The Punk Patriot * You Don't Want to Pay Taxes?

[mjbarrowful]

The reason people complain about taxes is not they are against all of the things the government does per se.Taxes are an act of aggression and force. The sector of society that tries to gain a monopoly on violence steals private property from individuals and then wastes it on a whole bunch of stupid shit like wars, drug policy, subsidies, corporate welfare, bank bailouts, ineffective departments ect. I wish I could opt out of the entire system like he stated but the slave drivers won't allow it

[rseyedoc]

Wrong! I could drive on the roads because they are paid for by gas taxes and the socialist public schools are paid for by propert tax. Without an immoral and unethical robbing of those who work hard for their money, there would be more incentive for people to start their own busineses and make more money. Competiton would drive the costs of private schools down and improve the quality of education. That kid was right.

[zigzigerblat]

You are so right man. These morons don't understand what freedom is. Perhaps because they did not have access to education. Look up the rankings for countries by personal freedoms and freedom of the press. Thats right we rank nowhere near the top and all of the countries above us are socialist.

[exbluesfan]

Yup ! Taxes are fan freakin tastic !!! What a moron ,Federal taxes are the problem!!!

I made 50k last year ....all totaled govt took 16k from me . I got 3200 back with no interest yea taxes are great if your on govt cheese !!! Loser

[doobsta]

lol...I have never seen someone so clueless, voice his opinion on a subject he could barely grasp, so well!!

Taxes for the most part...go straight to the oligarchs to cover the interest payments on loans...not to pave roads.. not for SS...not for education...

smoke and mirrors...when you get a clue, your opinion may reflect it, and eventually resonate more with intelligent people.

.

For now, you are just a sheep blindly sticking up for the corporate masters.

Minion boot licker....

[thecomingdepression]

Now that is one dumb person! Taxes go to pay the BANKER and GOVERNMENT FRAUD!

[elTiburon1971]

You are so wrong on so many levels that there is no point in debating you.

Guess Punk Patriot is Latin for herd sheep?

[LY8Ze7xK]

I consider my civic duty to avoid taxes. The government controls you with tax policy. They take your money and then make you grovel to get a portion of it back.

[tdominic1186]

dude... it was just a t-shirt...

[fredwallin815]

You stole my somalia idea. Great video!

[skildea29]

Pretty dumb. Way to name the few things conservatives don't mind paying taxes for - roads, military, cops, and firemen. Let's cut EVERYTHING else - especially funding for horrendous schools and for Social Security, which I'll never see. You don't look old enough to have paid much in taxes either boy. Let me keep the FICA taxes and I'll take care of my own retirement and educate my 4 kids the way I see fit.

Stupid ideas are no less stupid when spoken rapidly and edited like a bad MTV clip.

[grimm61111]

actually, you should watch freedom to fascism.... you'll learn a lot about taxes. most taxes we pay are just fine. whn ppl say they dont wana pay taxes, its the federal tax. which illegal because its a direct un-apportioned tax from our labor paychecks (different from income) the people that pocket 30% of everyones money charge our govt intrest for printing our money....which the govt could do itself. its a giant crime racket and you saying that we'll be unsafe or services will stop is absurd

[jake4569]

The only reason I don't want to pay taxes is because i do not want to support the fucked up foreign policy this country runs. If we all didn't pay taxes then the genocide would certainly stop, I shouldn't be forced in paying for a massive war i don't support.

[johny344]

Taxes pay off debt, well the interest on debt. Government programs are payed for with debt

[totheman]

So theft is good as long as some other people benefit from it?

[itzzcj]

haha what an uneducated hill billy

[Maxwedge12000]

Some taxes are necessary but we should eliminate a lot of them.

[ThePunkPatriot]

Well that's just reasonable sounding.

[AmericaFyeah1776]

This jackass spends the entire video building a strawman to attack in a childish rant.

Not all taxes are bad. We are against taxes that redistribute earned wealth which is just another word for stealing.

Your idea of opting out of a tax is laughable when in reality the problem is that there are those enjoying services that have not paid anything. 47% do not even pay federal income tax but have the same voice with their representatives on how the money is redistributed.

[AmericaFyeah1776]

If you and I shared a bank account into which you deposited a weekly check and I didn't, how long would you continue to deposit your check when I started making car payments out of it?

[ThePunkPatriot]

Do I get roads and bridges and public schools and NASA and shit if I do?

Because if that's the case, I would gladly deposit money in that account.

[ThePunkPatriot]

"We are against taxes that redistribute earned wealth which is just another word for stealing."

You mean, ALL TAXES?

[hearder2]

Yes true.But america was founded because the colonists were getting taxed so much they could barley survive.And it sounds like america now.lol And no i dont want to pay taxes so that government officials.Can have million dollar sex orgies and drug parties.If i know where my cash going yes ill pay my taxes.Untill then the government can pay for there own hookers.And drug parties.And bail out criminal organizations with there "OWN BANK ACCOUNTS".

[rblevdawg]

I agree that it could be offensive, to an intolerent individual, to wear a t-shirt that says "the lord giveth and the government taketh away". Displaying your religion on a t-shirt is in poor taste. My opinion. However, about the tax thing, this "great society" that government provides us through taxes is a myth. Civilized societies are possible when individuals are responsible for themselves.

[ThePunkPatriot]

BULLSHIT.

Western Europe is drowning in taxes, and they are a shining example of the "Great Society."

By contrast, Somalia, Afghanistan, and other economically free places (like Chile under Pinochet) have almost no, or no taxes. And they are anarchic.

Your libertarian wet dream is violently rejected by reality. Study history.

[rblevdawg]

Wet dream, I like that. I have studied different versions of history and have come to the conclusion that the source of humanity's problems is trying to tell each other how to live.

[niggerfaggot360]

I saw patriot and expected a teabagger but it was a good vid.

[Jesusfleabop]

squarepusher!

[ThePunkPatriot]

hell yes

[joshgura]

your message and your nickname seem to be a bit disparate. is this intentional? not trying to knock you, but i am legitimately curious.

[CarribeanBeachbum06]

People are arguing that Government over reaches and spends OUR money stupidly. Government uses envy to divide the Nation and steals money from those who work.

[R0773N]

Childish argument. Nobody's arguing for no taxes except anachists.

[joshgura]

hey trichenosis, did you watch 'money masters' before? also, have you been exposed to ayn rand?

[trichenosis]

Yes and yes.

Our monetary policy is all messed up, that's true.

Athem was great, Atlas shrugged was utter nonsense. The CEOs go on strike? Fine. We're the ones who actually know how to make stuff and operate the machines, and buy the products.

They need us far more than we need them.

[LOCALfocus2000]

@trichenosis Sigh. Hey, Rush fan. FUCK AYN RAND.

[THEUTUBEHATER]

Most people that you are talking about, just don't want to pay more in taxes. And it is sicking that everything in life is tax even death.

I guess if you like taxes so much, how about you get a second job and with that job just start paying off the national debt. lol

[trichenosis]

Death is only taxed if you're a multi-millionaire.

That's because people like Rockefeller thought that it was terrible that anybody should be able to be rich simply by living off of money that isn't doing anything but sitting in a bank accruing interest.

[THEUTUBEHATER]

Well first it isn't called a death tax. It is called an estate tax and you don't have to be a millionaire to be tax.

First it is a catch 22 since the money has already been tax. The government is not suppost to "double tax" you. It is also against there own laws.

The government has NO right to tax your estate after you die and again you don't have to be a millionaire.

[trichenosis]

Unless you're a multi-millionaire, the government does not tax your estate.

That just doesn't happen.

[THEUTUBEHATER]

If the estate is value at one million $. The rate which you would be tax 45% for 2009.

That doesn't seem fair if taxes have already been taken from that $1 million.

[trichenosis]

It's not 1 million though, it's much higher than that.

[rhysfawr4]

Trichy, I am gonna risk your ire and disagree with you here. How about if governments made it a primary goal to work towards citizens NOT paying taxes, by taking the tax dollars we pay now ('in the past' would have been nice too) and investing them wisely, instead of wasting them wantonly? Theoretically then, once they had built enough of a (let's call it a 'heritage') fund they could use the dosh they produce from the wise investment of said fund to cover the many services mentioned. (Norway?)

[trichenosis]

I think that infrastructure, public schools and universities, libraries, fire departments, police departments, roads and bridges, etc are all good investments.

They all help make commerce possible, and help to create skilled labor.

[rhysfawr4]

I, of course, agree the publice services you mentioned are all great investments.

My point was that if those investments into social programs were funded by the fiscally successful government management of your tax dollars, taxes could be reduced, no?

[trichenosis]

Certainly. And that's an excellent reason to get involved in politics-- to make sure that your tax money isn't spent wastefully.

Single Payer Health care is cheaper for everybody involved, and is the most efficient use of money.

If I'm being taxed a relatively small portion of my income to pay for health care, versus paying what would be a much larger sum out of pocket, and the entire system uses less money in administrative costs, that seems like a good public investment.

[bryanxt]

You're right in that people should expect to pay for services they receive. IMO, the real issue is forced taxation vs. not forced. If we are to honor the pledge of "liberty for all" then people need to have the choice of what services they want (and will pay for) or not. There is no liberty with forced taxation.

[trichenosis]

The reason we have taxes is that it spreads the cost of a functioning society over everybody, ideally in proportion to their ability to afford it.

We can all agree that there is a certain basic standard of living that we think is acceptable for a developed nation. It's what seperates us from 3rd world nations.

Many in America fall below that, and there are areas of the USA that are actually worse off than third world countries.

Society wouldn't function if everything was pay as you go.

[bryanxt]

Thanks. Yes, there are benefits to certain standards, IMO, the question comes down to jurisdiction and force. It is certainly reasonable for some areas in the USA to have high level of services for people who want that (and pay for it). Other areas may not want them. Choice = liberty. If there is a forced federal income tax then to be free you must leave the taxing jurisdiction (ie: the county) to seek liberty.

[trichenosis]

If people have no ability to pay for services they need, how are they supposed to get them unless they are provided by an outisde force?

BTW Article 1 section 8 of the US Constitution-- "to provide for the general welfare"

[bryanxt]

If people can't pay for what they need then it is our responsibility to give of ourselves to assure they can live humanely & w/ dignity if we wish to live in a civilized society- 99+% I know do. We don't need the greedy & heartless. Forcing people to pay requires the initiation of violence. Social pressure is a different matter.

The general welfare clause is in the preamble which the SCOTUS ruled assigns no powers. Article 1 sec 8 limits the powers of Congress. Which are you referring to?

[trichenosis]

It is within the scope of power for the Federal government to tax, in order to provide for the general welfare of the people.

It's also in the Constitution (amendment 16, I believe) to lay taxes on income.

Ain't nothin' more American than taking care of one another.

[bryanxt]

Yes, the 16A does grant taxing powers- added on our march to collectivism. What is the ethical or moral justification for it since it relies on the use of force against people who have done nothing wrong? The 16A needs to go if we are to honor "liberty for all".

I agree, there isn't anything more American than taking care of others, the issue is the use of deadly force to take from others. How is that liberty?

[bryanxt]

If you are not free, what good is anything else? Do you want to force people to pay taxes to maintain a "functional" society that meets your standard? How is that standard not arbitrary?

[trichenosis]

Is Somalia a functioning society? They don't have taxes, or government services.

Was Chile under Pinochet a functioning society? They cut almost all government services and cut taxes almost entirely.

[bryanxt]

What happens in Somalia is irrelevant to the philosophy of liberty. Still, Somalia's problems actually stem from too much government since WWII, things like UN intervention & military dictatorships leading to civil war. Their fiat currency was debased by over printing to fund wars and feed the politically connected. Sound familiar? They have been wiped out by hyperinflation. Let's hope the IMF doesn't do any more damage.

[trichenosis]

Yes, total anarchy is caused by too much government.

That makes total sense.

And Somalia is totally relevant. If the philosophy is sound, it needs to apply in all countries under all circumstances.

[bryanxt]

Yes, too much government will consume all the wealth of a country, by taxation and/or inflation which leads to a collapse. Rome had the same problem. The video with id DioQooFIcgE explains it (also found w/ a Youtube search of "American Form of Government")

The philosophy is liberty is sound- the video muHg86Mys7I explain it. (Or search "Philosophy of Liberty").

[trichenosis]

Well, if that government redistributes that wealth to the labor class-- the ones who are incidentally most likely the spend it, you don't have to worry about that.

The Labor class drives the economy. Their labor creates all wealth, and their consumption drives all economics.

Without government intervention in the economy, society collapses, like Argentina, Indonesia, Chile, Bolivia, Venezuela et al during the 1970s

Milton Freidman was wrong.

[bryanxt]

What is your moral or ethical justification to take the fruits of ones labor for redistribution? What if someone refuses? Do you send in police to force them to pay? Is it OK to kill them if they defend themselves? Would you personally do this or would you pay others to carry out aggression on your behalf? Do you think that keeping the fruits of ones labor is essential for liberty?

[trichenosis]

People generally don't keep the fruits of their labor though.

Most people labor in sectors of the economy where the fruit of their labor is used by the management class as capital, and the compensation that the labor class is given is less than the value of their labor-- it has to be in order for the management class and investor class to make a profit.

[trichenosis]

The people who are being taxed the most generally don't actually PERFORM any real labor. Most companies in the USA today are "hollow", with all work being done by subcontractors, with the hollow company simply skimming off the top as they pass the work along to be performed by somebody else.

I don't think it would be unfair to tax this sort of profit at 100% since the only work that was done was finding a subcontractor do their job.

[bryanxt]

I understand the point of subcontracting but in this case, as all others, all parties (corporations, subcontractors and customers) are making mutually beneficial exchanges or they wouldn't do it. What principle gives anyone else the right to stake a claim in this private exchange?

IMO, there are much strong issues to go after starting with getting rid of legal corporate advantages. Next is perusing an ideology where we aren't born slaves to the land barrens.

[bryanxt]

Exactly, but what is to stop them from starting their own business? A lot actually- like massive regulation that favors large scale operations. As well, small business owners are liable for everything- corporation owners (ie: shareholders) are legally insulated- why is this? Corporations benefit in the long run at almost every turn of big government. Freedom (ie: a level playing field) fixes this.

[bryanxt]

Don't get me wrong- the labor class in this country is getting a raw deal, but that is caused by too much government such as corporate welfare, corporate personhood, over regulation, and other legalized advantages for corporations. We now have a system of corporatism, not free markets.

Friedrich Hayek was right. Search for "The Road to Serfdom".

[trichenosis]

corporate personhood, corporate welfare, and poorly written regulations that tilt the market in the favor of large conglomerates that can afford extensive facilities for performing tests on their products are indeed all bad things.

I don't think eliminating all regulation is the solution though. We have fire codes today because of the Triangle Shirt Factory fire, where employees were locked in a burning building.

What we need is good regulation, not no regulation.

[bryanxt]

Basically agree here, with preference for as local of regulation as possible.

[trichenosis]

I'm glad we can agree then.

But that's not a true "free-market".

Regulation was seen by Milton Freidman and his disciples as being "market distortions" that all needed to be eliminated.

What was odd, was the more he eliminated these "market distortions" the worse things got, and so the more he blamed things on government interference.

[bryanxt]

It's really a matter of jurisdiction, available choices, contract agreement and only using force for just means. If everyone in a community wants certain regulations then they can agree to them. It wouldn't be liberty supporting to prevent them from self-organizing / regulating to their own standards.

[wildabeast11235]

@trichenosis agreed, but unfortunately the people with the most money and power within a society will always control and manipulate the levers of power, this leading to the type of regulation favoring corporate dominance. so how do you propose we protect the levers of power from corruption by the wealthy?

[bryanxt]

Taxing to ones ability to pay is one of the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto- it is not found in the US Constitution. Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that our country isn't screwed up, but a serious analysis shows the issue to be too much government control (and taxes) that gets hijacked by a robber class and leaves us in the dirt. Freedom fixes this- it is the answer. I'd be more than happy to talk more on this with you.

[TheDastardlyDildo]

is this video a joke? i don't remember why i subscribed to you. i must've had a reason, but seriously, wtf is this?

[TheDastardlyDildo]

what the fuck is this shit? people should not be forced to fund an institution if they think that it's misusing it's resources, and just because that institution doesn't allow any competition, doesn't mean that people who don't want to support it should leave their homes. if the government makes their low quality, shit product unavoidable, i shouldn't have to move, it's their fault. THEY/YOU can fuck off. i'll stay.

[trichenosis]

That's exactly what I said.

If you don't' want to pay taxes, that's fine. But you don't get to benefit from tax dollars either.

[TheDastardlyDildo]

we aren't given a choice. the government does not allow competition.

[trichenosis]

Doesn't allow competition with what?

You want other people to tax you and provide the services of government? Is that just... government?

And don't towns and states compete for your residency?

[TheDastardlyDildo]

it should be voluntary.

[PersonalJesus348]

The federal reserve is a private bank....

[bryanxt]

Actually it's a hybrid system, the board is appointed by the president but the branch banks are private.

[trichenosis]

And a whole other can of worms

[Saaduk92]

Say that to the kids face and record it when he cries.

[nero8289]

Well I agree,and dissagree with this,but i want time to think it over befor I comment,and look like a jackass.

[radiofriendly]

odd timing for this topic, Punk. What about those of us who want these things done locally? - many of them are--including the schools.

[trichenosis]

Do you pay property tax?

[Pleblian]

Well said sir!

[davisfleetwood]

Ash

Got the shirt. Love it. I'll wear it in an upcoming video.

IS this a shorter version of the video you posted on current?

[trichenosis]

I saw that! I totally didn't expect it either, so it was a surprise! I don't think there could be anything more regional for the Hermit than that basement!

Oh, and this video here should be the same exact length as the one on current.

[dusteroo]

Taxes aren't inherently a problem.

The problem is: In America, many taxes fund things without my permission, and many of those particular things I feel shouldn't exist (ends up contradicting me in some way eventually). There's been countless occassions where tax spending has breached the law.

Additionally, It's basically impossible to get a clear view on what your taxes are funding. Un-American !

Just because some kid doesn't have a job doesn't mean his opinion isn't legit.

[trichenosis]

In pursuit of intellectually honest debate here-- that's a different argument.

"I don't like how my taxes are sometimes spent" is very different from "The government is stealing from me!"

[dusteroo]

" 'I don't like how my taxes are sometimes spent" is very different from "The government is stealing from me!' "

NOT true.

[battousaiashe]

While I don't like taxes (who does, really?), I understand they're necessary. However, and this is the big point for me, I think they should be proportionate. Scaled to your income, if you will. It would take some accountants a week or two to create the chart and formulas and then we implement them and we're groovy. But I suppose that's a little bit communist too. Whoops.

[imjustagirl776]

Awesome rant, Punk :o) Loved the

[imjustagirl776]

t-shirt song and dance at the end... and my laptop hiccuped.

[caltrop69]

Granting your premise that aggression is OK (?) for feel-good things, I still see flaws, here (Aside from your apparent desire to address the argument to a teenager):

1) You don't differentiate between Income and Sales taxes. A sales tax is voluntarily paid by an individual.

2) Not everyone opposed to income taxes is some nutty military fan.

3) Social Security and Medicare are running out of money. College is expensive due to government subsidization.

4) Vitriol isn't compelling.

[RenegadeTimes]

Thought you were doing a satire at first. Realized that you think you know how the tax system works. Lost a subscriber...cause can't follow the ill informed...see ya

[trichenosis]

HAHAHAH! Whatever.

[RenegadeTimes]

That's what my boyfriend use to say when we were 16 and dating. Still popular with a bit more mature audience I see.

Brilliant answer ~

[Hedonophobia]

Im confused. Are you implying that public services arn't funded by taxes?

[trichenosis]

Yeah, that's the reason for my "whatever" response-- everything that government does is funded by taxes.

If RenegadeTimes wants to explain why I'm wrong, I welcome the debate.

[caltrop69]

"Taxes" is too broad a category, I think, to keep this discussion within reason.

Why don't we discuss whether an Income tax or a Sales/ Use tax is a better vehicle for communities to pay for the services they want.

Here's a dirty little secret: Some of us don't give a damn about what happens to some dude halfway across the continent. We care more for those in our actual communities.

I'd like to see a local sales tax only. The percentage that goes to the Feds would be voted on locally.

[EvolvedOutlaw]

It's hilarious how obviously misinformed you are. Have you not been wacthing or listening to this guys videos the whole time? If you couldn't tell this was his stance long before this video came out, you are a moron.

[RenegadeTimes]

Someone sent me one of his vids. I half watched it. Then today watched this one. I would be a moron if I continued to listen to this "peron's" channel. He is silly and ill informed which I did not realize until I listened all through this video. Those who follow this channel ....good luck lol BTW your paycheck taxes do not funnel to the areas he has presented. Look it up .

Debate is fine when someone is armed with real information. This would be a circus...at best...

[EvolvedOutlaw]

First off, the taxes are used to the things he presented. Is that everything they are used for? No, of course not. That doesn't make taxes evil, just inefficient. So it is up to a countries citizens to deand accountablitiy of every tax dollar spent. With attitudes like yourself nothing can ever be accomplished together. I am from Canada and my taxes are much higher than yours. Thankfully, we have universal healthcare and not the dreadful system you Americans calle a healthcare system.

[caltrop69]

Wouldn't it be great if you could drop your taxes by 20%, evolved Outlaw, and put them into a tax exempt account, instead?

You'd have a TON of money available to pay a doctor, directly, for potential health issues that will, inevitably, arise...

And you wouldn't have paid one penny for a bureaucrat or politician.

It would be you + doctor = You spend less + doctor makes more.

A match made in heaven, in my opinion. The two individuals involved in the transaction are better off.

[EvolvedOutlaw]

wrong again. i have experienced both ends of this spetrum and know full well which system is beneficial to majority of citizens.

thanks for asking though.

[caltrop69]

Wrong "again"?

I don't understand why people rewrite history on Youtube. Those who are interested will make up their own minds. Those who aren't don't care.

I have experienced the end of the spectrum where I'm called by my doctor, because I'm not visiting him enough.

Beat that, Canadian.

Imagine if I actually had a health issue.

[EvolvedOutlaw]

I think I already did beat it. I'm at the end of the spectrum where all can afford to go to the doctor and get the treatment they need. I don't care if my doctor calls me. I get calls from my dentist if its time to see him to, guess what? That's because that isn't universal and he only makes money if clients show up and use his services. Perhaps that's why your doctor calls you. Geuss you didn't think of that.

[caltrop69]

Didn't "think" of it? It's a given.

I don't understand why you think wanting to make money is a "bad" thing.

It's easy to NOT make money...Just commit suicide. You'll make nothing.

[EvolvedOutlaw]

I don't remember saying making money was a bad thing. You think a doctor in canada doesn't make money? That's not what we are talking about. I was talkng about the fact that EVERYONE is covered. I'd rather that than only a select few can afford it. That is truly a DEATH PANEL.

[caltrop69]

Sure a doctor in Canada makes money.

U.S. Doctors make more. I get better care.

As far as I'm concerned, none of the individuals in that situation are losing.

I don't care if "EVERYONE" has "health insurance". I care about the legitimization of theft. You can spend the money on whatever you want. It doesn't change the fact that the money was taken from me, without permission.

To keep the debate honest, it's only fair to point out that lack of health insurance doesn't prevent care.

[EvolvedOutlaw]

Okay, the fact that you said that you don't care if everyone in your country has healthcare or insurance already explains a lot about you. We are clearly different people. If you call pooling everyone's money together to foot the bill for anyone who happens to need it theft, well I really have no hope for America and their healthcare reform. And yes, ans american doctor makes more, but the population receives less.

[EvolvedOutlaw]

Your country is not ranked very high in healthcare across the globe. Your countries life expectancy is also not very good. Your doctors wallet is fatter,congatulations. You might even have better equipment, congratulations. The draw back is hardly any of your fellow citizens have access to any of this equipment. Sad, sad, sad.

[caltrop69]

You might be right on all accounts. Either way, I've got something you, as a collectivist, obviously don't understand: Freedom. Have you ever done the calculation for how many hours per year you work solely for government?

It is quite apparent that, without resolving the premise that taking from some to help others is "good" that any higher level arguments based on the premise will fail.

We are at an impasse, sir/madame. I would request you let it die a natural death.

[EvolvedOutlaw]

And so it shall be. I don't like tags like collectivists/individualists as there are things where i think collectivism and individualism can co exist. A compatiblism of sorts. I live in one of the freest countries in the world. I enjoy many of the same rights you as an american enjoy. Not trying to compare us to you, just saying that it doesn't make you a socialist to want a socialized healthcare system. as odd as that may sound to most.

[caltrop69]

This is a complete tangent (an ironic one, considering your response regarding labels): Why do you refer to me as an "American"...

Aren't we BOTH Americans?

It's not really a pet-peave, or anything. I just think this is a funny evolution of language.

I think it's due to the fact that "Canadian" is easier to say than "United States Citizen," or "USAian", or...Whatever.

I'm a Californian. I say that because I'm also a Federalist. I believe the U.S. is comprised of 50 Sovereignties.

[EvolvedOutlaw]

Yes but me calling you "american" says nothing about you other than what country you reside in. Calling me a "collectivist" gives people a preconceived notion about what I believe in and how I think things should work. i pointed it out not only for your benefit, but for those who may pass by this video in the future . So that I shed that label from who I really am.

[caltrop69]

I don't LIVE in the country of "America," though...That's what makes it so amusing.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to get over the label thing. Any time you want to redistribute wealth, you are espousing "collectivism." I don't mean it as a pejorative. It's just a description of the ideology.

Language requires labels. To deny the existence of labels is to deny the very tool you use to do the denying. Language requires "words" to describe "things." How about this word: "Newspeak?"

[EvolvedOutlaw]

And you'll have to get over the american label because the vast majority of your country and the rest of the world calls you that.

[caltrop69]

I understand that. I also pointed out, when I mentioned it, that it's not even a pet peeve. It's just something I find amusing. It's not something I really need to "get over." The United States is only one of the countries that comprise "America," but, somehow, we're the important ones who get the title "American." I think it's funny.

[PoppaBahr]

Newspeak?

Ok. Your worldview is doubleplus ungood.

[webo217]

I know. I am guilty of crimethink.

[PoppaBahr]

LOL. Me too.

[caltrop69]

I am also guilty of using my daughter's profile to respond.

[caltrop69]

I have no problem with people pooling their money. That's what voluntary health insurance is.

I DO have a problem with requiring it via government force.

The definition of taking someone's property against their wishes is "theft." If you'd prefer a euphemism, that's your right.

I'm so glad you have no hope for our healthcare reform. I don't want it. Hopefully your pessimism rubs off on your U.S. compatriots.

[RenegadeTimes]

Sure ok....smile lol

[EvolvedOutlaw]

brilliant answer...wouldn't you say?...oh that's right you already have. I see you have brought all the proper tools to this debate. well done. by the way, lol...is lame.

[RenegadeTimes]

Debate I can not do. It would be like talking to a pumpkin or some other vegetable. Believe what you will. No problem with that.

How about a name change of this channel. Pumpkin Punk ..nice ring to it.

[zotde75]

I sell t-shirts, you ignorant little turd!

[skyzefawlun]

This was exactly what I needed today! Thank you <3