn29 first thing:i dont even care about my spelling. second thing: i think that you are one of those retard people that just got their ass knock the fuck OUT and still dont know how to shut up fuck up.third thing: r u white or black or asian or what?, because if your asian u r makin us look bad...and if your black your makin them look retarded...AND if your white just go hang yourself. lastly: i dont care about wat u think about me, its just annoying, like a fly flying around u, being dumb
TheTheoryoflight 9 months ago
@TheTheoryoflight first, I'm knocking your ass the fuck out with these comments, not the other way around. Even a blind person could see that. Next, so your asian? I thought asians were supposed to be smart? You're the dumbest asian I've ever seen. "And if your white just go hang yourself", so you couldn't think of anything clever there? Nothing new, you haven't said anything clever in this whole argument. And you should care, bc I'm tellin you the truth, maybe if you listen you could fix it
bktenn29 9 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
DONT READ THIS CAUSE IT ACTUALLY WORKS YOU WILL GET KISSED ON THE NEAREST POSSIBLE FRIDAY BY THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE. 2MORROW WILL BE THE BEST DAY OF YOUR LIFE. HOWEVER IF YOU DO NOT POST THIS COMMENT TO AT LEAST 3 VIDEOS YOU WILL DIE WITHIN 2 DAYS. NOW UV STARTED READING THIS SO DUNT STOP. THIS IS SO SCARY. PUT THIS ON AT LEAST 5 VIDEOS IN 143 MINUTES WHEN UR DONE PRESS F6 AND UR LOVERS NAME WILL APPEAR ON THE SCREEN IN BIG LETTERS. THIS IS SO SCARY CUZ IT ACTUALLYWORK
Blorbifink 10 months ago
Brady cuz 199 overall duh. And even though he has better O-Lines he has had plenty of different receivers and Manning has had mostly the same players each season. So in that case Brady. And I'm a die hard fan of the Vikings not the Patriots.
MasterSmasherXD 10 months ago
brady has won more super bowl wins manning only won 1 and went to 2 but brady has went to 4 won 3 that amazing go new england patriots
mrwolfmanable 10 months ago
In my opinion Tom Brady not close Too Peyton Manning! Go COLTS!
TaylorGang1990 10 months ago
i did not finish he woked with wayne and gar wtf ever his name was
mattwin19 10 months ago
well guys.... Brady is blacker go Brady! jk but yea how can you compare these guys? one of the guys had one of the best wide outs ever but Mr. Beast - Perfect - badass (Brady) had a very good deffence but if you look at this year Brady worked with the worst deffence in the leag. ( or atleast 1 on them ) with 2 rookie te and some little quick bitches. Manning before i say anything i dont want 2 hear ahhhhhhhhhh Manning teams was hurt blah im a troll blah!!!! i done give a shit - Brady aaaaa yea
mattwin19 10 months ago
I would rather have Peyton Manning on my team in his prime than Tom Brady. Both are elite but Peyton, to me, is just a bit better
hoodfella2903 10 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Why can't everyone agree that they are both two of the greatest QBs to play the game?
GoodMorningRussia 10 months ago
Comment removed
GoodMorningRussia 10 months ago
THREE quarterbacks in NFL history have won at least 2 MVPs and at least 2 championships: Unitas, Montana and.... Brady.
Nuff said.
777zippy777 10 months ago
brady will always be the best hes gonna be ni the NFL hall of fame we all know it and payton manning big frick hes a fucking pussy tom brady worked his way up did his time in the minors had his bad seasons and good seasons and hes won 4 superbowls named MVP of the superbowls 3 times so brady is the best no doubt about it payton manning can go suck a cock like he always does plus brady has got the best hair ever and we all know that is why Tom Bradt will always be the best ang NOT payton manning!
bradyrokz273 10 months ago
im a raider fan but i beleive brady is better, of course manning has the better stats but Brady did his regular season having stats that were not crazy like with 30+ TD passes. He won his superbowls without having the great season. 28 TD passes and 14 interceptions in one of those seasons. but i think brady did best in the playoffs where it really counted.
243Abolerz 11 months ago
Theres a reason why Peyton Manning was rated #3 QB of All-Time. and Brady was #28 I think. lol. Peyton Has like 95% of all Passing Records, More Touchdowns, Higher Completion Percentage, Higher Accuracy, more passing yards, more 4,000 passing yard seasons, and has 4 MVPs and a SB MVP, 49 Carrer 4th Quarter Combacks. One of them was quoted "Best game of All-Time" vs. Patriots in 2009. He camback to win 35-34 from a 21 point deficit And hes gaurunteed a Hall of Fame induction and SB Ring.Go Colts
SantmyreFilms 11 months ago
Remember how underated Brady was!
6th round!
He went against amazing ODDS
XxPatsRuleXx 11 months ago
@XxPatsRuleXx seventh round chief.
austin570 11 months ago
@austin570 R u dumb???? Search up Tom Brady on wikipedia & right there..... Sixth round 199th pick. SmartA***
XxPatsRuleXx 10 months ago
BRADY is the best in the NFL right now....
You have to admit tht colts fans.
Think about it.
Of course I hate the colts and manning BUT,
When manning was better I admited so....
BRADY is the best quarterback in the NFL right now
XxPatsRuleXx 11 months ago
@XxPatsRuleXx As much as i dont like the packers. What about Aaron Rogers. I understand it was this season, but will things be alot better for time to come, for him?
GhostXoP 11 months ago
@XxPatsRuleXx: No, Brady isn't.
He never was the best. Manning is, and Big Ben and Rodgers are heirs to the throne.
Brady was a few plays here and there 10 years ago from not even being in the discussion.
sptrfn 10 months ago
@sptrfn Are you retarded? He has the most touchdowns in a single season, most consecutive pass attempts without an interception, 2 superbowl mvps, 2 regular season mvps, 4 afc championships, 3 superbowl championships, and several other records i'm forgeting done with average receivers before 2007 and he isn't better than ben rapelisberger and aaron rodgers?
cj62392 10 months ago
@sptrfn You are a moron. "a few plays here and there 10 years ago" which completely ignores everything he's done since 2002: won 2 more super bowls... won 2 MVPs... led a team to the only 16-0 season in league history... set the record for most TD passes in a season... led the NFL in TD passes 3 times... posted the 2nd-highest passer rating ever... won 2 OPOY awards...
The "best" QB in the NFL doesn't throw 11 INTs in a span of 3 games, clown. OR a pick-6 to lose a super bowl.
777zippy777 10 months ago
@777zippy777 Thank you u know proved my point!
XxPatsRuleXx 10 months ago
@sptrfn Roethlisberger has benefited from great defenses 10x more than Brady has. When Roeth can lead a team to 14-2 with one of the worst defenses in the league, then I'll be impressed. Brady did that in 2010 and was unanimous MVP.
Rodgers looks like the real deal, I'll give you that. But you're still a delusional idiot.
777zippy777 10 months ago
@777zippy777: For Brady, though, he has always had good offensive lines, and he is in a system that makes him look good because it usually gives him pristine conditions. Big Ben is usually getting the crap kicked out of him. If Big Ben had Brady's protection, he would put up even better numbers.
sptrfn 10 months ago
@sptrfn Yeah, Brady has a good O-line... until they get to the postseason. vs Giants: 5 sacks. vs Ravens: 3 sacks. vs Jets: 5 sacks. It's easy for Brady-haters to give credit to everything else OTHER than Brady. That's just what they do. But Brady isn't a slam-dunk future HOFer because of " a few plays here and there 10 years ago". That statement is just retarded.
777zippy777 10 months ago
@sptrfn Ru kidding me? How is Manning the best he cannot lead his team anymore. Addai cant run anymore! So Wat will he do.... pass the ball. He's getting into pressure situations where he folds, and the only reason he won super bowls becuz Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne and the Rest of the Colts where in the zone. With teammates like Blair white and Austin Collie he cant play 4 beans. The Colts have folded and so has manning welcome to a new dynasty of the Patriots, Packers and Steelers!
XxPatsRuleXx 10 months ago
@XxPatsRuleXx lol... I'm all for another Pats-dominant decade... but please not the Steelers! Steelers fans are a close-second only to Colts fans in the "I despise Tom Brady" dept. I think there's no question that Manning still leads the Colts though. I'll give him that. Even carries them like Brady carried the Pats in 2010. It's really coming down to defense and timing in the postseason. The Jets had it that day- the Pats didn't.
777zippy777 10 months ago
@XxPatsRuleXx But I will say that the whole theory of "Put Manning on any team and they instantly become playoff contenders" is total bullshit. The only reason the Colts made the playoffs in 2010 is because they played in the 2nd-worst division in the NFL. Manning struggled without his usual weapons-- what makes them think he'd do any better on an actual CRAPPY team?
777zippy777 10 months ago
@777zippy777 Totally Correct!
XxPatsRuleXx 10 months ago
@777zippy777
well you just have to agree with that comment "put manning on any team and they instantly become a playoff contender" when with a jaded and injured team he passed for 4700yrds and threw 33 TDS.......Hate him as much as you like but that is pretty special when you think he was throwing to back ups for majority of the season.
shinene234 9 months ago
@shinene234 No, I do not agree with that comment at all. Put Manning on the 2001 Colts and what happened? He threw 23 INTs and led the Colts to 6-10. Take away Dallas Clark and some of his other toys and what happened? 11 picks in 3 games including 4 pick-sixes. The only reason the Colts slopped a playoff berth last year was because they played in the 2nd-worst division in the league. 8-8 Jags, 6-10 Texans, 6-10 Titans. That's 6 games against pitiful competition.
777zippy777 9 months ago
@shinene234 You wanna talk about injuries and lesser personnel? Oh poor Peyton... Brady lost his entire starting backfield (Maroney, Faulk), his go-to hall of fame WR, plus 3/5 of his starting O-line for half the season (Mankins, Neal) and another on IR the entire season (Kaczur). AND had such incomperable talent like Woodhead (undrafted FA, cut by Jets), BJGE (undrafted FA), two rookie TEs and a has-been cast-off from Seattle who's career was irrelevant when he wasn't catching passes from T.B.
777zippy777 9 months ago
And its not like adam had to kick a red zone field goal eather. If brady got him into sure kicking position thats a different story. A fifty yarder is all up to the kicker. Do you remember the saints superbowl when stover missed the 50 yarder? Not such an easy kick is it? That was all a team effort.
1992gabe 1 year ago
And i suppose trent dilfer was the reason the ravens won, ray lewis was the mvp. Dion Branch is a superbowl MVP and you say brady won that alone? Manning i admit wasn't the reason the colts won, and his field goal kicker wasn't the reason they won either. But bob sanders turned the ball over. In this past superbowl, do you think the packs would have won without the two picks and forced fumble? How is the superbowl won by a QB. i see 11 men on the field not 1.
1992gabe 1 year ago
@1992gabe The pack wouldn't have won without the interceptions, but your looking at it completely backwards: Would Big ben have won if he had not thrown those two passes?
exodus3115 1 year ago
@exodus3115 You said QB's win superbowls that is an arguement. Eli manning is a franchise qb? he won a superbowl? I don't even know the bears qb's name but i am sure walter peyton won that superbowl. And why would i look at it like that? We are talking about how a qb wins superbowls, turmovers are what causes a team to win. It takes a defence. Had bens defence caused a turnover htey would have won. Remember the ravens game. That one turnover from ray rice shifted the momentum.
1992gabe 1 year ago